Packers join Browns in getting head start on coaching search

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On one hand, the Packers could have gone through the motions for the next four weeks, waiting to fire coach Mike McCarthy on the Sunday night or Monday morning after the season ends. On the other hand, the hand that was chosen, the Packers opted to remove the Band-Aid now, ending the relationship in the 13th week of McCarthy’s 13th year and commencing the process of looking for his successor.

And so the Packers join the Browns in getting a head start on their search for a new coach, a valuable tool when it comes to commencing the process of lining up potential candidates through the back channels.

If the job is filled, it would be a bad look for various Sunday Splash! reports to emerge regarding the candidates to whom the Packers privately have reached out. Now, the Packers can begin talking to people without worrying about the potential awkwardness that would come from increased rumors and reports and chatter about McCarthy possibly being out and someone else possibly being in.

And to the extent that the Browns are interested in McCarthy, they can commence the process of talking to him directly.

79 responses to “Packers join Browns in getting head start on coaching search

  1. The problem with the Packers wasn’t McCarthy – it was and remains Rodgers contract. No player in the salary cap era is worth 33.5 million. Brady plays for about half that and it affords the Patriots a lot of upgrades that Rodgers will never enjoy. McCarthy may not be Bellichick, but take a look at his record before and after that contract was signed. Did he get dumber? I don’t think so.

  2. Todd Roberts says:
    December 2, 2018 at 9:18 pm
    The problem with the Packers wasn’t McCarthy – it was and remains Rodgers contract. No player in the salary cap era is worth 33.5 million. Brady plays for about half that and it affords the Patriots a lot of upgrades that Rodgers will never enjoy

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    After Danny Amendola left the Pats and signed with Miami he said something to effect that “Everyone knows the Pats don’t pay anybody”. Wrong. The Pats rarely pay top dollar for specific players but for the most part EVERYBODY on the team does pretty good because the money is spread around.

  3. The big money in Rodgers contract isn’t due until March. That’s not the reason why they are playing poorly. They aren’t very good this year plain and simple. Coach had to go

  4. caboose12 says:
    December 2, 2018 at 9:31 pm
    The big money in Rodgers contract isn’t due until March.
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    Rodgers is only getting about $13 mil in March.

    He’ll have already collected around $67 mil by the end of this season.

    Yes. That’s over $80 mil in less than 12 months.

    Rodgers wanted big money, and he wanted as much as he could get right now.

    And the Packers gave it to him.

    Worst contract ever written (unless you are Aaron Rodgers).

  5. Don’t forget everyone………….it’s a business first, a sport second, and making friends never enters the picture. As a fan, I wish McMarthy the best, I appreciate his devotion and effort, but I was ready for him to go after the Seattle debacle.

    The Packers need help. Any new coach will be satisfied knowing the problems do not begin at the difficult-to-fill quarterback position. That base is covered.

    And why are all the Viking trolls here, giving their narrow-minded, fight-picking advice? Are all the guaranteed problems fixed on that team?

    Start there. How about calling out the Vikings as pretenders, which they are? Once again, the Packers provide a void and the Vikings shoot themselves in the foot, a “guaranteed” foot at that.

  6. I’ve always liked this arrogant, smug, and fat clown of a head coach.

    Now, with that said, the idiot who approved giving record money to a QB who cannot run a regular offense without getting free plays and who was injured is a complete idiot who needs to be fired.

    Then Erwin Wawgers needs to be set free so he can have time to do more stupid insurance commercials.

  7. caboose12 says:
    December 2, 2018 at 9:31 pm
    The big money in Rodgers contract isn’t due until March. That’s not the reason why they are playing poorly. They aren’t very good this year plain and simple. Coach had to go

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    Rodgers is $14 million heavier/year on the cap right now than he was when they were champs in 2010. That situation will indeed get worse, firing McCarthy isn’t gonna fix it.

  8. Kind of funny – all the QB’s with the big money – Ryan, Rogers, Carr, Garappalo, Stafford – not only are not going to the playoffs but are all playing poorly and have losing records -nobody has an excuse except Garapps.

