Patriots a win away from an incredible 10th straight division title

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It’s not exactly breaking news that the Patriots have dominated the AFC East during Tom Brady‘s time as their starting quarterback. But the extent of the dominance is extraordinary.

If New England wins on Sunday at Miami, the Patriots will clinch the AFC East for the 10th consecutive year. They won’t just be the only NFL team to win a division 10 years in a row, but they’ll be just the second team in any of the four major North American sports leagues to win a division 10 years in a row. Only the Atlanta Braves, who won their division every year from 1995 through 2005, have done it before.

The Patriots won the AFC East in 2001, Brady’s first year as their starter, then finished second in 2002. They won it again in 2003 and have won it every year since then except for 2008, when Tom Brady suffered a season-ending knee injury in Week One and they finished second in the division. This is Brady’s 17th season as the Patriots’ primary starting quarterback, and he’s poised to win his 16th division title.

The Patriots are an incredible 205-58 in regular-season games that Brady starts. To put that in perspective, consider this: Drew Brees has had an amazing career and played on lots of good teams. But if Brees goes 50-0 in his next 50 games, and Brady goes 0-50 in his next 50 games, Brady will still have a better career record.

What the Patriots have accomplished since Brady became their starter in 2001 is the most sustained run of excellence we’ve ever seen.

219 responses to “Patriots a win away from an incredible 10th straight division title

  1. For those that think the Patriots have played in the weakest division of football, this is wrong. They have never lost to the Cowboys, Bucs, Vikings, Bears, or Falcons. Just look at their record outside the division against the rest since 2001 with Brady:

    Vs. the AFC:

    East: 77-21 (.785)
    North: 31-7 (.816)
    South: 39-7 (.848)
    West: 27-15 (.643)

    Vs. the NFC:

    East: 14-6 (.700)
    North: 16-4 (.800)
    South: 17-4 (.810)
    West: 9-5 (.643)

  2. Brady consistently has had a much better team and defense around him year in and year out than Brees. Don’t even compare.

  3. Patsies get 7 byes every year so it’s easy to rest injured players so they can play against the good teams.

    Patriots have been guilty of 2 major cheating scandals that both affected the integrity of the game.

    So no it’s not that impressive since it’s all tainted.

  4. kamthechancellor says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    Not impressed with this considering the division they’re in.

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    Go take a look at their record against your team’s division and you will find it is probably even better

  5. I would be impressed but we all know the rules don’t apply to the Patriots. Plus scheduling in their favor such as rarely playing teams off bye weeks just for one example.

  6. What you say is true. the fact they can win it in week # 14 says a lot about the competitiveness of tht a division also. Having said that 16 of 17 is amazing. Belichick is truly the king. Brady is the Duke.

  7. Insert comment about how every team would be great in that division. Did it ever occur to anyone that the lack of success from the fins, bills, and jets is from being in New England’s division? That begs me to ask: What does constitute as a strong division? A division with 3 playoff teams? That is very rare. I never hear that the Rams get 6 free wins. The Cards and 9ers and worse than the Bills and Jets, and Seattle is just 1 win ahead of Miami. The Jets have made 2 AFC Title games appearances in the past decade. How many teams can say that in the AFC? Denver, Baltimore, New England, Pittsburgh and Indy. But yes the AFC East is weak.

  8. Only the Atlanta Braves, who won their division every year from 1995 through 2005, have done it before.

    A big difference is that the Braves only won 1 World Series, with the best pitching staff in MLB.

  9. Michael Edits says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:30 pm
    Dolphins. Bills. Jets.
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    They have been plenty of weak divisions in the NFL yet no team has been able to come close to doing what the Patriots have. No matter how weak your division you still have to maintain a high level over almost 2 decades to do what they’ve done. In that time the Patriots have played in a ridiculous 8 superbowls and won 5 which proves they’re a great team since they had to play against some of the best teams in the league come play offs to get that record.

  10. The AFC East strength comments never fail to appear on the Patriots threads. Guess success is a bitter pill to take. As if it is the Patriots fault the other teams are mismanaged, poorly staffed and badly coached.

    But what is the excuse for the teams in every other division of the NFL?

  11. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:43 pm
    The afc least. None of the other teams has had a decent qb since Dan Marino left which explains it.

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    How do you explain the Patriots being 11-2 against the Steelers since Ben came along?

  12. Hard to believe they’ve had so much success in the playoffs with that cupcake division guaranteeing them home field advantage throughout. Their strength of schedule wouldn’t even get them into the playoffs in the NCAA with nearly zero quality opponents or victories.

  13. They’re a good team in a terrible division. The AFC East is really bad and if it wasn’t for Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, it would be the worst division in the league consistently. It’s never even close to competitive and that’s just sad.

  14. not the pats fault the jets bills & fins are an absolute train wreck…as a jet fan, you know what grinds my gears? miami gets all the hype as “giving new england a hard time”. please, only the jets have knocked the patriots out of the playoffs (twice mind you, 2002 & 2010) so enough about the dolphins.

  15. sb44champs says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:37 pm

    Brady consistently has had a much better team and defense around him year in and year out than Brees. Don’t even compare.

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    Brees has also played more than half of his career games in a dome. He has never missed a full season due to a season ending injury either, unlike both Peyton and Brady. Despite never missing a season, he has still thrown like 65 more interceptions than Brady. Look at his playoff stats against contenders in the post-season, such as against the Niners, Seahawks, Eagles, and Vikings. Being a minor pick-machine has nothing to do with his team’s defensive performances…

  16. all of these division comments are laughable..as if the patriots only go 8-8 every year..think about what it’s like being in that division knowing you arent going to win it & must rely on a wildcard spot/road playoff game..the last 10..10! jets playoff games have all been road games..an nfl record..a price to play for living in the same division as a dynasty.

  17. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:43 pm
    The afc least. None of the other teams has had a decent qb since Dan Marino left which explains it.
    ————
    How do you explain the Patriots being 11-2 against the Steelers since Ben came along?

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    AFC least? Against the NFC in the last 8 years (each AFC team having played each NFC team home and away) the AFC divisions have the following # of wins:

    EAST 65
    North 65
    South 44
    West 64

  18. same argument every year.

    patriots beat the 1st place Texans, Chiefs, and Bears this year.

    O and they beat the vikings, colts, and packers, who are having down years but are being mentioned because they are not the dolphins, bills, or jets.

    people just refuse to accept things as they are.

  19. Man the jealousy, hating and envy are apparent in some of theses comments. Pats have been great. End of story. The organization is impressive and successful. It is an honor to be envied, mocked, ridiculed and belittled by those who get in the way every year as the team is crowned. Not even bogus deflated football sanctions by the NFL itself could derail this teams drive and focus. A Football Life. Watch it when the day comes to honor this team and its players. Honor the coach and QB as they take their place in the HOF. Get over it. Nothing you say will change it. If you dont like it, it still wont change it. Facts are facts. They are amongst the greatest players and coaches ever to play the game!

  20. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    The afc least. None of the other teams has had a decent qb since Dan Marino left which explains it.

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    Yeah, those power-house Browns with having 26 quarterbacks since 1999 really screams “competition” for the Steelers in the AFC North. How about those Bengals and the fact that Marvin Lewis is like 0-7 in the post-season with them? Peyton Manning got to play the Jags, Titans, and Texans twice every season while on the Colts. Up until this season, Brady with the Patriots had never lost against the Jags and Lions. They are still undefeated against the Bears, Vikings, Falcons, Cowboys, and Bucs. Brady’s best record against his competition was the AFC South. Brees gets to play the Bucs twice each season and we all know the Falcons are colossal chokers. When was the last time the Bucs have even made the playoffs?

  21. footballseasonrules says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:37 pm
    For those that think the Patriots have played in the weakest division of football….
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    The data you provided has nothing to do with which division is the weakest. It just shows how the Patriots have done against each division.

  22. The AFC East has had two pro bowl qbs since Brady was drafted and one of those were Drew Bledsoe. Let me tell you how terrible the AFC East is and this is coming from a Dolphin fan.

  23. For this era in NFL they are the best..To compare them to 80’s and 90’s great teams I’m sorry I can’t..The rules have changed to such a watered down league

  24. Boy, if I was fan of one of the other 31 NFL teams it would give me a chance to know what it feels like to be an excuse-making, jealous loser. You should point your frustration at the owner/management of the team you root for. We did around here when people like Victor Kiam owned the team. Try it sometime….

  25. If the Patriots only succeeded because they played in a so-called weak division, they’d go 1 and done in the playoffs nearly every year when forced to play a good team.

    In fact, that describes Peyton Manning’s playoff record with the Colts very accurately.

  26. Its not the point the Patriots are a good team, its the point they are in a weak division that gives them 7 out of 8 wins each and every year. Translated means easy division titles and home playoff

  27. TB12 in my opinion is the GOAT, no doubt about it. His 16 titles is incredible and will NEVER be topped but, there is one spot on his resume. TB12 vs NFC East in Superbowls 0-3

  28. and ladies and gentlemen, it is why goodell cheats, continues to cheat and will still try to cheat the pats down the stretch with instructions to ref crews to manipulate games if not too noticable

    parity does not exist, at least the good kind they want due to owner arrogance, greed and entitlement since hiring goodell knowing he can be had

    enjoy everyone!

    pats fans will enjoy watching a high quality brand of ball every year thanks to bb the gm and coach, and we will continue to point out when and why goodell cheats (see protecting kareem hunt as a most recent example)

  29. bystanderhere says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:43 pm
    As if it is the Patriots fault the other teams are mismanaged, poorly staffed and badly coached.
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    When you consider teams are built with winning their division in mind the Pats actually are the reason those teams have revolving doors at coach and GM.

