Chiefs take a different approach with Kareem Hunt than with Tyreek Hill

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After the Chiefs announced that they were releasing Kareem Hunt on Friday night, hours after video surfaced of Hunt pushing and kicking a woman in February, some may be tempted to credit the team for showing no tolerance for violence against women. But the Chiefs are also the team that drafted Tyreek Hill.

Hill, the star receiver and returner whom the Chiefs drafted in 2016, was off most teams’ draft boards because of a 2014 domestic violence case.

The details of that case are extremely disturbing. Hill’s pregnant girlfriend, Crystal Espinal, told police Hill grabbed her by the neck, pinned her against a wall, threw her to the ground, picked her up by her hair, put her in a headlock, then sat on top of her, punching her in the stomach.

Hill was immediately kicked off the football team at Oklahoma State. He later pleaded guilty to domestic assault and battery by strangulation and was sentenced to three years of probation. He was still on probation when the Chiefs drafted him. If the Chiefs feel so strongly about violence against women that they won’t tolerate Hunt, why were they willing to draft Hill, when Oklahoma State and most NFL teams had decided he wasn’t someone they would associate with?

A major difference between the two is that Hunt was caught on tape, and Hill was not. If a video existed of Hill attacking a pregnant woman, would his football career have ended before he ever got to the NFL? That is entirely possible. As the Ray Rice case showed, video makes things different.

But there are other differences between Hunt and Hill. One is that Hunt’s victim wanted to press charges and was blown off by police, while Hill did face charges, pleaded guilty, served his probation, and was forgiven by his victim. Hill told reporters two months ago that he and Espinal now live together, with their 3-year-old son, in Kansas City, and that they are engaged to be married.

Hill seems to have made the most of the second chance he was given. Hunt, because he’s a good, young player, will likely get a second chance as well. From one of the NFL’s 31 other teams, if not from the Chiefs.

64 responses to “Chiefs take a different approach with Kareem Hunt than with Tyreek Hill

  1. Wow it’s sad too see such young men piss away an opportunity of a lifetime. It’s true you don’t know what you have till it’s gone just stupid. These guys need to get educations in college before they should be drafted on another note

  2. That’s because Hunt lied to them. I just hope some judgemental people don’t have anything in their past

  3. Hills case, which as you stated was proven and he plead guilty to, is one of the more disturbing domestic abuse cases I’ve read about an NFL player. It’s sickening he was drafted. What’s more sad is this abused woman is obviously still caught up in all the hype and money of an NFL player and living that style of life over her own health and safety. Her parents must be really proud. 🙄

  4. Major difference between the two was that Tyreke Hill, admitted his wrong doing, went to counseling, countinued counseling after being drafted and has been a solid citizen since.
    Hunt, LIED to the Chiefs about the issue MULTIPLE times.
    The Chiefs probably would have suspended him, but made him go to counseling and assigned a mentor. The Chiefs are willing to give 2nd chances to players, but NOT if the player is going to lie to them about the facts, and deny anything happened

  5. Are we sure the Chiefs care about violence against women? Their statement about releasing Hunt didn’t include a word about that. Maybe it’s cool so long as you don’t like about it.

  6. Our excellent PR mitigation team only needs to resort to “zero tolerance” if a video emerges…

    But you want to know why Chiefs and NFL did this to Hunt now? Because it’s going to come out they knew a lot sooner about the video, and the nuclear option was for damage limitation ASAP.

  7. Not to downplay what Hunt or Hill did, but do you really need proof now adays?

    Based on our culture today, it seems like an accusation is enough……..

  8. From the Chiefs’ statement referring to their internal discussions with Hunt. “…Kareem was not truthful in those discussions. The video released today confirms that fact.”

    Think about how much money, time and energy the NFL spent investigating and then litigating deflate-gate. Why? Because it was important to the league to not cede anything [Commissioner’s discipline authority] to the players, especially something they could bargain away later.

    Now compare that to the effort they made to secure hotel video in this case and the Rice case. Does anyone else see what’s really important to the league? SMH

  9. Woman was outside his room raising heck. Woman knew security camera was right there. Woman clearly is aggressive with Hunt, who asked her to leave. Afterwards she runs to Cops and demands they look at video.
    Something just doesnt sound right. Why were the police ignoring her? Has she done something like this before and is known? How come nobody is looking into just who this female is and why was she there???