  9. I think a lot of people would argue that McCarthy kept his job as long as it did because Aaron Rodgers was doing so well. Now that Rogers is not as good, McCarthy can no longer look as good.

  10. Stella says:

    How about calling out the Vikings as pretenders, which they are?
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    If the Vikings are pretenders, what does that make the Packers?

    The Packers are paying Rodgers almost as much money in year one of his new deal as Cousins will get over the full 3 year deal with the Vikings.

    Yet you continue to act like Cousins contract is bigger than Rodgers.

    Why is that?

  11. Funny how Packer fans saying that Rodgers’ big money isn’t due until March; but isn’t that a bad thing if the Packers are this bad and his big money hasn’t even kicked in yet?

  12. Rodgers is $14 million heavier/year on the cap right now than he was when they were champs in 2010. That situation will indeed get worse, firing McCarthy isn’t gonna fix it.

    Except the fact that the salary cap isn’t the same as it that year. So it’s a moot point. What’s not moot is the piss poor drafting over the years

  13. The offense sucks, Rodgers has even criticized it – so the solution is to make the OC the interim head coach? I guess Ms. Rice WAS unavailable…

  14. Please, please, please 8 lb 6 oz baby Jesus let Jeff Fisher get the Pack HC job!
    So I can laugh my a$$ off all next year.

  15. The other one getting the head start is McCarthy. There is nothing that prevents an NFL team from contacting him tonight, or at the very least start the process of seriously considering Mike for a HC hire. Being separated out from Black Monday may indeed work in his favor.

  16. It’s apples to oranges. Pats have a proven HOF coach. McCarthy is not. Patriots play in a bigger media market. Teams like Green Bay have to target specific free agents. Also have to over pay at times to lure a player.

    It’s also easier for a player to take less money. When he knows he’s going to be put in a position to succeed not only schematic wise by the coaching staff (Belicheck). But probably with the best chance of all teams in the league to win a Superbowl or play in one with guys that have proven it with multiple championships (Belicheck/ Brady).

    That being said the Patriots are obviously one of the best talent evaluators at finding guys in the draft. That are interchangeable and fit their scheme. They turn mid rounders into starters annually. Hence they rarely are big free agency spenders

    -not a Pats fan

  17. If the same people are drafting and signing players, it won’t matter who the next GB coach is.
    Add to that Rodgers has been made out to be Jesus Christ with a $100 million dollar ego.

    The house of cards is collapsing in GB. I predicted it after the choke job vs Seattle in the NFC championship game.
    I will bet King Aaron still rubs it in McCarthy and was a large part of the animosity between them.

  18. “If the same people are drafting and signing players, it won’t matter who the next GB coach is.”

    Green Bay’s draft this year has been regarded as an excellent one by every knowledgeable evaluator that I’ve heard or read.

  19. Wishing big mike well in his new endevor.
    It didn’t take long for the bandwagon to throw him under the bus & blind eye aaron from the gb woes.

  20. onebuffalove716 says:
    December 2, 2018 at 9:58 pm
    Rodgers is $14 million heavier/year on the cap right now than he was when they were champs in 2010. That situation will indeed get worse, firing McCarthy isn’t gonna fix it.

    Except the fact that the salary cap isn’t the same as it that year. So it’s a moot point. What’s not moot is the piss poor drafting over the years

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    The cap has gone up 50 pct since 2010, Rodgers hit against the cap has gone up 230 pct since 2010. It isn’t a moot point.

  21. Plenty of other coaches on the hot seat and Packers are just getting a head start in the search. New coaching system start ups don’t always go well…. Just ask the Raiders.

  22. Rodgers contract doesn’t have jack to do with this year. Poor management by Ted Thompson and uninspired, predictable coaching by McCarthy are the reason why Green Bay just isn’t a very good team right now.

