Charles Woodson: All the hits are catching up to Tom Brady

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Charles Woodson and Tom Brady go back a long way. They were teammates at Michigan, and the famous “tuck rule” play joins them forever in NFL history. And now, more than two decades after they became college teammates, Woodson wonders if we’re not finally seeing the beginning of the end of Brady.

Woodson said today on ESPN that he saw Brady appear in Pittsburgh on Sunday like the hits are taking a toll on his 41-year-old body, and he’s avoiding contact even at the expense of missing throws he used to make.

“I just think the NFL is catching up to Tom Brady,” Woodson said. “I think he’s actually starting to feel all the hits, all the sacks of the NFL. It happens to every player. It happened to myself as a player . . . at some point in time it just catches up with you.”

Woodson pointed to two plays, an interception that Brady tried to throw out of bounds and an incompletion on his last pass of the game, as plays that he thinks Brady would have made in the past.

“I think Tom Brady, he made that throw — awful interception that he threw,” Woodson said. “I felt like the last play he threw, I thought he had a chance to hit Cordarrelle Patterson in the back of the end zone if he just stepped into the pocket, but like I said, I think the hits are getting to him, and you see him trying to get the ball get out of his hand to avoid taking those hits.”

Although Brady has not played quite as well this year as he did last year, he remains one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL. Woodson may be right that Brady has slipped a bit, but he is still better at age 41 than all but a handful of NFL starting quarterbacks.

152 responses to “Charles Woodson: All the hits are catching up to Tom Brady

  1. The two things We all are absolutely certain of is: Tom “Terrific” Brady will always be in The Game and He is: The Undisputed GOAT.

  2. Woodson is one of the all time greats, and he doesn’t just go around running his mouth. When he says something like this, I think he knows what he’s talking about. It really shouldn’t come as a shock. I expect this to be Tom’s final season. He isn’t the type to want to cause a distraction, so he’s probably not going to make an announcement until he’s played his last game. Two Michigan guys. M GO BLUE!

  3. He’s had the shiznit beat out of him his whole life . . . And he’s just feeling it now?!
    GOAT.

  4. I am one of the biggest Pats haters I know, and this is ridiculous. Every dam time people start chirping about Brady/Pats being done, they bounce right back. Dont be shocked if they still get the Bye because Im not sold on the Texans beating the Eagles next week.
    The Pats are still very capable of beating any team in the league. And what other playoff bound AFC team is really going to be favored over the Pats? The Pats have experience winning in the playoffs. Few other teams going this year do.

  5. Patrick Mahomes, will erase every positive QB record, and will be a surefire 1st ballot HOFer.
    Already the face of the league, people will forget all about Brady within 2 years, as Mahomes shows everyone, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that he is the true G.O.A.T

  6. Brady is not being protected by his best o-line so he is becoming very worried about the potential hints hence the happy feet. He has had a great career but has always been afraid of being hit….no matter what the fanboys say so I think Woodson is spot on. The fanboys are afraid their dreams are about to be flushed which they denied being possible.

  7. I have a feeling he gets beat worse at home than he does on the field most weeks. And I’m very sure that she doesnt stop when he turtles like they have to do on the field.
    He ain’t no GOAT but he sure knows how to turtle.

  8. Good point made by Woodson, bodies get worn down. Might be a good year for Brady to put the pads down. Injuries will come quicker and last longer. Maybe better to call it a career heathy than get knocked out.

  9. phillybilly 00 says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:31 pm
    He’s had the shiznit beat out of him his whole life . . . And he’s just feeling it now?!
    GOAT.
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    1. Brady is actually one the least sacked QB’s in NFL history. He’s rarely been sacked more than 30 times in a season.

    2. Woodson is talking about the hits from this year. Brady is feeling the hits (in 2018) because his body is aging and can’t tolerate the pain as well.

  10. If you saw the game yesterday there was one play where Brady actually flinched as he thought he’d be hit. I don’t ever remember seeing that before. He does and always has gone down to the ground asap as he always wants to avoid any contact at all

  11. Just think for a minute 8 SB appearances ,5 wins 18 season and just maybe it is over as suggested by a long ago vanquished foe .If Teddy Bruschi or Wes Welker comment that Brady lost his fastball than I will listen .If this is the end than so be it maybe TB 12 is no longer elite but that the doesn’t mean the Pats can’t go on a run. After all Peyton’s second SB win was not vintage number 18.

  12. Sacks are for stats giys, any player who has played as long as brady has its about the cumulative hits. They are catching up with him. What really sucks is if this is his last yr and did force the trade of Jimmy G he screwed the Pats franchise.

  13. He’s so good at finding the open man you have to devise some creative blitzes to reduce the amount of time he has. That means he’s going to get hit. If what Woodson says is true I doubt he can play until the age of 45 like he mentioned once. He just doesn’t have the foot speed to get out of the pocket the way a guy like Brees can.

  14. He has started 37 playoff games…that’s like an extra 2.5 years worth of intense games against James Harrison, Dwight Freeney, Terrell Suggs, Von Miller, etc.

    I think Woodson was referring mostly to this year and the Pats poor O-line play, but there’s also the cumulative effect of not only the long career but all those extra games.

  15. Brady is one of the top 5 QBs of all time, no doubt. Several teams would be happy to have him even at his age. But age does catch up with you. I hope he retires before he becomes that QB who hung around a couple of years too long.

    OTH, what about Gronk? Watching him run makes me hurt. He has declined quickly, unless he has an undisclosed injury.

    I am a Steelers fan, since 1968. I well know the feeling when a dominant dynasty-type team begins its decline. The Pats have had a long run. It won’t last forever.

  16. Better to stop too early than too late, but most guys like Brady try to hit the sweet spot and end up staying too long. Hopefully, he has the good sense to quit before getting seriously hurt or becoming an embarrassment and tarnishing his legacy. There’s absolutely no shame in making this his last season, indeed, it would garner even more respect.

  17. 2 Things we are all certain of:

    1. Brady is the only QB in history to play 17 years for one of the greatest coaches in sports history.

    2.Brady is the only QB in history to play 13 years with a top 10 defense

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    dcpatfan says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:30 pm
    The two things We all are absolutely certain of is: Tom “Terrific” Brady will always be in The Game and He is: The Undisputed GOAT.

  18. There isn’t a QB that can move in the pocket like TB12, his lack of athleticism made him a superior pocket passer. Slides away from pressure with ease. It’s like art work.

  19. Brady folds like a lawn chair anytime a D player is getting close to him. Last thing he wants in this fragile point in his career is an off season of rehab or surgeries. If he truly cares about Kraft and Patsnation he would of told Kraft to make sure Jimmy G did not leave the building and that he was going to play one more season. He is no longer protected like he once was and he is one shot away from a career ending injury. Just retire already. The reality is that one of these days Kraft and BB are going to have to go in another direction. We all saw it, the Brady of years past would of stood in that pocket and made accurate throws to win that game. But he did not want his clock cleaned so he folded up and went to the ground. Look at all the recent sacks he has taken, he just folds up and goes down. It is a young man’s game now. Time to retire on both feet, not on crutches or worse.

