Rams may have the best run-blocking offensive line ever

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For much of this season, Rams running back Todd Gurley was touted as an MVP candidate, as he racked up 100-yard games and scored more than one rushing touchdown per game. But then a funny thing happened at the end of the season: Gurley missed two games. And the Rams didn’t miss him at all.

C.J. Anderson, who had been cut three times in the previous 10 months and assumed his season was over, showed up off the street and promptly played even better than Gurley: Anderson ran for 167 yards and a touchdown in his first game as a Ram, 132 yards and a touchdown in his second game as a Ram, and 123 yards and two touchdowns while sharing time with Gurley in the Rams’ playoff opener.

The reason the Rams could lose Gurley and get even better with a guy who’d been cut three times in 10 months is the offensive line. It might be the best run-blocking offensive line ever.

If that sounds like hyperbole, consider the Football Outsiders stat Adjusted Line Yards, which takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line. The stat magnifies plays when the running back gets tackled for a loss, as that’s usually the result of a blocking breakdown. And the stat treats any gain longer than 10 yards as if it were only a 10-yard gain, as anything beyond 10 yards usually isn’t the result of an offensive lineman’s block. By Adjusted Line Yards, the 2018 Rams set a new NFL record, with 5.49 adjusted line yards per carry.

Whether it’s Anderson stepping in from off the street and averaging 7.0 yards per carry, Gurley averaging 4.9 yards per carry, or Gurley’s backup Malcolm Brown averaging 4.9 yards per carry before he was injured late in the season, the Rams can run effectively with anyone carrying the ball. Enjoy watching Andrew Whitworth, Rob Havenstein, Rodger Saffold, Austin Blythe and John Sullivan block on Sunday. You may never see a better run-blocking offensive line.

98 responses to “Rams may have the best run-blocking offensive line ever

  1. They only have one running play outside zone and the success is as much about the threat of the pass off of that as it is anything else. They’re 1 dimensional like Mike Shanahans old lines. Nothing wrong with that but for my money I’d take the saints line.

  2. Except when they played the Eagles who shut them down for a mere 82 yards in the game. They are not even close to being the best Offensive line ever for running.

  3. Remember when they said no need to draft a RB until the middle rounds because it’s just one cut and downhill? Then they went back to drafting RB’s early again. Wish they would make up their minds….

  4. Anderson has been Better than Gurley? Come on, don’t forget what Gurley offers as a receiver. Anderson is half of what Gurley is because Gurley scares defenses both ways

  5. Today’s defenses are designed to stop the pass. How can you say this is the best ever when offenses used to run the ball against defenses that knew they were running it? The stats don’t tell the whole story.

  6. This everything now is the best ever promoting is getting utterly ridiculous. Todd Gurley is an elite running back. And CJ Anderson’s sample size with the Rams is very small.

    The 70s Raiders had an 11th round pick Marv Hubbard averaging 5 YPC (’72) in the days where stopping the run was the primary duty of every NFL team. We had Art Shell 4 times All Pro, Gene Upshaw 7 times All Pro, Bob Brown 9 times All Pro, Jim Otto 3 times All Pro. All 4 lineman are in the Hall of Fame.

    Plenty of other teams out there that blow this Rams line away as well.

  7. Bah. There have been many run dominant teams. For years, the Broncos amassed big yardage no matter who was carrying the ball. Terry Bradshaw mentioned Steelers games where they would only attempt 4 passes. Let’s see the Rams try that.

  8. It’s terrific that the OL has played so well this season, and they deserve a lot of credit, but it doesn’t detract from the running backs’ performance. Todd Gurley is an explosive RB, of course, but Malcolm Brown and C.J. Anderson have been great also — patience while the blocking develops, surging through any gap, and shedding tacklers. And what about ball safety — only ONE FUMBLE ALL YEAR amongst the three RBs. Great stuff.

  9. That unit was a joke back in the Sam Bradford days. It all turned around with the addition of Whitworth though.

  10. They give up an average 5.1 yards per carry, man. Are you serious? So they stopped Zeke…so did the saints on the road. I’m telling you right now…this game won’t be close.

