Packers admit “complacency” had infected the football operation

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They staunchly denied it while Mike McCarthy served as head coach, but they’re admitting it now.

The Packers had grown satisfied, and it was time to rid the team of that feeling.

During Wednesday’s press conference introducing new coach Matt LaFleur, CEO Mark Murphy explained that he gathered information from nine players (one from each position group) regarding what the players hoped to achieve under a new coach.

“They wanted someone who would hold the players accountable,” Murphy explained. “They felt a complacency had set in among some players and coaches. . . . Is there something we could do to shake people up so they don’t have the complacency?”

That’s the key word: Complacency. As in getting rid of it. Which means, obviously, that McCarthy was ultimately responsible for creating it.

It’s no surprise, especially in light of the absence of a traditional owner. Indeed, PFT has pointed out the signs and symptoms of complacency, and the friction it created, over the past several years. During the 2016 season, quarterback Aaron Rodgers complained openly about a lack of energy on the sidelines. Not long after that, he bemoaned the absence of a healthy fear of getting fired if players weren’t doing their jobs.

Both gripes trace to the head coach, and Rodgers’ willingness to openly comment on those dynamics were interpreted by some (us) as a passive-aggressive tug-of-war between Rodgers and McCarthy.

Aaron didn’t appreciate that very much. He didn’t appreciate it perhaps because the arrow hit the bull’s-eye. And Murphy has now admitted it.

It’s a bit stunning that Murphy was so candid, and it’s not a good sign for McCarthy, if as he claims he intends to return to coaching in 2020. Beyond concerns about an overly simplistic (and obsessively rigid) offensive philosophy, McCarthy will (or at least should) have to answer tough questions about how and why complacency descended onto the Packers under his watch.

96 responses to “Packers admit “complacency” had infected the football operation

  1. There was no coming back from the Seattle debacle in 2014-2015. The guy also constantly got out-coached by Coughlin, Carroll and Harbaugh. The Packers fired him 4 years too late and their SB window is closed because of it. Sad!

  2. McCarthy > Rodgers. Diva at QB, throws teammates under the bus, demands to be the highest paid player, etc …

    Rogers is no different then T.O., Chad Johnson, Odell Jr., Dez, the clown DB in Jacksonville ….. Will never win with those types of locker room players. Green Bay will be an 8-8 team for decades to come.

  3. “McCarthy will (or at least should) have to answer tough questions about how and why complacency descended onto the Packers under his watch.”

    Meh, in today’s environment 13 seasons of the same HC at the helm combined with some soft division competition (does anyone outside MN take the Vikings seriously?) and a QB that more often than not is easily capable of pulling your fat from the fire is more than enough reason for some complacency to set in. Coaches with double digit tenures like Belichick, Tomlin, Payton and Harbaugh are the exception nowadays not the rule.

  4. And therein lies the root of the problem with McCarthy. It shows, beyond a shadow of a doubt, why Aaron Rodgers was upset and why he had a very good reason to be.
    But Murphy is part of the problem too, because Packers fans like me saw this happening for a while too, and so should have Murphy. He was asleep at the wheel as much as McCarthy was.

  5. Lol, Cowboys fans talking about a team being 8-8….

    AR has played in more NFCCG games that your HC has won playoff games overall.

  6. I saw this a mile away. The media was raving about Ted Thompson constantly and I kept seeing poor drafts on the defensive side of the ball and wondering what on earth they were looking at there.

    And, then you throw in the fact they were forced to overpay Rodgers due to Ozzie Newsome’s horrendous management in Baltimore, and there you go.

    If Thompson just focused more on the D, he’d still be employed. You do want to build offense FIRST in this era like BB does in NE, but you can’t completely whiff on Def picks either.

    BB built the current dynasty from 2010 and on, with the Rookie Cap and loaded up on picks and hit.

    And, don’t look now, but his set to re-invigorate the roster with this year’s draft and in particular next year’s deep draft with 2 picks in Rd 2 and 3 in Rd 3.

    having good knowledge of the quality of drafts and being patient, while knowing other teams’s situations is how you know the market, avoid cap hell and still have good or great teams, year to year.