  30. Take a look at their record against the rest of the league during the same period….the argument that they play in a weak division is just that…weak.

    They don’t play the AFC east in Conference title games and Super Bowls Chums.

    And BTW You could make the same argument about the 49ers of the 80s and 90s in the NFC West. That wasn’t considered the iron of pro football either.

  31. So once again your somehow giving team accomplishnents to an individual player? And then you use Brees as a comparison, would is hands down a better QB in every measureable way. Brady’s teams have been better across the board almost universaly throughout their careers, yet Brees out performs him in every catergory. So of course you need to use team stats or things you can’t actually measure to try to craft an argument that Brady’s better, cuz facts, stats, & logic won’t do it.

  32. The Miami Dolphins took the division in 2008 when Brady was injured at 11-5, they made the playoffs at 10-6 in 2016, were 10-6 in 2003, and were 11-5 in 2001. Let’s not forget the time when Peyton Manning and the Colts played in the AFC East very early in Brady’s career until the 2002 re-alignment. It makes their 2001 championship run all the more impressive. The Jets were 10-6 in 2015, the Jets upset the Patriots in 2010 in the divisional round and later lost to the Steelers in the AFC championship game, they made the playoffs at 9-7 to beat the Bengals in the wild card game and the Chargers in the divisional round, they went 9-7 again in 2008, the Jets were 10-6 in 2006 making the playoffs, they made the playoffs again in 2004 at 10-6, and went 10-6 in 2001. Having said all of this, the Bills haven’t been so great. They made the playoffs in 2017 at 9-7, went 9-7 in 2014, 9-7 in 2004, and 8-8 in 2002.

  33. Nobody is envious or jealous of the cheating and lying Patsies. They win playoff games because they get home field advantage because of their easy division.

    Patsies lost to Jags, Titans and Lions.

  34. For some perspective, the Saints are going for back to back division titles for the first time in franchise history. Oh, and the Pats playoff record since Brady and Belichick is something like 27-10, with none of those sudden death wins coming against the woeful, pathetic, lowly, useless, worse than the Browns other teams of the AFC East. But just keep on keeping on with all those weak division arguments.. (eye roll)

  35. “TB12 in my opinion is the GOAT, no doubt about it. His 16 titles is incredible and will NEVER be topped but, there is one spot on his resume. TB12 vs NFC East in Superbowls 0-3”

    What division were the Eagles in when the Pat’s beat Donovan McNabb in the SB?

  36. SWFLPC.INC says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:39 pm
    kamthechancellor says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    Not impressed with this considering the division they’re in.

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    Go take a look at their record against your team’s division and you will find it is probably even better
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    If you had only scrolled down a little, you would have noticed the patsies actually struggle the most vs the NFC West.

  37. SWFLPC.INC says:

    December 8, 2018 at 12:45 pm

    steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:43 pm
    The afc least. None of the other teams has had a decent qb since Dan Marino left which explains it.

    ————

    How do you explain the Patriots being 11-2 against the Steelers since Ben came along?
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    That is very easy to explain.

    Brady is obviously more than 5 times better than Ben.

  38. thehaljordanproject says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:14 pm

    So once again your somehow giving team accomplishnents to an individual player? And then you use Brees as a comparison, would is hands down a better QB in every measureable way. Brady’s teams have been better across the board almost universaly throughout their careers, yet Brees out performs him in every catergory. So of course you need to use team stats or things you can’t actually measure to try to craft an argument that Brady’s better, cuz facts, stats, & logic won’t do it.

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    There are no individual stats for any football player out on that field. Quarterbacks don’t catch their own passes, they don’t block for themselves, and they don’t rush for over 80 yards each game. Passer-rating, passing yards, and completion percentage are all team statistics. You don’t get to choose what is or what isn’t. They’re all team stats. Brady wins either way in this discussion no matter what. When he has a trash defense ranked 31st in total yards given up and a scoring defense ranked 15th, he still found ways to win and to make it to Super Bowl XLVI.

    Running backs need linemen to block in order to pull off successful plays past the line of scrimmage. Kickers can’t make field-goals without good kick holders and receivers struggle to rack up those receptions and receiving yards without great quarterbacks. Brees has NOT outperformed Brady when he has thrown like 60 more interceptions than Brady has in his career despite playing in a dome stadium for most of his games. Look at Brees’ 7-6 playoff record and all-time W-L record on the road. If he gets credit for those quarterback stats, he gets “credit” for those road losses and interceptions thrown. That should speak for itself.

  39. kamthechancellor says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:26 pm
    SWFLPC.INC says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:39 pm
    kamthechancellor says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    Not impressed with this considering the division they’re in.

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    Go take a look at their record against your team’s division and you will find it is probably even better
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    If you had only scrolled down a little, you would have noticed the patsies actually struggle the most vs the NFC West.

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    That logic gets tossed out the window because of Super Bowl XLIX, though. That NFC West team is still 0-1 against Brady and the Patriots in the super bowl. The NFC West has proven to be one of the best divisions in football for quite some time, but it’s not so great this season. Who would honestly believe that Brady and Belichick wouldn’t learn to adapt playing in any other division in football, if they were ever relocated? They own real estate in the minds of so many players and coaches all across the league.

  40. What’s even funnier about these people complaining about the “competition” of the AFC EAST:

    1) the jets went to 2 consecutive AFC Championship games with a great defense in 09/10.
    2) we have swung and missed on high draft chips like Easley, Ros I Dowling, Darius Butler, Jermaine Cunningham, the idiot spikes, Trevor Price.
    3) WE DONT HAND PEOPLE MASSIVE CONTRACTS..like Mario Williams, Mike Wallace, and others.

  41. Weak minded people will claim its because the Fins Bills and Jets suck, yet those teams have often been decent and the AFCE has the 3rd highest winning percentage outside of division the last 15 years, with or without the division leaders included.

    The Pats have a .761 winning % against the NFC, and in general beat everyone about 3/4 of the time. There is only Miami and 2-3 other teams that have regularly done well against the Pats.

    Their dominance comes from being very well run and coached, not because the other 3 division teams are bad.

  42. True. But you have to note the amount of years STRAIGHT that the Patriots have outdone the annual team that challenges them: this year its Miami, last year it was Buffalo.

  43. Indeed. They have had done minor struggles when traveling to AFC West teams, and that’s one thing, as a Patriots fan, I admit.
    Strength wise, New England dominates southern teams. Think about: They NEVER lose to southern team in the playoffs without a fight.
    This is a respectable stat considering they are one of the northern most based teams in the country.

  44. Patsies get 7 byes every year so it’s easy to rest injured players so they can play against the good teams.

    Patriots have been guilty of 2 major cheating scandals that both affected the integrity of the game.

    So no it’s not that impressive since it’s all tainted.
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    Guilty? Where did you get that from Sherlock?

    And maybe I’m missing something, but how do you get 7 byes from playing 6 division games? Are you counting the playoff bye they get most years because they also win many other games, outside of just the 6 division ones?

  45. Playing in a flag football era and in a division with no good qbs throughout Bradys career And cheating scandals. Patriots are the most disgraceful and overrated team if all time. Cheated against the Raiders with the tuckrule, cheated against the rams, Eagles and panthers by recording their walk throughs and signals, referees helping brady move the chains whenever he’s shutdown or gets hit too hard, choking against Jakeplummer broncos in 06, choking against mark Sanchez and the jets in the playoffs at home in Foxborough, choking against eli and the Giants in the superbowl twice, choking against the Eagles last year. All these chokes in a flag football era that’s made to help qbs. Brady wouldn’t survive 5:seasons of nothing Montanas era of real football where qbs can get hit with the meanest nastiest hits ever and refs will not help you keep drives alive. Montana in today’s flag football era where qbs can’t be touched would have atleast 10 superbowl wins and a 25 year career.
    Best qbs of all time with era being a factor are
    1. Montana
    2. Bradshaw
    3. Elway
    4. Brady

  46. They are the premier organization in the NFL, with a HoF coach and quarterback to boot. Top to bottom they are outstanding.
    But you can’t discount the fact that their division consists of three historically dysfuntional organizations. Not just weak, but horrible.
    How much that factors into their success is debateable, but in the end is irrelevant.
    They win the games they should win, almost always.
    You are who your record says you are.

  47. Not true. I’m a Patriots fan, but I know that Brees has had his moments where his team has been physically, and, although hard to admit, mentally better team.
    Although it is the biggest highlight of Brady’s name: beating his older age, it gas taken a toll on New England.
    Note Brees has Michael Thomas, a top 5 NFL receiver, and Alvin Kamara, a well made superstar.

  48. As a head coach, Bill Belichick had a losing record in Cleveland and was fired for that. His only success as a head coach has been with Brady. When Brady retires, you can be sure Bill will be right on his coattails as he has the entire run…..he knows if he stays on, he’ll be exposed as the same coach he was prior to Brady….losing record.

  49. Follow Patsie fans. It’s NOT how well you’ve played outside the division. It’s the following:

    In the past 10 years ( 2009 – 2018 seasons):

    Miami has 1 winning season. One = Pathetic
    Buffalo has 2 winning seasons. Two = Pathetic
    Jets have 3 winning seasons. Three = Whatever. Two were in ’09-10 w Sanchez? ha ha.