  23. McCarthy’s certainly not Lombardi, or even Holmgren, but he’s a good coach who helped bring another title to Titletown (unfortunately, at the expense of my Steelers). And this seems a little sad. Agree with the comments about paying too much for one player at the expense of a balanced team, but will leave it to Pack fans to debate whether that’s the cause of their problems. The Keener Observer wins the thread with “Well, it would be so much simpler if we knew whether Marvin Lewis is gonna be available.” Brilliant.

  24. gustavejfrerotte says:
    December 2, 2018 at 11:04 pm
    Rodgers contract doesn’t have jack to do with this year. Poor management by Ted Thompson and uninspired, predictable coaching by McCarthy are the reason why Green Bay just isn’t a very good team right now.

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    Aaron’s predictable in his own right. He rarely audibles, and doesn’t throw into tight spots unless he has to. Doesn’t watch a ton of tape, and if he does he doesn’t work through it well with his receivers. He has offset a lot of this by barking his way into a lot of free plays and by having the best arm skill I think we’ve ever seen. But that doesn’t make him a great leader or forgive his inability or possible just unwillingness to really make that offense gel.

  25. packertruth says:
    December 2, 2018 at 10:11 pm
    gtodriver says:
    December 2, 2018 at 9:51 pm

    Yet you continue to act like Cousins contract is bigger than Rodgers.
    ++++++

    Is Diggs a beast or isn’t he?
    ____________

    Diggs is a beast and pro bowl WR but still isn’t putting up the numbers Thielen is. As far as QBs go, Cousins is NOT a franchise QB. He wasn’t out of college, he wasn’t in Washington or he would STILL be there.

    You wouldn’t LET the Washington fans warn you…. and now Cousins is doing what he has ALWAYS done RIGHT In front of your eyes. The best record opponent the Vikings have beat this year is the 5-6 Eagles.

    Keenum would have had Minnesota in about the same situation.

  26. stupid comments about the team being crap because of Rodgers contract. there have been several years where rodgers was getting paid less than overrated bums like Flacco and Ted Thompson would use all avenues to upgrade the team, now it is coming back to bite them. TT wasted prime years because he wouldnt go all in.

  27. Packers have a crummy offensive line and no weapons for Rodgers. That’s why McCarthy is toast. We’ve been watching this team slowly get worse every year for a while now. Rodgers is a great QB and should be on a better team.

  28. Todd Roberts says:
    December 2, 2018 at 9:18 pm
    The problem with the Packers wasn’t McCarthy – it was and remains Rodgers contract. No player in the salary cap era is worth 33.5 million. Brady plays for about half that and it affords the Patriots a lot of upgrades that Rodgers will never enjoy. McCarthy may not be Bellichick, but take a look at his record before and after that contract was signed. Did he get dumber? I don’t think so.
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    You do realize the Salary cap goes up every year to accommodate these larger contracts, right? This years Salary cap is $178M, contracts goes up with the times unlike our salaries.

  29. The Packers already have their next head coach under contract and his name is Aaron Rodgers. Why don’t they just go ahead and make it official?

  30. Neither McCarthy nor Rodgers is to blame. Some of the more inspiring players for the Pack were traded, waived, or heaped on the injury pile. The Pack is suffering from the same ailments as the Raiders, except the Raiders are sensible enough not to break the bank for players who have trade-value, such as Mack for a #1 and Cooper for a #1. Now, if the Pack would trade Rodgers for 2 or 3 future #1s they would be hitting the jackpot; with a new coach coming in and his ability to pick his own QB and a cheese wagon full of draft picks…

    Sounds too good to be true.

  31. Diva Rodgers has been using every opportunity to undermine his head coach in 2018. He finally got him fired after a brutal loss to the Cards at home.

  32. Leon Normand says:
    December 2, 2018 at 10:04 pm

    The offense sucks, Rodgers has even criticized it.
    ))))))))
    He didn’t take much blame for the offense sucking though. He made excuses like the ball stuck to his hand. He complained about the play calling even though he could change the plays if he wanted to. Not much accountability in gb.

