Eagles remain firmly committed to Carson Wentz for the future

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Last year, a December knee injury to quarterback Carson Wentz opened the door for backup Nick Foles to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl and win it. This year, a December back injury to Wentz allowed Foles to lead the Eagles to their biggest win of the year, an upset over the heavily-favored Rams.

With plenty of chapters left to be written in Philly’s Book of 2018, coach Doug Pederson already has reiterated that, when 2019 arrives, Wentz will still be the quarterback.

“I can stand here and say that Carson is our quarterback,” Pederson told reporters on Friday. “He’s our quarterback in the future. That’s why we drafted him. It’s also why we have Nick here as a backup, as a veteran player to — I don’t want to say bail us out, but to come in and execute the offense. I think we just continue to reconfirm that with Carson and let him know that. Continue to say, ‘Hey, listen you’re going to be here for a long time, have a long career.’ We just have to commit to that and communicate that to him and let that kind of sink in.”

But how deep will it sink? As discussed earlier this week on both PFT Live and #PFTPM, at some point Foles could carry the Eagles far enough to force Pederson and the rest of the Eagles’ brain trust to convene a meeting aimed at determining whether it will be Foles or Wentz in 2019.

That’s a premature conversation. But if Foles gets the Eagles to the playoffs, maybe that’s the time for the conversation. If he’d beat the No. 3 seed (currently the Bears) in the wild-card round, maybe that’s the time for it.

If Foles at least keeps it close in the divisional round with the top-seeded Saints (assuming they nail it down), that would definitely be the time for it, because the Wentz-led Eagles suffered a 48-7 blowout in New Orleans during the regular season.

Yes, the Eagles made a huge investment to trade up and draft Wentz in 2016. But while Wentz is the better quarterback, there’s an argument to be made that the team is better with Foles under center.

Chris Simms offered a theory during Wednesday’s PFT Live. He thinks that the Eagles become sufficiently smitten with Wentz’s skills that they abandon their game plan and lean on Wentz when they shouldn’t. With Foles, they go deeper into the playbook, committing to their broader philosophies and strategies in lieu of hoping for a quick fix.

Again, for now there’s no reason to depart from Wentz. But there’s a point short of winning a second straight Super Bowl with Foles where the team’s mind should change.

And, yes, winning a second straight Super Bowl with Foles definitely should change the team’s mind.

44 responses to “Eagles remain firmly committed to Carson Wentz for the future

  1. Rather than worrying who the QB will be for the “second straight Super Bowl win” maybe they should first concentrate on making it into the playoffs. Because if the playoffs started today, the Eagles would be sitting at home.

  2. That’s nice, but am I the only one who thinks they’re actually a better team with Foles at QB
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    YES you are!!!!!

    wentz hasn’t been healthy all yr but he is head and shoulders better than foles when healthy

  3. No team will pay starter’s money to Foles.

    He will return to the Eagles next year as backup to Wentz.

  4. SWFLPC.INC says:
    December 21, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    Wentz is proving to be a colossal bust
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    You’re clueless but I’ll bite anyway…the Eagles don’t win the Super Bowl last year without Carson Wentz’s accomplishments during the regular season. When he’s back to his 2017 form next season you’ll be looking for another to hate on him.

  5. They invested quite a lot in Wentz and he is the more skilled QB. And I agree with the point that they lean on him a bit too much and get pass happy. Which the injuries at RB didn’t help, more so when you remember that Pederson is from the Reid coaching tree.
    With Foles they are more balanced on offense. I can’t remember the article I read it on but a previous comment said hopefully they can find a middle ground between the way they run the offense between the two and I agree with that

  6. That would be dumb to go with foles over wentz, do people forget he was going to be league MVP before tearing his ACL last year?. As bad as Goff has been playing should the Rams be looking for a different QB this off season??

  7. If they get there to the Super Bowl again with Foles, I’m sure that Wentz would want out because Philly would always be known as Foles town, the hero. Tough breaks here for Wentz.

  8. No way Wentz would have been MVP last year. Same could have been said for Watson. After seeing Wentz play THIS year, we can see that it’s equally likely (or more likely), that the Eagles would not have played well down the stretch with Wentz under center, and would have been most likely eliminated in the playoffs. Wentz has shown small stretches of high quality quarterbacking.

    But by in large, the sample size is getting large enough to say he’s quite average. He’s 23-17 as a starter. That’s about 9 wins per year. Contrast to Dak Prescott. He’s 30-16. Not only has he played more, he’s won a lot more. Dak’s win percentage is almost 10.5. Remove politics and bias- on paper, if winning is your game, Prescott is your QB over Wentz. Truf.

  9. Of course the Eagles are committed to Carson Wentz and rightly so. He is a talented young QB. And, despite the clamoring of the media isn’t any more injury prone than most Quarterbacks.

    Nick Foles is a solid backup to Carson Wentz and I have always been a Foles fan but even I must admit that if forced to choose between tow talented young QBs in their 20s, I would choose Carson Wentz every time.

    That isn’t an insult on Nick Foles as much as it is the reality on Carson Wentz. He is the real deal. Foles is too but Wentz is simply the better of two very good Quarterbacks.

  10. Seems logical one is a 25 year old high pick and the other is about to turn 30. Though Foles can start, I still remember 2012 a dominate year. I’d take him over Stafford any day.

  11. Wait until they have to pay Wentz $25 million a year and he misses 4-6 games, without Foles as a back-up.

  12. Let’s not get carried away. They haven’t even made the playoffs yet, and even if they win out there’s a chance they don’t. Wentz has played pretty well considering the knee and back injuries. Also, while Foles had a nice game upsetting the Rams, the D balled out, which they haven’t done most of the year and that’s not Wentz’ fault.