    Both the 49ers and Hawks showed they could go into Gillette & beat the Pats during the 10 yr run (9ers in ’12 and Hawks in ’16) but Pats were LUCKY to only play those squads every 4 years. Hawks also beat the Pats at home in 2012. SB – we all know Beast gets the rock and it’s a Hawk sweep. Pats get 4 losses playing in the NFCw during 5 yrs ’12-16, are a WC team and never sniff the SB.

    The Pats win this division by default because the rest of the teams can’t even finish above .500.

  50. It helps that they’ve been in an absolutely horrible division with utterly incompetent teams for so long.

  51. handsofsteelheartofstone says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:41 pm
    put one other real team in that division and see what happens…what a joke

    This lame argument is all the CRYBABIES have left.

    What’s a “real division “

    Vs. the AFC:

    East: 77-21 (.785)
    North: 31-7 (.816)
    South: 39-7 (.848)
    West: 27-15 (.643

    They win against EVERY division

    Again why did we NEVER hear this lame argument when it came to Manning ? How many division titles did he win in the “tough “ AFC South?

  52. All tainted? I’m sorry but I beg to differ.
    Note that Tom Brady was NOT guilty of Deflategate. Spygate was an overally humiliating situation, but the Deflategate issue wasn’t fully taken in by most.
    A 3 time SB Champ cheating against an Indy team that didn’t deserve a spot in the playoffs? Why? Well Colts fans, you were ones to talk about the Pats having an easy division. It showed!
    Note that the MAJORITY of the points were scored in the 2nd half, when eyeballs were correctly inflated.

  53. Says a lot about the AFC East… I bet they haven’t had more then a couple of wildcard tams come out of that division over the years as well…..

  54. Brady wouldn’t survive 5:seasons of nothing Montanas era of real football where qbs can get hit with the meanest nastiest hits ever and refs will not help you keep drives alive. Montana in today’s flag football era where qbs can’t be touched would have atleast 10 superbowl wins and a 25 year career.
    Best qbs of all time with era being a factor are

    This is called revisionist history

    Brady plays in the same type of system Montana played in and Montana was was surrounded by HOF players
    And this false claim that you could “hold receivers “ down the field is crap.

    And those teams also didn’t have to deal with FA. Or salary cap.

  55. Not that it’s the Pats fault but, it’s pretty hard for the Pat’s not to win a crappy division. It says more about the other teams, and their decisions, than the Pats.

    That division has been pretty bad the past twenty years, save for a year here and there, with no consistent challengers.

  56. Easy when 8 of your games are gift wrapped wins because of new england “mystique” or in other words bought refs.

    Add another 2-3 road wins because of weak division rivals. They are spotted at least 10 wins a seasons.

  57. This is retrieved data from 2015 about which NFL division has had the most wins since 2001 from ‘For The Win.’ I could not find an article with updated data from 2016, 2017, or this current season. So, this will have to do.

    AFC North — 334 wins (8.35 wins per team per season)

    NFC East — 333 wins (8.33 wins per team)

    AFC East — 328 wins (8.2 wins per team)

    AFC South — 320 wins (8 wins per team)

    NFC South — 318 wins (7.95 wins per team)

    NFC North — 318 wins (7.95 wins per team)

    AFC West — 307 wins (7.68 wins per team)

    NFC West — 297 wins (7.43 wins per team)

    So, no, the AFC East is still not the worst division. It’s actually one of the best. The Jets and Bills have a history of having pretty good defenses. Rex Ryan’s defenses on the Jets were decent. I believe the Bills also have the best pass defense in the league this season.

  58. dynastypolice says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:43 pm
    As a head coach, Bill Belichick had a losing record in Cleveland and was fired for that. His only success as a head coach has been with Brady. When Brady retires, you can be sure Bill will be right on his coattails as he has the entire run…..he knows if he stays on, he’ll be exposed as the same coach he was prior to Brady….losing record.

    Again stupid argument

    Bill Walsh was 8-24 BEFORE he had Montana

    And there’s a lot more to What happened in Cleveland than the way you put it.

    He also went 11-5 in Cleveland and won a playoff game.
    Then the next season started 3-0 before his QB was lost for the year

    And then the team left to Baltimore and won A SB
    And Ozzie Newsome said “ Bill Belichick “laid the foundation for that SB”

  59. s. Brady wouldn’t survive 5:seasons of nothing Montanas era of real football where qbs can get hit with the meanest nastiest hits ever and refs will not help you keep drives alive. Montana in today’s flag football era where qbs can’t be touched would have atleast 10 superbowl wins and a 25 year career.
    ———
    Justin Tuck is on record saying Brady is the physically toughest QB he had ever faced. Michael Bennett and Von Miller are on record with similar comments. I think those 3 guys ought to know what they are talking about. 🙂

    Brady would do just fine in past eras. Probably just as well as today in fact. 🙂

  60. dynastypolice says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:43 pm
    “As a head coach, Bill Belichick had a losing record in Cleveland and was fired for that. “

    Wrong. 🙂

    “His only success as a head coach has been with Brady. “

    He took a Browns franchise that was devoid of talent and turned them into nearly a Super Bowl contender before Modell pulled the plug. In fact he set the soon to be Ravens up very nicely for one of the greatest defenses this league has ever seen.

    “When Brady retires, you can be sure Bill will be right on his coattails as he has the entire run…..he knows if he stays on, he’ll be exposed as the same coach he was prior to Brady….losing record.”

    I have no doubt Belichick would be great without Brady and vice versa. As a Pats fan I have no problem saying the Patriots success is thanks to both.

  61. & once again, the steelers almost never beat the belichick/brady patriots..so go ahead & throw them into the afc east..i guarantee they would almost never win..just like the bills, jets, fins.

  62. Inserts NFC West:
    Rams – Lost to the Atlanta Falcons as a 3 SEED.
    Seahawks – Won against a beat up Broncos team in the SB, but went on to give up a 10 put lead without answer to none other than New England.
    Cardinals – Let Holmes give you problems when you actually had a good quarterback in Kurt Warner.
    49ers – Wishes we just repeated 20th century clips over and over.

  63. The stats posted before about New England performance are wrong.

    Here is New England’s record vs. every division since the 2001 season:

    NFC East 13-3
    NFC North 17-3
    NFC South 12-4
    NFC West 15-5

    AFC West 24-13
    AFC South 27-8
    AFC North 26-7
    AFC East 83-23

    On average, the Patriots are getting 7.83 wins outside the AFC East every year. So even if they played in a “tough” division and only went .500, they’d still be winning 11 games a year.

    Oh and for those saying the Patriots “cheat” at home, they’ve won 70% of their road games since 2001.

  64. TheAgerLife says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:50 pm
    All tainted? I’m sorry but I beg to differ.
    Note that Tom Brady was NOT guilty of Deflategate. Spygate was an overally humiliating situation, but the Deflategate issue wasn’t fully taken in by most.
    A 3 time SB Champ cheating against an Indy team that didn’t deserve a spot in the playoffs? Why? Well Colts fans, you were ones to talk about the Pats having an easy division. It showed!
    Note that the MAJORITY of the points were scored in the 2nd half, when eyeballs were correctly inflated.

    ——
    There is nothing tainted whatsoever. Deflategate was completely fabricated amd spygate was an embellishment of something that was a common practice across the league. Which was shown on those tapes. There was a good reason why they were destroyed and it’s not because of the reason Patriot Hater would like to think it is.

    I will never acknowledge either as cheating and neither should Patriot fans nor anyone else.

  65. It is laughable how people will compare wins of quarterbacks. Football is the ultimate team sport. As a Saints fan, I know Brady is great. Is he the greatest of all time? Maybe but you can’t compare him to other quarterbacks unless they have the same defenses, lines, and skill positions. Brees has thrown more interceptions because he’s played from behind more often because he’s had to overcome 3 of the 4 worst defenses in the modern era. Brady has been clutch in a lot of games but he’s had defenses that have allowed him to not have to throw the ball 40 times a game just to keep up.

  66. On average, the Patriots are getting 7.83 wins outside the AFC East every year. So even if they played in a “tough” division and only went .500, they’d still be winning 11 games a year.
    ——
    The AFC East has had a representative in the conference championship game for 9 seasons in a row. You’d think if the division was weak the division champion would be exposed and eliminated quickly. I wonder why that hasn’t happened? 🙂

  67. UNTRUE STATEMENT ALERT!
    Inserts SB 39.
    Remember McNabb? Your sort of kind of almost decent quarterback?
    Yea we stopped him.

  68. Credit to Bill Belichick.
    Culture of accountability.
    He doesn’t get sentimental about his players. He can cut bait when performance and/or economics dictate and the brilliance to scheme around weak spots. In the eyes of others, Many of their players probably wouldn’t start for other teams but he figures out what the players can do schematically (must have high football IQ) and maximizes whatever talent they have. Their schemes create hesitation bu making many plays look the same and through this they can make a “C+” player a “B” player and so on. Brady definitely a big part of this but make no mistake it’s Belichick’s genius because if it wasn’t other teams with great QBs would have the same success. Parcells and Belichick both believed if you have a smart team, many of your opponents would give the game away in the 4th qtr through mistakes of their own doing and it’s so true. The environment is tough for the players who can’t commit and handle tough coaching and moreover accountability. Players who buy-in, stay and have their friends around the league playing in January every year.

  69. The Jets and Bills have a history of having pretty good defenses.
    __________________________________________________________________
    Very True, but they have never had a good qb in that division since the 90’s, Jim Kelly, Marino…. Even Joe Flacco looks like a Hall of Famer in that divsion despite winning a superbowl that was practically handed to him.