  20. They wont lose 3 in a row, but I am very sure the Bills D and Jets D is going to give Brady all he can handle. He is playing timid back in that pocket, wait until he has to face an even better D than Miami or Pitt.
    These D coordinators have made life for him pretty miserable as of late.

  21. 3 key drops; passes hit players in the middle of their torso/chest.
    2 or 3 key Offensive PI plays
    3 Key Offensive Holding plays
    2 key false starts

    = lots of room for improvement that don’t involve Brady

  22. Belichick was right, it was Garropolo time! He has a sense for when players are done. That is why he also wanted to trade Gronk. Great players that are whithering.

  23. What will be interesting to see will be how much of a GOAT Bellycheck is when he has to put a team on the field for a whole season that isn’t qb’ed by Brady. Remember Cleveland?

  24. Brady will never be considered the greatest unless you live in New England. Not with all the scandoulous things New England has been caught doing over his career. Montana is the greatest I’ve seen and he won his championships the right way and never lost. Montana is the GOAT.

  25. Brady has been great for a long time. Mahomes tried to flip one out of bounds and did the same thing.
    Let the year play out. If he wins another Super Bowl I doubt anyone is talking.

  26. Woodson is correct. Brady is avoiding hits at the expense of completing passes and he looked scared in a collapsing pocket. He needs more TB12 Science and he should be ok.

  27. must be that time of year. naysayers out in full force. guess the man has just got to make another run just to show them its all a dream and they just got woke.

  28. Patrick Mahomes, will erase every positive QB record, and will be a surefire 1st ballot HOFer.
    Already the face of the league, people will forget all about Brady within 2 years, as Mahomes shows everyone, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that he is the true G.O.A.T

    ——————————

    This is downright hilarious…
    Umm, no..

    Bills fan.

  29. Brady is bad this year because his offensive line is HORRIBLE.
    Patriots are bad (for them) because of the HORRIBLE offensive line and a defense with very few playmakers plus a lack of speed.
    It is silly to blame Brady. Put him behind a decent offensive line, and he will still slice and dice any NFL defense to death. And if you watched the game against the Steelers, the Patriots offensive line kept producing illegal procedure penalties where Brady was facing lots of extra yardage to make up, even after they had gotten a first down.
    NO QB can win with such a sorry offensive line.

  30. The great one TB-12 has had a better run then any Pats fan could ask for. Twenty years of total dominance. The GREATEST QB of ALL TIME!! 5 Lombardi’s, and countless league and conference dominance and championships!! Tons of passing records which will never be broken!! This Pats fan would love to thank the G.O.AT. For all he’s accomplished, for himself and PATS NATION!! Retirement is coming and as it approaches this Pats Fan would like to thank TB-12 for his LEGACY OF GREATNESS, and the thousands of hours we have enjoyed watching the master at his craft, as the NFL will never see another QB like him ever. Time to relax and enjoy TB-12!!

  31. bcjs0108 says:
    December 17, 2018 at 8:34 pm
    What will be interesting to see will be how much of a GOAT Bellycheck is when he has to put a team on the field for a whole season that isn’t qb’ed by Brady. Remember Cleveland?

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    i remember a bill belichick coached team beating us in the playoffs with the browns. thats the last playoff game the browns won. almost 25 years ago. that speaks volumes about bill. all real fans that follow the game know bill was canned bc he wanted to dump bernie kosar for vinny then proved it with that game by winning with vinny. modell didnt like that.

  32. steelcurtainn says:
    December 17, 2018 at 8:47 pm

    Montana is the greatest I’ve seen and he won his championships the right way and never lost. Montana is the GOAT.
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    This is such a lazy argument. Montana’s 49ers teams were built in an era when you could keep everyone together for years, filled with HOF players, under one of the greatest coaches of all time, were fined by the league for cheating the salary cap, throwing to a receiver who admitted cheating with stickem and still could only manage to get to 4 SBs.

  33. Tom has always tried to protect himself from hits, Figuring it’s better to come back on the next down and make the other team pay, than lose time and health.The results? A seven year streak and a 10 year streak of never missing games, five Lombardi trophy’s, eight AFC championships, more wins (regular and post-season), numerous passing records and whatever other measure of greatness you can use. The derisive comments here represent the jealousy and Bitterness of the fans whose teams he has defeated. Other lesser great QBs lake Montana, Luck, Marino Took more hits, missed more games and brought home way less trophies. Maybe he is nearing the end of his stories career and the doubters, like the proverbial broken clock, are on to something. However, Forgive my skepticism, but I will wait until he tells me that he has won his last Super Bowl before I take, “expert analysis”, like Charles Woodson’s seriously.

  34. Nofoolnodrool says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:45 pm
    Brady is not being protected by his best o-line so he is becoming very worried about the potential hints hence the happy feet. He has had a great career but has always been afraid of being hit….no matter what the fanboys say so I think Woodson is spot on. The fanboys are afraid their dreams are about to be flushed which they denied being possible.

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    what dream is that? that our team wins a super bowl? no. that dream has come true. many times over. tom may retire, but hes 41. earth shattering. somehow, i think bill belichick has too much acumen as a coach, and personal pride, to just let the patriots fall apart bc their qb retires. somehow, i find him adapting in some way, and coming up with a transition plan. it must be tiring predicting doom for 20 years and always being wrong.

  35. Luck also plays into one’s career. You can tell Pats intended to prolong Brady’s career in this years draft by picking a tackle and a running back to easy up the load. Unfortunately Isaiah Wynn got injured in preseason so that certainly does not help with Brady’s protection. I think he will play one more year so the Pats can draft a QB under Brady’s apprenticeship to an easier transition to the post-Brady era. Also he gets another shot at his six ring if the Pats load up on defense.

  36. Expectations this yr should be directed @ Brees & to a lesser extent, Rivers.

    Ben has 2 SBs so he is okay. ARod is out, so we can’t have any expectations put on him. That boat sailed.

    Wilson, Cam … perhaps.

    Tom Brady, great career nearing its end, probably next year will be his last. He will know by October. If he can’t play @ high level, next yr will be it.

    Pats losing in playoffs this yr should not decide his fate. Losing in playoffs is not everything. Just ask a ton of great reg season QBs who couldn’t win multiple SBs.

  37. “Brady has always had a Judy arm. His game is reading defenses and quick decision making”

    Woodson isn’t talking about his arm but his body overall. The older you get, the more the wear and tear sets in, the harder it becomes to get up from each sack. Nobody is immune to the effects of age. Brady’s mind might be just as sharp as ever, his arm might even still be the same as it was 5 years ago but each hit is taking a greater toll on his body.