  10. The Giants would have said they have zero tolerance for domestic violence, and then given him a contract extension.

  11. What kind of animal punches a pregnant woman in the stomach?

    If he couldn’t run fast, would the Chiefs do the right thing and shake this monster out of their organization? Just wait for the backlash once America finds out more about this horrible crime against a defenseless pregnant woman.

  12. Hunt committed his crime AS a member of the Chiefs. Hill wasn’t drafted yet, so was probably told to shape up and keep his nose clean.

    Big difference to most organizations that your behaviour changes once you’re part of their firm.

  13. I agreed with both your points. Hunts case has a video, Hills was not. If a video of Hills case appeared now he will be all done. Nothing he has done since will save him. The team and NFL will push him away and make their press releases. The video makes that big a difference.

    The second point you made that Hill was charged but Hunt was not is also correct. But also I was not sure why it has bearing, what it says is that the NFL is responsible for second guessing law enforcement and handing out penalties they dont. I think in this case (because the video has affected my thinking) law enforcement got it wrong and could use a second guessing. But I still dont see how the NFL should be in that role. Its the sort of thing thats going to backfire, arguably it already has a time ir two.

  14. Now if Andy could only take a different approach to running the clock…

    Send him to clock school.

    Seriously though, I wonder how this disruption will affect the team chemistry.

  15. And Zeke Elliot was suspended 6 games for nothing for an incident that didn’t happen at Ohio State…

  16. I would imagine that the Bengals will pursue him: he can play alongside Mixon, who punched a woman (on video) and broke 5 bones in her face. He was then allowed to complete his college at OU, and plays for the Bengals.

  17. Being on tape absolutely DETERMINED to harm that woman is the disturbing part of the video. He had plenty of time to calm down and go back to his room as his friends repeatedly tried to hold him back. He wasn’t going to be satisfied until he harmed her. The other factor also being that he lied about it.
    Tyreek Hill is a scum bag as well but the fact there is no video and he pleaded guilty to the crime is why he is in the league.

  18. The teams in the league (and therefore the LEAGUE) don’t really care what their fanbase thinks. They know as long as they win, all will be forgotten and forgiven. The first time Greg Hardy came off suspension and sacked Tom Brady, the fans roared. The first time Joe Mixon scored for the Bengals, the fans roared. The first time Foster sacks the QB or picks off a pass, the fans will roar. Teams know that their fans will forgive and forget if the player produces. We claim that we’re disgusted, but we’re really just cheering for the laundry. As long as the players are wearing our jersey, we’ll get past our righteous indignation. The teams know it. That’s the truth.

  19. ispeakthetruth4 says:
    December 1, 2018 at 7:21 am
    That’s because Hunt lied to them. I just hope some judgemental people don’t have anything in their past

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    nope i definitely, in the past, have never done anything as horrific as pleading guilty to a court to punching my pregnant girlfriend in her stomach and face and strangling her. how can you even try to justify hills actions by calling people that are sickened by it judgmental? what is wrong with people?

  20. He finds 2 women in his room and Hunt asks them to leave. Yes he should had called hotel security but decides to shove her away instead. She gets combative and PUNCHES him in the lip folks. Clear as day on the video.

  21. sob617 says: “Now compare that to the effort they made to secure hotel video in this case and the Rice case. Does anyone else see what’s really important to the league?”
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    According to ESPN, “Sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter that neither the NFL nor the Chiefs had viewed the video before it became public Friday. The league made multiple attempts to obtain it. The hotel told NFL representatives that it was corporate policy to turn video over only to law enforcement and therefore could not provide it to the league.

    The NFL also contacted the Cleveland Police Department, which did not provide the league any video. Even though no charges were filed by law enforcement, the NFL continued its investigation, which included contacting the victims of the alleged incident, but they did not respond to multiple messages.”
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    Please tell me what other LEGAL means does the league have in trying to obtain the video? Do you seriously believe a large corporation would try to bribe a low-level hotel security guard to make a copy of the video like TMZ did?