    Saints 33-20

  11. And the saints have the best run stop defense. They won’t run for 200 this week…welcome to New Orleans.

  12. Here we go with another made up “metric”. The Dolphins OL of the 70s may be the best run-blocking OL of all-time. Csonka, Kiick and Morris all gained a ton of yardage themselves. They were the first team to have 2 1000 yard rushers in a season(14 game season). That OL also played in an era of run first. The defense knew Miami would run almost every play and still couldn’t stop ’em!Griese attempted a whopping 11 passes in SBVII. You don’t have to throw when the defense can’t stop the run.

  13. Cute to see all the Saints fans getting butthurt over some praise for the Rams.

    Also, stop saying “Welcome to New Orleans,” like it’s some sort of tough, hardscrabble town. Its nickname is The Big Easy, folks.

  14. Yep…#1. Guess who’s #2 at the same stat….New Orleans Saints. Gonna be a great game Sunday. Who Dat?!

  15. The Dallas OL in the early to mid nineties was the most dominant I’ve seen but I didn’t see 70’s football (besides nfl films). I hate the damn cowboys so it’s hard to write this.

  16. No way, Jose. There were other lines which were absolutely as good or better than these guys. Of the lines I have seen in my NFL watching lifetime, here are “O” lines which were every bit as good as these guys and even better, in my view.
    Vince Lombardi’s Packers’ offensive lines were so good, they used to tell the defensive linemen which way they were running when they lined up for the snap, run the ball that way and still get lots of yardage. That is the best line in the history of Pro Football, in my opinion.

    And don’t forget — you can only measure players in the eras which they played. The fact is — without question — no offensive line ever dominated their era more than the Packers line did under Lombardi. It is totally unfair to say otherwise.

    The other offensive lines I have watched which were as good as or better than these guys are in my opinion (not in any particular order) were:

    the Jimmy Johnson Cowboys lines of the 90’s. They were an unbelievable line and they made Emmitt Smith and Troy Aikman look better than they were.
    The 49’ers lines when Joe Montana and Roger Craig were there. They were a great line and no one talks about them.
    The Steelers line under Chuck Noll.
    The Dolphins line of the 80’s.
    The Redskins “Hogs” when Joe Theismann and John Riggins were there.
    The Bills of the 70’s.
    The Cards of the 70’s (they were called the meanest and dirtiest line in the history of Pro Football and their RG Conrad Dobler is maybe the dirtiest player in the history of football. He would bite guys when they were piled up on the ground. Dan Dierdorf, who played next to him at RT, said he even bit him a couple of times!).
    The Raiders of the 60’s and 70’s. There has never been a better left side of any line than the Raiders with LT Art Shell and LG Gene Upshaw. Throw in center Jim Otto and later RT Bob Brown (the first great lineman over 300 lbs) and they were an unbelievable “O” line.
    Jimmy Brown’s Cleveland Browns lines. Brown was the best RB I ever saw. He had it all — speed, power, quickness, moves, and toughness. But he also had great offensive lines. To me, there’s only one guy who I could compare to all the talent Jim Brown had — and that was Bo Jackson. There are other guys who were great RB’s too, and the argument could be made for them as the greatest, but when you look at everything Brown could do — and keep in mind he is still regarded as the greatest lacrosse player in history by many — he will always be #1 to me. And as a Packers fan, he drove me crazy because he was just so darned good.

    I did this off the top of my head, and I’m sure others in here will remind me of great lines I omitted, so sorry if I slighted any of them. My main point is though, this Rams line has a long way to go before they’re considered better than the lines I mentioned, in my view.

  17. Always with the “best ever” drama heading into these games and the SB. Manning had the “best ever” offense in 2013 and scored a whopping 8 points. Plus, if you create rules that emasculate defenses then of course the offenses league wide are going to look better than ever. Please stop with the hyperbole.

  18. every year there is the best of somebody or something and then the next year they’re not and the true best ever comes back to the top

  19. Jim Czerwinski says:
    January 19, 2019 at 8:30 am
    Except when they played the Eagles who shut them down for a mere 82 yards in the game. They are not even close to being the best Offensive line ever for running.

    Wondering if you understand that “best OL ever” doesn’t mean “They never got beat?” Amazing how one team in one game does one thing and it defeats every stat out there. If the stat says they get more RB yards out of the OL, then it means they are the best. If the stat goes back far enough, at least in the modern era, then it implies that they are up there. In any case, one game against the Iggles doesn’t take away from that.

    Remember the Vikings/Bills game? Bills destroyed them. Do you REALLY think the Bills are the better team? Better that day yes, but if anyone were laying odds on playoffs next year I think it we be the Vikings.

