Packers fire associate head coach/linebackers coach Winston Moss

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The Green Bay Packers have turfed another member of their coaching staff.

Associate head coach/linebackers coach Winston Moss was fired by the franchise on Tuesday.

“We thank Winston for his contributions to the Packers over the past 13 years,” interim head coach Joe Philbin said in a team release. “We hope for the best for Winston and his family moving forward.”

Winston was let go by the team after he issued a tweet earlier in the day about the type of person the Packers should hire as their next head coach.

“Ponder this… what Championship teams have are great leadership! Period! It’s not the offensive guru trend, it’s not the safe trend. Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a #LombardiStandard! Period! #losingsucks!”

Moss had been with fired head coach Mike McCarthy throughout his entire tenure as head coach in Green Bay. While there will likely be wholesale changes to the coaching staff upon the hiring of a new head coach this offseason, Moss’ immediate dismissal almost certainly had something to do with his earlier tweet implying Aaron Rodgers and everyone needed to be held to a higher standard. Moss intimated as much in a post saying he had been let go by adding a #thankstwitter to the end of his message.

It’s probably not the only reason the team made the move when they did, but it’s hard to believe it didn’t have at least something to do with Tuesday’s decision.

75 responses to “Packers fire associate head coach/linebackers coach Winston Moss

  1. This is also the team that won’t give press credentials to Bob McGinn because he likes to tell the truth. I am a Packer fan and I think this team has taken on the thin skin of its QB. Better get this next hire right or you will all be fired.

  2. Winston speaks the truth.

    The implosion in GB has begun.

    It starts with the 43-member Board of Directors, who are grossly inept. They and their spouses daintily pick out finger food and sip on wine in the Skyboxes of Lambeau while rubbing elbows with one another and reassuring themselves how wonderful and important they all are.

    Then there’s the Chief Ribbon Cutter, Mark Murphy. Without someone telling him what to do, he’d have trouble organizing a one-car funeral.

    Then, of course, there’s the diva himself, Aaron Rodgers. He’s the best thing since sliced bread. If you don’t believe it, just ask him. A leader he is not.

    And in the midst of all this rubbish are some wonderful people and great football players who deserve much better than the mess in GB created by this bunch of incompetents. As the Good Book says, “for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”

  3. Buh-bye when you dog the QB on social media. Kind of a high school move for an adult (a coach no less)

  4. Had the front office hold themselves to a higher standard? I doubt it, that’s why Erin is the way he is. Moss isn’t wrong, and the front office is clueless.

  5. Bill Parcels once quipped that if he was responsible for cooking the meal, he should have something to say about buying the groceries … same goes for Mike McCarthy. For years, the Packers continuously had one of the youngest rosters in the NFL. Why, because the bean counters continuously hired 6 or 7 non-drafted free agents – the lowest of the low on the pay scale, to fill out the roster.

    The Packers have been rather injury prone for years – which meant the backups were forced into action – like it or not … and we’ve seen the results year after year. Truthfully, the Packer brass has been more interested in buying up properties around Lambeau to build their year-around amusement park, than they have been in putting the best product on the field that money could buy. After all, the waiting list for season tickets is now well over 70,000 – so the crowd is gonna keep showing up no matter what. Having an aggressive owner like Jerry Jones ain’t all bad, folks.

    And now of course, it’s all about Mike McCarthy. BULL!!! In comparison to the Ron Wolf years, this season we’ve only really had one receiver, one running back, an aging offensive line – and a depleted defense. Could have drafted T.J. Watt two drafts ago, but instead we selected the Biegel kid who they cut this year, and King – the DB who’s spent most of his career injured. Could have drafted Davenport this past draft (the Saints got him) and at least tried to trade for Mack from Oakland. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

    And now at this point in his career, they’re really paying Rodgers for what he’s accomplished in the past – not what he’s now going to do at 35 years of age and older. He’ll now receive 33 million to participate in sixteen (16) one-hour contests each season. Basically, that means that after ever 15 minute regular season quarter – the Packers are cutting him a check for a tad bit over $500,000. Is he worth it at 35? I guess we’ll all have to tune in and see what the brass comes up with in the coaching department.

    And if we’re not happy with what we see – we can just go out onto the parking lot and slide down the slippery slide at the amusement park.