    This proves BB is the greatest GM ever.

    Period.

  7. Hey a few years ago I noticed the Packers roster was stacked..then a couple years later they had nothing. Doubt it was McCarthy’s fault. Good luck Mr. LaFluer!

  8. GB: Your CEO had to interview 9 players to figure out what the rest of the country already knew?
    Sleep well.

  9. There was no coming back from the Seattle debacle in 2014-2015. The guy also constantly got out-coached by Coughlin, Carroll and Harbaugh. The Packers fired him 4 years too late and their SB window is closed because of it. Sad!
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    Outcoached by Zimmer the last three years as well. 4-1-1 last three seasons vs. Vikings. Not good.

  10. 66ray66 says:
    January 10, 2019 at 11:19 am
    CEO Mark Murphy admitted it publicly. if the new hire isn’t successful, CEO Mark Murphy will be looking for a job as well.

    —————-

    This is true, because Murphy and Ted Thompson were joined at the hip, so both are responsible.

    NOs also got giddy admiring their laurels from 2009 and had their hangover for years, too. How Mickey Loomis did not got fired, I have no idea.

  11. Cheese eaters called us trolls for saying this about that garbage team the past 2 years.
    And now hiring basically a caddie for Rodgers is going to magically change things? Why do I think the new Packer’s president will be admitting something similar next year at this time?

  12. Not sure this isn’t a bit of an overdone suggestion, this complacency. Are you telling me that the speed of which they cut an important contributor–#88–didn’t fight the complacency narrative?

  13. Packers needed to instill one singular rule to deal with the cultural problems suggested here…no filming commercials after Monday!. And thought that doesn’t just relate to the star qb he seems to be the main culprit of the me first commercialization with this team.

  14. Bruce Arians flat turned down interviewing with the Packer’s with the excuse he would only come back for Cleveland. Anyone notice where he is coaching now? There is a big reason he wanted no part of that dysfunctional locker room dynamic brought on by every one kowtowing to Rodgers. There is a reason Green Bay was only able to interview retreads and nobodies with Rodgers preferring the nobodies he could easily walk all over.

  15. Not surprising. Read the comments. Even the fans are complacent. You guys should have been outraged that Rodgers talents were wasted the last 5+ years. And, you’re talking about the past? Shouldn’t you guys be talking about the new coach and excitement? Maybe not.

  16. Mark Murphy says they needed to find “someone who would hold the players accountable.”

    Just last month, the Packers fired Winston Moss for tweeting “Find somebody that is going to hold #12 and everybody in this building accountable.”

    The difference in those statements (including #12) is subtle, but the opposite outcomes (being hired vs. being fired) speak volumes.

  17. In the NFC North, for the past several years both the Packers and Vikings have drafted poorly. On the other hand, while granted having lower draft picks in hand, the Bears have drafted quite well and did well signing free agents, and who knows what the hell Detroit ever does. For the Pack the poor drafting, especially the loading up in the draft on one position (such as DBs) is on Ted Thompson as was the foolish refusal to use free agency to fill obvious gaps in the roster (which BB has excelled at in New England). Add to that the reliance on ARod to bail the team out in multiple games each year and a rather pedestrian defence, no pass rush and crappy linebacking corps, and that pretty much tells the story.

  18. If that is the case accountability also belongs at a higher level than the head coach. Sounds like a number of people are either out of touch or complacent.

  19. Just because my fellow Packers fans said big Mike was so good that he’d instantly have several teams tripping over themselves to hire him if the Packers ever fired the big Mac, it doesn’t mean that we’re all delusional. Does it? Well, maybe it does. Because they were all so, so wrong.

  20. 2008 wants its idea back.

    “Its not his fault. Its not our fault”

    That was Murphys take on the Favre-debacle. One of the worst PR debacles in NFL history.. and all Murphy tried to do was deflect.

    This shouldn’t shock anyone.

    Mark Murphy, you sir are no Bob Harlan.

