Eli Manning one loss away from tying Brett Favre for second-most ever

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Eli Manning is moving up on a list he’d prefer not to.

The Giants have lost 111 games that Manning has started, putting him third in NFL history for the most career losses by a starting quarterback. If the Giants lose on Sunday, Manning will move into a tie with Brett Favre for the second-most losses. Favre had a career record of 186-112, while Manning’s record is 115-111.

In another year, Manning could easily break Vinny Testaverde’s record for the most career losses for any starting quarterback. Testaverde went 90-123-1 in his career, which spanned 21 years and included stops with seven teams.

The only active quarterback who has close to as many losses as Manning is Drew Brees, who has a career record of 152-108 as a starter. Given how much better the Saints are than the Giants, and the fact that Manning is two years younger than Brees, it seems unlikely that Brees will lose enough games to pass Manning for the most losses ever.

60 responses to “Eli Manning one loss away from tying Brett Favre for second-most ever

  1. Look at the list and see you a list of great QBs….look ath eh top 5 fumbling QBs of all time and you will also see a long list of great QBs…most INTs? Great QBs….why? Because their greatness meant longevity…How about avg losses per game (Season would be skewed as some seasons were longer than others) Ints per game, fumbles per game…TDs per game …etc.

  2. Favre had a career record of 186-112, while Manning’s record is 115-111.

    That’s a big difference in wins.

  3. Thought the Giants were more successful in the Manning ERA tbh…Just a .500 QB. But with 2 rings and 2 SB MVP’s. Such a strange career imo.

  4. Curious statistics are revealing. Putting aside silly concepts like “greatness”, a statistic like this may indicate a more significant worth to the game during the player’s career than something like net wins, as the player has or had to be trusted or appreciated in different senses by teams, players and fans to get here. Cold comfort.

  5. And Brady is 205-58 (.779, with 97.5 passer rating), yet the salty mountain of hate still claim other QBs are the GOAT. “Oh, but AFCE is weak” they say, despite Brady winning every division by 2-1 or better and owning 5 (AFCN, AFCS, NFCN, NFCE, NFCS) by a higher ratio than the AFCE.

  6. The numbers speak for themselves. Eli is a mediocre QB who Trent Dilfered his way into 2 SB rings.

  7. Take away two of the most improbable catches in Super Bowl history and this guy is a mediocre bum.

  8. Eli Manning is basically Vinny Testaverde with better team support.

    Actually that’s not a knock on Manning. Testaverde on a good team would have been a Hall of Famer.

    Football has always been a team sport.

  9. As a Giants fan I love easy Eli. Listen it’s pretty simple. I’ll take the 15 years of mediocrity if it includes 2 super bowl rings any day of the week and twice and sundays. There are 25+ fanbases in the league that wish they had that in the last 20 years. I don’t know if he’ll ever make the hall of fame, he might considering he’s a 2 time SB MVP (although one can go to Tyree and one to Osi) but he’s an all time Giant great for sure and that’s good enough for me.

  10. Yep, and Cy Young has the most all time losses for a pitcher with Nolan Ryan in 3rd place. These type of all time loss records are usually held by HOFers. Drew Brees is 4th on the QB list. Dan Marino 6th.

  11. The fact that’s he’s almost 50-50 but has two rings shows how bad the Giants have been minus the two championship years.

  12. The Giants were ready move on from him over a year ago and now are stuck with him as a starter, probably well into 2019. If that’s the case, he’ll fall under .500 for his career.

  13. “charliecharger says:
    December 6, 2018 at 7:47 am

    Yep, and Cy Young has the most all time losses for a pitcher with Nolan Ryan in 3rd place. These type of all time loss records are usually held by HOFers. Drew Brees is 4th on the QB list. Dan Marino 6th.”

    None of the players you listed are .500 in their career though

  14. Idiots don’t realize that this record is a by product of not missing a game in 15 years,,,,and in the span of 15 years almost what equates to about 3 1/2 generations in football years,, your team and coaching and offensive line are going to have down years resulting in loses unless that is your team has played in the AFC EAST the last 15 years !