  38. Regarding Montana being the GOAT –

    ‘This is such a lazy argument. Montana’s 49ers teams were built in an era when you could keep everyone together for years, filled with HOF players, under one of the greatest coaches of all time, were fined by the league for cheating the salary cap, throwing to a receiver who admitted cheating with stickem and still could only manage to get to 4 SBs.’

    You left one out. Montana admitted that his offensive lineman were spraying silicone on their jerseys – they were caught and fined.

  39. Is Brady declining a little, probably. Is he still one of the best QB’s in the league, absolutely. Look at his weapons, pretty poor. Its not just one thing wrong with New England its a lot of little things. The biggest one in my opinion is a lack of high end talent both sides of the ball.

    Poor season? By Patriots standards of recent years yes it is, By a lot of other teams? No absolutely not.

  40. runtheball says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:42 pm
    Brady has always had a Judy arm
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    Apparently you never saw that bomb he threw 80 yards in the air to Moss on the final drive of super bowl 42. Came up just short and allowed the DB to get a finger on it. One yard further and the Pats finish 19-0 and own the greatest play in NFL history. Best throw I’ve ever seen

  41. “carloswlassiter says:

    This is such a lazy argument. Montana’s 49ers teams were built in an era when you could keep everyone together for years, filled with HOF players, under one of the greatest coaches of all time, were fined by the league for cheating the salary cap..”

    Renegotiating Brady’s contract to minimize his contribution to the team’s salary cap allows the Pats to sign better talent than the NFL rules allow is cheating in its own right. It defeats to spirit of the rules. I remember both the Niners and Cowboys gaming the league’s effort to level the talent between markets so as to improve competition.

  42. finzfan49 says:
    December 17, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    Brady folds like a lawn chair anytime a D player is getting close to him. Last thing he wants in this fragile point in his career is an off season of rehab or surgeries. If he truly cares about Kraft and Patsnation he would of told Kraft to make sure Jimmy G did not leave the building and that he was going to play one more season. He is no longer protected like he once was and he is one shot away from a career ending injury. Just retire already. The reality is that one of these days Kraft and BB are going to have to go in another direction. We all saw it, the Brady of years past would of stood in that pocket and made accurate throws to win that game. But he did not want his clock cleaned so he folded up and went to the ground. Look at all the recent sacks he has taken, he just folds up and goes down. It is a young man’s game now. Time to retire on both feet, not on crutches or worse.

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    Cute, except Jimmy Glass that you keep harping on about as Brady’s ultimate successor can’t complete a single season healthy …

  43. There is a classic picture of an aged Y.A. Tittle kneeling on the ground in pain, Giants helmet off and blood running down his face as Father Time had just played his last trump card on Tittle’s career. It is a picture that says a thousand words.

  44. Defenses were allowed to play defense and take receivers heads off when Montana played. Gronk gets to push off every play.

    There’s really no debate. No super bowl losses. The league is mediocre now.

  45. Brady has played just 5 more seasons than Joe Montana, including 2018.

    he has 30,000 more passing yards
    240 more TD passes
    1 more SB Ring
    4 more SB appearances
    14 More playoff games (37 to 23)
    11 more playoff wins and just 3 more playoff losses
    16 more PLayoff TD passes (71 to 45)

    Montana has 45 playoff TD passes and 21 playoff INts. Brady has 71 playoff TD passes and only 31 picks. Who is more clutch?

    Brady has 11 GW playoff drives and Montana has 5

    Stats are for loser yea we all know, But only Haters will claim Montana > Brady

  46. Different eras will produce different results. Today’s NFL is foreign to 2000 NFL and completely incompatible with anything pre 90s.

  47. As much as I hate Brady gotta give him credit. He’s out there running for his life from guys that he’s old enough to be their father.

    It’s an amazing feat to be playing in the NFL at age 41 period.

  48. bcjs0108 says:
    December 17, 2018 at 8:34 pm
    What will be interesting to see will be how much of a GOAT Bellycheck is when he has to put a team on the field for a whole season that isn’t qb’ed by Brady. Remember Cleveland?
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    That would be the Cleveland that won a playoff game over New England when starting Vinnie Testaverde?

    Or how about the New England team that went 11-5 with Matt Cassell?

  49. travlinful says:
    December 17, 2018 at 11:32 pm

    Renegotiating Brady’s contract to minimize his contribution to the team’s salary cap allows the Pats to sign better talent than the NFL rules allow is cheating in its own right. It defeats to spirit of the rules.
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    If Brady is willingly taking less salary than the market dictates, how is that anything other than playing BY the rules? Thats not gamesmanship, it’s placing a higher priority with on field success and legacy than monetary wealth. Remember, he’s NOT the primary breadwinner in that family.

  50. This isn’t on Brady. It must be something in the Charles River water or some psychological blood rite that NE coaches go through. We saw it with Parcells and his comments about groceries and his angry exit stage left, and before him Chuck Fairbanks’ announcement he was quitting just prior to the playoffs. No question in my mind Belichick tried to sabotage the Superbowl to make a statement and the only reason he’s still here is because the Krafts somehow forgave him and talked everyone down. I expect major changes are in store for both players and coaches. There’s too much bad blood in the air. The Patriots are 9-5 but it feels like they’re 5-9. And yes, I used to be a Pats homer but I will never forgive Belichick for what he did. This year I’m following the Lions, the Titans and San Fran, and win or lose enjoying those games more than I have in a long time. Go somewhere else, Bill. Anywhere.

  51. I loathe the Pats but dudes act like a 9-5 team, who barely lost their last two and will more than likely end 11-5 with the 6th ranked offense is a trash squad.

  52. Another day, another session of fanatical twisting oneself inside out try to make it seem like 4 is greater than 5. Trent Dilfer must be greater than Brady or manning since he never lost a SB. Same folks who don’t understand that inflated balls have reduced pressure in colder temps. This is why schools push for STEM. Basics of math & science are lost.

  53. Brady’s taken his licks, the Patriots trading Jimmy G and not forcing TB12 to retirement is the biggest mistake in modern football history. Whether it was Bob Kraft or Bill Belichiek who made that decision, it was a complete blunder unless they find a way to move up and get the best quarterback of this draft or the next, and a guy who can start the 2020 season under center. I sure am happy my team didn’t make that mistake, although I wish they had the historical success of New England as well.

  54. Duh… why is this earth shaking news? Of course all the hits Brady has taken are taking a toll on him. And so is Father Time. It happens to everyone.

  55. As a 49ers fan, I love Joe Montana, but Brady is the GOAT QB.

    I think that Belichick should consider giving him games off in the season, to keep him fresh for the playoffs, particularly at this stage of his career.

  56. 3 key drops; passes hit players in the middle of their torso/chest.
    2 or 3 key Offensive PI plays
    3 Key Offensive Holding plays
    2 key false starts

    = lots of room for improvement that don’t involve Brady

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    True, but, the same thing applies to almost every team in almost every game.

