NFL may find itself in a tough spot over the Kareem Hunt video

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The sudden emergence of a video from a February incident that previously received little attention raises an important question for the NFL, a question for which there may be no good answer.

What did the NFL know about the existence of the video that purportedly shows Chiefs running back Kareem Hunt shoving and kicking a woman at a Cleveland hotel?

If the league office, which surely knew about the incident, knew about the video and did nothing to Hunt, that could spark a firestorm of criticism. If the league office didn’t know about the video, there could still be a firestorm.

Much of the Ray Rice debate, as fueled to a fever pitch by an Associated Press report that the league had seen the video from inside a hotel elevator before it was published by TMZ, centered on whether the league should have taken steps to obtain the video, if the league had indeed not seen it. This time around, specific questions could be asked about why the NFL, with an in-house judicial process that supposedly investigates these matters independent of law enforcement, failed to secure (wait for it) surveillance video generated by cameras at a hotel.

Basically, the league either saw the video and did nothing (which isn’t good) or the league didn’t see the video because it failed to take steps to obtain it, thereby learning nothing from the Ray Rice fiasco (which isn’t good).

The question then becomes whether the NFL will try to downplay the incident, if for no reason other than to keep the story from developing to the point where questions about whether the league saw the video and/or whether the league should have seen the video are asked.

64 responses to “NFL may find itself in a tough spot over the Kareem Hunt video

  1. The NFL can’t officate itself OR the game….It starts at the TOP…so that’s the owners. A bunch of 2nd generation greddy men and woman who are living off the tema their fathers built.

  2. The NFL says they are firm against this type of abuse. Let’s see what they do now that the tape is out in public. 6 games minimum, but if Ray Rice got a life sentence, what is different here? Also Josh Brown (no tape but his writing to his doctor) got him banned for life as well.

  3. Of course the league didn’t know about the video. Knowing about it would be a problem for them therefore they didn’t know about it. You can take that to the bank.

  4. If they suspended Elliot for 6 games for what they thought he did then Hunt getting anything less then a year suspension will prove once again that Goodell and the NFL are as fair and objective as a WWE referee .

  5. The NFL built this problem for itself by trying to be the police and courts for its players. Letting the legal system handle it and then making decisions based on its findings would have been the best solution, but the NFL’s too busy virtue signaling and now every time this happens, it has to deal with people who accuse it of being too lax and also people who accuse it of being too harsh and acting without evidence. So what does the NFL do? Nothing? No, they just do what they feel is most popular at the time.

  6. Hunt was in the wrong here no doubt but this is light years different than the Ray Rice incident. That said, I have to believe he’s going to get 4-6 game suspension. The NFL better act quick or its going to blow up in their face again.

  7. If the police had the tape in February how could the league not.

    Can’t see him getting put on the exempt list without being charged.

    If anything, this will drag out and become a zeke situation since unlike Josh Brown or Ray Rice, Zeke wasn’t charged either, so a thorough investigation needs to be done AGAIN since they already looked into the incident and did nothing in February and did nothing again in June with the punching incident.

  8. I believe the NFL seen the video and since there was no criminal charges and the case was still pending they didn’t act. The video doesn’t look good, however I find it real peculiar that the video surfaced now.

  9. mfsawedoff says:
    November 30, 2018 at 4:08 pm
    If the police had the tape in February how could the league not.

    Can’t see him getting put on the exempt list without being charged.

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    All depends if they had seen the video before or not. If they did, then the decision that was already made will stand and the NFL will take some heat for not releasing or discussing the video. If they somehow haven’t seen it, then I think he will be put on the exempt list. He doesn’t have to be charged.

  10. Well of course Goodell knew of the tape. But he is too busy playing his favorites (see Giants, re: Eli) to concern himself with this mess. The way the NFL handles things with the players is garbage – like what they did with Zeke.

  11. Rest of the year off without pay, next season 10 game suspension and 2,000,000 million fine against the Chiefs for hiding it and 1 million from him.

  12. Aww c’mon, the league only had nine months to acknowledge and react to the existence of this video.

  13. I’ve been of the opinion for some time that Goodell does as he pleases, with just a few constraints. He has to keep the owners reasonably happy, some more than others. And he has to gauge the tolerance of the consumers, along with to what extent their attitude can be managed. So it often looks like he and his office are capricious.

  14. Goodell needs to go. The league, under his watch, has shown repeated favoritism to certain teams up to and including disciplinary decisions. Goodell went after Zeke like he was a criminal with no evidence but takes no action with this incident? He needs to go.

  15. NFL has no consistency on this issue… it anyone knew what they were doing running this League, should be as simple as, something like, 1st offence, 1 year suspension, 2nd offence, kicked out of League indefinitely, period! (that would be a conviction(‘s) by Law.

  16. The NFL needs to start by suspending him for the rest of this season and then go from there. If he plays another down this year, it’ll be just another PR fiasco for the league/Goodell.

  17. sportoficionado says:
    November 30, 2018 at 4:41 pm
    Goodell needs to go. The league, under his watch, has shown repeated favoritism to certain teams up to and including disciplinary decisions. Goodell went after Zeke like he was a criminal with no evidence but takes no action with this incident? He needs to go.