  21. In the off-season, Jordy Nelson wouldn’t accept a pay reduction and was cut. Demarious Randall complained about the defensive scheme and was traded. During the season Ha-Ha let it be known that he expected Pro Bowl money in his next contract. He got traded. Montgomery brought a kickoff out of the end zone and fumbled. He was traded. I doubt that players get complacent in an atmosphere like that. The complacency was on the part of McCarthy and his pal Moss, who believed the new GM was their buddy and that they were untouchable.

  22. If Thompson just focused more on the D, he’d still be employed. You do want to build offense FIRST in this era like BB does in NE, but you can’t completely whiff on Def picks either.
    ======

    Since the Super Bowl

    2011 – 4 defensive picks (of 10)
    2012 – 6 picks (of 8)
    2013 – 5 picks (of 11)
    2014 – 4 picks (9)
    2015 – 4 picks (8)
    2016 – 4 picks (7)
    2017 – 4 picks (10)

    5 1st rounders… only 1 contributing (Kenny Clark).. 3 total busts (Datone Jones, Nick Perry, Damarious Randall)
    5 2nd rounders.. only 2 left, neither a lock for 2019 (Kevin King, Josh Jones)

    He invested. HEAVILY. There was something more at work here.

    The coaching, scouting, development; this was ORGANIZATIONAL FAILURE.

  23. This proves BB is the greatest GM ever.
    =====

    I’ll watch for his 3-peat.

    And for when his Hall of Famer total hits 11.

    Till then, he can stand in line behind Lombardi.

  24. I just love it when organizations blame the guy who gets fired, but thebayers take NO RESPONSIBILITY!

    They QUIT on McCarthy!
    Totally unprofessional…players PLAY, coaches can only coach
    If the players, like A-Fraud, are gonna lay down LIKE DOGS, it speaks to a much bigger & deeper problem that runs throughout the organization!

  25. No different than the private sector. Sad to say but not all firms are run by forward thinking, dynamic leaders that solicit input from associates. If you “put yourself out there,” speak your mind or run the least bit counter to the established “culture” you run the risk of jeopardizing continued employment. That’s just the way it is sometimes.

  26. As I’ve seen many commenting on BB’s ability to coach, I to think he has been as good a coach as the league has seen in years. As long as he’s been in NE his message has never gotten old and stale as others have. I believe his message never gets old because he rotates his roster with new players almost every year with teachable newbie’s.

  27. QB’s want the big, big dollar
    that, leaves less for other positions
    when Rogers got his money – how many players had to be let go
    good for Rogers, he deserves every penny
    but with the salary cap, others must pay

  28. Bruce Arians flat turned down interviewing with the Packer’s with the excuse he would only come back for Cleveland.
    ======

    Did the Packers even contact him… and his 1 Playoff win??

    My assumption is, they saw that Seattle was his Super Bowl every year, and said “no thanks”..

  29. The only reason they aren’t the Browns of the NFC is because Favre and Rodgers fell into their laps. From 1968 to 1991 they were as bad as any franchise but as soon as Favre got there it turned around for them. Having 2 HOF QBs for 25+ years should have resulted in more than 2 super bowls. They’ve under-achieved imo.

  30. The thing about whats being said here is that last season one of the factors to the McCarthy/Rodgers friction was that Rodgers didn’t like McCarthy’s words about him needing to become more accountable. To hear what is being said now doesnt fit that. The new narrative sounds like Rodgers is suddenly the guy pushing for accountability. That “change the story to put all the blame on the guy thats gone now” is nothing new, we see in in organizations all the time both in and out of football. So whats to be hoped here is that what this really means is that Rodgers got that clue for himself and is also (rightfully) going to start pushing it for the rest of the team as well. It really doesnt matter if the party line matches reality or not. As long as underneath it all these guys understand what the deal really needs to be going forward and conduct things that way this team will be fine.

  31. Ty Montgomery got roasted because he tried to make something happen and ran a kickoff out of the endzone and deprived the “great” Aaron Rodger of a comeback opportunity. Got traded away IMMEDIATELY.

    Trading Ty sent a clear message to the team and the coaching staff.

  32. The only reason they aren’t the Browns of the NFC is because Favre and Rodgers fell into their laps. From 1968 to 1991 they were as bad as any franchise but as soon as Favre got there it turned around for them. Having 2 HOF QBs for 25+ years should have resulted in more than 2 super bowls. They’ve under-achieved imo.
    =====

    I agree, they have underachieved.