  57. jdiba jdiba says:
    December 17, 2018 at 7:17 pm
    It’s pretty simple really. Brady is hurt.
    ____________________
    If this were true, they would have him listed on the injury report.
    Oh, wait……..never mind.

  58. eaglesmaina says:
    December 17, 2018 at 11:52 pm
    Defenses were allowed to play defense and take receivers heads off when Montana played. Gronk gets to push off every play.

    There’s really no debate. No super bowl losses. The league is mediocre now.

    ————-

    Joe was not even good enough to make it to more than four SBs. But you are correct, in a universe where the Eagles can win a SB the league certainly is mediocre.

  59. I seem to recall Ryan Clark saying the same thing about Brady after the Steelers beat him in 2011 ( that was the last time before Sunday). Since Clark’a pronouncement, Tom has won 4 AFC titles,, 2 Super Bowls and has beaten on gone 5-1 against Pitt. At this rate, we should be hearing it again when p retired Joe Haden, when the Steelers next beat the Pats in 2025.

  60. Hey all you Aaron Rodgers haters — I found this very interesting: Aaron Rodgers has played 172 games in his career so far. In comparing him with other QB’s who had played their 172nd game, this is what it shows:
    Rodgers threw more touchdowns than all of these guys (371). Drew Brees is next at 330, Manning had 324, Brady had 316, Favre had 312 and Montana has 288.
    Rodgers threw 89 interceptions. Favre threw 182, Manning threw 168, Brees threw 159, Montana threw 145, and Brady threw 129.
    Rodgers threw for 46,605 yards. Brees threw for 46,567 yards, Manning threw for 45,027, 41,924 Brady threw for 42,365, Favre threw for 41,924, and 41,642.
    Montana has the best playoff record at 16 and 6 with 4 Super Wins and 0 losses.
    Brady is next at 14 and 5 with a record of 3 and 1 in Super Bowls.
    Favre is next at 10 and 5 with a Super Bowl record of 1 and 1.
    Rodgers is next at 9 and 7 with 1 Super Win and 0 losses.
    Brees is next at 5 and 4 with 1 Super Bowl win and 0 losses.

    So anyone who tells me Rodgers doesn’t belong in the same conversation with those guys doesn’t know what they are talking about.

  61. The Keener Observer says:
    December 17, 2018 at 7:55 pm
    Better to stop too early than too late, but most guys like Brady try to hit the sweet spot and end up staying too long. Hopefully, he has the good sense to quit before getting seriously hurt or becoming an embarrassment and tarnishing his legacy. There’s absolutely no shame in making this his last season, indeed, it would garner even more respect.

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    yea, you wish. one somewhat bad game from tom in years and all of a sudden hes fallen off the cliff. its one game guys. he made one bad throw. ben made horrible throws the entire game. lmao.

  62. As a Pats fan I couldn’t agree more. It certainly doesn’t help that his OL sucks but those two throws in particular were the results of Brady seeing ghosts.

  63. all the get off my lawn guys defending montana. its a tired argument that no longer stands up. get over it. move on. somebody else will now have to surpass bradys winning legacy to be considered the goat. as time goes on montana will be a smaller and smaller name in the history of the nfl. the only people who will care about montanas legacy will be 100 years old. nyneal. sigh. you wish but its not the reality. to be as great as brady, montana would have had to do a LOT more.

  64. In checking the all time QB sacked number, surprised to see Tom No. 7 at 471. He “trails” Big Ben among active players. Ben is No. 3 at 497., behind Elway (516) and Favre (525), a category Ben will probably end up leading when he’s done.

  65. @ ny neal. brady has won way over 200 regular season games. has rodgers even played that many? if you look hard enough you can find one stat that rodgers is better in. that doesnt make him the goat. just the goat for one category. he also led the nfl in bad plays by qbs this year. does that mean hes the worst qb? probably not, but selecting stats doesnt prove anything. give it up man. as time goes on i would think that the only people that remember rodgers are wearing green and yellow colors.

  66. There’s really no debate. No super bowl losses. The league is mediocre now.
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    5 golds and 3 silvers >>>>>> 4 golds and 0 silvers. Fact. 🙂

    I bet a large majority of those still on the Montana bandwagon are just silly Patriot Haters who were too young when Montana was in his prime and never actually watched him play. (I did. Brady > Montana).

    They also still think Brady is stuck in 2002 in his talent level.

    So deluded. So in denial. So hilarious!

  67. bcjs0108 says:
    December 17, 2018 at 8:34 pm
    What will be interesting to see will be how much of a GOAT Bellycheck is when he has to put a team on the field for a whole season that isn’t qb’ed by Brady. Remember Cleveland?

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    Actually the correct question is remember the 2000 Ravens? That team was set up for success by none other than Bill Belichick.

  68. Cute, except Jimmy Glass that you keep harping on about as Brady’s ultimate successor can’t complete a single season healthy …
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    Unfortunately I think that nickname fits and that’s the real reason why he was sent packing.

  69. Trump is the G.O.A.T says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:44 pm
    Patrick Mahomes, will erase every positive QB record, and will be a surefire 1st ballot HOFer.
    Already the face of the league, people will forget all about Brady within 2 years, as Mahomes shows everyone, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that he is the true G.O.A.T

    ——
    Sounds like Rg3, Kaep and Johnny Manziel a few years ago. I wonder how they are playing these days.

    🙂

  70. I feel like it’s silly to be constantly checking to see if Brady’s performance level is decreasing. It is… He’s 41 years old. Peyton won a Super Bowl when he could barely throw it 30 yards anymore. It’s still better to have Brady back there in big games for a little while longer, but I don’t think anyone should be under the illusion that this is 2007 Brady. He can still find a way to be successful. Heck, he already has if the team makes the playoffs and he wins the division.

  71. Belichick without Brady as starter: 0 titles. 0 playoff appearances as a Patriots coach.

    Brady without Belichick: who knows?

    Brady WITH Belichick: the NFL dynasty of the 21st century and if we are being completely honest, the greatest dynasty in all of sports in that time period.

    Works for me 🙂

  72. Trump is the G.O.A.T says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:44 pm
    Patrick Mahomes, will erase every positive QB record, and will be a surefire 1st ballot HOFer.
    Already the face of the league, people will forget all about Brady within 2 years, as Mahomes shows everyone, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that he is the true G.O.A.T
    —————-

    No one will ever forget about Brady.

    I hope Mahomes is successful, but hasn’t even achieved what Brady did in his first year as a starter yet.

    It’s beyond a long way to go… It’s a lifetime to go to pass Brady.

  73. Or how about the New England team that went 11-5 with Matt Cassell?
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    No playoffs though.

    Plus that was a 5 game regression from the previous season. Exactly the same regression as 10-6 turning into 5-11.

  74. No one will ever forget about Brady.

    I hope Mahomes is successful, but hasn’t even achieved what Brady did in his first year as a starter yet.