  22. chiefs attempting to cover their own butts by blaming Hunt for lying now that the video is public. They probably figured this thing would go away with no video and weren’t to interested in a real investigation. As for Hunt…he’s getting what he deserves. Hopefully the women will learn from this too. They’ve got nothing to be to proud of either.

  23. akira1971 says:
    December 1, 2018 at 8:49 am
    sob617 says: “Now compare that to the effort they made to secure hotel video in this case and the Rice case. Does anyone else see what’s really important to the league?”
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    According to ESPN, “Sources told ESPN’s Adam Schefter that neither the NFL nor the Chiefs had viewed the video before it became public Friday. The league made multiple attempts to obtain it. The hotel told NFL representatives that it was corporate policy to turn video over only to law enforcement and therefore could not provide it to the league.

    The NFL also contacted the Cleveland Police Department, which did not provide the league any video. Even though no charges were filed by law enforcement, the NFL continued its investigation, which included contacting the victims of the alleged incident, but they did not respond to multiple messages.”
    ==============================

    Please tell me what other LEGAL means does the league have in trying to obtain the video? Do you seriously believe a large corporation would try to bribe a low-level hotel security guard to make a copy of the video like TMZ did?

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    If it suited their ends then yes, they would do it in a heartbeat.

  24. When I heard about Hunt, I immediately thought of Tyreek Hill. What Hill did was far worse, he just doesn’t have a viral video circulating so he gets off easy. Chiefs are coming off as incredibly hypocritical and insincere here.

  25. It continues to astound me that these young football players can be so stupid as to throw away the chance of a lifetime–to be successful, to make lots of money, to be well known, etc. We continue to see NFL players beat women, beat children (in Adrian Peterson’s case, anyway), get involved with drugs (which is REALLY stupid, because they get tested for that stuff), and so on. They are elite athletes who have the opportunity to really make something meaningful of their lives, but instead they choose to behave like criminals and lowlife dirtbags. I don’t care how you were raised, where you came from, or what color your skin may be, but you are an absolute fool if you don’t keep your nose clean and stay away from trouble when you play in the NFL. You can make tons of money and be set for life, but only if you make smart decisions. Beating up women is about the most stupid thing that any high profile person can do, especially with the rise of the Me Too movement. Smarten up, NFL–people like Ray Rice, Kareem Hunt, and others who pull this garbage need to be told that such things will not be tolerated by the league. Ever. If they go there, they will immediately be kicked out of the NFL and will not be allowed to return.

  26. Trump is the G.O.A.T says:

    Woman was outside his room raising heck. Woman knew security camera was right there. Woman clearly is aggressive with Hunt, who asked her to leave. Afterwards she runs to Cops and demands they look at video.
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    It doesn’t matter. He made the mistake of falling for it. He did what he did. We all can see it.

  27. Batman says:
    December 1, 2018 at 7:43 am
    I agreed with both your points. Hunts case has a video, Hills was not. If a video of Hills case appeared now he will be all done. Nothing he has done since will save him. The team and NFL will push him away and make their press releases. The video makes that big a difference.
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    BS. Everyone knows exactly what Hill did, and what he has done to change his life since then. A video won’t change anything.

  28. Trump is the G.O.A.T says:
    December 1, 2018 at 7:31 am
    Woman was outside his room raising heck. Woman knew security camera was right there. Woman clearly is aggressive with Hunt, who asked her to leave. Afterwards she runs to Cops and demands they look at video.
    Something just doesnt sound right. Why were the police ignoring her? Has she done something like this before and is known? How come nobody is looking into just who this female is and why was she there???

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    Okay, so first we don’t know they were outside Hunt’s room, could have been anyone’s room. Or did Hunt say there were outside his room? Sure, he’s a reliable source 🙄
    So if she knew cameras were there, he likely did too, so he was dumb enough to assault her anyways.
    Judging by the video, I HIGHLY doubt Hunt simply “asked her to leave”. They both were quite aggressive, not just her, though he could (and briefly did) have left the situation (and again, was dumb enough to come back into camera view)
    Okay why were the police ignoring her? Maybe Because Hunt is a famous football player? Maybe there was something in it for them to ignore things?

