Joe Philbin: Firing Winston Moss was about more than his tweet

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On Tuesday, long-time Packers assistant coach Winston Moss took to social media to offer criticism of the team. And the team fired him later that day.

On Wednesday, interim coach Joe Philbin explained that the firing didn’t flow exclusively from the tweet.

It’s never about one thing,” Philbin said, via ESPN.com. “Again, I think it’s important, as I said to the team, we’ve got to be professional, accountable, respectful, and punctual. Those are the four things that we’ve got to do the next four weeks. And if we do all those things, we’ll be in good shape. It wasn’t about — again, you’re talking to a guy who’s never tweeted in his life, doesn’t even know what Twitter is — so again, it’s not about a tweet or anything like that. I just think the fit right now isn’t where it needs to be. . . .

“I think it’s important obviously that everybody’s on the same page, that we’re all moving forward in the same direction. As you know, Winston’s an excellent football coach. I’ve known him a long time. Respect him; outstanding family man. So it wasn’t an easy decision, but I just didn’t feel like the fit right now was where it needs to be.”

The right fit had been there for the past 13 years, with Moss arriving in 2006 with McCarthy and Moss not being fired at any point before then. But the tweet from Moss may have reflected the final straw for him, becoming in turn the final turn for them.

Indeed, Moss had the title of assistant head coach since 2007. But Philbin, not Moss, became the interim head coach — despite the struggles of the offense Philbin coordinates. And Philbin, not Moss, was getting the chance, slim as it may be, to coach his way into the permanent job.

It’s entirely possible that Moss simply didn’t believe Philbin was the answer, and/or that Moss fears the coaching search will turn on factors unrelated to the message articulated in his tweet: “What championship teams have are great leadership! Period! It’s not the offensive guru trend, it’s not the safe trend. Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building to a #LombardiStandard! Period!”

Moss may sense, and possibly may know, that the coaching search will focus on finding someone who will be compatible with (and perhaps deferential to) #12, quarterback Aaron Rodgers. Moss seems to think that it will be more important to find someone who will hold Rodgers accountable.

And Moss possibly wanted the chance to be that guy, and he possibly wasn’t happy he didn’t get it. So he said what he said, believed what he said, and now will move on. Possibly joining McCarthy in whatever his next stop will be.

44 responses to “Joe Philbin: Firing Winston Moss was about more than his tweet

  1. Its obvious and has been for some time that it’s Rodgers team. Too bad his ego now stands in the way of the Packers future.

  2. Whole Packers leadership is a disaster ! They should all be out the door including Philbin who is a proven failure as a head coach.

  3. Philbin isnt the answer, I don’t know is. I don’t feelbthey are currently on the staff.

    Moss is likely off to wherever MM lands anyway if he gets a HC job. That tweet probably helped him get a head start.

  4. Aaron Rodgers is the modern day Dan Marino. People in the organization back then always said there was a set of rules for Dan and a set of rules for everyone else. Both examples show how one person can affect an entire organization. Ironically, both QBs have been to only one Super Bowl.

  5. A A Ron is an idiot for signing a long term deal with such an incredibly poor run team. Whine much

  6. So if all goes south next season with this new HC on the way, how fast will Rodgers start kicking and screaming like a toddler?

  7. Haters on parade.

    Sorry that Aaron Rodgers has been the best QB in the game.

    Why you can’t deal with that is beyond comprehension.

    _____________________________________________

    “has been”

    Key words there.

  8. Liberalsruineverything says:
    December 5, 2018 at 2:07 pm
    He basically threw a shot across Erin’s bow. That’s a big no no.

    ————

    I think it’s ok to discuss and criticize players and teams and it’s fine that fans do that from the perspective of their own team which is certainly a biased view. However, calling Aaron Rodgers “Erin” makes no sense to me. He’s a great player in the league even if you don’t like him due to your team allegiance.

  9. Bragging about not knowing what Twitter is says a lot about Philbin. Good luck getting another HC job and relating to today’s players if you’re bragging about that in this day and age.

  10. Moss wanted out!!! Moss knew that Rodgers wasn’t running the offense way that McCarthy was planning it because he Rodgers is so great that he can do whatever he wants on offense. Rodgers is an overpaid and overhyped QB that has only taken the Packers to one SB win. The Packers don’t and for a long time don’t have a defense. The GM and President should have been the ones fired!

  11. First of all, it’s puzzling why Murphy even mentioned that Joe Philbin is a viable candidate. Maybe he did it so players will put out the maximum effort for the rest of the season. Philbin would be a quality assistant to retain, but not a head coach.
    Moss had been interviewed for head coaching jobs in the past, but had remarked that he was just the token minority interview. Maybe the frustration got to him.

  12. aarons444 says:
    December 5, 2018 at 2:20 pm

    Haters on parade.

    Sorry that Aaron Rodgers has been the best QB in the game.

    Why you can’t deal with that is beyond comprehension.
    __________

    He’s definitely the most talented quarterback of all time, but he seems to be losing something and I wonder if his attitude may have contributed some to the team’s problems. The talent isn’t any worse than it’s been the last few years, but Rodgers can’t overcome it anymore. I don’t know anything, but it would be hard to believe that he doesn’t bear some responsibility for what’s happened.

  13. Highly doubtful Philbin gets the job considering his record as Dolphins head coach. He was a disaster who was the coach during the bullying case involving Jonathan Martin. If he couldn’t handle that, how is he going to handle Rodgers?