    But your premise is a bit off.

    By many accounts, Wolf overpaid for Favre in 1992, a 1st rounder for an unproven commodity. To say nothing of his epic partying at the time, which is now well documented.

    Wolf, Favre, Holmgren and Reggie White all deserve their share of credit for the franchises turnaround. Take away ANY of those pieces, and it may not have been possible. That’s the price they paid to overtake the Cowboys and 9ers.

    I think it is much more reprehensible that Thompson didn’t win more with Rodgers. Wolf inherited one of the worst organizations in football history. Thompson inherited one of the best.

  33. Well well well. We’ll see if this guy can light a fire under these guys. He may have to chop a few heads to get their attention though. I hope he can make the tough calls because if not the inmates will continue to run the prison.

  34. Rodgers has earned the right to call out complacency as he sees it. Maybe this is the New World Order among elite quarterbacks and I’m all for it. It’s better than standing up and spewing nothing more than apple-polishing, feel-good, superlatives as some “guaranteed “ players are prone to do, afraid to hurt somebody’s feelings. If his teammates don’t like it, they can take a walk. It’s a whole different level of seriousness now. It’s about time.

  35. doug ablitt says: “QB’s want the big, big dollar that, leaves less for other positions
    when Rogers got his money – how many players had to be let go”
    ==============================

    Rodgers 2018 salary cap was only $20.9m (11.8%) and next year it’s only $26.5m (13.9%).

  36. Rodgers 2018 salary cap was only $20.9m (11.8%) and next year it’s only $26.5m (13.9%)
    =====

    Yep

    14th among QBs in 2018… AFTER the new deal was signed

    He’s 7th next year.. but Wilson and Brady are set up for bank-breaking deals… Brees may also be extended.

  37. Better late than never. I can’t wait for next season to begin. I’m pumped! The nervousness being shown among the “I told you so” trolls confirms their jealousy and puts smiles on our faces. They’ve resorted to picking unnecessary fights for their sole entertainment, again. That figures. What else do they have? Packer fans have enjoyed an embarrassment of riches over many years and Viking fans simply feel embarrassed.

    Have fun!

  38. Front office is still fuming after Josh McDaniels said “no thanks “! I see!
    —–
    I heard the vikes tried to hire Hue Jackson as OC but he turned them down, citing the fact that he and Zim just couldn’t see eye to eye.

  39. The only way the complacency goes away is if LaFleur can cut some people and/or make a loud personnel statement.
    Will Rodgers & Murphy let him?

    Remember, Winston Moss said Rodgers needs to be held accountable, but he was fired minutes after he said it.

  40. For cripes sake, Rodgers wasn’t and isn’t even close to the problem. The problem is that the Packer’s organization isn’t structured to be nimble enough to first recognize a problem and then act on it. It was great when MM and TT were in their prime, but it took 3 years to act on MM and TT’s obvious declining performance. There is like a 45-person Board (which is a model of inefficiency) to which Murphy reports, there are separate Board committees to which Murphy reports, the head coach doesn’t even report to the football guy (the GM) but instead to Murphy the president, the GM reports to Murphy, who passes authority along to the various Board subcommittees. In short, the organization chart looks like a crossword puzzle.

  41. akira1971 says:
    January 10, 2019 at 12:44 pm
    Ty Montgomery got roasted because he tried to make something happen and ran a kickoff out of the endzone and deprived the “great” Aaron Rodger of a comeback opportunity. Got traded away IMMEDIATELY.
    Trading Ty sent a clear message to the team and the coaching staff
    ——-
    But they lost 31-0 to Detroit at home. That trade had zero effect.

  42. mnrasslinggovjesse says:
    January 10, 2019 at 12:06 pm
    In the off-season, Jordy Nelson wouldn’t accept a pay reduction and was cut.
    ###

    Revisionist history.

    Jordie was never asked to take a pay cut.

    Gutekunst just released him.