    Your points are terrible. Try again.

  29. Wow, what an overreaction this is. This has to be the least a star player has ever done to lose his job. No one is going to confuse this with the Rice or Mixon video.

  30. Two men are/were accused of the same offense. One man lied and tried to cover his tracks. The other stood up, said “I did it” and took steps to prevent it happening again. If it indeed never happens again, the man that said “I did it” at least has a chance to earn back some of the respect he lost. The man that lied and tried to mealy-mouth his bad behavior away has no chance whatsoever.

  31. akira1971 says:
    December 1, 2018 at 8:49 am

    Please tell me what other LEGAL means does the league have in trying to obtain the video? Do you seriously believe a large corporation would try to bribe a low-level hotel security guard to make a copy of the video like TMZ did?

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    Let’s assume the ESPN report is accurate and complete. Then shouldn’t the NFL, on the basis of ‘integrity’ and protecting the shield, change its approach?

    Something like: “The NFL abhors domestic violence and violence against any member of society. However, the league lacks the authority and capability to adequately investigate and assess alleged criminal activity by employees and players. Therefore, the NFL will rely on the work of law enforcement and the courts, which protects the due process rights of all parties, before determining whether to maintain or sever relationships with employees and players.”

    Or they could just ask TMZ.

  32. As reported by NBC26.com, your sister station:

    “Hunt discovered that two of the women were only about 19 years old, the report stated. The women were then asked to leave. The woman started yelling at Hunt and made some derogatory remarks to him, calling him the “N-word.”

    Security was called, and the 19-year-olds were escorted to the elevator. The report says the woman who was beating on the door returned to the hallway where Hunt’s room was located. She continued to yell and hit the door.

    Hunt asked another female to go out in the hall and talk with the irate woman to try and get her to leave. When the female went out in the hall to talk with the other woman, a fight broke out between the two.”

  33. spencerhsite says:
    December 1, 2018 at 8:25 am
    I would imagine that the Bengals will pursue him: he can play alongside Mixon, who punched a woman (on video) and broke 5 bones in her face. He was then allowed to complete his college at OU, and plays for the Bengals.
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    Mixon was 18 years old,Was suspended for a year,Went to court served his punishment and settled with the victim who admitted to instigating it. Just like with Hill he was eligible to be drafted so he was.If you have a problem with that it`s a NFL problem for letting them be draft eligible but are you really such a perfect person you don`t believe people should ever get a 2nd chance from mistakes they make at 18 years old? While most never change some do and make the most of their 2nd chance and do a lot for others trying to make amends for their past mistakes. Giving people those chances doesn`t make you a bad person/team. If the worst thing you ever did in your life was caught on tape for the world to see you would probably be more open minded.

  34. mmack66 says:
    December 1, 2018 at 9:44 am
    Batman says:
    December 1, 2018 at 7:43 am
    I agreed with both your points. Hunts case has a video, Hills was not. If a video of Hills case appeared now he will be all done. Nothing he has done since will save him. The team and NFL will push him away and make their press releases. The video makes that big a difference.
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    BS. Everyone knows exactly what Hill did, and what he has done to change his life since then. A video won’t change anything.

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    It will change everything. One has to be delusional if they think everyone will shrug off a video with a ‘he paid his price’ dismissal. He will get convicted and reconvicted in the court of public opinion. The mediaboth professional and social will see to that. And the NFL is completely beholden to the court of public opinion. One should never underestimate just how important the NFL thinks public opinion is.

  35. Love the comments from Chiefs’ fans…

    “It’s not beating up women that’s the problem, it’s lying about it.”

    Really?

    Hill punched his pregnant girlfriend repeatedly in the stomach while holding her down, but gosh, he admitted it so who cares?

    Disgusting franchise.

  36. Typical NFL 10 months before something is forced to be done, Yet in the entertainment word of Hollywood, something against a women, ones loses jobs forced to resign, action is now once surfaced, The League office wants to clean up football by continues to allow actions with out even looking into situation as even the jag players in London nothing as been said or done by the NFL. No accountability at in in the NFL

  37. Listen enough of patting KC on the back like all these talking heads. All 32 teams put a premium on talent that can help on the field. Each will look away if that talent is a difference maker. Video is everything but only makes those turning a blind eye having to admit eyes are wide now for all too see.