  6. As the associate head coach at the time of the head coach’s dismissal, it wouldn’t be surprising if he had some sour grapes over not being named the interim coach.

  7. He’s not afraid to speak the truth. Good for Winston. People need to stop worshipping Rodgers. He’s been awful this year.and last year. Rodgers is declining bigtime. nobody in GB has the guts to yell the truth and lay blame at Rodgers, or blame for this last place team and his decline in the past two years. McCarthy can’t put on pads and be the qb. That’s Rodgers job, and he’s doing a poor job of being the qb. Poor execution. Poor accuracy. Always looking for the 60 yard pass instead of taking the short pass or dumping it off to the rb to get the first down. I’ve seen that way to often on third and short with the someone underneath wide open, rb wide open. That’s Rodgers fault. Balls in the dirt, overthrows. That’s Rodgers fault. 80 million for one year! !! And misses the playoffs. Lol. Overrated. Overpaid.

  8. He did that on purpose, hoping it would get him fired. He knew he was gone anyway, and probably wants a head start on the job search. #thankstwitter. Lol.

  9. It’s funny that Lord Favre had issues with the management of the locker room and even higher up. He got the shaft & majority of the lemming bandwagon followed & blamed him for the problems.

    Yet, here’s aaron. In the present day. And if you say anything (I’m mean anything) to disparage or upset him, you’re gone. Even if aaron is playing a season of lawn darts instead of football, he has no accountability or repercussions from anybody.

    That, gb bandwagon fans, is another reason he’s a coddled diva.

  10. Many players have learned to stay OFF of social media during the season, shame some supposedly intelligent coaches never learned that. 😦 Thanks for your years of service, good luck in the future. #stayoffoftwitter #beseennotheard

  11. “Ponder this… what Championship teams have are great leadership! Period! It’s not the offensive guru trend, it’s not the safe trend. Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a #LombardiStandard! Period! #losingsucks!”

    Is this wrong?Rodgers has too much power in GB. The diva has let it go to his head, he is not the same guy. The packers and their fan base change QB’s. Favre changed under them and Rodgers has been worse.Rodgers got his coach fired, Favre never did that.Chmura even acknowledged Rodgers got him fired on the radio.And the packers organization fired the coach on Rodgers birthday.Now the packers fire a coach because he wants Rodgers held accountable like everyone else. The dysfunction runs deep in that organization.

  12. Coming from a guy who’s been on the coaching staff for 13 yrs…on the defensive side of the ball that’s been the majority of the issues with the Packers. The nerve!!

  13. Aaron got his feelings hurt by being called out by a coach, and now that coach is out of a job. I think that says pretty much everything important about Aaron Rogers.

  14. Well, it appears that speaking the truth is no longer allowed in Green Bay.

    Good new for Moss is – he gets all his money and gets to leave now.

  15. Winston Moss was not held accountable for his own performance as a coach.

    You can not be the Assistant Head Coach and then say “Coaches aren’t doing their job”. Hey Winston, you’re part of that group. You’re not doing your job.

    Don’t be surprised when you lose it then.

    Moss got Moss fired.

  16. I predict Aaron Rodgers is out of the league before his contract runs out, probably within 3 yrs at the most.

  17. Everyone knows Rodgers is a grade A + jerk. Not a leader in the least. McCarthy had his issues… but for me the bigger issue is having a selfish jerk like Rodgers as the top dog in the organization. No one wants to play for people like him.

  18. Now that Rodgers has the taste of power of having has 2 coaches fired he will be even more difficult to deal with I would hate to be his next coach. bruce arians is a smart man.

  19. As a Bears fan, I am thoroughly enjoying this while knowing in the back of my mind that the Packers will likely be a force for the next couple of seasons of Rodjuhs’ career with new blood leading the charge for them… fingers crossed they hire Trestman? 😀

  20. You were the top aide, a defensive coach, and your unit has STUNK for 8 years now.

    What can you tell me about leadership???

    Hit the bricks, bud.

  21. Rodgers haters are clueless.

    The ENTIRE staff will be gone by the New Year.

    Pettine and Joe Whitt are the only guys that stand a chance. Even then I’d put my money on the new guy wanting a fresh start.

  22. This action and Moss’s tweet indicate that the behind the scenes level of dysfunction speculated upon is likely accurate — pretty surprising for such a traditionally stable organization.