    It’s beyond a long way to go… It’s a lifetime to go to pass Brady.
    ——
    The league will figure him out. It’s only a matter of time. THEN we’ll see how good he really is,

    RG3 and Kaep were undefendable too until they were figured out.

  75. All the hits? on Brady?

    Give me a break! Referees trip over themselves keeping him from ever getting touched.

    If anyone comes near him he whines to them like a little girl about roughing and the flags come out.

    3rd down and he throws an incomplete? No problem – refs call pass interference to keep the drive alive.

    It is disgusting how much the refs help the Patsies.

    Game against Chiefs earlier this year – Patsies had ZERO penalties called on them. What a joke.

  76. zimreapers says:
    December 18, 2018 at 6:59 am
    Brady’s taken his licks, the Patriots trading Jimmy G and not forcing TB12 to retirement is the biggest mistake in modern football history.
    ———-
    LOL what. Brady led the greatest SB comeback with the win over Atlanta for a 5th ring right after the trade. He won the 4th vs Seattle when all the decline/Jimmy G talks started. I’d say almost any team would take 1-2 guaranteed rings and be OK with rebuilding for the next 5 years.

  77. aarons444 says:
    December 18, 2018 at 9:58 am
    Brady still fumbled.
    ——
    If you’re talking about what I think you’re talking about I always believed it was a fumble and they were saved by a technicality in the rule.

    That’s ok. 25 years before that the Patriots were robbed by a ref with a phantom roughing the passer and allowed the Raiders to defeat a much better Patriots team to go on and win a Super Bowl.

    Now they’re even. Honestly, it couldn’t have played out any better than it did. 🙂

  78. ‘Or how about the New England team that went 11-5 with Matt Cassell?’

    Brady went 16 – 0 with the exact same team the year before. So that’s a 5 game drop off where I come from. Does basic arithmetic apply in your analysis?

  79. zimreapers says:
    December 18, 2018 at 6:59 am
    Brady’s taken his licks, the Patriots trading Jimmy G and not forcing TB12 to retirement is the biggest mistake in modern football history.

    ——
    Kind of hard to call that a mistake whrn it seems Jimmy can’t stay on the football field.

  80. Trump is the G.O.A.T says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:44 pm
    Patrick Mahomes, will erase every positive QB record, and will be a surefire 1st ballot HOFer.
    Already the face of the league, people will forget all about Brady within 2 years, as Mahomes shows everyone, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that he is the true G.O.A.T

    ——————————————————————————————

    I heard the same thing about Michael Vick, RG III, Colin Krappernitwit, Dak Prescott, and others.
    It’s hard to believe that you have already got him in the Hall Of Fame and the greatest QB to have ever played. Geesh. I mean, can you get a grip on things? First of all, he has a terrific offense around him which makes his job a lot easier. I have a suggestion for you. Let’s sit back and see what he does for say, 5 or even 10 years, then come back and talk to us.

  81. thejetssuck2001 says:
    December 18, 2018 at 9:34 am
    @ ny neal. brady has won way over 200 regular season games. has rodgers even played that many? if you look hard enough you can find one stat that rodgers is better in. that doesnt make him the goat. just the goat for one category. he also led the nfl in bad plays by qbs this year. does that mean hes the worst qb? probably not, but selecting stats doesnt prove anything. give it up man. as time goes on i would think that the only people that remember rodgers are wearing green and yellow colors.

    —————————————————————————————–

    I did not say Rodgers is the greatest QB of all time and am on record in here as saying there is no such thing because you cannot compare players from one era to another. But look at the stats I posted and re-read what I said. Aaron Rodgers has better stats than any of those guys in the number of games he has played compared to the same number of games those guys played. That’s all I am saying other than Rodgers deserves to be mentioned in the same conversation as any of those guys.
    And in case you don’t know — games are won by teams, not any one player. Rodgers has not had a top defense with the Packers in any season since he won the starting job in GB. In fact, in most years, he’s had defenses that were in the lower half of the league overall.

  82. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 18, 2018 at 9:55 am
    Or how about the New England team that went 11-5 with Matt Cassell?
    ———
    No playoffs though.

    Plus that was a 5 game regression from the previous season. Exactly the same regression as 10-6 turning into 5-11.

    —————-

    2008 was a massive lost opportunity. If Brady stayed healthy that was looking like 14-2 and another possible Super Bowl run. By the end of the year they were destroying teams even with a pretty terrible Cassel. That was still a very good team. Another interesting point is Cassel was getting sacked about 2X the amount Brady was. Brady (along with Scar) has helped make mediocre O-lines look good his whole career.

  83. zimreapers says:
    December 18, 2018 at 6:59 am
    Brady’s taken his licks, the Patriots trading Jimmy G and not forcing TB12 to retirement is the biggest mistake in modern football history. Whether it was Bob Kraft or Bill Belichiek who made that decision, it was a complete blunder unless they find a way to move up and get the best quarterback of this draft or the next, and a guy who can start the 2020 season under center. I sure am happy my team didn’t make that mistake, although I wish they had the historical success of New England as well.

    ————–

    The reality is Jimmy G has been hurt 3 times so far. As Edelman says, availability is the most important ability.

    If you are going to play the what if game, then right now you would have to say Keeping Brady allowed the Patriots to have a shot at the playoffs this year.

    Long term we will have to see, but QBs coming back off ACL construction usually aren’t quite what they were for another year or so.

    Reality is that the likes of Brady and Manning only come along once a generation. The odds of a Jimmy G doing what Brady did is basically zero. Just like Young was a nice QB, but he was no Joe Montana.

  84. And in case you don’t know — games are won by teams, not any one player. Rodgers has not had a top defense with the Packers in any season since he won the starting job in GB. In fact, in most years, he’s had defenses that were in the lower half of the league overall.
    ======

    #7 in 2009
    #2 in 2010.. won the Super Bowl

    Hasn’t had a decent unit since though.. its been nearly a decade.

  85. All of this G.O.A.T. stuff is so stupid. When all is said and done, any QB worth a damn would trade all his personal achievements for championships because that’s why they play the game.
    So — if winning championships is the ultimate measure of QB’s (and I don’t think it is, by the way) then Bart Starr is the greatest QB in NFL history because from 1960 through the 1967 season, he was 5 and 1 in championship games and the only one he lost was his very first one in 1960 when he had the Packers driving down the field for the possible game winning score, but the game ended when LB’er Chuck Bednarik nailed FB Jimmy Taylor on the Eagles’ 10 yard line as time ended. The only years his Packers missed being in the championship game during that run were 1963 when the Bears beat the Giants to win the championship and 1964 when the Browns beat the Colts.
    Not even Tom Brady can match Starr’s number of championships. And I don’t want to hear about them not playing as many playoff games as they do today, because there were only 14 teams for all but one of those years (1967 when they added two teams and split into 4 divisions) and the depth on every team was far better than it is today.

