Unnamed Eagles begin to push back against Carson Wentz

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It was apparently a no-brainer for the organization. For the locker room, it’s a different story.

Joseph Santoliquito of PhillyVoice.com has published a potentially explosive article that contains quotes from “more than a half dozen players, plus other sources close to the team,” all of whom insisted on anonymity, regarding quarterback Carson Wentz.

The coaching staff and front office continue to anoint Wentz as the starter. Nick Foles seems to be on his way out, regardless of the specific mechanism by which he exits. Per the report, however, Foles is “universally loved” in the locker room. And Carson Wentz is not.

While he has been described as “incredibly hard working,” “determined,” and “highly intelligent,” Wentz also has been dubbed as, quoting from the story, “‘selfish,’ ‘uncompromising,’ ‘egotistical,’ one who plays ‘favorites’ and doesn’t like to be ‘questioned,’ one who needs to ‘practice what he preaches’ and fails ‘to take accountability.'”

“Carson Wentz’s biggest enemy is Carson Wentz,” one unnamed source told Santoliquito. “He’s had his ass kissed his whole life, and sometimes acts like he’s won 10 Super Bowls, when he hasn’t played in, let alone won, a playoff game yet. Everyone around him wants good things for him. He did more thinking on the field than he did playing [in 2018]. You don’t have to be a brain surgeon or a football expert to see how differently this team plays and reacts with one guy as opposed to the other.”

That part is true. While Wentz may be the better quarterback than Foles, the Eagles seem to be the better team when Foles plays.

The problem with Wentz, per the report, comes from alleged tendency to “complicate” the offense. Wentz could “complicate 2+2,” one source told Santoliquito.

One criticism of Wentz comes from the perception that, while Foles runs the offense and goes through the required progressions, Wentz all too often throws to tight end Zach Ertz. There also was a sense this season that Wentz’s desire to match what Foles accomplished last year, winning the Super Bowl after Wentz tore an ACL, made Wentz do too much.

“He has to return to who ‘Carson Wentz’ is,” an unnamed source told Santoliquito. “That comes with relaxing and not forcing things. It also comes with being able to take constructive criticism. He has to learn that it’s not always about him and that’s partly what hurt this team this year. We know what type of player he can be, and who he normally is. He needs to realize it’s the Philadelphia Eagles not the Philadelphia Carsons. . . . A little humility goes a long way.”

Could these criticisms prompt the Eagles to reconsider their commitment to Wentz? Probably not. If nothing else, however, these are things that the team and Wentz may need to hear and to heed in order to get back to the success the team had under Wentz in 2017, before the injury.

The Eagles also may need to change how they coach Wentz. The article suggests that former offensive coordinator Frank Reich and former quarterbacks coach John DeFilippo were able to steer Wentz the right way, but that Wentz “bullied” offensive coordinator Mike Groh in 2018.

Wentz has the skills to be an MVP. Beyond finding a way to stay healthy, however, he apparently also needs to find a way better connect with teammates, especially with the quarterback they apparently prefer on his way out.

105 responses to “Unnamed Eagles begin to push back against Carson Wentz

  1. Never a peaceful moment. I don’t deny that a lot of guys in the locker room prefer Foles over Wentz, but some of the criticisms just don’t seem to fit the character that Wentz exudes. Could he really be that different behind closed doors?

  2. Eagles should try to trade Wentz and extend Foles. Foles has proven he can win the important games. Also The team seems to play with more energy when foles is behind center. Wentz is injury prone and has won 0 playoff games. Trade Wentz for a pair of 1st rounders.

  3. And there it is… The Eagles are fine. Just someone trying to make something out of nothing. Anytime a team achieves some success, there is always someone saying, “there is trouble behind the scenes.”
    And I hate the Eagles!

  4. Teams will always take potential (higher ceiling) over the accomplishes known quantity. Always been that way and isn’t changing. There’s no doubt that team plays better as whole when Foles is starting. I wouldn’t wanna be the guy who has to make that decision.

  5. I mean, its a fact that the Eagles have been a better team with Foles. Yes Wentz is a better player, but does that really matter if the locker room doesn’t like him and wants to play for Foles? Why force it? This is still a team game.

    Trade Wentz to the Raiders for 3 first rounders.

  6. ““He’s had his ass kissed his whole life”
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    He played college ball at NORTH DAKOTA STATE. (As in FCS North Dakota State.) And didn’t start there until he was a JUNIOR. He’s not exactly a 5-star who everybody was fighting over.

  7. This figures! Foles does ignite this team when he plays. They better get this right or there will be new quarterback again in Philly. Sssshhhhh.