  43. “Rodgers’ willingness to openly comment on those dynamics were interpreted by some (us) as a passive-aggressive tug-of-war between Rodgers and McCarthy. Aaron didn’t appreciate that very much. He didn’t appreciate it perhaps because the arrow hit the bull’s-eye”
    ++++++

    If you do say so yourself.

  44. “During the 2016 season, quarterback Aaron Rodgers complained openly about a lack of energy on the sidelines. Not long after that, he bemoaned the absence of a healthy fear of getting fired if players weren’t doing their jobs.”

    This is classic, as Rodgers “energy” this season made him look like the 2nd coming of jay cutler, only worse. And “fear” if not doing their jobs, hmmm, Rodgers seemed to have the BIGGEST problem with that this year himself, not doing HIS job (missing open receivers, not recognizing blitz’s/defenses, not throwing to open receivers multiple times almost every game, questioning play calling (even though he supposedly had the power to change at the line, so did he do that & change into a bad play, or did he not to make MM look bad), finger pointing on the field, finger pointing in interviews, horrible body language on the field for a “leader”). Yet had an opinion it seemed like on everyone else’s job, not being consulted on Coaching changes, personnel moves, throwing Coaches & Teammates under the bus, all while saying he didn’t think he had any accuracy issues, & seemed to act like he was the only one NOT underperforming.

    And then as soon as Winston Moss said Rodgers should be held accountible, he got shown the door, nice.

    If the Packers hired a guy who is going to bow down to Prima Donna Rodgers, the Pack is doomed. If they hired someone who actually will hold him accountable, maybe we have a chance. I would love to see how Rodgers would react/respond if players & coaches talked to the press or acted on the field like he did last year.

    How great would it have been to hear McCarthy say, “I agree with Aaron 100% on our play calling, that is isn’t playoff caliber. That being said, Aaron changed the play 50% of the time I sent a play in, so he better start calling some better audibles or we may have to make some changes.”

    Or one of the receivers like MVS say after the 2nd bears game, “yep, we left alot of plays out there today, like when I clearly beat my guy and was primed to score a long momentum changing touchdown, only to have Rodgers overthrow me by a mile. I really hope he starts to get his accuracy back.”

    Or after the cheathawk game, Aaron Jones could have said, “We need a galvanizing moment to spark us. It could have been on that last drive when I was wide open, nobody within 15 yards of me. If Rodgers didn’t take a sack & actually threw it to me, I probably would have scored the game sealing touchdown, I hope he starts to study the film a little more.”

    Or maybe McCarthy could have said, “Yes, we are struggling on offense. Maybe if Rodgers wasn’t so focused on State Farm Ads, Bose Product Placement, Bergstrom Ads, & haning out with Dannica Patrick, we could have more time to fix some issues. That being said, I understand completely why he needs to focus on his endorsements as he is only making 2 million dollars per game (wink wink).”

    I bleed Green & Gold, but if everyone else up here keeps drinking the Rodgers Kool Aid & thinks now that Coach McCarthy is gone, and he was the one holding him back, they better be ready to answer some questions if we don’t go 19-0 & win the Super Bowl next year, and Rodgers isn’t the MVP.

    I guess more will be revealed………..ha.

  45. thetruthcampaign says:
    January 10, 2019 at 11:37 am
    I wish the Lions or even former Lions would admit this.

    ————————

    I try to be as optimistic about The Lions as anyone on here, but you have to wonder if they are infected by complacency, or by mediocrity.

  46. I was one of the very last to get on the “fire McCarthy” train. When I finally did, it was due to the complete lack of discipline. There were far too many penalties and FAR too many of them were stupid penalties (taunting, etc). Mike Holmgren would have lost his mind entirely.

    Many of us talked about McCarthy’s message becoming “stale” but I do believe “complacency” sums it up perfectly. .

  47. “Former NFL coach Bruce Arians said Tuesday he has no interest in the Green Bay Packers’ open coaching job.

    “No, none at all,” Arians told Zach Gelb of CBS Sports Radio. “If I ever return to coaching, it will only be in Cleveland…I have no desire to coach at Green Bay.””

  48. What’s fun for me is watching some people react to any variation of the word “admit.” Not only here, but all over the Internet. As soon as some people see the word they instantly turn into Perry Mason, grilling the real bad guy on the stand until he finally breaks, exonerating Mason’s innocent client. Thrilling!