  70. Patsie fans think Deflategate was fabricated.

    Grigsass said it was common knowledge the Pats let air out of the balls

    A guy named the deflator took the balls into a restroom w/o approval then lied about it and said he used a urinal that didn’t exist

    The deflator texted “help the deflator out, I need new kicks, I’m not going to ESPN yet

    Brady lies and didn’t fully cooperate

    The Pats didn’t fully cooperate

    There’s so much more but just the above is enough circumstantial evidence that Brady cheated

    Carry on delusional Cheatriot homer

  71. g it must be nice being in a division where if you’re 6-6, or 7-4 you actually have a chance of winning it…try being in the afc east the past 20 years where you almost automatically start out at 0-2 & a 10-6 or 9-7 record gets you nothing but a 3 or 4 game 2nd place finish.

  72. But if Brees goes 50-0 in his next 50 games, and Brady goes 0-50 in his next 50 games, Brady will still have a better career record.

    “What happens if I go 0-50?”
    — Hue Jackson

  73. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 2:22 pm
    The Jets and Bills have a history of having pretty good defenses.
    __________________________________________________________________
    Very True, but they have never had a good qb in that division since the 90’s, Jim Kelly, Marino…. Even Joe Flacco looks like a Hall of Famer in that divsion despite winning a superbowl that was practically handed to him.
    ——
    You don’t need a top QB to beat the Patriots. You need the right kind of defense. And coach. Which explains why the Jets got to them more than once in big games over the years. And the Steelers despite a great QB and offense did a lot less so.

  74. In a shocking development, you all rekindle your tiresome, blind love/hate Patriots banter. So here’s the truth.

    1. This is a great accomplishment. Congrats, Patriots.
    2. The Patriots have played in a pretty weak division throughout the run. Lots of teams who can’t get it together or boff on draft picks or just aren’t really well run.

    Your welcome.

  75. Flash1287 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:59 pm

    dynastypolice says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:43 pm

    As a head coach, Bill Belichick had a losing record in Cleveland and was fired for that. His only success as a head coach has been with Brady. When Brady retires, you can be sure Bill will be right on his coattails as he has the entire run…..he knows if he stays on, he’ll be exposed as the same coach he was prior to Brady….losing record.

    Again stupid argument

    Bill Walsh was 8-24 BEFORE he had Montana

    And there’s a lot more to What happened in Cleveland than the way you put it.

    He also went 11-5 in Cleveland and won a playoff game.
    Then the next season started 3-0 before his QB was lost for the year

    And then the team left to Baltimore and won A SB
    And Ozzie Newsome said “ Bill Belichick “laid the foundation for that SB”

    _________________________________________________________________

    Belichick was on the verge of building something special in Cleveland. The team then relocated to Baltimore and became the 2000 Ravens’ championship team. There’s no doubt that Belichick is one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. However, I can’t rank him higher than Vince Lombardi for a few reasons. First, he got out-coached twice against Tom Coughlin in Super Bowls XLII and XLVI. Then, he got out-coached against Doug Pederson in Super Bowl LII and allowed his defense to score 41 points on them. He’s supposed to be a “defensive-minded” coach. He did not play Malcolm Butler for even one down of that super bowl game.

    Second, he was close to being fired on the Patriots for coaching the team to a 5-11 season in 2000 with Drew Bledsoe, who retired as a 4-time pro-bowler and a 1st round draft pick. The 2001 Patriots started the season 0-2 and articles were surfacing on the Internet that the Patriots’ organization almost had enough. Brady saved Belichick’s job whether or not people will admit it. Imagine if Belichick had Troy Brown, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Mike Vrabel, Tedy Bruschi, or Willie McGinest on today’s roster…

  76. First, the Pats rarely sweep divisional games as they always lose a game or two to Miami or Jets. And that’s just winning 4 or 5 games but they STILL have to win 6 or 7 more games to get a first round bye. Just look at this year. They beat division leader teams like the Bears, Chiefs, and Texans. This notion that they win because of the division they are in is false argument. If they’re not deserving their division title, they still have to face the best teams in the conference during the playoff and yet they win or at least make it to the AFC conference championship game every year.

    Let’s face it, they just win, whether you like them or not!

  77. Poppy123 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 2:13 pm
    It is laughable how people will compare wins of quarterbacks. Football is the ultimate team sport. As a Saints fan, I know Brady is great. Is he the greatest of all time? Maybe but you can’t compare him to other quarterbacks unless they have the same defenses, lines, and skill positions. Brees has thrown more interceptions because he’s played from behind more often because he’s had to overcome 3 of the 4 worst defenses in the modern era. Brady has been clutch in a lot of games but he’s had defenses that have allowed him to not have to throw the ball 40 times a game just to keep up
    ——-
    Brady pretty much singlehandedly took the Patriots to the Super Bowl in 11 and last season with some really wretched defenses. The idea that Brady gets a great defense every year is a myth. The Patriots defense hasn’t been what I consider great in almost a decade and a half.

    How else are you going to compare QBs in different eras? You can’t compare stats and you know why. Wins and rings are a comparison against your peers, other QBs who are benefiting by the same rules today that favor passing.

  78. How do you explain the Patriots being 11-2 against the Steelers since Ben came along?
    ___________________________________________________________________________________
    Thats easy! spygate…deflategate….next question.

  79. I have to laugh at all those that claim it’s because the Pats play in a soft division, well that doesn’t explain all of the AFC Championships where they had to play the best the AFC had to offer or the 5 SBs where they beat the best team in the NFC also!

    OH BTW why didn’t anyone ever mention Peyton getting a free-pass to the playoffs every single year when he was in Indy, he played in a far softer division than the AFC East, actually it was the weakest division I’ve ever seen in my life, he had the Titans, Jags and Texans and they were all ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE at that time? But you never heard a peep about that!

    OH and for those that want to claim the Pats cheat, well EVERY TEAM HAS CHEATED! Don’t believe it, go look it up @ ( yourteamcheats.com ), there isn’t one team in the NFL that hasn’t been caught cheating. And what about the 49er’s cheating the cap to win those 5 SBs during the 1980’s and 1990’s, why doesn’t anyone ever bring that up? Selective memory, some of you only remember what you want to remember to try and validate your point of view, sorry but it doesn’t work with me!

    One other thing, I’m not a Pats fan but I do realize greatness when I see it and what Brady and the Pats have done over the last 20yrs in this era of football where the deck is stacked against any team haveing a run like this is nothing short of AMAZING!!!

  80. What the pats have done is amazing. No question about it. But you’re comparing apples to oranges. It’s easier to get 5 of 5 questions right on an exam and score 100 than 90 of 90 right. That being said, the north has murdered the east this year.

  81. A Steeler’s fan explains the Pats domination over his Steelers by 2 things : spygate (taping 10 feet out of position) which occurred September 9, 2007and Deflategate ( Mother Nature naturally causing footballs to lose pressure) which never occurred!
    So the only logical explanation is Trippy!!

  82. 1phillyphan says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    TB12 in my opinion is the GOAT, no doubt about it. His 16 titles is incredible and will NEVER be topped but, there is one spot on his resume. TB12 vs NFC East in Superbowls 0-3

    _____________________________________________________________

    Did you forget all about Super Bowl XXXIX between the Patriots and Eagles? The Patriots are 1-3 against the Giants and Eagles in the super bowl. However, the Patriots have still had a winning record against both franchises since 2001. Currently, I believe the Patriots are 4-2 against the Eagles with Brady. Their first loss was back in 2015 with Chip Kelly at Gillette Stadium and their second loss was in Super Bowl LII. The Patriots have had their struggles against the NFC East, but the only places where they’ve struggled to win in the NFL is in Denver against the Broncos and in Miami against the Dolphins.

  83. 1phillyphan says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:10 pm

    TB12 in my opinion is the GOAT, no doubt about it. His 16 titles is incredible and will NEVER be topped but, there is one spot on his resume. TB12 vs NFC East in Superbowls 0-3
    ——
    1-3. 🙂

  84. tomterrific121212 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:55 pm
    same argument every year.

    patriots beat the 1st place Texans, Chiefs, and Bears this year.

    O and they beat the vikings, colts, and packers, who are having down years but are being mentioned
    —————————————————————————————–

    All but one of those games were at home…

  85. I wonder what everyone’s excuse is going to be when the Jets and Bills build around Darnold and Allen and the Patriots are still succesful. That’s not even a shot at those two teams, their QB’s are going to be great. But let’s not act like Belichick is just going to give up when that time comes.

  86. Here is the deal. No matter what division the Patriots were in all these years they would have dominated the same as they have in the AFC East. The Patriots specialize in planning week to week. Take a look at their record against all divisions. I rest my cased.

    In the Super Bowl it comes down to “on any given Sunday….”

    So quit with the whining already.

  87. Such a tired narrative on how the AFC is is awful and blah blah blah. Yes, the Jets are a train wreck now, but the others have all been to the playoffs in that stretch. Can’t say that for the other AFC divisions and especially the AFC North. Baltimore is not competent, Cincy is a joke, and Cleveland is well, Cleveland. The AFC West has had flashes from every team, but there is always at least one terrible team in that division. Same goes for the AFC South. The NFC falls into the same category.

    The Pats are consistently good and it isn’t because of the division. It is because of the consistency at the most important positions: Head coach and QB.

  88. The Patriots have beaten 4 teams currently with a winning record. I believe that is more than any other team at least in the AFC.