  33. Todd Roberts says:
    December 2, 2018 at 11:37 pm
    gustavejfrerotte says:
    December 2, 2018 at 11:04 pm
    Rodgers contract doesn’t have jack to do with this year. Poor management by Ted Thompson and uninspired, predictable coaching by McCarthy are the reason why Green Bay just isn’t a very good team right now.
    ———————————-
    Aaron’s predictable in his own right. He rarely audibles, and doesn’t throw into tight spots unless he has to. Doesn’t watch a ton of tape, and if he does he doesn’t work through it well with his receivers. He has offset a lot of this by barking his way into a lot of free plays and by having the best arm skill I think we’ve ever seen. But that doesn’t make him a great leader or forgive his inability or possible just unwillingness to really make that offense gel.
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    So many wrong things here. One of the issues McCarthy had with Rodgers is that he changes plays so often. He throws into tight spots all of the time, and is one of the best at it- of course you wouldn’t do it unless you had to. As far as free plays, it doesn’t happen nearly as often as you think- maybe once every couple of games- and there are plenty of QB’s that do this. His success isn’t based on luck, free plays, and Hail Mary’s- people who say that do that only to denigrate his success or they clearly don’t know much about football and shouldn’t waste their time watching it. There are a lot of strange, unsupported assumptions here. I haven’t heard anyone say that he doesn’t watch tape or work through it with his receivers.

  34. We thank Mike McCarthy for his years here. He is a good man. No one stays head coach of a NFL team for 25 years anymore. It was time and inevitable. Mike will land a head coaching gig soon and some team will get a good leader and a quality man. Once a Packer always a Packer. Best of luck to you coach.

    Mark Murphy will speak with the media today at 1:45 p.m.

    I believe one reason this move was made in season rather than on black Monday is because Gutekunst has someone in mind for the job and wants to work on getting that person in place as soon as possible. Mark Murphy needs to and would be smart to give full control to Gute on who he wants to hire. It is imperative the head coach and GM’s relationship is strong from second one of the hire. Mark knows this. I’m very sure Mark Murphy will be asked at the presser today if Gute will be given full control on who he wants to hire as head coach.

    The new head coach will hire his own staff and I am hoping that Mike Pettine is somehow retained as DC. I don’t count on this, but I feel Pettine has this defense on the right trajectory and it would only help the new head coach to keep a solid established DC in place. We assume a more offensive minded head coach will be hired, but that is not a certainty either.

    Mark Murphy isn’t going to give a lot of information away today at the presser. I hope Gute also speaks today, that would make it much more informative.

    #100Seasons

    #TitleTown

    #OneTeamOneNation

    #PackersNation

  35. McCarthy will have a NFL head coaching job within 2 weeks, if any of the losing teams have any sense at all.

    He would be an improvement for the….
    Jets
    Browns
    Raiders
    49ers
    Broncos
    Cardinals
    Falcons
    Bills
    Phins
    And more….

  36. Oh great, the Packers are going to get a good new head coach and we are stuck with Zimm who is outcoached by every good coach in the NFL. Oh, and we stuck with a GM who thought overpaying a very average QB would solve all our problems and cover for the worst O-line in the NFL.

  37. Articles written and online today indicate that McCarthy had developed what I refer to as a Hitler complex. Rodgers for some period of time now has been sticking to the script. That explains the look on his face and the large amount of throwaways. Well McCarthy got it his way and how did that work out for him.

    It was time for a change a long time ago.

  38. Given the cross-breeding between the Packers front office and the Browns front office, is suspect there was some ‘wink wink’ going on. Both organizations will say there was nothing being talked about behind the scenes, but I would bet McCarthy is the next coach of the Browns.

  39. With the great Zim defense exposed for what it is and the team devolving after Keenum led them to the NFC title game last year, maybe it’s time for both Zimmer and Speilman to be on the hot seat.

  40. Said for two years that the Packers are a sub 500 team without Rodgers and a 500 team with Rodgers…looks like I over-estimatated Rodgers. I apologize. They really are Cleveland West and definitely not World Class.