  15. Listen no one is going to say Eli is as good as Brees, Brady or some of the top 5-10 best QBs of all time which is what some commenters on here are insinuating. However to discredit some of the other statistics Eli has put up is unfair. He’s 8th all time in TDs, 7th in yards, never missed a game due to injury and has led two teams to superbowl wins. There are maybe 10 guys who have better resumes then that

  16. If anyone gets a chance look at Eli’s numbers and comeback wins during the 2011 season and postseason. People want to call him lucky…The Giants were a bad team that were dead last in the NFL in rushing yards. Eli carried the team to a Superbowl by himself. His playoff numbers and performance was nothing short of brilliant.

  17. Most teams would take Eli’s record – 2 SBs. The fanbase would take the SBs with a mediocre regular season than good/great seasons and get knocked out of the playoffs in the first round.

  18. Favre had a career record of 186-112, while Manning’s record is 115-111.

    That’s a big difference in wins.

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    2 Super Bowls to 1. Thats a big difference in rings. Which, to be honest, is what really counts in the end.

  19. ” Given how much better the Saints are than the Giants, and the fact that Manning is two years younger than Brees, it seems unlikely that Brees will lose enough games to pass Manning for the most losses ever.”

    I think this could be Mannings last year. He most likely will pass Favre this season, but I think Brees plays a few more years.

    So most likely, Brees will exceed Manning’s loss total.

  20. Luckiest QB ever who played for a proven cheater in John Mara. I always wondered how the Giants were able to beat NE. You can’t see everything off camera when watching at home.

    Heck, on the Tyree catch, there were 3 different holdings on the play alone.

    It all makes sense now with Goodell doing what he’s done the last 10 years.

  21. toddm6d says:
    December 6, 2018 at 9:15 am
    So basically you’re saying he’s a .500 QB.

    Do they put .500 QB’s in the Hall of Fame?
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    They put Namath in the HOF, so anything is possible with NY writers leading the charge.

  22. a Giants fan I love easy Eli. Listen it’s pretty simple. I’ll take the 15 years of mediocrity if it includes 2 super bowl rings any day of the week and twice and sundays. There are 25+ fanbases in the league that wish they had that in the last 20 years. I don’t know if he’ll ever make the hall of fame, he might considering he’s a 2 time SB MVP (although one can go to Tyree and one to Osi) but he’s an all time Giant great for sure and that’s good enough for me.

    You can give the super bowl credit to those two but then several of NE credit can go to Adam vinateiri. This is a team game. Unless you disect every game, he gets credit for every from and win and loss

  23. I’ll never understand why the most clear cut TEAM statistic available bears any serious relevance on the “greatness” of a QB.

    For example:

    Not a knock to Brady at all – I agree you can’t discuss the GOAT without Brady in the conversation so don’t you Brady fanboys get all riled up – but what would Brady’s won loss record had been at Cleveland if he spent his career there? Would we have ever heard of him?

    As good as Archie Manning was on the (awful at the time) Saints – how great would he have been on great team like the 70’s Cowboys or Steelers? And put Bradshaw or Staubach on the Saints and how do they fare?

    And the same can be said about any “great” QB. They don’t win alone. There area all kinds of measurables for talking about a QB’s greatness, we all know that.

    Team wins just isn’t a very significant one.

  24. Patriots* fans think this article will somehow erase those two monumental Super Bowl losses to Super Bowl MVP Eli Manning and the New York Giants. LOL.

  25. Anyone wondering whether this record is unprecedented in the Hall of Fame can rest easy, as 5 of the 26 QBs in the Hall have comparable records (Blanda, Fouts, Moon, Namath and Jurgensen).

  26. Eli has more career wins than
    -Terry Bradshaw
    -Warren Moon
    -Jim Kelly
    -Kenny Stabler
    -Steve Young
    -Troy Aikman
    -Roger Staubach

    He has played 15 years without missing any games.
    Joe Namath is in the Hall of fame with a career losing record and 1 Super Bowl win.
    You probably would never see this same headline associated with Drew Brees even though he is only 3 losses behind Eli.
    Eli is a Hall of Famer IMHO.