    Patriot Hater can stick their whining about the AFC East and zip it. 🙂

  89. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 8, 2018 at 2:41 pm
    Poppy123 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 2:13 pm
    It is laughable how people will compare wins of quarterbacks. Football is the ultimate team sport. As a Saints fan, I know Brady is great. Is he the greatest of all time? Maybe but you can’t compare him to other quarterbacks unless they have the same defenses, lines, and skill positions. Brees has thrown more interceptions because he’s played from behind more often because he’s had to overcome 3 of the 4 worst defenses in the modern era. Brady has been clutch in a lot of games but he’s had defenses that have allowed him to not have to throw the ball 40 times a game just to keep up
    ——-
    Brady pretty much singlehandedly took the Patriots to the Super Bowl in 11 and last season with some really wretched defenses. The idea that Brady gets a great defense every year is a myth. The Patriots defense hasn’t been what I consider great in almost a decade and a half.

    How else are you going to compare QBs in different eras? You can’t compare stats and you know why. Wins and rings are a comparison against your peers, other QBs who are benefiting by the same rules today that favor passing.

    4 1 Rate This
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    Laughable.

    He was horrible in Nov and Dec in 2011, as his int rate was spiking, and atrocious in the ‘11 title game.

    The D won each the 2007 and 2011 title games in spite of awful Brady in those games, with the d outperforming the offense in an offensive league, both times.

    I know you are a diehhard like me, but don’t recvise history due to constantly wearing your Brady goggles.

    BB drafted and groomed Brady. When the greatest def mind ever is giving you the answers to the tests, everyday, so to speak, that is one big help for your career.

  90. You forgot to mention that they’ve won 10 straight in the perennially worst division in the AFC

  91. Laughable.

    He was horrible in Nov and Dec in 2011, as his int rate was spiking, and atrocious in the ‘11 title game.

    The D won each the 2007 and 2011 title games in spite of awful Brady in those games, with the d outperforming the offense in an offensive league, both times.

    I know you are a diehhard like me, but don’t recvise history due to constantly wearing your Brady goggles.

    BB drafted and groomed Brady. When the greatest def mind ever is giving you the answers to the tests, everyday, so to speak, that is one big help for your career.
    ——-
    Brady had a very good year in 11. He posted a career high in yards and 8.6 yards per pass attempt. When the defense is getting roasted by the likes of Rex Grossman, Chad Henne, Fitz, Vince Young and Dan Orlovsky and you get to the SB anyway and nearly win it that’s a very good indicator that your QB got you there.

    Also Brady was not atrocious in the title game. He didn’t have his best game and made one bad decision (the safety) but that does not make it atrocious. Unfortunately the defense was in no position to carry him like he did to get them there.

  92. I’m amused by the bobos trying to denigrate 11 straight division championships. I did however anticipate the questionable arguments they’d put out there though.

    Have to give ’em their due … because they still have to win the games – and the other guys happen to get paid too.

    Go Pack!

  93. redandgoldhitman52 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:41 pm

    Best qbs of all time with era being a factor are
    1. Montana
    2. Bradshaw
    3. Elway
    4. Brady

    >>>I just love the way you bring up the Pats cheating against this team or that team and then you rank Montana as the best QB, SERIOUSLY?
    You do know the 49er’s cheated the cap every single year Montana was with them, he even said so himself, but you don’t bring that up, WHY? I mean it was well known but no one ever remembers or brings that into the conversation. They should have had to give up every one of those Lombardi’s! I always said back then “there’s no way the 49er’s have all that talent and are under the cap” and guess what, they weren’t! Over ten years the 49er’s cheated and it took the NFL over ten(10) years to figure it out, I think they just turned a blind eye to it, just like so many people including you are doing now days!

  94. Since realignment the Pats are 71-19, .788 winning percentage in the AFCE. Outside the AFCE, against the rest of the NFL, they are 118-32, .786 winning percentage. Virtually identical. Conclusion: Put the Pats in any division you want. It would make no difference. They’re just that good, and that dominant. Find another excuse. And please, try to be creative for a change.

  95. Put New England in any other division, I mean ANY, and you wouldn’t see the same results! No discussion. There’s 3 Cleveland Browns in the AFC Least, as another commenter posted!!! Let’s continue to ignore that like we have for seventeen years!

  96. Tom Brady is the 2nd best QB of all time to me behind Joe Monatana ( Montana in an era where QB’s werent protected & the passing game rules werent rigged against defenses to give offenses huge advantages which is why I believe Joe’s da GOAT) who is my 1A and Tom Brady is my 1B GOAT QB & Brady has had an absolutely legendary career. All great things must come to an end though as Tom Brady finally at age 41 is showing signs of age and is slowing down. I personally am wondering if this is Tom Brady’s last season, if they win the SB he likely definitely walks away after this year.

    This years QB Class is weak but i’m kinda thinking the Patriots might draft a guy pretty high this season to start grooming behind Brady. Brady has at most another season left before he retires, I could see NE drafting a guy to start grooming behind Brady before he hangs them up. Their are a couple QB’s in this class who fit the mold of what NE looks for and wants in a QB, in the last class QB Josh Rosen fit that mold to a T and Belicheck was extremely high on him but NE would of had to give up way to much to get up that to pick him. I wouldnt be surprised at all if New England stayed put at the end of round 1 & picked up Duke QB Daniel Jones if he falls to them. Jones need to develop a bit more before starting but in New England he could do that and with the right coaching he could be very good.

  97. Questions about the strength of the division arw legit. Since 2010 the Dolphins, Jets, and Bills have combined for 4 winning seasons. Also, how many wild card berths from those teams in that time? Outside of NE, the AFCE has been less than mediocre for the a long time.

    That’s not taking anything away from the quality of the Patriots. However, there are a number of other divisions where NE wpuod have been challenged for a division title over the past decade.

  98. Name one of these mighty teams that would beat the Patriots regularly if they were in the East. Please.

  99. hawkkiller says: December 8, 2018 at 3:36 pm:
    “Tom Brady is the 2nd best QB of all time to me behind Joe Monatana ( Montana in an era where QB’s werent protected & the passing game rules werent rigged against defenses to give offenses huge advantages which is why I believe Joe’s da GOAT)”

    =============

    There were 28 teams back then, so the same rules applied to 27 quarterbacks but Montana did NOT win as much as Brady in his era. You can NOT compare across generations. You can ONLY compare how they dominate in their era. Brady won more and has the stats to back it up too so he’s greater to me. Whether he’s the greatest of ALL time is no concern to me. All I believe in is that Brady is better than Montana.

  100. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    How do you explain the Patriots being 11-2 against the Steelers since Ben came along?
    ___________________________________________________________________________________
    Thats easy! spygate…deflategate….next question.

    ———-

    Actually there is a better answer: Mike Tomlin

  101. dynastypolice says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:43 pm
    As a head coach, Bill Belichick had a losing record in Cleveland and was fired for that. His only success as a head coach has been with Brady. When Brady retires, you can be sure Bill will be right on his coattails as he has the entire run…..he knows if he stays on, he’ll be exposed as the same coach he was prior to Brady….losing record.
    _________________________________________
    BB won the SB in 2001 with Brady acting a game manager in his first year as a starter. That team won with defense, special teams, a running game and creating turnovers. In the AFCCG vs the Steelers that year, Drew Bledsoe played all of the 2nd half b/c Brady suffered an ankle injury near the of the 2nd qtr. The Pats scored 24 points in that game but the offense only scored 10 points, a Bledsoe TD pass and a field goal, while ST scored the other 14. Troy Brown returned a punt for one TD and returned a blocked punt for the other. Brady wasn’t responsible for any of the points in that game. Brady started the drive that resulted in a TD but the ball was on the Pats 32 when he was injured. The 2003 and 2004 SB teams had one of the NFL’s best defenses while Brady was better he really didn’t become really good until 2006 and great in 2007.

  102. Apparently some of you are a little too young to remember when the Patriots were just an afterthought on the schedule. Almost an automatic win! They’ve had a good run, but that will end eventually once the “cheaters” retire. GO BILLS!

  103. It’s a very impressive streak. Was it aided by their poo division, yes, but you dont have that kind of run on luck alone. They’ve been legit for a long time.

  104. kamthechancellor says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:33 pm
    Not impressed with this considering the division they’re in.
    Xxxxxxxxxxxxcfcc

    Stop! Just stop! Look at their record outside the division where they normally play a 1st place schedule

  105. @Goodellmustgo

    Brady pretty much singlehandedly took the Patriots to the Super Bowl in 11 and last season with some really wretched defenses. The idea that Brady gets a great defense every year is a myth. The Patriots defense hasn’t been what I consider great in almost a decade and a half.

    How else are you going to compare QBs in different eras? You can’t compare stats and you know why. Wins and rings are a comparison against your peers, other QBs who are benefiting by the same rules today that favor passing.
    ___________________

    It is not a myth. For example – the same year that the Pats ranked 31st in total yards the Saints ranked 32nd. What was the big difference? The Pats defense was 17th in points allowed so they were stopping teams in the red zone, where it matters most. The Saints on the other hand were 32nd. A statistical analysis was done by a local reporter in New Orleans. Over the same period that Tom Brady has played for the Patriots and Drew Brees has played for the Saints, the Saints would had to have a cumulative team scoring average of 37.9 points per game for 13 years. Tom Brady, WHILE I ACKNOWLEDGE HE IS GREAT, has never had to lead his offense to a score every time he has stepped on the field like Brees has had to do.