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    The reason Goodell won’t be going anywhere is $$$. He’s making the owners very rich. Last years ratings were a slip, but he’s back on track now.

  18. 6 games… right after they get knocked out of the playoffs or next season if they make it to the Superbowl.

    “We just became aware of this and are starting an internal investigation. We will take the appropriate action once it has been concluded.” (Or you people forget about it.)

  19. Glenn forbes says:
    November 30, 2018 at 5:00 pm
    6 games… right after they get knocked out of the playoffs or next season if they make it to the Superbowl.

    “We just became aware of this and are starting an internal investigation. We will take the appropriate action once it has been concluded.” (Or you people forget about it.)

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    If Goodell and the NFL were truly serious about sending a strong message regarding domestic violence, they would not concern themselves with how a suspension impacts games/playoffs/etc. They would simply suspend an individual at the point they believe they have the proper evidence to do so. If they never have such evidence, then they should do nothing at all

  20. What’s on the video is very bad. Hunt needs to be suspended right away or at the least have his playing privileges taken away immediately until their “investigation” is complete.

    There should be no delay in doing this…

  21. I’m a retired detective with 1000 plus arrests.

    From a quick glance, you can’t tell it’s Hunt that pushed the guy into the girl. Maybe you can, I just saw it once. Color of a sweatshirt, regardless that no one else was wearing that color, will not hold up in court. Need a clear I.D. It was an Assault3 arrest (misd). But you need more. The girl and the guy probably refused to say it was him (the guy was a friend, the girl…who knows).

    Also, she was quite aggressive. Whether she was a groupie, wannabee or whatever is not relevant. She had an opportunity to leave and she did not. She became more aggressive.

    The BIGGEST issue is the little kick he gave to a woman on the ground. That is a simple assault (violation, not a crime) and has to be witnessed by law enforcement or it can be issued if the person falls into the ‘Family’ category (mother, G/F, brother, cousin, etc). FWIW: Really lame to kick a girl on the ground even if it was just a ‘minor’ kick.

    As far as the NFL. Yes, BIG drop of the ball. Same goes for the Chiefs.

    As far as no arrests: I high profile cases, you let the district attorney decide. I arrested someone way more famous than Hunt and I didn’t wait for the DA but a gun was involved (which I recovered). Had there been no gun, then I would have gone to the DA and said ‘the ball is in your court’ or I would have called our legal dept. and run it by them. Arresting famous people is a PIA.

  22. They have the recipe for this….get Ted Wells on the phone, tell him how you want the investigation to go and pay him big money to make it happen.

    Easy Schmeezy

  23. What they could do, if Ted W is not available…Roger gets out the dart board, has Vincent blindfold him and then just throw a few to see what the punishment is.

  24. The Patriots obtained and then released the video! Those cheaters will stop at nothing. Just kidding, but they get blamed for everything else!

  25. So like with other star players…a 6 game suspension…which will go to appeal…and be enforced at the beginning of next year’s season allowing the Chiefs to complete their run…

  26. Supposedly this incident happened before Hunt was drafted but the video out but not released so the Chiefs possibly knew it existed, with that said how is this going to be reported in the media ? will they bash the Chief front office for drafting a woman beater (alleged) like they resent reporting targeted at the redskins for signing a guy on waivers?

  27. Do we seriously believe that TMZ is getting this video BEFORE the people in the NFL offices?

    Ray Rice case had a video and they dropped the ball. Then Zeke got 6 games with little evidence. I guess they have gone back to dropping the ball.

  28. Would you have waited this long, Roger, if this was your daughter, wife, family member or friend? Probably not pond scum…..

  29. My issue is, that I assume the police and/or district attorney have seen this video…..AND DONE NOTHING! Yet a pro sports league (or any employer for that matter) is supposed to have a greater responsibility to deal with these scumbags?

  30. arrowhead816 says:
    November 30, 2018 at 4:12 pm
    I believe the NFL seen the video and since there was no criminal charges and the case was still pending they didn’t act. The video doesn’t look good, however I find it real peculiar that the video surfaced now.

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    Thats always been something that has bugged me. Someone does or is accused of doing something wrong, and no excusing the allegd act. But still someone else decides to just sit on it and hold it until a ‘more useful’ time to spring it. This is not limited to sports, whether or not folks think Kavenaugh was guilty it was still obscene how Feinstein sat on the accusation to time when it got raised in order to manipulate a process. And in this case I think someone is manipulating a season. KC is devinately a player for the crown so now late season is a good time to torpedo one of their players. Thats a buul thing to do. This should have come up and been addressed months ago. I am not excusing any of the alleged acts, if any are real there should be accountability, but that accountability should be immediate. It should not be held up until such time as it can be used to serve some other agenda.

  31. And Bill James is absolutely right – players are replaceable.

    Kareem Hunt will disappear from public view, and another star will inevitable rise in his place and cheered by adoring fans.

  32. As for question why NFL hasn’t seen the video, do they actually have any powers to compel the hotel to share the video? No?