  38. JohnC44, Its the NFL. Yeah, sure he might deserve a second chance to work at a grocery store and not in jail, but doesn’t mean he deserves a second chance to play Professional Football.

  39. Chiefs are hypocrites…they always talk about “character” and then lower the bar. Action will always speak louder than words. Lets get to the real fact. If there was a video of Tyreke Hill beating up his girlfriend, and there was no video of Hunt, Hunt would still be on the Chiefs, and Hill would not be. At least Oklahoma State got it right on day one, they didn’t have to wait for a video.

  40. Hill’s case was sp much different. He pled guilty, did his time. Was honest, faced the music, got the therapy, rehab and anger management he needed, learned from his mistake and moved on. Hunt lied to his front office about what happened. So instead of coming out and admitting it and starting the healing process (therapy, anger management), his front office was telling everyone and the league that they believe Hunt’s story, they got his back, he’s our guy. But then the video drops, and Clark Hunt and Coach Reid look and feel like fools because Hunt didn’t trust them enough to tell the truth. And THAT’S the difference! That’s why Hill has a job and Hunt does not.

  41. starfan79 says:
    December 1, 2018 at 8:17 am
    “And Zeke Elliot was suspended 6 games for nothing for an incident that didn’t happen at Ohio State…”

    27 48 Rate This

    Either you’re a Cowboys, Buckeyes, or Elliot fan, or you were there when it happened. That’s the only way you can make a statement like that. Were you there when it happened?

  42. They cut him for lying, not for assaulting the woman. They don’t care about the DV, they DO care about being lied to.

  43. Hmmm…except there is a video of Joe Mixon punching a girl in the face, and he still got drafted in the 2nd round and is still playing.

  44. Utchief, don’t be a complete douche. Mixon was charged, suspended from the OU program for a year, served his punishment, did all that the football program required and has been a model citizen from that point on. If you’re going to ruin an 18 year old kid for a mistake, (granted it was severe) then I feel sorry for your kids if you ever have any.

  45. That woman wasn’t attacked. Looks to me like she was initiating the conflict. And what was she saying to him? I read she was saying the N-word. He could have really hurt her if he wanted to. She knew what she was doing and she knew at the end of the day no matter what she would be the victim and he’d be the angry black guy. He’s a young black male that has to deal with constant institutionalized set ups. You have to be smart and survive the system but Eventually anybody would pop.

  46. Equal rights you strike the man expect to defend yourself. No one is accusing Hunt of being smart. He’ll be wearing a Raider uniform and cast Revenge against Kansas City. Only in Hollywood girls

  47. SWFLPC.INC says:
    December 1, 2018 at 9:24 am
    Other than in self-defense, there is absolutely no reason for a man to strike another person. None
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    Fixed it for you.

  48. itooamamerica says:
    December 1, 2018 at 11:50 am
    JohnC44, Its the NFL. Yeah, sure he might deserve a second chance to work at a grocery store and not in jail, but doesn’t mean he deserves a second chance to play Professional Football
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    Why not? That is what he`s good at and if a team has a need/job opening and he has been punished and they think he deserves a 2nd chance why would that video prevent any future employment? Like you said “it`s the NFL” it never has been nor ever will be a sport played by choir boys. He deserves getting cut and he may deserve a 2nd chance depending on what he does next.Things are as black and white as everyone wants them to be.

  49. strokenya says:
    December 1, 2018 at 1:41 pm
    That woman wasn’t attacked. Looks to me like she was initiating the conflict. And what was she saying to him? I read she was saying the N-word. He could have really hurt her if he wanted to. She knew what she was doing and she knew at the end of the day no matter what she would be the victim and he’d be the angry black guy. He’s a young black male that has to deal with constant institutionalized set ups. You have to be smart and survive the system but Eventually anybody would pop.
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    Why was staying in the room and calling hotel security or the police not an option?
    If he had done that he wouldn`t be “the angry black guy”. He is a black guy and he was angry. Did he have the right to be angry?Probably. Did he have the right to kick her? No

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