    Well, at least until you figure Kirk Cousins into the mix. SKOL!

  20. No, the best run blocking offensive lines were put together back when running backs were the premier position. Most defenses are built to get to the QBs, so a run blocking line in this day and age will appear to be more dominant when they really are not.

  21. Not the best ever, obviously, but tough and physical. Saffold has been underrated for a few years. Rob Havenst ein reminds me of a young Jon Runyan.

    And there are other factors at play. Rams use of motions and jet sweeps keep defenses off balance and the Rams big play passing offense and extensive use of play action means that teams are reluctant to stack the box.

  22. The Rams O-line from the 80´s that ran over Dallas D in playoffs, 20-0 (the rushing record this team just broke), but with Dieter Brock at QB (no pass threat): Jackie Slater, Kent Hill, Rich Saul, Dennis Harrah, Doug France.
    Every one was an All-Pro—literally the whole line started the Pro Bowl one year.

  23. As Eagle fan even I can admit the Cowboys Oline of the early 90s was the best Oline. They could pass pro and then of course steam-roll people paving the way for Emmitt. I saw the hogs and the Steeler lines of the 70s, each were good in their own right, for my money Intake that Cowboys line any day.

  24. Oh come on. Stop getting so excited by shiny new things.

    THe Hogs. And it isn’t even close. Come back after the Rams line has won 3 Super Bowls and spent ten years POUNDING defenses in the second half.

  25. The 70s Raiders had an 11th round pick Marv Hubbard averaging 5 YPC (’72) in the days where stopping the run was the primary duty of every NFL team. We had Art Shell 4 times All Pro, Gene Upshaw 7 times All Pro, Bob Brown 9 times All Pro, Jim Otto 3 times All Pro. All 4 lineman are in the Hall of Fame.
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    That’s the first o-line that came to mind when discussing all time best, have to add the KC Chiefs in the late 60’s, i.e, Moe Mooreman, Ed Budde, Jim Tyer, EJ Holub and Dave Hill

  26. Why is there a rush to this “best ever” classification all the time lately? They have one great game, one great season – and everyone wants to say they are the best there’s ever been.

  27. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    January 19, 2019 at 9:22 am
    Please see Dolphins early 70’s o-lines before recency bias takes over once again.
    They were the best ever o-lines in NFL history.
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    Keep telling yourself that chip. There’s no denying they were great, anyone that’s actually followed football since the 60’s will tell you they are definitely top ten but it would be inordinately generous to put them in the top 5.

  28. dejc421 says:
    January 19, 2019 at 10:28 am
    The 70s Raiders had an 11th round pick Marv Hubbard averaging 5 YPC (’72) in the days where stopping the run was the primary duty of every NFL team. We had Art Shell 4 times All Pro, Gene Upshaw 7 times All Pro, Bob Brown 9 times All Pro, Jim Otto 3 times All Pro. All 4 lineman are in the Hall of Fame.
    ————-
    That’s the first o-line that came to mind when discussing all time best, have to add the KC Chiefs in the late 60’s, i.e, Moe Mooreman, Ed Budde, Jim Tyer, EJ Holub and Dave Hill

    ____________

    Couldn’t agree more. That Raiders line of the 70’s mauled people. They had to play the Chiefs twice a year and that Chiefs D-line was as talented as any and their linebacking group was damn talented

  29. NuckingFutz says:
    January 19, 2019 at 11:11 am
    The Cowboys line in the 90’s had back ups that eventually left that made the pro-bowl for their new teams
    ++++++++++++++
    Nate Newton was cut by Washington because he wasn’t good enough to get a roster slot. Pretty damn good lineman, huh? That’s depth.

  30. The Ram offensive lines the Sixties and Seventies were pretty good.
    Blocking for Dick Bass, Les Josephson, Lawrence McCutcheon and Willie Ellison.
    Ellison , who held the best yardage in one game record until broken by Simpson.

  31. It’s not even better than our 2012 O Line

    LT – Joe Staley
    LG – Iupati
    C – Goodwin
    RG -Alex Boone
    RT- Anthony Davis

    Nobody on the Rams squad could crack that starting lineup.

    It’s not even better than our 1997 O Line when we had Ray Brown and Gogan wiping out entire D Lines.

  32. Dont try to pkay thw metrics game if you don’t understand the metrics rules. The metric you are cherrypicking does not take opponents (either quality or. game plan) into account at all, or consider wr rushes on jet sweeps (which LA does more than any team in football), or blocking by tight ends (Everett is superb), etc.