  14. Philbin is Mr company man lick those boots to save your job for a few games trust me you won’t be their next year then will hear what he has to say.

  15. Saint Aaron the Great. 84th all-time in 4th Quarter comebacks. One was against an 0-16 Lions team. A couple of others are last second Hail Marys that any third string QB could throw.

    But, Packers fans will always point the finger elsewhere. It’s the D’s fault! It’s McCarthy!

    Saint Aaron the Great shall not be challenged.

  16. When you double-dog dare your bosses to fire you they usually will. Most coaches wouldn’t have went that far in comments made AFTER they’d been fired, let along while they were still employed by the team.

  17. Aaron Rodgers has always been too sensitive. He also has been busy firing coaches in GB.Favre never did that.

  18. A A Ron is an idiot for signing a long term deal with such an incredibly poor run team. Whine much
    —–
    So your team went to the playoffs 9 consecutive years? You people should think before you troll.

    In reality Moss was only employed because having Rodgers on the team hid his and MM’s deficiencies. He had no business taking shots at the one person who kept him employed.

  19. Mark Murphy, the Chief Ribbon Cutter, richly deserves his share of the blame. If the Board of Zombies had any gonads at all, Murphy would have followed McCarthy out the door within five minutes.

  20. If you want to be looked upon as an adult in the organization, don’t Twitter, or Tweet, or whatever, stupid stuff like a teenager. I’d fire him too for that. Made himself look like an idiot

  21. You talk about accountability in the very same tweet you take a public shot at the organization rather than keep things in house? Don’t think Winston understands the definition of accountability.

  22. Philbin…the yes man that Rodgers needs along with Gute.

    But I ask this question.

    When Rodgers throws players under the bus or discusses team personnel issues, will Rodgers be shown the door like Moss?

  23. blackqbwhiterb says:
    December 5, 2018 at 2:59 pm
    If you want to be looked upon as an adult in the organization, don’t Twitter, or Tweet, or whatever, stupid stuff like a teenager. I’d fire him too for that. Made himself look like an idiot
    ——
    Right.
    Just talk about that stuff in presser and its ok.
    At least for Rodgers it’s ok.

  24. aarons444 says:
    December 5, 2018 at 2:20 pm
    Haters on parade.

    Sorry that Aaron Rodgers has been the best QB in the game.

    Why you can’t deal with that is beyond comprehension.

    ***********************************************************

    the FACT that Aaron is 0-37 in his career in the 4th quarter aginst teams with a winning
    record is…

    beyond your comprehension… Rodgers is no leader whatsoever…

  25. The Packers have ruined Rodgers career, he should be able to make personnel decisions from this point forward

  26. You Rodgers haters are too myopic to see the obvious. Moss was pissed that didn’t get the interim job since he was associate HC. He was bashing Philbin for not being a real leader and doesn’t think he will hold 12 accountable. So Philbin fired him. It’s that simple, folks.

  27. If Moss was the assistant head coach in charge of the defense he should have been fired years ago. Talk about not being held accountable. I’m sure he knew with McCarthy gone he had no future in Green Bay.

  28. beyond your comprehension… Rodgers is no leader whatsoever…
    ======

    Favre wasn’t a leader either.

    Didn’t stop him from becoming the winningest QB of all-time.

  29. Don’t give me this “the truth hurts” crap. You don’t air your passive aggressive criticisms on social media.

  30. I think folks are giving Rodgers too much credit for his behind the scenes management responsibilities — I bet he had zero involvement in the decision to can Moss. It is kind of entertaining that Philbin is engaging in this tough coach-guy act to curry consideration for the permanent job, as I’d be amazed if any coaches are retained. Moss just got an early start to his job search — with pay.

  31. a lot of hate here for a good citizen whose only crime is vanity and a big ego. Save your hate for all the woman and child beaters currently playing for your team.

  32. Everyone here talks about how bad it is between qb and coach as if its the ONLY place, the fact is anytime you have long tenhred coaches and thebsame QBs hearong the same message it gets old..

    You guys are going pretend that in NE they dont have similar issues? They do.. the difference is they keep winnong, cuz they have a better all around team, and a weaker division.

  33. Rodgers is an 8-10-1 diva in the last 2 seasons.

    I’d say he’s irrelevant but his ‘Don’t Hurt Rodgers’ rules have caused an offensive explosion almost everywhere except A-A-Ron’s team.

    When you are the highest paid player in the league, no one wants to hear anything about the 5 good players you should have on your roster if you made 18 a year instead of 28.

    He has elevated nothing since 2010, unless you want to count a 15-1 team that was 1-and-done to Eli and the Giants.

  34. My take, A A Ron is all about him, which leaves GB starving for FAs. Or maybe a great coach. Who wants to go to a team where its never A A Rons fault. At least Cousins takes responsibility. A A Ron is not a team player, always yelling at Wrs, or looking for flags to cover up his lack of leadership skills. Ever see him talking to the QB coach or back up? Nope because he thinks he’s too good for that. Get rid of Rodgers, GB solves 80% of their problem.

  35. shaggytoodle says:
    “You guys are going pretend that in NE they dont have similar issues? They do.. the difference is they keep winning”

    Hmmm, thats a pretty significant difference.

  36. One person states that 0-37 straight up lie, and all the Viking trolls take it and run. He had 4Q comebacks against the 12-4 Cowboys in 2014, the 10-6 Seahawks in 2015, and the 9-7 Cowboys in 2017.

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