  23. Wow that franchise in Green Bay just keeps hitting new lows. It’s pretty clear they have put all their eggs in Aaron’s basket, no self respecting head coach is going to take that job. Aaron is the sacred cow apparently. Winston’s tweet pretty much tells us what we all suspected was going on.

  24. Winston Moss is 100% right.
    Green Bay just lost to a 2-9 Arizona team. Lost to them at home.
    Everybody, including Aaron Rodgers, should be held accountable.
    And as far as the future goes, everyone should be held to the highest of standards.
    Identifying, hiring and establishing true leadership should be paramount.

    But a coach shouldn’t be posting this crap on social media.
    This, in itself, illustrates a lack of true leadership, as well as critical thinking and basic common sense.
    And quite honestly, as someone who’s spent the last number of years overseeing this defense in various capacities, Winston should probably take a good look in the mirror.

    Most of you don’t realize this, but the employment of Winston Moss has been a point of contention for years.
    He has a history for saying inappropriate and bizarre things.
    So much so, that he is the only coach not available to the media during the season, which ruffled the feathers of several other coaches who have to try and cover questions more related to his areas.
    Moss was a just another example of a coach kept afloat due to McCarthy’s extreme loyalty.

    Most of this is common knowledge in Green Bay, but is easily verifiable with a simple Google search on Moss’ firing.

    Joe Philbin, not the Packer brass and most certainly not the starting QB, is the one who pulled the trigger on him and I’m guessing there was a little bad blood over Moss not getting the interim Head Coaching gig despite his Assistant Head Coach title.

    Look, I realize that it’s far more satisfying to the trolls to continue their irrational hate towards Aaron Rodgers and believe he’s calling the shots, and that the front office are full of a bunch of clueless, enablers who can’t even score an interview with the great Bruce Arians.
    Never mind the fact that they might not have even been interested in him.
    Please, by all means, continue to do so.
    Green Bay will continue to go about the business of retooling this franchise for the betterment of the NFL.

  25. Bill Parcels once quipped that if he was responsible for cooking the meal, he should have something to say about buying the groceries … same goes for Mike McCarthy. For years, the Packers continuously had one of the youngest rosters in the NFL. Why, because the bean counters continuously hired 6 or 7 non-drafted free agents – the lowest of the low on the pay scale, to fill out the roster.
    ======

    And for years McCarthy WON with one of the youngest roster in the League.

    They never fixed their problems on D after 2010, and its at the point where even the offensive talent pool has dried up.

    Paying a bunch of again veterans isn’t a guaranteed fix. Look no further than Jimmy Graham and Mo Wilkerson. Nice paydays for both, and they’ve done squat! (Wilkerson is on IR, no fault of his own, in fairness).. Marty Bennett the year before, even worse than Jimmy Graham.

  26. Packer defenses..

    2011 – 19th points, DEAD LAST in yards (gave up more yards than any team in NFL history)
    2012 – 11th points, 11th yards
    2013 – 24th, 25th
    2014 – 13th, 15th
    2015 – 12th, 15th
    2016 – 21st, 22nd
    2017 – 26th, 22nd
    2018 – currently 17th, 13th

    .. yes, tell me about “leadership”, Winston.

  27. Greg Jennings tried to tell you all what was going on, what,4 or 5 years ago?
    ======

    Greg Jennings.. who the Packers wanted to resign? Who took a bigger contract in free agency?

    Greg Jennings.. who averaged 3 receptions and 37 yards per game after leaving Green Bay?

    THAT Greg Jennings??…….

  28. People need to stop worshipping Rodgers. He’s been awful this year.and last year.
    —-
    Where do some of you people come up with this stuff!? The Packers were 4-1 when AR got hurt last year and he was playing lights out. They aren’t winning this year but the dude still has 21 TDS and 1 int. That’s awful? Let’s get real here.

  29. aarons444 says:
    December 5, 2018 at 10:38 am
    Packer defenses..
    2011 – 19th points, DEAD LAST in yards (gave up more yards than any team in NFL history)
    2012 – 11th points, 11th yards
    2013 – 24th, 25th
    2014 – 13th, 15th
    2015 – 12th, 15th
    2016 – 21st, 22nd
    2017 – 26th, 22nd
    2018 – currently 17th, 13th
    .. yes, tell me about “leadership”, Winston
    ——
    Well the chain of leadership is:
    McCarthy, Defensive Coordinator, defensive assistants.