    It’s a good line. Up there with Philly, Dal, NO, and Pitt among the league’s best for 2018.

    But not in the conversation with Lombardi’s Packers, Madden’s Raiders, Johnson’s Cowboys, or hell even the ’88 Bengals. Anthony Munoz alone dwarfs this entire line.

  33. The best o line in history doesn’t need made up analytics to “adjust itself” to be the best ever. They just are and I don’t know who they is (I’ve seen many compelling points in the comment). This isn’t the best ever though

  34. And, being a homer even though I don’t live there, let us not forget the 78 Patriots with 3165 yards, one of the best teams that didn’t make a Super Bowl.

  35. Rams are using some of the Seahawks playbook and doing it better. I’m impressed with McVay and his ability to morph into whatever is needed to get the win. Hopefully Seattle can close the gap next year.

  36. Even in the hyperbolic world of today, I believe Mr. Lombardi’s Packers may have something to say about all that. Opponents knew the Power Sweep was coming and they still couldn’t do anything with it.

  37. Try the 1978 PATRIOTS. They set the record for most rushing yards in a season and no one else is even close. John Hannah, Leon Gray, Bill Lenkaitis, Sam Adams and Shelby . They had two #1 picks as backups. Pete Brock and Bob Cryder. Russ Francis was their TE. They had 11 games of more than 200 yards rushing. To put this in perspective. The 1978 PATRIOTS rushed for almost 1000 yards (3165) MORE than this years rams (2231). And it everyone knew the PATS were going to run the ball….and defenses were built to stop the run. And it wasn’t just a one year thing…And the PATRIOTS didn’t have a pro bowl HB. They had a pro bowl FB. Sam “Bam” Cunningham. It wasn’t the running backs. It wasn’t the RB’s. It was the Offensive Line…with two #1’s as BACK UPS!!!! That’s how good they were.

  38. e is even close. John Hannah, Leon Gray, Bill Lenkaitis, Sam Adams and Shelby Jordan. They had two #1 picks as backups. Pete Brock and Bob Cryder. Russ Francis was their TE. They had 11 games of more than 200 yards rushing. To put this in perspective. The 1978 PATRIOTS rushed for almost 1000 yards (3165) MORE than this years rams (2231). And everyone knew the PATS were going to run the ball….and defenses were built to stop the run back then. And it wasn’t just a one year thing…and the PATRIOTS didn’t have a pro bowl HB. They had a pro bowl FB. Sam “Bam” Cunningham. It wasn’t the running backs. It was the Offensive Line…with two #1’s as BACK UPS!!!! That’s how good they were.

  39. I think as far as offensive lines go, someone should include the Raiders line of Upshaw and Shell as being at the top of any argument.

  40. I don’t know the answer because I haven’t watched every Rams game this year but how often do they see an 8-9 man box? Defenses today generally play with more DBs on the field and 6-7 men in the box to help defend against the pass. I think the Rams have done a great job but, if we’re talking strictly run game, would they have had the same success against how defenses used to play 15 years ago?

  41. The Rams offensive line will not be good much longer. LT Andrew Whitworth seriously struggled down the stretch last season before he got to sit and rest for two weeks before playing the Cowboys. Age is catching up to him and he will be 38yrs old next year, odds are high we see a steep decline in his play if he doesnt retire at the end of this season. John Sullivan was one of the worst starting Centers in the NFL over the regular season ranking 31st among starting Center w/ a grade of 53.3 and will be 34yrs old soon, they’ll need to draft a new starting Center in this years draft or sign a F/A . Lastly LG Rodger Saffold is going to be a free agent & with so many critical players hitting free agency along w/ several young players coming up for new deals like QB Jared Goff who in all liklihood signs a long term deal this off season they wont have the money to pay a 31yr OG the money he will be looking for as Saffold will get top dollar on the open market on a shorter 3yr or so deal. The Rams w/ limited draft picks will have to rebuild that line thru the draft.

  42. BHYG says:
    January 19, 2019 at 1:10 pm

    Try the 1978 PATRIOTS. They set the record for most rushing yards in a season and no one else is even close. John Hannah, Leon Gray, Bill Lenkaitis, Sam Adams and Shelby . They had two #1 picks as backups. Pete Brock and Bob Cryder. Russ Francis was their TE. They had 11 games of more than 200 yards rushing. To put this in perspective. The 1978 PATRIOTS rushed for almost 1000 yards (3165) MORE than this years rams (2231).