  106. Look, it’s impressive. Nobody can take that away from them. That’s just the reality of it. The reality of it is also, with that considered, that the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins have been less than stellar teams as well. The Dolphins have been average, at times at least, but the Bills and Jets have not been good outside of two random years with Rex Ryan.

    Part of the reason for that lack of success is the presence of the Patriots. Part of it is because of incompetence on the part of other teams. Of course the Patriots have a worse record against their division opponents. That is because of familiarity. It’s the same reason the Atlanta Falcons spoiled Carolina’s perfect season a few years ago, or the Jags held Andrew Luck and the Colts to 6 points earlier this year.

    The real reason that the Patriots are an all time great dynasty is not that they’ve clinched their division so many times. It’s how they perform in the postseason and against top tier opponents. With all due respect to Pats fans, their division is pretty bad-since Brady and Belichick began their partnership, their AFC East rivals have won a total of three playoff games-two of them with Rex Ryan and the Jets, and the other in 2004 (also the Jets). I guess what I’m saying is that noone’s really surprised by this headline, even though historically we will see it as being very significant, because we expect it to happen every year. This isn’t what impresses me, I’d say-the impressive things are the other things, like the record in December, the home record, the playoff record, stuff like that.

  107. The “but they play in a weak division” argument, besides being factually inaccurate, is just lazy.

    Don’t just point to the AFC East and say, “That’s why.” Try finding a stat. You can’t.

  108. Steve Cunningham says:
    December 8, 2018 at 3:26 pm

    >>>I just love the way you bring up the Pats cheating against this team or that team and then you rank Montana as the best QB, SERIOUSLY?
    You do know the 49er’s cheated the cap every single year Montana was with them, he even said so himself, but you don’t bring that up, WHY?
    ———————————————-

    No one brings it up because it did not happen. The salary cap was enacted in 1994, Montana played his last game as a Niner in 1992. The Niners cheated in multiple ways during Montana’s tenure (Walsh, Montana and Rice all admitted to different cheats) but you’ve got to have a heck of an imagination to have heard Joe Cool admit to something that could not conceivably have happened.

  109. Almost the entire time Peyton Manning was with the Colts he played in the absolute worst division the NFL has ever seen in the SB era, BUT I NEVER HEARD A WORD ABOUT THAT!!!!!

    Man talk about getting a FREE-PASS to the playoffs every year!

  110. How much do you think Montana liked flinging the ball in the general dirction of the admitted “mr.stickem”, Jerry Rice???

  111. The real story is how pathetic the rest of the division has been for 10 years. It’s kinda like Henry’s big game the other night. The real story is how embarrassingly awful the Jags were at tackling. Seriously, I haven’t seen defense that bad ever and I’ve been watching the NFL for 30+ years.

  112. The three stooges (Bills, Fins, Jets) have accounted for about 18 different HC’s and 45 different starting QB’s since 2001. It’s easy to dominate when you are a paragon of stability in a sea of instability.

  113. I’d like to point out that while NE did not advance to the playoffs in 02 and 08 they did tie for the division lead. So the last time a team other than NE won the East clean was 2000. That was the last and only year under Belichick that they had a losing record.

  114. kamthechancellor says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:26 pm

    If you had only scrolled down a little, you would have noticed the patsies actually struggle the most vs the NFC West.
    ————————————

    Thank you for illustrating just how very good those “patsies” have been by pointing out that for them a ‘struggle’ is represented by a winning % that would still equate to double digit win seasons if they played there WHILE REMAINING LOCATED ON THE EAST COAST. Think about that, they would ‘struggle’ to 10+ wins a year, so tell us who exactly the patsies really are?

    Yeah, that bro is still mad

  115. Only 141 posts as of 1504 EST 12/8. Most of them whining about the AFC East being weak. Then of course, there are more than a few whining about cheating. Oh, and then there are quite a few whining about them being Rodger’s darling pets. I’m not a Pats fan per se but there’s no doubt Belichick and Brady are among the best to ever do this NFL thing. The organization is top shelf, year in and year out. Their dedication to excellence is obvious.

  116. Funny that people think the AFC East is weak when those so called weak teams beat the Vikings and Bears into the dust. Plus I find it especially funny that a Colts fan would talk considering they got whooped by the Jets.

  117. The two times they finished second it was because they lost a tiebreaker. They would have won it in 2008 the year Bernard Pollard’s cheap shot took out Brady’s knee. They are really working on 15 in a row.

  118. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 2:45 pm
    How do you explain the Patriots being 11-2 against the Steelers since Ben came along?
    ___________________________________________________________________________________
    Thats easy! spygate…deflategate….next question.

    —————————
    Nah, you be trippin man

  119. Even with the Patriots laying a couple of losses on the other teams in their division every year, that division still finishes second I believe in winning percentage against all the other divisions. Those who claim the AFC East is a doormat only do so because the Patriots dominate it, but when looking at winning percentages the AFC East clearly is more competitive against all the other divisions than most every other division.

  120. Don’t just point to the AFC East and say, “That’s why.” Try finding a stat. You can’t.

    Yes you can…what team other than the Pats have won a Super bowl from that pathetic group they play against……the Phins were the last and most of the Patsie fanboys weren’t alive yet except for the Comment Warrior aka as the faux veteran.

  121. limitfive says:
    December 8, 2018 at 4:09 pm
    As much as I don’t like the fins, I hate the Pats even more. I’m pulling for the fins to keep the Pats out of the win column. GO BILLS!

    ******

    There’s nothing quite like the bond created by mutual inferiority.

  122. Brady One win away …..

    There fixed it. When 12 is gone the balance to that division will return. He is that good.

  123. These people whining about the Patriots playing in a weak division, do you guys want the Patriots in YOUR division? I bet NOT.

  124. eaglesmaina says:
    December 8, 2018 at 5:11 pm
    More impressive:

    Montana novkisses in a super bowl. And defenses were allowed to cover them.

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    I don’t know about you but I think 5 gold medals and 3 silvers is much better than just 4 gold medals and 0 silvers.

    🙂

  125. Thetruthspeaks says:
    December 8, 2018 at 2:23 pm
    Patsie fans think Deflategate was fabricated.

    Grigsass said it was common knowledge the Pats let air out of the balls

    A guy named the deflator took the balls into a restroom w/o approval then lied about it and said he used a urinal that didn’t exist

    The deflator texted “help the deflator out, I need new kicks, I’m not going to ESPN yet

    Brady lies and didn’t fully cooperate

    The Pats didn’t fully cooperate

    There’s so much more but just the above is enough circumstantial evidence that Brady cheated

    Carry on delusional Cheatriot homer
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    Tee hee 🙂 This level of delusion really does make me giggle! 🙂

  126. Nofoolnodrool says:
    December 8, 2018 at 5:41 pm
    Don’t just point to the AFC East and say, “That’s why.” Try finding a stat. You can’t.

    Yes you can…what team other than the Pats have won a Super bowl from that pathetic group they play against……the Phins were the last and most of the Patsie fanboys weren’t alive yet except for the Comment Warrior aka as the faux veteran.

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    That’s funny coming from a fan of a team that plays in a division that boats two teams that have never won a SB and one that had never even sniffed a SB.

  127. well afterall they are the greatest dynasty in sports led by the GOAT coach/gm and GOAT qb. I think we all agree on that and if not, well facts are stubborn things.

  128. Is it my imagination but in reviewing the Patriots schedule it looks like most of their toughest scheduled games are home games…too…they rarely seem to play very good teams on the west coast…who is responsible for these schedules?

  129. You know what the best part of this whole things.That fans of other teams bitch about the Patriots all the time yet regardless of how they feel the Patriots have won their division 10 straight years. No other team in NFL history can say that. So while fans of other teams keep crying about the Pats they keep winning and no matter what anyone says about it they’ve still won their division 10 straight years. Oh ya and they’ve 5 Super Bowls as well. Don’t forget about that crybabies

  130. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 8, 2018 at 6:24 pm

    I don’t know about you but I think 5 gold medals and 3 silvers is much better than just 4 gold medals and 0 silvers.
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    No, no, no, you obviously aren’t looking at things correctly. Failing to get to the big game 75% of the time is much better than failing to get there 50% of the time. (I only know this because I read it here all the time)

  131. I love all of the “they play in a Crap division” The Fact is: The Patriots have a BETTER WINNING PERCENTAGE against the REST of the NFL than they do against the AFC East!!! They’ve been doing it against EVERYONE!! Ok haters….Commence!!

  132. paul82461 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 1:09 pm
    Its not the point the Patriots are a good team, its the point they are in a weak division that gives them 7 out of 8 wins each and every year.
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    A pretty good trick since you only play 6 divisional games…

  133. Is it my imagination but in reviewing the Patriots schedule it looks like most of their toughest scheduled games are home games…too…they rarely seem to play very good teams on the west coast…who is responsible for these schedules?

    ***

    Bob Kraft

  134. Its so funny when you bring up spygate and deflategate pats fans look the other way Like it didnt happen. And it did. They were docked draft picks and fined by the commissioner of the NFL….and why…. because they did things illegally and not the right way.

  135. >>>I just love the way you bring up the Pats cheating against this team or that team and then you rank Montana as the best QB, SERIOUSLY?
    You do know the 49er’s cheated the cap every single year Montana was with them, he even said so himself, but you don’t bring that up, WHY?
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    No one brings it up because it did not happen. The salary cap was enacted in 1994, Montana played his last game as a Niner in 1992. The Niners cheated in multiple ways during Montana’s tenure (Walsh, Montana and Rice all admitted to different cheats) but you’ve got to have a heck of an imagination to have heard Joe Cool admit to something that could not conceivably have happened.
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    It was Denver that cheated the cap, especially during their two Super Bowl years in the 90s, not the 49ers.