  27. Eye test – he’s a borderline HOFer.

    Stats, durability, and longevity matter. Those 2 Super Bowl wins definitely matter.

    When he had the chance (and he didn’t have many) to step up and win—he did. He was way more than window dressing during those playoff runs. And he did it against the greatest team of a generation.

  28. elvoid says:
    December 6, 2018 at 9:41 am
    I’ll never understand why the most clear cut TEAM statistic available bears any serious relevance on the “greatness” of a QB.

    For example:

    Not a knock to Brady at all – I agree you can’t discuss the GOAT without Brady in the conversation so don’t you Brady fanboys get all riled up – but what would Brady’s won loss record had been at Cleveland if he spent his career there? Would we have ever heard of him?

    As good as Archie Manning was on the (awful at the time) Saints – how great would he have been on great team like the 70’s Cowboys or Steelers? And put Bradshaw or Staubach on the Saints and how do they fare?

    And the same can be said about any “great” QB. They don’t win alone. There area all kinds of measurables for talking about a QB’s greatness, we all know that.

    Team wins just isn’t a very significant one.

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    Since each and every play involves 22 men, all statistics are team statistics. There are zero plays that involve a single player. So why differentiate? Wins and Losses are no more “team” statistics than QBR, Completion % or any other statistic.

  29. elvoid says:
    December 6, 2018 at 9:41 am
    I’ll never understand why the most clear cut TEAM statistic available bears any serious relevance on the “greatness” of a QB.

    For example:

    Not a knock to Brady at all – I agree you can’t discuss the GOAT without Brady in the conversation so don’t you Brady fanboys get all riled up – but what would Brady’s won loss record had been at Cleveland if he spent his career there? Would we have ever heard of him?

    As good as Archie Manning was on the (awful at the time) Saints – how great would he have been on great team like the 70’s Cowboys or Steelers? And put Bradshaw or Staubach on the Saints and how do they fare?
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    When was Archie Manning a good NFL QB?

    Maybe those Saints teams would have been good if those ‘Archie’ teams had a good NFL QB?

    Could it be that Bill Belichick has held Tom Brady back? Could it be that if Brady had been on the Browns since 2001, the Browns would have been undefeated during this period?

    It could be, we will never know; that’s the drawback of hypothetical questions.

  30. streetyson says:
    December 6, 2018 at 6:46 am
    And Brady is 205-58 (.779, with 97.5 passer rating), yet the salty mountain of hate still claim other QBs are the GOAT. “Oh, but AFCE is weak” they say, despite Brady winning every division by 2-1 or better and owning 5 (AFCN, AFCS, NFCN, NFCE, NFCS) by a higher ratio than the AFCE.
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    Brady’s so good he isn’t even in the conversation for league MVP this year.

  31. whywerule says:
    December 6, 2018 at 10:45 am

    When was Archie Manning a good NFL QB?

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    Really? I’ve got to look this up for you? I’m guessing you don’t now much about football before 1990.

    In 72, he led the NFL in passing yardage even though the team was 2-11-1.

    In 78, he was named the NFL Player of the Year and named All-NFC.

    In 78 and 79, he was selected to the Pro Bowl.

    And this was on what was a historically horrible team with perhaps the worst offensive line in terms of pass protection the NFL has ever seen or will ever see.

    So yes – Archie Manning was a good NFL QB that toiled away on a horrible team.

  32. whywerule says:
    December 6, 2018 at 10:45 am

    Could it be that Bill Belichick has held Tom Brady back? Could it be that if Brady had been on the Browns since 2001, the Browns would have been undefeated during this period?
    It could be, we will never know; that’s the drawback of hypothetical questions.

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    Except we do know. When Brady has gone down with injuries, mediocre QBs that go elsewhere and suck have led the Patriots without skipping a beat. The Patriots system is the GOAT, not Tom. Belichick is the GOAT, not Tom.