    But yeah, if they win 2 more regular season games, 3 playoff games, and then the Super Bowl then we can talk. I’m a huge Eagles fan but I don’t think that’s happening.

  13. Seems like the third paragraph from the end says it’s a coaching problem, if you playcall better with one than the other.

  14. Yeah…no, folesian society, no. IF he wins the super bowl again (which I don’t believe is possible) but IF it happens again, then it’s time to have that discussion but until then, no. Wentz is the guy when healthy

  15. Yes, Eagles should definitely stick with Wentz and give him a big QB contract at the end of his current deal. These back injuries always heal perfectly. They never stick around and flare up, causing a player to miss multiple games, and eventually retire early….

  16. Wentz is better, but Foles would definitely be an improvement over a lot of starters in the league. I don’t know when his contract ends, but he should get a deal for a few years at a nice price, especially because he seems like a really hard worker and a good leader. Josh McCown has stayed in the league for 15 years and it’s not because he is a great talent. It’s because he shows up to play, he is reliable, and he knows what he can do and cannot do on the field. I see a lot of that in Foles (although Foles does seem more talented than McCown).

  17. Steven says:
    December 21, 2018 at 1:09 pm
    SWFLPC.INC says:
    December 21, 2018 at 1:00 pm
    Wentz is proving to be a colossal bust
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    You’re clueless but I’ll bite anyway…the Eagles don’t win the Super Bowl last year without Carson Wentz’s accomplishments during the regular season. When he’s back to his 2017 form next season you’ll be looking for another to hate on him.

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    You guys claimed he would be back to his 2017 form this year. He wasn’t and may never be.

  18. wentz hasn’t been healthy all yr but he is head and shoulders better than foles when healthy

    You can’t use this illogical thinking if the you’re referencing is ALWAYS hurt

  19. wentz hasn’t been healthy all yr but he is head and shoulders better than foles when healthy

    You can’t use this illogical thinking if the player you’re referencing is ALWAYS hurt

  20. You go with the hot hand or your an idiot. I remember Doug Flutie won a bunch of games down the stretch with the Buffalo Bills and then they put Rob Johnson in for their first playoff game because he was “the starter” and they got curb stomped. I would play Foles until he give them a reason not to.

  21. SWFLPC.INC, anyway that thought Wentz was going to be able to come back from a rebuilt knee without any work over the summer on just becoming a better QB, doesn’t know football and doesn’t know the human body. Wentz will take it easy for 3 months and put the time in this summer to become a better QB whereas last summer he spent it rehabbing almost exclusively. Hate away, unless you Mahomes or possibly Watson, there’s no other QB I’d want for the next 10 years.

  22. thefiesty1 says:
    December 21, 2018 at 3:09 pm
    What are they going to do if Foles leads them to back to back SB’s?

    do you really think the refs will look the other way on enough penalties again for them to win back to back? The NFL likes these rags to riches stories. Which team will get the nod this year? I really want to say LAC but I can’t bring myself to believe it can happen.

  23. The Eagles’ season may effectively end on Sunday against the Texans but if somehow they win and Foles keeps it going, turning into a deep playoff run, you’ve got to think that the Eagles will ride Foles for as long as it lasts (this year). Even if Wentz could play, they’ll stay with Foles as long as the team is alive this year, saying that they don’t want to take any chances with Wentz’s back injury. If by some miracle, Foles leads them to another Super Bowl win, the Eagles will definitely be faced with a tough decision. Actually, there is no decision to be made. Wentz will continue to be the franchise quarterback. The “tough” part of it will be justifying that decision to the fans and media.

  24. thetooloftools says:
    December 21, 2018 at 3:39 pm

    You go with the hot hand or your an idiot. I remember Doug Flutie won a bunch of games down the stretch with the Buffalo Bills and then they put Rob Johnson in for their first playoff game because he was “the starter” and they got curb stomped. I would play Foles until he give them a reason not to.
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    by curb stomped you mean losing on a miracle play “music city Miracle” with under a minute to go?………….asking for a friend

  25. I’m not sure anyone really knows WHAT Foles is really capable of. He got forced into the Chipster’s roller coaster ride, then had to play for the Rams under that offensive genius Jeff Fisher. I think he’s gotten a raw deal, at least as much as Alex Smith.
    He’s a very different QB than Wentz so of course the game gets called differently. What really strikes me about Foles is how much more effective he can be with deep throws. He’ll stand in that pocket, wait as long as it takes and deliver the ball accurately even if he gets hammered. Wentz is all over the place – exciting to watch, but maybe not as consistent as he needs to be. And whoever brought up fact that he’s not back 100% from that knee is right on point.
    If Foles wins out and gets this team deep into the playoffs then he deserves a genuine chance to be the starter somewhere. If the Eagles won’t give him that chance then he’ll get it somewhere else. And probably a big chunk of money as well.

    Having said all that, I hope Watt, Clowney & Co. take him apart like a Tonka toy this weekend.

  26. “…Eagles become sufficiently smitten with Wentz’s skills that they abandon their game plan and lean on Wentz when they shouldn’t. With Foles, they go deeper into the playbook, committing to their broader philosophies and strategies…”

    The most obvious fix, then, would be to “go deeper into the playbook” and stay “committ[ed] to their broader philosophies and strategies” with the better QB.

    These guys get millions and can’t figure this out?

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