  136. do you guys want the Patriots in YOUR division? I bet NOT.
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    Actually to be honest, if the patriots were in another division it would be much different. The fact the afc least has had NO DECENT qbs for the last decade is all you need to know.

  137. Going back to the 2001 season, the Jets have started a total of 10 different qbs, the Bills 17, and the Dolphins 20! For those keeping count, that’s a total of forty-seven quarterbacks who started for their respective teams in the AFC East from 2001, to present day, going up against New England who in that same time span have started, 4, maybe 5 qb’s total? If you don’t think that has anything to do with NE’s “dominance” then you should probably switch sports, or consider how young you probably are because you probably haven’t a clue about the time prior to 2001 when New England was trash and you couldn’t PAY folks to go to those games. It’s okay, there’s plenty of front-running, root for the winner fans like yourself.

    But by all means, continue to tell us how difficult and impossible it is to play in that sorry, pathetic division. Again, if NE played in ANY other division, any at all, no WAY they have the same success! Not a chance. No discussion.

  138. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 7:59 pm

    Actually to be honest, if the patriots were in another division it would be much different.
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    You’re right. New England’s .833 win % against the charmin soft AFCN would have them on cruise control by the beginning of December every year whereas their .798 against the AFCE often keeps that from happening until the middle of the month.

  139. The other teams in the division are dysfunctional BECAUSE of the Patriots. Miami was one of the league’s preeminent teams for decades under Shula. New York is the largest sports market. Only Buffalo can be questioned for being a small market team that never won a title (though they had a four year run in the 90s most teams cannot claim).

    The division also has far from the worst record against the league during Brady’s tenure.

  140. When the Commissioner went as far as he did with what we all accept now to be the faux scandal in DEFLATEGATE, I went back and began to question the validity of SPYGATE and upon further review determined it was no big deal and the punishment was excessive. Clearly the NFL League Office has it in for the Patriots.

  141. The NFC South is composed of teams other divisions could afford to cut loose. The Bucs were once the worst team in an NFC Central that aleady had a perennially poor Lions team. The Falcons and Saints were once the laughingstocks of the NFC West. And Carolina is an expansion club with a JV highschool nickname.

    What a division.

  142. handsofsteelheartofstone says:
    December 8, 2018 at 12:41 pm
    put one other real team in that division and see what happens…what a joke
    ____________________________________
    Which team would you suggest, New England’s done pretty good against all of them!

  143. it’s only a matter of time before we start finding out more of the strategies for ‘win at ALL COSTS.’ just a matter of time, patriots fans. I know you hate these comments, but you know there’s truth to them and it makes you sweat knowing that someday, all those wins could be wiped out from history.

    just a matter of time…enjoy your run and glory because the fall from grace will be unlike anything sports has ever seen before.

  144. Yea, it helps to be in a division where 3 of the teams have mostly had inept general managers & head coaches for 15 years – so the pats can pencil in 5-6 wins just about every year just from their division – meaning they can LITERALLY go .500 with everyone else to win 10 games. So, they are lucky also, and you don;t have to be all that smart – pretty much every other division has at least 1 other pretty good team at the same time or soetimes its hard to separate all the teams in a division – so, it’s nice to be smarter than the idiots in your dvision but it’s kind of like being Boise State is best in their conference, its not much.

  145. In 2008 they lost the division due to the 3rd or 4th tiebraker. In 2002, it was a three way tie. They haven’t lost the division outright since 2000.

  146. AFCE generally has the most W’s of any division for the 2-4 teams. This year might be an exception, but in general, very competitive. That said, the Patriots are that far out ahead, and would be in any division.

  147. It’s not so much the strength of NE as it is the weakness of the division. The teams in the AFC East that NE has to complete against rarely exceed .500! What a joke the Phins, Bills and Jets are.

    Go Phins (get a coach)

    Dan Campbell for Head Coach!
    Fins-up!

  148. frodoftw7 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 11:43 pm
    “Which team would you suggest, New England’s done pretty good against all of them!”

    The New York Giants.

    ——
    The same team that’s 0-1 against the Patriots in the last 6 seasons? Them? 🙂

  149. so the pats can pencil in 5-6 wins just about every year just from their division –
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    And yet they’ve only won 6 games twice and 5 games 3 or so times in this entire run. That’s an odd thing to label “about every year”, yes? 🙂

  150. steelcurtainn says:
    December 8, 2018 at 7:59 pm
    do you guys want the Patriots in YOUR division? I bet NOT.
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    Actually to be honest, if the patriots were in another division it would be much different. The fact the afc least has had NO DECENT qbs for the last decade is all you need to know.

    ———————-
    They still get wins against other divisions though.

  151. philvil41 says:
    December 8, 2018 at 8:56 pm

    Cheaters

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    31 teams benefited from cheating when Roger Goodell stole draft picks from the Patriots.
    31 teams supported this cheating while begging for league parity.

    Those stolen players did not get to play against the Eagles in Superbowl LII.
    The Patriots will never get to trade the players that were stolen.
    The Patriots will never receive compensatory draft picks when the stolen players leave during free agency.
    That cheating will continue to hurt the Patriots for years to come.

    Roger Goodell is still hiding the PSI report that was created during the 2015 NFL season.
    The NFL was quick to collect PSI measurements when they wanted to prove that cold weather does not drop the air pressure in footballs. The NFL was quick to hide the PSI results when science proved them wrong.

  152. The AFC East has the fewest one and dimes by the division champion this century.

    Huh. Go figure!

    🙂

  153. endtimesparty says:
    December 8, 2018 at 9:35 pm
    When the Commissioner went as far as he did with what we all accept now to be the faux scandal in DEFLATEGATE, I went back and began to question the validity of SPYGATE and upon further review determined it was no big deal and the punishment was excessive. Clearly the NFL League Office has it in for the Patriots.
    ==============================

    That’s a connection most people don’t or won’t make. Some are willing to admit deflategate was a farce, but still cling to the notion that spygate was handled fairly and correctly, which makes not sense.

    If you find out that an organization lied and fabricated evidence to falsely incriminate someone, you should be skeptical of past decisions by that organization.

  154. So you believe that they suspended Brady & upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this? Cheaters lie about what they do. Over and over. Until there is concrete evidence and they are caught once and for all. He could have admitted what he did, apologize and did all he could to make amends. But instead he stuck to his lies, let others take the blame, tried to convince people he was railroaded and this upstanding guy who would never. He has no remorse which is why respect is difficult for so many to hold for the talent he does really have. It’s why he’s never going to live it down. Playing stupid would have even been a better choice. He has no idea how many people would have been upset but respected him for being honest and trying to somehow fix what he did. He continued to try to beat the system and fight a battle he had no business in fighting because of what he did. There ended up being more damage to him because of the continued lies and lack of any remorse. He could be the greatest guy in the world but the second he committed a wrong he had to own it when caught. He didn’t. He still hasn’t. He never will. He blew his own reputation and list a lot because of it. He doesn’t have to care so he doesn’t. That’s the arrogance. I get standing by your team but not when they do things they have been clearly caught doing and is wrong on so many levels

  155. So you believe that they suspended Brady & upheld the appeal when they knew for a fact he did nothing wrong? You seriously believe this? Cheaters lie about what they do. Over and over.
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    Umm yea, that is exactly what happened. Which is why to this day they still can’t prove anyone manually deflated footballs and refused to answer why 75% of the Colts balls were also deflated below the legal PSI after starting the game at a higher PSI. Its way 99.9% of the science community says the ball deflation can be fully attributed to the IGL. Its why Goddell had to lie in his suspension letter to Brady which was called out when the judge released the appeal transcripts. Its why Brady was the only one who gave sworn, under oath testimony at his appeal and refused to throw anybody under the bus when he was offered the get out of jail free card from the NFL. Its also why the NFL, to this day, refuses to release the 2015 collected PSI information from games as everyone knows what it would look like.

    Regardless of the diatribe you posted, the reality is most objective people realize the entire thing was a farce. Brady is still widely regarded as the GOAT and will be a first ballot hall of famer.

  156. Until there is concrete evidence and they are caught once and for all. He could have admitted what he did, apologize and did all he could to make amends. But instead he stuck to his lies, let others take the blame, tried to convince people he was railroaded and this upstanding guy who would never.
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    Lolz, what a riot. Please enlighten us as to what “concrete evidence” there is? To this day, the only reasonable evidence out there is the IGL that says the balls were deflated due to the weather conditions. If there was any actual evidence, they wouldn’t have had to rely on “more probable than not, at least generally aware”

  157. Uh – texts, video evidence, destruction of evidence, common sense etc. etc. etc. Homers will debate to the death, so don’t bother responding about how the NFL and RB conspired specifically to get Brady via the dog and pony show to try and save his already meaningless legacy.

  158. Uh – texts, video evidence, destruction of evidence, common sense etc. etc. etc. Homers will debate to the death, so don’t bother responding about how the NFL and RB conspired specifically to get Brady via the dog and pony show to try and save his already meaningless legacy.
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    Meaningless to who, you? Why does that matter? As I’ve already mentioned, an overwhelming majority of the football community acknowledges Brady as the GOAT. His legacy is very well in tact since most people with actual common sense see this entire thing as a farce, including Florio himself. Wanting to believe something is true does not make it true.

    Talk about dog and pony show…..to this day no one can answer why the Colts balls were also under the legal PSI. Its a very simple question…..why can’t it be answered? Where is the PSI data that the NFL collected?