    Since Moss was an assistant, how is Moss responsible for a lousy defense when he is being told what to do by his “leaders”?

  30. aarons444 says:
    December 5, 2018 at 10:50 am
    Greg Jennings tried to tell you all what was going on, what,4 or 5 years ago?
    ======
    Greg Jennings.. who the Packers wanted to resign? Who took a bigger contract in free agency?
    Greg Jennings.. who averaged 3 receptions and 37 yards per game after leaving Green Bay?
    THAT Greg Jennings??……
    ——–
    The Greg Jennings, as a packer, during warmups against the 49ers claims that Aaron Rodgers stated that Jennings would be a good fit in San Francisco. This was stated while Jennings was talking with a San Fran player during pre-game.

    So yeah. The dysfunction in Green Bay was around when Jennings was on the team.

  31. Rodgers has 21 TDs and literally only 1 interception on the season. If you are capable of construing that as awful, I don’t think you can be saved. There is no possible way to spin that as awful. I feel like I live in an alternate universe.

  32. cheeseisfattening says:
    December 4, 2018 at 3:22 pm
    Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a #LombardiStandard! Period!
    ——
    Once Rodgers finds out Moss said this Rodgers will have him fired. Holding Rodgers to the same standard as every other of his teammates? Please, no way Rodgers would accept that.
    ================
    I told you yesterday once Rodgers finds out Moss said he should be held accountable just like his teammates Rodgers would have him fired.
    😛

  33. mnrasslinggovjesse says:
    December 5, 2018 at 11:19 am
    As “associate head coach,” whatever exactly that is, shouldn’t Moss have been involved in “holding everyone accountable” for the last several years?
    ——-
    So why was Moss kept on staff all of these years if he was such a bad coach?
    Whose fault is that?

  34. Jeff Saturday, on ESPN, on his last year in GB with Aaron Rodgers: “…when you’d be in the huddle, and Mike McCarthy would make the play call, you could see Aaron’s frustration. Whether it be the eye roll…”
    Saturday went on to say this when he played with Rodgers when Rodgers was young and he was a veteran and he could only imagine the effect this behavior would have on all the young guys in the huddle now.

    No wonder the whole team quit on McCarthy. Too bad because now once a quitter always a quitter.

  35. yetipro says:
    December 5, 2018 at 11:15 am
    Rodgers has 21 TDs and literally only 1 interception on the season. If you are capable of construing that as awful, I don’t think you can be saved. There is no possible way to spin that as awful. I feel like I live in an alternate universe.
    __________________

    21 Tds, 1 Int and over 3,500 yds. with 4 games to go.
    If Teddy Bridgewater put up those kinds of numbers back when he was playing in Minnesota, the Barneys would’ve renamed Minneapolis, TeddyTown.
    Then they’d petition the league to include his immediate admission to the ProFootball Hall of Fame.

  36. yetipro says:
    December 5, 2018 at 11:15 am
    Rodgers has 21 TDs and literally only 1 interception on the season. If you are capable of construing that as awful, I don’t think you can be saved. There is no possible way to spin that as awful. I feel like I live in an alternate universe.
    ———–
    The issue isn’t the numbers, although those are low compared with Rodgers’ previous performances. The issue is who’s in control of the team. Rodgers’ attitude and demeanor are not producing harmony in the locker room or the front office. As long as Rodgers is allowed to do what he’s doing, the soap opera and losing will be the theme in GB. Deny it if you want, but it’s true.

  37. So why was Moss kept on staff all of these years if he was such a bad coach?
    Whose fault is that?
    =====

    From 2014-present, the Packers have failed to make needed changes.

    Coaching, personnel, contracts, draft, you name it.

    Pretty simple.

    That how teams have consecutive losing seasons.

  38. cheeseisfattening says:
    December 5, 2018 at 11:42 am
    Jeff Saturday, on ESPN, on his last year in GB with Aaron Rodgers: “…when you’d be in the huddle, and Mike McCarthy would make the play call, you could see Aaron’s frustration. Whether it be the eye roll…”
    ___________

    Wait…….he rolled his eyes? Rolled his eyes……….at a play call?
    Are you trying to tell me that Aaron Rodgers, back in 2012, rolled his eyes at a play call he didn’t like?