  41. Rodgers is not winning games as he should given his salary, but his contract makes sense and isn’t the problem, the cap keeps rising. Paying has beens like Randall Cobb (not sure if he’s even still there), Graham, Marty Bennett last season, Clay Matthews, contracts like this are hurting the team. Letting go of guys like Casey Heyward and Micah Hyde in favor of inconsistent rookies is a problem.

  42. Alan Light says:
    December 3, 2018 at 10:26 am

    Said for two years that the Packers are a sub 500 team without Rodgers and a 500 team with Rodgers…looks like I over-estimatated Rodgers. I apologize. They really are Cleveland West and definitely not World Class.
    +++++

    Just curious what did you say about the Vikings with Cousins? Cuz they are soon to be .500

  43. It’s a sad day today. Even though it appears to be the right time for the Pack to move on, Mike McCarthy has always appeared to be the kind of man I could be friends with. Simple, blue collar, and accountable. I’m really hoping he goes to Cleveland and helps in the big turnaround that’s already underway over there. I believe he’d do wonders with their young QB.

    For the Pack, I wouldn’t mind Bruce Arians but I’m really hoping for a fresh young guy like Lincoln Riley (Oklahoma). I’d be good with Pettine staying on as DC, as his defense showed promise, despite all the injuries.

    For the immediate future, I believe the entire division is going to be looking up at Matt Nagy’s Bears.

  44. Which job is actually the better job? Browns or Packers? I’m not sure it’s that easy a choice anymore. Incredibly, both teams are 4-7-1 but the nucleus of young talent on the Browns may actually be better…

  45. McCarthy made the playoffs 9 out of 13 years, which equals 69%. If he decides to continue coaching, he will be hired before season ends.

  46. pmars64 says:
    December 3, 2018 at 2:25 pm
    Which job is actually the better job? Browns or Packers? I’m not sure it’s that easy a choice anymore. Incredibly, both teams are 4-7-1 but the nucleus of young talent on the Browns may actually be better…
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    Depends what you want, do you want a young nucleus you hope can continue to grow and develop of multiple top draft picks, and the “expectations” that go along with it, or do you want to work with a great QB, who has some young weapons and try to get the defense to compliment them by forcing turnovers?

  47. shaggytoodle says:
    December 3, 2018 at 3:08 pm
    Depends what you want, do you want a young nucleus you hope can continue to grow and develop of multiple top draft picks, and the “expectations” that go along with it, or do you want to work with a great QB, who has some young weapons and try to get the defense to compliment them by forcing turnovers?

    Dorsey’s 2018 draft for Cleveland looks to be just about as good as it can get. Mayfield, Ward, Chubb, Calloway, Avery… Two, maybe three potential superstars plus a couple of other really talented guys who are contributing significantly. How was the Green Bay draft with their new GM in comparison?

  48. pmars64 says:
    December 3, 2018 at 6:12 pm

    Dorsey’s 2018 draft for Cleveland looks to be just about as good as it can get. Mayfield, Ward, Chubb, Calloway, Avery… Two, maybe three potential superstars plus a couple of other really talented guys who are contributing significantly. How was the Green Bay draft with their new GM in comparison?
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    Alexander seems to be a promising young DB, I would argue him for ROY. Josh Jackson has had some decent games, and GB also drafted young very RAW WRs but have size and speed that teams covet there are just other concerns which caused them to fall in the draft, whether its good hands or off field issues I don’t know, but they could be very dangerous in the next season or two even though they aren’t contributing as much.

    I like Cleveland they have been my AFC team, when you have 2 of the first 4 picks, and 4 of the first 35 you should be able to add multiple dynamic players, they have and I am happy for them.

    Both jobs have pros and cons, if you have been a head coach and haven’t got to the SB maybe GB is a more appealing job, if its your first time trying it, you probably get a longer leash in Cleveland because its a young team.

    I would like to GB to go defensive minded HC, and if they INSIST on going Offensive minded I would like them to get Josh McDaniels.

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