  49. McCarthy is very good at developing quarterbacks. What he was not good at was playcalling or game management.

    It also didn’t help that Ted Thompson basically ignored free agency for the better part of Rodgers’ time there. They won one SB and then assumed they would just go year in and year out without spending money on free agents just because they had Rodgers.

  50. stellarperformance says:
    January 10, 2019 at 1:00 pm
    Better late than never. I can’t wait for next season to begin. I’m pumped! The nervousness being shown among the “I told you so” trolls confirms their jealousy and puts smiles on our faces. They’ve resorted to picking unnecessary fights for their sole entertainment, again. That figures. What else do they have? Packer fans have enjoyed an embarrassment of riches over many years and Viking fans simply feel embarrassed.
    //////////////
    Man, you almost got there! It’s like you tried to focus on your own team, on an article about your team, but you just couldn’t help yourself. You just couldn’t get fully “pumped” about your team. You needed the Vikings to try and “pump” yourself up. It’s ok, after the last two years it has to be tough. You have one of the best QB’s in the history of the regular season, and your team is broken. Well, here’s to seeing what happens between the lines next season…

  51. So, when the Packers continue to lose on the road with Rodgers with this new coach next season, who’s going to be the scapegoat then? Oh, I know, it will be everyone else but Rodgers. His 100 million-dollar guaranteed contract is why it’s more difficult to keep the best players. Throwing the ball at the ground on 3rd and 2 or 4th and 1 isn’t helping either.

  52. If you are going to blame McCarthy for the losses then you have to say it was because of him that you won a super bowl. Can’t have it both ways

  53. ktm300xcwe says:
    January 10, 2019 at 11:31 am
    There was no coming back from the Seattle debacle in 2014-2015. The guy also constantly got out-coached by Coughlin, Carroll and Harbaugh. The Packers fired him 4 years too late and their SB window is closed because of it. Sad!
    ____________________________________________________________________________________________

    Outcoached by Zimmer the last three years as well. 4-1-1 last three seasons vs. Vikings. Not good.

    _________________

    Packers were swept by the Lions this season and last. Plus it took an absolute miracle to beat the Bears in game 1. So other than the miracle, the Packers didn’t beat a division rival this season. They’ll be duking it out for the cellar for years to come.

    Rodgers has as much to do with Green Bay’s demise as McCarthy. Players got tired of being thrown under the bus all the time by their prima donna QB. Compare Huntley’s season to this last season with Rodgers. Was Aaron much of an upgrade? Not really.

  54. If you are going to blame McCarthy for the losses then you have to say it was because of him that you won a super bowl. Can’t have it both ways
    =====

    21-3 lead just before the half.

    Aaron Rodgers had to kill 5:30 of clock and score, or the Packers lose that game.

    TERRIBLE big game coach. One of the worst ever.

  55. screamingyellowzonkers says: “But they lost 31-0 to Detroit at home. That (Ty) trade had zero effect.”
    =========================

    You missed the point completely. Complacency set in because no one else is allowed to be the “star” other than the QB. Montgomery had the nerve to try a game-breaking kickoff return instead of deferring to Aaron Rodgers.

    Also, as the media has reported, Rodgers has audibled out of McCarthy’s playcalling, which highly suggests Rodgers doesn’t like change and always reverts back into his comfort zone with old plays.

    Andy Benoit over at SI did a very good, detailed piece on all the “new age” passing plays designed by Mike McCarthy, only to have Aaron Rodgers not execute the timing play. For example, a creative new play he had in Miami 4th-and-2. Dolphins in zone D with nickel (2 LBs) so McCarthy has four WRs with their best, Davante Adams in the backfield matched against a linebacker. Adams breaks open, but Rodgers doesn’t throw and instead “extends” the play by scrambling. Gets sacked.

  56. aarons444 says:
    January 10, 2019 at 12:02 pm

    2008 wants its idea back.

    “Its not his fault. Its not our fault”

    That was Murphys take on the Favre-debacle. One of the worst PR debacles in NFL history.. and all Murphy tried to do was deflect.