  86. Not even Tom Brady can match Starr’s number of championships. And I don’t want to hear about them not playing as many playoff games as they do today, because there were only 14 teams for all but one of those years (1967 when they added two teams and split into 4 divisions) and the depth on every team was far better than it is today.
    ======

    Save yourself some grief.

    They don’t care. There is only 1 great era of football. There is only 1 era PERIOD. 2001-Present.

  87. Reality is that the likes of Brady and Manning only come along once a generation. The odds of a Jimmy G doing what Brady did is basically zero. Just like Young was a nice QB, but he was no Joe Montana.
    =====

    Young was a lot like Rodgers. He did MANY things better than Montana, there were simply better teams in his era.

    The Cowboys and Packers generally owned Young. I believe he was either 2-5 or 2-6 against them in the post-season. But good grief, 5 Super Bowls between those teams, and if the Cowboys hadn’t run Jimmy Johnson off, they may have had 5 of their very own.

  88. zimreapers says:
    December 18, 2018 at 6:59 am

    Brady’s taken his licks, the Patriots trading Jimmy G and not forcing TB12 to retirement is the biggest mistake in modern football history.

    ——-

    It was a mistake to trade a guy who has broken his shoulder in a routine out of pocket tackle and blown up his own knee making a cut out of bounds?

    Thank God you’re not a GM, because half your roster would be on IR.

  89. Oh please, is anyone else getting tired of the same wave of stories every time the Patriots lose a game?

    Take a look at the TD pass Brady threw to Patterson two weeks ago in Miami and tell me Brady has lost any passing ability.

    Brady’s arm is fine, as good as it’s ever been. His mobility has actually improved the last few years. Obviously his ability to read defenses is better than ever as he’s one of the most experienced QBs in history.

    Brady is in fantastic shape and can’t still sling it with the best of them. The difference is the 2018 Patriots are just a step down from what the 2014-2018 Patriots who made it to 3 Super Bowls and won 2 of them.

    This will be an 11-5 team without a bye week, who will be lucky to come out of the AFC, but I don’t think it’s Brady’s fault that their not going to win a title in 2018.

  90. eaglesmaina says:
    December 17, 2018 at 11:50 pm
    There will never be another Joe Montana.

    THEE GOAT.

    Brady>Montana

  91. GoodellMustGo says:
    December 18, 2018 at 10:00 am
    No one will ever forget about Brady.

    I hope Mahomes is successful, but hasn’t even achieved what Brady did in his first year as a starter yet.

    It’s beyond a long way to go… It’s a lifetime to go to pass Brady.
    ——
    The league will figure him out. It’s only a matter of time. THEN we’ll see how good he really is,

    RG3 and Kaep were undefendable too until they were figured out.

    ————-

    I see Mahomes as a bit different then them. He’s more of a Favre type and I think he will have staying power, but he will get burned with cross body throws eventually. Every QB does, regardless of their arm strength. He might just be a feast or famine kind of player which can work.

    I agree with you though that he will be figured out. The second year tends to be the hardest. That said, anyone who has performed basically at a record level in their first year of starting tends to go on to do great things. Marino never got back to where he was in 1984, but he had a great career.

  92. @nyneal. yes super bowls definitely are won by teams. i remember when the packers won their super bowl with arodgers. i heard the name bj raji and nick collins being called more than aaron rodgers. tramon williams, clay matthews, charles woodson? i could go on. so to credit arod as a sb winner and say he, unlike brady and others, did it without any help from his d, is way off base. aaron rodgers is not even in the goat discussion. i have watched NFL football since i was young in the late 70s. he does not belong in the same conversation as tom brady. or elway. or marino. or steve young. or roger staubach. or joe montana. id take jim kellys grit over rodgers any day of the week. give me troy aikman all the time over aaron rodgers. never saw unitas or starr or norm van brocklin play, but id imagine they were just as much fun to watch than rodgers. see where im going wth this? hes great for his time, but compared to actual all time greats, i think he comes up woefully short, in a lot of different ways, especially leadership ability.

  93. Montana played in the toughest era where defenses can take your head off, destroy qbs and wr’s with the meanest nastiest hits ever and refs will not help you keep drives alive. And Montana never lost a superbowl 4-0 no interceptions
    Brady played his whole career in the softest era of flag football where qbs and wr’s are protected and given free first downs just for getting tackled. And brady still got shutdown by the weak Giants twice with eli manning in the superbowl with Patriots being massive favorites and lost to terrible Eagles team with a backup qb. Got saved by the refs with a bs tuck rule. Cheated the rams, panthers and Eagles with spygate, cheated with deflate gate. All of that baggage on top of playing in the softest era of flag football where qbs are coddled and pampered.
    It’s not even close. Montana is the greatest of all time. Brady isn’t even number two on the list. If Montana played in today’s era of flag football and qbs being protected, he’d have 10 superbowls. If the pampered and protected diva brady played in Montanas era, he’d be broken to pieces in 5 years and would be lucky to have one ring. Brady fanboys don’t want to hear the truth. Every week we hear about the refs helping the qb because he was tackled to hard. LoL. What an embarrassment it is. That’s why every qb is a whiny diva always begging for a flag. We never seen that in Montanas era. Qbs were tough as nails back then and would get back up after a hit without whining and begging for a flag. You had to earn your yards unlike today with all the referees help.
    #1Montana
    #2Bradshaw
    #3Elway

  94. Tom is the G.O.A.T. …..YOU know it…..I know it….. the WORLD knows it……
    & he’s STILL playing!!!!
    I love how TB12 just keeps expanding on his GREATNESS…… it’s an honor to be able to witness all his accomplishments, past present & future…..
    JUST AWESOME!!!

  95. kissbillsrings says:
    December 18, 2018 at 1:25 pm
    Tom is the G.O.A.T. …..YOU know it…..I know it….. the WORLD knows it……
    & he’s STILL playing!!!!
    I love how TB12 just keeps expanding on his GREATNESS…… it’s an honor to be able to witness all his accomplishments, past present & future…..
    JUST AWESOME!!!
    ————————-
    Yep he keeps expanding his road losses, interceptions, losing streak IN Miami, etc.

  96. He could be right. And it’s something that can’t be reversed or practice can help. I noticed it last week in Miami with a couple of throws and decisions that Brady would never normally have made.

  97. Yep he keeps expanding his road losses, interceptions, losing streak IN Miami, etc.
    ———————————————————-
    The road loss & losing streak in Miami are BOTH on the D……
    Brady gave them the lead with 7 seconds left & 70 yards to go with no time outs…… your jealousy & outright disregard for the obvious only proves your bias…..