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    Pats quarterback Steve Grogan ran for 539 of those yards (and 5 rushing touchdowns). And if we were just to compare yardage totals, the ’72 Dolphins rushed for 2960 yards and their quarterbacks only rushed for 78 yards. Outside of that those ’72 Dolphins played 2 less games (14 game season) than your ’78 Patriots. That Dolphins team averaged 211 rushing yards a game. The ’78 Patriots aevraged 198 rushing yards a game heavily assisted by their quarterback Grogan.

  43. FOUR HALL OF FAMERS! ON ONE LINE!
    Take your fancy stats and stick them where the sun don’t shine, the Oakland Raiders of the late ’60’s to early ’70’s was without doubt the greatest line ever assembled. I’ll take them.
    Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Jim Otto, Bob Brown. They had a fifth HOF’er for a year, Ron Mix, and I won’t even throw him into the discussion.
    Standing on the sidelines Watching them vs. the Steelers Iron Curtain defense, football the way it USED to be played, is still one of the most vivid memories of my ancient life.

  44. Jim Czerwinski says:

    January 19, 2019 at 8:30 am

    Except when they played the Eagles who shut them down for a mere 82 yards in the game. They are not even close to being the best Offensive line ever for running.

    __________________

    You mean in the game that Gurley was playing injured in and got shut down for the remaining of the season right after? Where Gurley still averaged 4.0 ypc on 12 carries and outside of Gurley only had 6 rushing attempts the remaining of the game which 2 was by Goff? Don’t let stats mislead you because the although the Rams only had 82 rushing yards in that game, they only had a total of 18 rushing attempts and still averaged 4.5 ypc.

  45. They better be worried about their overpaid defense trying to slow down Brees and the Saints.

    Running over, through and around Dallas last week was no biggie. It was Dallas. They had no desire to win.

  46. EZWriter says:
    January 19, 2019 at 2:21 pm
    FOUR HALL OF FAMERS! ON ONE LINE!
    Take your fancy stats and stick them where the sun don’t shine, the Oakland Raiders of the late ’60’s to early ’70’s was without doubt the greatest line ever assembled. I’ll take them.
    Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Jim Otto, Bob Brown. They had a fifth HOF’er for a year, Ron Mix, and I won’t even throw him into the discussion.
    Standing on the sidelines Watching them vs. the Steelers Iron Curtain defense, football the way it USED to be played, is still one of the most vivid memories of my ancient life.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I’ll stick with Lombardi’s crew. Forrest Gregg*, Jerry Kramer*, Jim Ringo*, Fuzzy Thurston, and Bob Skoronski**.

    * Hall Of Fame
    ** Damn well should have been.

    I’m pretty sure our individual opinions are based to some degree on our individual states of fandom. When ya get right down to it, both groups make it rather clear that the article is an exercise in hyperbole.

  47. thewizardsrevenge says:
    January 19, 2019 at 12:47 pm
    And, being a homer even though I don’t live there, let us not forget the 78 Patriots with 3165 yards, one of the best teams that didn’t make a Super Bowl.

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    Sorry, the best team that never went to the SUPER BOWL is the 1973
    Los Angeles Rams. NFL No. 1 offense (yards and points) Number 1
    NFL Defense (yards allowed). These 1973 Rams loss 2 games BY A
    TOTAL OF 3 POINTS all season (games 7: 9-10 to the barneys, and
    games 8: 13-15 to Atlanta) They were one and done in the Divisional
    Playoffs (16-27) to the Cows. The 1973 Rams ran for 2,925 yards,
    and passed for another 1,981 and had 4,906 yards if offense. They
    were 12-2 and most of their twelve wins were routs (close were:
    wins of 37-31, 31 to 26) – CyberGuard 18

  48. Some teams can put any competent RB in and have success. The Cowboys and The Chiefs come to mind. DeMarco Murray went from 5 yds/carry to being a 3.5-4.5 yds/carry with the Titans. The Chiefs have done well since Priest Holmes took over the position.