    I’m assuming TMZ paid a pretty penny to get exclusive rights (ie paid a security guard to duplicate the hotel surviellance) – something a real business might not want to do.

  33. All this talk of dropping the ball. It’s almost like the league office doesn’t know what a catch really is…

  34. All of you are far more upset with Goodell and/or the NFL than you are with a player who beat a woman.
    Last I checked, the NFL is not present in that video…Kareem Hunt is and h’s beating a woman.
    Your ability to determine the perp is completely out of whack.
    I am absolutely disappointed in the PFT readers.
    If there was video of Goodell beating a woman, I must assume that y’all would be more upset with Kareem Hunt, De Smith, or Mike Florio than you would would be with Goodell.
    Your logic makes no sense whatsoever.

  35. The NFL says they are firm against this type of abuse. Let’s see what they do now that the tape is out in public. 6 games minimum, but if Ray Rice got a life sentence, what is different here? Also Josh Brown (no tape but his writing to his doctor) got him banned for life as well.
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    Nitpicking, but Josh Brown was originally suspended for 1 game in 2016 by the league (the Giants also signed him to a new contract prior to that season.) It was only after more details from Brown’s domestic violence incidents came out that the Giants decided to release him. As a 37 year old kicker with domestic violence issues, no other team signed Brown. In an entirely meaningless gesture, the league imposed a 6 game suspension on Brown in 2017.

  36. Maybe the NFL should stay out of these things unless the police are involved and charges filed. Probably a lot of people on this site will tell me that’s awful, but if they had a clear policy instead of vague feelings dictating how they handle things, it’d make their life much easier…It’s not a comment on player’s behavior, just a thought on how the league handles it

  37. The issue is that whenever a player beats a woman, commits a crime, etc, the media immediately reacts by speculating on what the NFL will do to discipline the player. This amounts to an attack on the NFL brand so the NFL must react to show that it is tough on player crime, when players beat women, etc in an effort to protect their brand.
    The NFLPA claims the player is innocent, regardless of the evidence, and attacks the NFL with lawsuits and legal maneuvers to allow the player to continue collecting a paycheck.
    The player, when asked by the media, simply says “talk to my agent, attorney, or the NFLPA”. Thereby getting away with zero negative press against the player himself.
    The best course of action is a zero tolerance policy.
    If a player does anything that puts the NFL or his team in a negative light, then he should be suspended posthaste without pay. This would be separate from any law enforcement action.
    The NFL has a right to protect its brand against the actions of idiot players.
    The media seems to respect the “rights” of the players to commit crimes but somehow think that the NFL has no right to discipline players or defend itself.

  38. The NFL knew of it’s existence and could feasibly have leaked it themselves in order to halt the Chiefs momentum so that the AFC race for home field advantages during the playoffs gets more interesting. Look at the TV markets and think about the advertising dollars you receive from games with teams having better ratings appeal during the playoffs. New England and Pittsburgh equal advertising home runs, so the narrative is better including them in the Super Bowl instead of Kansas City. This is probably just a business decision. Nothing else makes sense as to why Hunt hasn’t been punished since February, and it’s not like anything that’s used in his defense could stop him from being punished by the League. There’s just too much outside pressure to do something about it.

  39. If we find out the league office watched the video back when this happened, there will need to be some resignations. Goodell is the first name that comes to mind.

  40. He wasn’t arrested. I trust the police did their job. However Hunt’s actions were very terrible even if she was a drunken, bimbo who dropped an N bomb on him. He should of just left, after all look what he has to lose now. NFL could of dug deep when the incident occurred and after viewing the tape suspended him 6 games immediately for conduct unbecoming and detrimental to the Shield. Case closed. The police did their job and the NFL theirs. But no, now this mess. Unreal.

  41. I sure would like to see the person responsible for SELLING this video to TMZ. No respect for them either. Quite sure their intention was to harm the NFL, Chiefs, and Hunt and get paid as well. Sick of TMZ. The people who watch their show and spend time on their site are of the same mentality of those who actually care about the Kardashians.

  42. How does Zeke get 6 and goodell takes it almost to the highest court with nothing. Crazy logic.

  43. It may seem like nothing, but this is crap. If she was drunk, ignore her. The push sent her face into the corner of that wall. shes a 19 year old girl and you are a NFL star. Show some restraint knucklehead. You should know better. The league educates you on how to avoid this and you had every opportunity to let yourncrew handle it. thats a shame.

  44. Ray Rice video and this one are only similar because they are non self defense assaults. (Which would be acceptable). But the Ray rice video is exponetially worse. Not even close.

  45. There is a video of Hunt doing exactly what has been alleged. No need to investigate any further than that. What should be done? I have no idea, as the NFL is all.over the place when it comes to player discipline. One guy could get a fine, another a game, another 4 games, another a season. And all for the same thing.

  46. tylawspick6 says:
    November 30, 2018 at 4:33 pm
    Ratings to collapse…..Jobs to be lost even if the NFL continues to lie about ratings.

    The fans have had enough.
    _________________________________
    So logoff, quit watching, and quit posting you drivel here!

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