  98. If Montana played in today’s era of flag football and qbs being protected, he’d have 10 superbowls.
    ——
    There’s no chance he would have 10 Super Bowls but there’s actually a very good chance he would have zero. 🙂

  99. Darren Woodson NAILED it. THIS is why the yammering and drooling about how QB not named Brady would have won 52 Super Bowls with Belichick falls right on its butt. 🙂

    The ability to go out week in and week out, under pressure, play at that level, play in that many AFC Championship Games, play a full schedule of 19, 20 games and then come back the next year and play another 20 games—under the toughest, most grind-it-out coach in the history of the game—in Bill Belichick, no one can do that. That speaks to who he is. No way is Rodgers (or anyone else) going to deal with Bill Belichick for that amount of time without his ego popping up. Brady’s special in the fact that it’s not about him, man. That’s why I feel like he’d be the ultimate teammate. Tedy Bruschi would tell you in a heartbeat, he’s a great teammate because there’s not a selfish bone in his body. It’s about winning—at all costs—and that means everybody’s on board.

  100. Montana played for the 49ers from 1979-1992….. the Salary Cap was introduced in 1994…..ALSO…. Free Agency WASN’T implemented till 1993…….
    The 49ers could buy players & never have to worry about them leaving for more money from another team or worry about how much the were allowed to spend….. a blank check if you will….
    Brady & the Patriots have had to overcome BOTH of those obstacles durring his ONGOING career…..Brady has played his entire career outside in a cold weather environment……Brady & the Pats have also had to deal with a corrupt & jealous LEAGUE & COMMISSIONER that have STOLEN 2 1st round picks & a 4th durring that time…..
    Remember when the League & Roger promised transparency on the deflate gate fiasco….. the STILL haven’t released the findings…. you know, the ones that science already has…..
    Brady is the G.O.A.T. ……. not even close anymore…..

  101. Montana played for the 49ers from 1979-1992….. the Salary Cap was introduced in 1994
    ——
    I love how the opinion that Montana would have won so many Super Bowls today is accepted as fact when it isn’t at all.

    There’s good reason to believe he wouldn’t have won any.

  102. The 9ers didn’t have to deal with the cap?

    Well neither did the Cowboys. Or the Redskins. Or the Giants. Or the Monsters of the Midway.

    This worked AGAINST Montana, not FOR him.

    And teams operated the EXACT same way; aging vets got AXED.

    Watch the Americas Game segment on the ’81 9ers. Randy Cross was told by Walsh, ‘he had a number of years left’… ‘but they wouldn’t be with the 49ers’..

    If you believe Brady is better, fine. The salary cap era is by far the weakest of the reasons you can come up with to prove that theory.

  103. Remember when the League & Roger promised transparency on the deflate gate fiasco….. the STILL haven’t released the findings…. you know, the ones that science already has…..
    —-
    Oh we all know why they haven’t. If Patriot Hater was honest they would know too. Facts.

  104. He’s played much worse this year than the last few, especially against the blitz, which is unusual because that has historically been one of his strengths (especially the last couple of seasons since he dramatically improved his ability to move inside the pocket…I want to say since about 2012? That’s when it seemed to me that he got a lot better at it than before). The article is correct to state, of course, that he is still one of the NFL’s best this year, but his performance against pressure has been noticeably worse this season.

  105. “It’s still better to have Brady back there in big games for a little while longer, but I don’t think anyone should be under the illusion that this is 2007 Brady”

    ———-

    Your overall point is correct, I believe, but I would raise the argument that the Brady of the past three or four years is actually more difficult to beat. Since his knee injury, Brady has worked on his mobility in the pocket and in the last several years has improved it dramatically. Though the Patriots scheme has remained conceptually intact, McDaniels works with him better than any of his previous OCs, and Brady is more comfortable running the offense and McDaniels is more in tune with what Brady likes to do. Brady is also better at reading defenses.

    His deep accuracy may have suffered, but other than that, I think Brady has been better overall the last few years than he was when he was setting or almost setting single season records in the mid 2000s. Granted, the defensive rules have also changed more dramatically the last few years so that may be skewing the appearances, but I feel that I had been seeing a number of plays each game where the younger Brady would have been sacked for certain, and the older version moved to the side or stepped up to avoid it. As an example, Tony Romo used to be very, very good at that-a guy who never really scrambled but was great at moving inside the pocket to avoid pressure.

  106. Stats are for losers. Brady is still very very capable, and there is no better field general, even if he isn’t 100%. The Pats have been trying to run the ball and play more aggressive defense in order to account for/plan for some reduction in QB play. This is not the end, especially with such mediocrity out there.

    I’m more worried that there is still a schism between Belichick and Brady/Gronk/Kraft. After what happened in the Super Bowl, and all the off season drama targeting the atmosphere there, and knowing how he altered the practices this year for more fun, and hearing Belichick’s response to losing in Miami and Pittsburgh (“nobody died” etc), this is not vintage Belichick. It may be a slightly passive aggressive message that this is what happens when you don’t do things my way, and you let the players run the show. I’m not saying he isn’t coaching, but he seems a bit resigned to some of these outcomes. I hope they have it in them to see what is in front of them and seize the day.

  107. Starr’s number of championships
    ))))))))
    You keep on bring Star into the Brady conversation just please stop. Brady is light years better than Bart Star championships counting or not. So was Favre. And if you want to bring up an old guy, bring up Otto Graham. He had more championships than you boy Bart.

  108. SWFLPC.INC says:
    December 18, 2018 at 8:37 am
    Joe was not even good enough to make it to more than four SBs.
    )))))))))))))))))
    True he didn’t play in as many SB’s as Tom.But Joe was good enough not to lose in the SB game. Joe never threw a pick 6 in a SB game.Or for that matter Joe didn’t throw an INT in a SB game ever. That’s how good Joe was 4-0.The Falcons and Seahawks farted away the SB or your boy has two more loses. Different era’s, you shouldn’t rip Montana, the HOF QB to make a case for Tom. If a Jim Burt type hit was allowed in Tom’s time. Tom might not be playing the last 4 years too.

  109. aarons444 says:
    December 18, 2018 at 4:20 pm
    The 9ers didn’t have to deal with the cap?

    Well neither did the Cowboys. Or the Redskins. Or the Giants. Or the Monsters of the Midway.

    This worked AGAINST Montana, not FOR him.

    And teams operated the EXACT same way; aging vets got AXED.

    Watch the Americas Game segment on the ’81 9ers. Randy Cross was told by Walsh, ‘he had a number of years left’… ‘but they wouldn’t be with the 49ers’..

    If you believe Brady is better, fine. The salary cap era is by far the weakest of the reasons you can come up with to prove that theory.
    =========================
    I get your general point against parity in the salary cap era. I’m not sure I agree with the notion that it worked against Montana. The sheer number of quality of players on those pre-cap teams far surpass what we see today. The cap was put in place to distribute that concentration of wealth (for lack of a better term). It’s hard to argue the teams Montana were on suffered due to the lack of a cap. League wide maybe. The 49ers? Not much.