  49. EZWriter says:
    January 19, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    FOUR HALL OF FAMERS! ON ONE LINE!
    Take your fancy stats and stick them where the sun don’t shine, the Oakland Raiders of the late ’60’s to early ’70’s was without doubt the greatest line ever assembled. I’ll take them.
    Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Jim Otto, Bob Brown. They had a fifth HOF’er for a year, Ron Mix, and I won’t even throw him into the discussion.
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    Add HOF TE Dave Casper to the group

  50. Poppy123 says:
    January 19, 2019 at 11:05 am
    dejc421 says:
    January 19, 2019 at 10:28 am
    The 70s Raiders had an 11th round pick Marv Hubbard averaging 5 YPC (’72) in the days where stopping the run was the primary duty of every NFL team. We had Art Shell 4 times All Pro, Gene Upshaw 7 times All Pro, Bob Brown 9 times All Pro, Jim Otto 3 times All Pro. All 4 lineman are in the Hall of Fame.
    ————-
    That’s the first o-line that came to mind when discussing all time best, have to add the KC Chiefs in the late 60’s, i.e, Moe Mooreman, Ed Budde, Jim Tyer, EJ Holub and Dave Hill

    ____________

    Couldn’t agree more. That Raiders line of the 70’s mauled people. They had to play the Chiefs twice a year and that Chiefs D-line was as talented as any and their linebacking group was damn talented

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    They were great lines for sure, but don’t forget, the Packers handled them both in the first two Super Bowls wins with their great defense.

  51. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    January 19, 2019 at 3:09 pm
    EZWriter says:
    January 19, 2019 at 2:21 pm
    FOUR HALL OF FAMERS! ON ONE LINE!
    Take your fancy stats and stick them where the sun don’t shine, the Oakland Raiders of the late ’60’s to early ’70’s was without doubt the greatest line ever assembled. I’ll take them.
    Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Jim Otto, Bob Brown. They had a fifth HOF’er for a year, Ron Mix, and I won’t even throw him into the discussion.
    Standing on the sidelines Watching them vs. the Steelers Iron Curtain defense, football the way it USED to be played, is still one of the most vivid memories of my ancient life.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    I’ll stick with Lombardi’s crew. Forrest Gregg*, Jerry Kramer*, Jim Ringo*, Fuzzy Thurston, and Bob Skoronski**.

    * Hall Of Fame
    ** Damn well should have been.

    I’m pretty sure our individual opinions are based to some degree on our individual states of fandom. When ya get right down to it, both groups make it rather clear that the article is an exercise in hyperbole.

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    I could not agree more. No line was as dominant as those Lombardi’s Packers lines. Of all the great players Lombardi coached, when he was asked who the best player he ever coached was, without hesitation he said, “Forrest Gregg is the finest player I ever coached”.

  52. Sounds like you may be a little too young to remember even the “Wall of Dallas” from the early 1990s, much less the O lines of Green Bay and Cleveland back in the day (the 60s). Another example of the “history of now.” If something precedes the memory of these young pups, then it must not have existed at all.

  53. Gurley started his career with terrible stats. But he was running in a very traditional offense that didn’t use his strengths. Now, he’s in he perfect offense. He is big, and he’s fast, and he can catch. McVey spreads his offense across the field better than any coach, which means Gurley is getting the ball in space in the running and passing game, and able to use his size and speed to generate extra yards. It’s his perfect world, and he’d be an ordinary back in most NFL offenses.

  54. nyneal says:
    January 19, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    Poppy123 says:
    January 19, 2019 at 11:05 am
    dejc421 says:
    January 19, 2019 at 10:28 am
    The 70s Raiders had an 11th round pick Marv Hubbard averaging 5 YPC (’72) in the days where stopping the run was the primary duty of every NFL team. We had Art Shell 6 times All Pro, Gene Upshaw 7 times All Pro, Bob Brown 9 times All Pro, Jim Otto 3 times All Pro. All 4 lineman are in the Hall of Fame.
    ————-
    That’s the first o-line that came to mind when discussing all time best, have to add the KC Chiefs in the late 60’s, i.e, Moe Mooreman, Ed Budde, Jim Tyer, EJ Holub and Dave Hill

    ____________

    Couldn’t agree more. That Raiders line of the 70’s mauled people. They had to play the Chiefs twice a year and that Chiefs D-line was as talented as any and their linebacking group was damn talented

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    They were great lines for sure, but don’t forget, the Packers handled them both in the first two Super Bowls wins with their great defense.