  159. I’m sure Lance and Barry agree with you! By the way, Bonds is not in the MLB HOF….hmmmm
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    The only real question is will Brady be a unanimous first ballot HOF’er, or will there be a few mavericks that try to make a point by having him wait? Lance and Barry are widely shunned by their respective sports. Brady is celebrated as the overwhelming GOAT, even to this day. A few internet loners certainly can have their opinions, but they mean less than nothing.

  160. So it’s a conspiracy theory now, they’re ignoring what other teams have done, and conspiring to take down Brady? As they want a shining NFL star dragged through the mud thus damaging the Brand? Think, Sport!

    “overwhelming majority of the football community acknowledges Brady as the GOAT.”
    Uh – that would be made up primarily of Pats fans…. (in terms of fans). As far as other athletes/coaches/media who used to throw out remarks…showing there opinion about the cheating….have zipped it for now as it’s not fashionable to upset the apple cart that is the NFL brand itself anymore.

    Truth will come out in NFL HOF…..Bonds (Clearly the MLB GOAT) is not in the MLB HOF…hmmm wonder why.

  161. What the Patriots have accomplished since Brady became their starter in 2001 is the most sustained run of excellence we’ve ever seen.
    ======

    False

    Landrys Cowboys, 1966-1985
    NO losing seasons
    16 10-win seasons (10 of which in the 14-game format)
    18/20 Playoff Trips
    12 Championship Games
    5 Super Bowls
    2 Titles

    Walsh-era 49ers, 1981-2002
    3 losing seasons (1 in a Strike-shortened year)
    19 10-win seasons (16 in a row, 1983-1998)
    18/22 Playoff trips
    9 Championship games
    5 Super Bowls
    5 Titles

    Patriots, 2001-present
    NO losing seasons
    16 10-win seasons (likely 17, likely 10 in a row)
    16/18 Playoff trips (2018 will be 10 in a row)
    12 Championship Games (7 in a row, 2011-2017)
    8 Super Bowls
    5 Titles

  162. Truth will come out in NFL HOF…..Bonds (Clearly the MLB GOAT) is not in the MLB HOF…hmmm wonder why.
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    So let me get this straight……you actually believe Brady will be held out of the HoF? I mean, that is an honest assessment? I guess Peyton Manning is in trouble too given the whole HGH scandal that he refuses to admit to (since you are such a stickler to “concrete evidence” and common sense). Aaron Rodgers must also be in trouble since admitting to trying to over-inflate footballs beyond the legal limit to gain a competitive advantage. Big Ben is in trouble for also playing with under-inflated balls on two separate occasions. Eli as well for walkie-talkie use.

    Give it a rest. Brady continues to be one of the faces of the league at 41 years old and is the GOAT. To this day its always Brady vs. someone else (Rodgers, Brees, Montana, Manning, Unitas, Marino, etc. etc.) He is in every single GOAT conversation . To say its just Pats fans that think that is ignoring reality. He will be a first ballot HOF’er and to suggest otherwise is laughable.

  163. dynastypolice says:
    December 11, 2018 at 2:59 pm
    I’m sure Lance and Barry agree with you! By the way, Bonds is not in the MLB HOF….hmmmm
    =======================
    Anybody who truly loves football would bet against you on that and twice on Tuesday. Brady is first ballet HOF and it won’t even be close. Illegal camera location and complete failure to prove ball tampering (unlike with Both Lance\Barry) will do nothing to slow that down.

  164. ‘Illegal camera location and complete failure to prove ball tampering (unlike with Both Lance\Barry) will do nothing to slow that down.’
    ———————————————
    Uhh – Congressional probe, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence. And of course we should all believe that the only illegal activity they participated in was that for which they were caught? Spare us. Bonds and Armstrong are mere mosquito bites compared to the top down organized illicit activity for 2 decades. Yup definitely unlike Barry and Lance…..by a long shot, sport.

  165. dynastypolice says:
    December 13, 2018 at 10:26 am
    Uhh – Congressional probe, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence. And of course we should all believe that the only illegal activity they participated in was that for which they were caught? Spare us. Bonds and Armstrong are mere mosquito bites compared to the top down organized illicit activity for 2 decades. Yup definitely unlike Barry and Lance…..by a long shot, sport.
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    Obstruction of justice? Based on the lack of subpoena power the NFL has over cell phones ?!?!?!?! Or based on the previous player discipline issues where cell phones were never looked at (despite instances that had factual data proving complicit behavior)? Or based on the cell logs Brady provided that were never looked at? Obstruction … lol. Destruction of the phone sure is the narrative the NFL created. Brady volunteered he broke his phone. Let’s not try to pretend that little nugget was actually uncovered by NFL “investigators”. And again, destruction of evidence the NFL was never entitled to by the law of the land OR the CBA. It’s certainly not a good look for Brady for certain. But than again somebody with everything to hide would never volunteer the logs to help the NFL prove the claims against him were true. He had everything to gain by not doing anything at all.

    Congressional probe, NFL investigation, owners crying, moaning or whatever you want to throw at Spygate. You’re still talking about illegal camera location. That’s it.

    And no, we should absolutely not dismiss decades worth of wild unproven conjecture and condemn the Patriots for something worse than Bonds and Armstrong. LOL

  166. I see the voting elf added votes for you….too bad you need to pad votes (for what amounts to pre-fab homer white noise at this point) on your home field as it were. Hope you didn’t hurt your hand too much doing that. I’m just gonna leave this right here.

    Enjoy your holidays, sport.

    Checkmate.

  167. I see the voting elf added votes for you….too bad you need to pad votes (for what amounts to pre-fab homer white noise at this point) on your home field as it were. Hope you didn’t hurt your hand too much doing that. I’m just gonna leave this right here.

    Enjoy your holidays, sport.

    Checkmate.
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    Is there anything worse than someone calling checkmate on their own post? Its even more pathetic after claiming someone was vote padding. How does one even do that? For someone who doesn’t believe in conspiracies……

    Anyway, i assume we won’t hear from you after TB and BB are both first ballot hall of famers, but I guess we’ll see. Did you like Joe Buck and Troy Aikman’s reference to Brady as the GOAT last night? Imagine that. A game having nothing to do with the Patriots, and Brady is again acknowledged as the GOAT.

  168. dynastypolice says:
    December 14, 2018 at 11:50 am
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    I get exactly one vote (that I never used). But yeah continue the delusion that it’s padding votes vs being completely off base in your bias towards anything Patriots related.
    To recap, you’re not wrong. It was the voting elf that made you look like a fool! LOL We certainly wouldn’t want to introduce the notion you could actually be wrong 🙂

    While you’re being schooled maybe you should take a few minutes to learn the definition of checkmate. It seems to be a bit … lacking. Maybe we could launch a congressional probe to help you out? That should certainly clear things up. You aren’t fooling anybody with your intent to “leave this right here”. You don’t have a choice and it’s more than blatantly obvious.

  169. No hard feelings, man. If you notice some extra stockings hung on your mantle, its just Santa hanging on the “L’s” you took during this…whatever this is.
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    Seems about right that your grading system is as flawed as your supposed logic. Again, let’s regroup after BB and TB are in the HoF then see who is taking the “L”. I wonder where most people would put there money.

    Perhaps your most hilarious L was trying to say the Patriots obstructed justice. That was epic. Troll job 101.

  170. blessedunliketherest says:
    December 14, 2018 at 3:36 pm
    I wonder where most people would put there money.
    ============================
    All but one NY media hack insisting that being a contrarian makes them famous will vote BB and TB into the HoF on the first ballot. Everybody else will put their money on that. Meanwhile the NY hack will continue to insist everybody else is wrong and will yell “checkmate” based on nothing more than the age old “because I told you so” retort.

    Not for nothing but I’ll raise one “Neener neener” and a shot of Tequila in celebration. 🙂

  171. Angry? Its all in good fun, sport. It’s a joy to shine the light of truth, logic and science on topics of interest. I did not invent those things, I merely point the flashlight.

  172. I get exactly one vote (that I never used). But yeah continue the delusion that it’s padding votes vs being completely off base in your bias towards anything Patriots related.
    To recap, you’re not wrong. It was the voting elf that made you look like a fool! LOL We certainly wouldn’t want to introduce the notion you could actually be wrong 🙂

    While you’re being schooled maybe you should take a few minutes to learn the definition of checkmate. It seems to be a bit … lacking. Maybe we could launch a congressional probe to help you out? That should certainly clear things up. You aren’t fooling anybody with your intent to “leave this right here”. You don’t have a choice and it’s more than blatantly obvious.
    ___________________________________________________________________________________________________

    Now this, my friends, is an actual checkmate!

  173. dynastypolice says:
    December 14, 2018 at 4:07 pm
    Angry? Its all in good fun, sport. It’s a joy to shine the light of truth, logic and science on topics of interest. I did not invent those things, I merely point the flashlight.
    ==================
    Angry? I’m literally too busy crying of laughter to be such. When you use that flashlight do you make light puppets? All I’m seeing is an image of a bull for some reason. 🙂

  174. And….final checkmate ….I knew you’d come around. Only thing is, integrity (of which the Pats have none) starts at the top. So even once TB and BB are gone….yes BB will leave with TB to avoid being exposed as a losing coach without him e.g. Browns fired him for that…Kraft will still be at the helm. So….until the team is sold…either forced or otherwise, you’ll still be stuck in these futile threads pointlessly defending the Pats while everyone else is talking actual football.
    Peace be with you.

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