  33. dtm1088 says:
    December 6, 2018 at 8:54 am
    If anyone gets a chance look at Eli’s numbers and comeback wins during the 2011 season and postseason. People want to call him lucky…The Giants were a bad team that were dead last in the NFL in rushing yards. Eli carried the team to a Superbowl by himself. His playoff numbers and performance was nothing short of brilliant.
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    In the 2011 NFC Championship game against the 49ers, Eli’s last seven possessions were all three and outs. The 49er punt returner fumbled twice to give the Giants a tieing field goal and a winning field goal. I don’t know about you, but that is not my definition of clutch. Eli is certainly the LUCKIEST QB.

  34. “Except we do know. When Brady has gone down with injuries, mediocre QBs that go elsewhere and suck have led the Patriots without skipping a beat. The Patriots system is the GOAT, not Tom. Belichick is the GOAT, not Tom.”

    Really? That’s essentially saying that when it comes to a Reese’s Peanut Butter cup, it’s all the peanut butter and chocolate has nothing to do with the great taste or experience.

    Eli has had his moment’s of greatness. What is staggering is what you see when you compare his numbers to Brady’s.

  35. Funny how Eli derping his way past the 15-1 Packers — in Lambeau — on the way to a ring is never mentioned, presumably because although it helps Eli it utterly destroys the remaining pieces of the once popular “Rodgers = GOAT” fable.

  36. As an Eagles fan I can’t stand Eli, but if you look at some of the other garbage QBs in the hall of fame you might as well have him in there too. Bradshaw, Namath and griese to name a few bums that don’t belong.

  37. Patriots* fans think this article will somehow erase those two monumental Super Bowl losses to Super Bowl MVP Eli Manning and the New York Giants. LOL.
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    Not at all. But unlike Giants fans, we’ve moved on from those two losses a long time ago and have been able to enjoy two additional SB wins since. All while the Giants have not even won a playoff game since the last SB they beat the Patriots.

  38. Except we do know. When Brady has gone down with injuries, mediocre QBs that go elsewhere and suck have led the Patriots without skipping a beat. The Patriots system is the GOAT, not Tom. Belichick is the GOAT, not Tom.
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    The year Brady went down, the Pats lost 5 more games than the prior year and also missed the playoffs. The Pats have never won a playoff game (since 2001) without Brady. I’d say they definitely skipped a few beats.

  39. “The year Brady went down, the Pats lost 5 more games than the prior year and also missed the playoffs. The Pats have never won a playoff game (since 2001) without Brady. I’d say they definitely skipped a few beats.”

    Going 11-5 and missing the playoffs isn’t missing a few beats – it’s an aberration. Since the expansion to 16 games, only two teams have missed the playoffs at 11-5. The Pats were still a very, very good team with Matt Cassell at the helm (let that sink in). Sure, they’d have been better than 11-5 with Brady – but the drop-off wasn’t extreme.

    (And if I want to really stir the pot: 2010 Colts with Manning, 10-6, division winner. 2011 Colts without Manning, 2-14, basement.)

  40. Is there anyone here who would not have wanted Brett Favre on their team? And is this just the beginning of a concerted effort to oust Manning. If so, let him go more gracefully. Innuendo not appreciated.

  41. Going 11-5 and missing the playoffs isn’t missing a few beats – it’s an aberration. Since the expansion to 16 games, only two teams have missed the playoffs at 11-5. The Pats were still a very, very good team with Matt Cassell at the helm (let that sink in). Sure, they’d have been better than 11-5 with Brady – but the drop-off wasn’t extreme.

    (And if I want to really stir the pot: 2010 Colts with Manning, 10-6, division winner. 2011 Colts without Manning, 2-14, basement.)
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    The fact of the matter is, the Pats dropped 5 more games with virtually the same team except the QB. The 11-5 looks better on paper because its down from 16-0. Cassell was a serviceable QB at that point. He went on to sign with KC and made the pro bowl the following year. Aberration or not, they still missed the playoffs which would not have happened if Brady were there.

    The Colts argument is a joke. They purposely tanked for Luck and had Curtis Painter in there backing-up Manning. The next year they drafted Luck and were right back to 11-5 and in the playoffs.

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