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    No, 6 time All Pro HOF Left Tackle Art Shell didn’t start for the Raiders until 1970. Bob Svihus was the starting left tackle vs the Packers in the ’68 Super Bowl.

  55. Say what?!?!?! O lines of Dolphins, Raiders, Packers, Patriots, and older Rams ALL blow the current recency bias, metric-created claim of greatness of the current Rams O line out of the water

  56. They were great lines for sure, but don’t forget, the Packers handled them both in the first two Super Bowls wins with their great defense.

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    No, 6 time All Pro HOF Left Tackle Art Shell didn’t start for the Raiders until 1970. Bob Svihus was the starting left tackle vs the Packers in the ’68 Super Bowl.

    And 9 time All Pro Right Tackle Bob Brown wasn’t in Oakland yet either. Harry Schuh started at RT vs GB in SBII.

  57. Does anyone else feel like we’ve fallen into the Twilight Zone? Here we have fans of several different teams, expressing several different points of view, and everyone’s talking to everyone else like grownups. It’s been a long time since this has happened around here. Too long.

  58. sigbouncer says:
    January 19, 2019 at 5:34 pm
    nyneal says:
    January 19, 2019 at 4:47 pm

    Poppy123 says:
    January 19, 2019 at 11:05 am
    dejc421 says:
    January 19, 2019 at 10:28 am
    The 70s Raiders had an 11th round pick Marv Hubbard averaging 5 YPC (’72) in the days where stopping the run was the primary duty of every NFL team. We had Art Shell 6 times All Pro, Gene Upshaw 7 times All Pro, Bob Brown 9 times All Pro, Jim Otto 3 times All Pro. All 4 lineman are in the Hall of Fame.
    ————-
    That’s the first o-line that came to mind when discussing all time best, have to add the KC Chiefs in the late 60’s, i.e, Moe Mooreman, Ed Budde, Jim Tyer, EJ Holub and Dave Hill

    ____________

    Couldn’t agree more. That Raiders line of the 70’s mauled people. They had to play the Chiefs twice a year and that Chiefs D-line was as talented as any and their linebacking group was damn talented

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    They were great lines for sure, but don’t forget, the Packers handled them both in the first two Super Bowls wins with their great defense.

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    No, 6 time All Pro HOF Left Tackle Art Shell didn’t start for the Raiders until 1970. Bob Svihus was the starting left tackle vs the Packers in the ’68 Super Bowl.
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    The mere fact that many, if not all, of these lines had so many Hall of Famers we can’t even keep them straight pretty much tells the tale.

  59. The Bengals offensive lines of the mid 1980’s-early 1990’s were awesome. James Brooks averaged over 5.0 yards a carry 4 years out of 5 (he was injured the other year). Averaged an insane 5.6 yards a carry in 1989. In 1988, both he and Ickey Woods averaged over 5.1 yards a carry.

  60. nyneal says:
    January 19, 2019 at 9:41 am

    The Cards of the 70’s (they were called the meanest and dirtiest line in the history of Pro Football and their RG Conrad Dobler is maybe the dirtiest player in the history of football. He would bite guys when they were piled up on the ground. Dan Dierdorf, who played next to him at RT, said he even bit him a couple of times!).

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    I was a season-ticket holder in St. Louis during the Coryell years in the 1970s, and the offensive line (Dan Dierdorf, Conrad Dobler, Tom Banks, Bob Young, and Roger Finnie) was, indeed, amazing. They didn’t keep official QB sack statistics back then, but Jim Hart was only sacked four times in one of those years (and he was NOT a mobile QB). Rushers Terry Metcalfe and Jim Otis had holes the likes of which I have not seen since, and even second-level rushers looked fantastic running behind that line.

    I do disagree with your comments on Dobler’s biting. It would be impossible for him to bite someone unless they stuck their hands in his facemask. I doubt that Dan Dierdorf did that, and simply being in a pile on the ground does not facilitate that, either. Doug Sutherland of the Minnesota Vikings did stick his fingers up Dobler’s nose to try to block him in one game, and the biting legend was born. Dobler said something like, “When someone sticks their fingers up your nose, what else are you doing to do?” That was the only biting incident that we were aware of at the time.

    Dobler used outrageous stunts to psych defenders out of games. Cowboys LB Lee Roy Jordan was one. Merlin Olsen was another, and the cameras in one game showed Dobler repeatedly kicking Olsen in a delicate area.

    Fun days. Thanks for remembering the St. Louis line.

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