  110. Brady is a great QB u can’t take that from him but he’s not the greastest that title goes to Montana the true G.O.A.T Brady been to 8 SB won 5 but in reality only won 2 he had to rely on his kicker and also on his defense to win the other 3 SB. Not like Montana he won all of his 4 SB by putting together scoring drives also keep in mind he was playing in the era of many great QB’s annmd teams. Marino, Elway, Aikmen,etc. Don’t forget the Bears defense . The teams Brady competed during his past 16 seasons are nothing compare to the teams from the 80’s and 90’s. So Montana will always be the true G.O.A.T.

  111. I get your general point against parity in the salary cap era. I’m not sure I agree with the notion that it worked against Montana. The sheer number of quality of players on those pre-cap teams far surpass what we see today.
    =====

    I think in every era, we’ve seen the same number of elite-type teams, and an equal number of bottom feeder organizations that couldn’t put it together no matter how hard they tried.

    I think Montanas era was tough because teams were kept together for long periods. Not just the great teams. 2/3 of the League. To me, that just spells better product.

    And yes, Montana played with an absurd amount of talent. I’m not fool enough to deny that, but that was also the case in Chicago, Washington, Houston, Buffalo.. many Montana-era teams. Then you had Parcells and Belichick, who crafted *teams* and won 2 Rings.

    Its the best era of football I’ve seen, and Montana dominated it.

  112. Brady is a great QB u can’t take that from him but he’s not the greastest that title goes to Montana the true G.O.A.T Brady been to 8 SB won 5 but in reality only won 2 he had to rely on his kicker and also on his defense to win the other 3 SB.
    ______________________________________________________________________________________________________

    As always, this take makes no sense. I didn’t realize Brady won his first two SBs 3-0. It was only his kicker who scored points in those games? I also forgot Brady was the only QB to ever have a good defense. I guess no QB that as ever won a SB has had a good defense. On the flip side, for the 3 SB loses, didn’t Brady lead 4th quarter drives to put the Pats up only to see his defense give up TD drives late in the 4th to essentially seal the game?

    Montana was a great QB, but he only made it to and won 4 SBs. Winning 5 and playing in 8 will always be better than winning and playing in 4. Its really simple math.

  113. Tom brady is sound they just have to make the plays that are there. the team can play much better in all phases, they just have to play their best ball and if they do they won’t have to leave home from atleast 3weeks.dont count out the pats it hasnt been pretty lots of ups and downs but their in the hunt.

  114. Only reason Montana only got to 4 Super Bowls was because he played in much tougher era against all time great teams in his own conference.

    ————————–

    blessedunliketherest says:

    Montana was a great QB, but he only made it to and won 4 SBs. Winning 5 and playing in 8 will always be better than winning and playing in 4. Its really simple math.

  115. You keep on bring Star into the Brady conversation just please stop. Brady is light years better than Bart Star championships counting or not.
    =====

    Starr had a 9-1 post-season record, 3-peated, AND is the highest rated post-season passer ever.

    Stop trying to INVALIDATE him.

  116. I agree with Woodson. Brady’s skills have eroded due to father time, its unavoidable. Brady’s demeanor at the post-game press conference was surreal. He did not seem to be having fun at all. I did not watch much of the game but I also noticed Brady seemed to not want to step up and throw the ball. Perhaps he is nursing an injury. Brady right now is reminding me of Favre in his 2009 season with the Vikings. That was Favre’s last productive season and although he played in 2010 his career was over after that ’09 campaign. If Brady is smart he will hang it up and not turn in a crappy swansong to an otherwise great career. It will be sad to see Brady play next year should he turn in a final season like Favre did in 2010.

  117. aarons444 says:
    December 19, 2018 at 3:13 pm

    Starr had a 9-1 post-season record, 3-peated, AND is the highest rated post-season passer ever.

    Stop trying to INVALIDATE him
    )))))))))))))))))))))
    Otto Graham led the Browns to 10 straight championship games with them winning 7 of them. Otto > Bart

  118. Deric Gregory says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:58 pm
    phillybilly 00 says:
    December 17, 2018 at 6:31 pm
    He’s had the shiznit beat out of him his whole life . . . And he’s just feeling it now?!
    GOAT.
    ————

    1. Brady is actually one the least sacked QB’s in NFL history. He’s rarely been sacked more than 30 times in a season.

    true, but what you leave out is the fact that he gets hit after release a TON and rarely gets an RTP call. The guy has taken a beating throughout his career and, according to multiple opponents, a very tough player. It’s just sound less intelligent when we hear the “Father Time” predictions. Of course he will. That’s like saying if you drop something, it falls.

  119. aarons444 says:
    December 19, 2018 at 3:13 pm
    You keep on bring Star into the Brady conversation just please stop. Brady is light years better than Bart Star championships counting or not.
    =====

    Starr had a 9-1 post-season record, 3-peated, AND is the highest rated post-season passer ever.

    Stop trying to INVALIDATE him.

    LOVE Starr, watched him play. He’s great. Almost as great as Brady. Stop trying to OVERRATE him.

  120. LOVE Starr, watched him play. He’s great. Almost as great as Brady. Stop trying to OVERRATE him.
    ======

    I am not of the opinion Starr > Brady.

    I wouldn’t know in the first place, I never saw a down he played.

    But there certainly are reasons why one would draw that conclusion. They are valid.

  121. Hopefully Brady goes out like Favre. Just physically demolished every week. I want defensive players to treat him like a killer whale tossing a seal with its tail.

    The man who embodies finesse football and has turned the NFL into flag football needs a physical and violent exit.

  122. I get it you are a packer fan but nobody is talking Bart Starr as the greatest for a reason. He is a better man than a player for sure.Even Bart would set you straight if possible.
    Super Bowl I Bart throws for 250 yards and 2 TD’s against the Chiefs. Next game Bart throws for 202 and 1 TD in super bowl II. Those are Brad Johnson type numbers. I like Bart Starr too but come on. Otto> Bart

  123. Starr won 90% of this post-season games

    He’s the only QB in the Playoff format to 3-peat

    He’s the highest rated post-season passer of all-time.. perhaps his most impressive accomplishment.. in an unbelievably physical era where everyone was getting mauled and beat up

    I’m not making Starrs case. It makes itself. So those that DO care to go down that road certainly have the ammo to stand their ground.

  124. aarons444 says:
    December 21, 2018 at 9:39 am
    Starr won 90% of this post-season games

    He’s the only QB in the Playoff format to 3-peat

    He’s the highest rated post-season passer of all-time.. perhaps his most impressive accomplishment.. in an unbelievably physical era where everyone was getting mauled and beat up

    In an era where the heaviest guy was 280lbs, and those were few. Getting hit by a 320lb guy is far more damaging. You need to review your mass/speed/force equations if you want to make an accurate comparison.

  125. Yeah..

    Butkus wasn’t tough.. Deacon Jones… ever hear of the head slap?…. Ever seen a Jim Taylor run?.. Jim Brown..

    Ever seen Night Trane Lane clothesline anyone?

    What a weak era.. LMAO

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