    Well, this has to be the first time in the history of the NFL, wait, scratch that, this just might be the first time in sporting history that a star player disagreed with a coach about a play call.
    You said he rolled husband eyes, right?

    Never mind the fact that an entire defensive secondary in Minnesota decided to just ignore the coaches gameplan and single up Jordy Nelson with an aging Terrence Newman.
    All the while, poor coach Zimmer couldn’t get ahold of his defense to right the ship ‘till halftime.

    Rolled his eyes, huh?

  39. aarons444 says:
    December 5, 2018 at 12:06 pm
    So why was Moss kept on staff all of these years if he was such a bad coach?
    Whose fault is that?
    =====
    From 2014-present, the Packers have failed to make needed changes.
    Coaching, personnel, contracts, draft, you name it.
    Pretty simple.
    That how teams have consecutive losing seasons.
    ——-
    Agreed.
    But if it’s been that bad, why is Moss only now the most recent scapegoat?
    And only after expressing his views of the dysfunction in Green Bay?

    Based on your thoughts then, the entire organization should be canned, not just Moss.

  40. The drama will be the team’s new normal as long as Rodgers is allowed a say on who stays and who goes. Narcissists are never content – they have an insatiable need to be at the center of everything. The last two firings prove this point.

  41. So Rodgers is a brand new person in 2018? Why have these personality issues not been an issue until instantly popping up in 2018?

    This guy has been a jerk his entire life. And his entire Packers career.

    His overall stats are in line with his career averages.

    There are other players on the field. I assure you that teams can win with a QB that passes for 21 TDs and only 1 INT. It’s possible.

  42. Rodgers’ salary is what, 20% of the team’s cap? That leave the remaining 52 players to split what’s left. Hard to find a talented supporting cast with those limitations.

  43. It’s not the first time Rodgers was instrumental is getting coaches fired.

    Childress, Frazier, Smith, Trestman, Fox, Schwartz, and Caldwell come to mind. And Zimmer too, probably, sometime in the near future…….especially if the Vikings fail to reach a “guaranteed” appearance in the SuperBowl. Oh my God…….what if they fail to qualify for the postseason? Can you imagine, after entering the season with an all-time “vaunted” team, made stupendous by tweaking just one position?

    No wonder the trolls are out in-force. They’re panicking and getting their licks in now. How sad.

  44. pkrlvr says:

    They aren’t winning this year but the dude still has 21 TDS and 1 int. That’s awful? Let’s get real here.
    ###

    I agree, let’s get real…

    On the surface, those are great PERSONAL stats.

    But you haven’t been able to count on Rodgers to complete a critical 2 yard pass to extend a drive.

    Too many 3 and outs, forcing the defense back on the field.

    If all you care about is Rodgers having a low number of interceptions, then he’s the best in the business this year.

    If you care about the team winning games, you need to look elsewhere.

  45. The thing about Moss’s tweet….he said the “new coach” needs to hold Rodgers accountable. That implies that the “old coach”, McCarthy, and by extension himself as assistant head coach, did not.
    Makes little sense, unless looked at in the light of loyalty to MM, or just sour grapes. But by that measure, the point he makes is illegitimate on it’s face.
    If not, he is indicting the coaching regime he was an integral part of.
    And it validates Management’s decision to move on.

  46. Rodgers’ salary is what, 20% of the team’s cap? That leave the remaining 52 players to split what’s left. Hard to find a talented supporting cast with those limitations.
    =====

    He takes up 11% of the cap this year…..

  47. You know the proper place to speak the truth? In the coaches meeting. Not twitter.

    The same Purples who go haywire when Aaron Rodgers criticizes his teammates or coaches in the media now bemoan Moss not getting away with it. Consistency is not their calling card.

  48. mnrasslinggovjesse says:
    December 5, 2018 at 11:19 am

    As “associate head coach,” whatever exactly that is, shouldn’t Moss have been involved in “holding everyone accountable” for the last several years?
    )))))))
    You don’t understand how it works. The coaches couldn’t hold #12 accountable.And #12 doesn’t hold himself accountable either. The ball stuck to my hand. Points at his WR’s, blames the head coach for play calling…..

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