    This shouldn’t shock anyone.

    Mark Murphy, you sir are no Bob Harlan.

    #######################################

    Right you are. Bob Harlan wouldn’t have let this happen.

    Murphy seemed to think the Titletown real estate development was more important than running the team. Then he over reacts (panics) and changes the organizational structure by not having Russ Ball and the head coach report to the GM.

  57. “Former NFL coach Bruce Arians said Tuesday he has no interest in the Green Bay Packers’ open coaching job.

    “No, none at all,” Arians told Zach Gelb of CBS Sports Radio. “If I ever return to coaching, it will only be in Cleveland…I have no desire to coach at Green Bay.””

    That doesn’t mean that the Packers where interested in Arians. He was probably just asked about the Packers and said he was not interested. He would have been a lousy choice for the Packers.

  58. You know who will never get complacent? viking fans when it comes to commenting on Packer articles. Day-in, day-out… regardless of what the article is even about… they’ll be there…

  59. calizcowboyz says:
    January 10, 2019 at 11:02 am
    Rogers is no different then T.O., Chad Johnson, Odell Jr., Dez, the clown DB in Jacksonville ….. Will never win with those types of locker room players. Green Bay will be an 8-8 team for decades to come.
    _____________________

    He is EXTREMELY different, first he’s won a Superbowl and those others haven’t… 2nd he tries to elevate the play of his teammates around him, ODB and those others guys were;t NEARLY as focused on that is AR is.

    When you coworkers make constant mistakes, do you want them to do it right so then everyone can be successful. or do you just not care and ride it out to whatever the end has in store for you?

  60. cheeseisfattening says:
    January 10, 2019 at 2:01 pm
    “Former NFL coach Bruce Arians said Tuesday he has no interest in the Green Bay Packers’ open coaching job.

    “No, none at all,” Arians told Zach Gelb of CBS Sports Radio. “If I ever return to coaching, it will only be in Cleveland…I have no desire to coach at Green Bay.””
    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Well, for starters, he’s a proven liar, I guess. Secondly, once he learned Green Bay had no interest in speaking with him, what else could he say? Thirdly, what’s your point? Lastly………who cares?

  61. Lying Old Goat……once again facts get in the way of your fantasies.

    “Jordy Nelson was released by the Green Bay Packers and he’s now currently looking for a new NFL team. However, Nelson could have stayed with the Packers at a discounted rate. According to Jason Wilde of ESPN Wisconsin, the Packers asked Nelson to take a pay cut. But the pay cut was so big that Nelson would have been making a little bit more than the veteran league minimum. Nelson was scheduled to make a little over $9 million this season. If Nelson decided to take the pay cut, he would have been making close to $2 million.”

  62. bordner says:
    January 10, 2019 at 3:07 pm
    You know who will never get complacent? viking fans when it comes to commenting on Packer articles. Day-in, day-out… regardless of what the article is even about… they’ll be there…
    ____________________________

    They apparently are in your head and behind every tree. Not every non-glowing packer comment is coming from your west. Just reading the forum makes that pretty clear.

    They are coming from the whole league of different fans. Dont’cha know

  63. bordner says:
    January 10, 2019 at 3:07 pm
    You know who will never get complacent? viking fans when it comes to commenting on Packer articles. Day-in, day-out… regardless of what the article is even about… they’ll be there…
    /////////
    That is so weird! A fan base commenting on a team from within their division? Especially when that other fan base NEVER comments on Vikings articles! Man, I’m so glad you pointed that out to us!

  64. shaggytoodle says:
    January 10, 2019 at 3:43 pm
    calizcowboyz says:
    January 10, 2019 at 11:02 am
    Rogers is no different then T.O., Chad Johnson, Odell Jr., Dez, the clown DB in Jacksonville ….. Will never win with those types of locker room players. Green Bay will be an 8-8 team for decades to come.
    _____________________

    He is EXTREMELY different
    ———————
    He definitely is. Those other guys are showing off taking different women all about town while Rodgers remains loyal to his old buddy Kevin.

  65. No wonder nobody’s touching Mike McCarthy for a job. The packers keep piling it on scapegoating him. First it was Aaron now packers management.

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