  8. I’m a Patriots fan and I will come out and say it. I would not feel good about facing the Eagles team with Foles in the SB again. I was not happy that the Bears beat Minnesota Week 17 to let the Eagles back in the playoffs.

  9. Nobody could tell this guy was full of himself by his demeanor on the sideline and his TV interviews? Although Wentz and the Eagles have more success right now than Sanchez and the Jets at the time but this is similar to what the Jets faced 2009-2011. The Jets management/coaching staff, and especially Rex, could not detach themselves from Sanchez because of a few beautiful throws and big time performances. The Jets opted to not pursue Peyton Manning, although he was very interested because of the possibility of retiring before having to play Eli, and they also ignored a faction of the front office that wanted to draft Russell Wilson that year and gave Sanchez a fat extension. My point is, coaches, exec’s, and owners get enamored with the flashy young QB.

  10. I love Foles but this kind of secret loser unnamed source whining won’t change anything.

    They will eat 28.5 million for the QB position if they want to and Foles agrees, or they will both decide to move on. Wentz isn’t going anywhere.

  11. As long as the owner of the team sign the players huge checks they should just accept who the coach picks at qb or any other position and be happy.its far above their paygrade to choose who plays on the field with them.

  12. Eagle fans…cherish your super bowl win…there are no guarantees of getting another one anytime soon..Eagles future looks murky.

  13. And just who, in their right mind, did not see this coming??? The Eagles appear to be a totally different team, with Foles under center. I know I am glad we played them, before Foles took over 🙂

  14. Wentz is in a no-win situation. Foles beats Brady in the superbowl, brings the team back to life again the following year, almost making the NFC Championship, he’s a cult hero now in Philly. Anytime Wentz goes on a cold streak or gets injured the fans/media will be saying what if we kept Foles. He’s almost gotta be perfect in the future to forget about Foles.

    Foles on the other hand creates an energy in the team that I don’t think they can sustain for an entire 16 game season. He had his chance early in 2018 but didn’t play the same as when the pressure was on in the playoffs.

    Their situation now is perfect starter/backup, but the money & desire to play will have Foles starting somewhere like Jacksonville next season, unless the eagles decide to deal Wentz instead. Tough spot for everyone involved, all created by the great play of Foles over the past two seasons.

  15. I’ll start off by saying my user name is a joke from when Chip Kelly was here…recent superbowl victory just made it that much more fun.

    That being said, you have to worry about Carson a little bit. Its a little weird he got engaged 3 days after the superbowl. He goes down this year and got a puppy and was posting all about the puppy. Totally understand going down two years in a row to watch the playoffs is brutal, but he seems to want the spotlight back and is almost like a little kid trying to get attention.

    Horrible situation to put Wentz in. Very tough spot to come out of. But if he is the guy, the franchise quarterback to make 30 mil a year, he has to toughen up mentally and be himself. Stop seeking attention, don’t be a brat in the locker room, taken some criticism and produce. We’ll love you forever. I’m rooting for him.

  16. I’ve been saying that Philly should deal Wentz for a while. Perhaps Jacksonville would be all over a trade for Wentz. He’s better than any QB coming out this year and 2 first rounders would probably get it done. The real problem would be making the numbers work for Philly on a long term deal with Foles.

  17. All you people out there bashing him would be the same people saying if he was a free agent get him on my team, Hypocrites!

  18. In the end, it’s all about winning. I don’t care who you have at QB: if you don’t win, nothing else matters. And the Eagles win with Foles. Go figure.

  19. I am tired of hearing about Wentz’s “Higher ceiling.” During my lifetime, the ceiling for QB’s is Super Bowl Champion ( and MVP if you are lucky). I have seen very talented QB’s railroaded for being good (statistically) during the regular season, but not having the “it factor” of being able to perform consistently in playoff games.

  20. Key line in here is “Went is better QB, but Eagles play better with Foles”. Maybe Eagles need to think about signing Foles to a long term deal and trading Went. There are certainly salary cap implications until Wentz’s rookie deal is up. But Wentz has trade value, Foles does not due to his contract situation.

    Would you rather have Foles plus two 1’s (trade value for Wentz) or Wentz plus $20M of Salary Cap room for 2 years? Not super obvious to me

  21. This isn’t news per se. Any organization with strong alpha personalities will have this. No one is universally liked, Wentz just needs to accept feedback, do his job and Pederson manage the personalities and culture. If not it spins out of control.

  22. Recommend reading the original story. From afar it does look like Wentz has more raw talent, but what does it matter if he can’t remain healthy enough to play and can’t play well unless he is 100%? And looks like he still needs to develop leadership skills. How ironic it would be that the Eagles who have the best QB situation in football and won the Super Bowl in large part because of it, would end up making the wrong choice and condemn themselves to going back to being also-rans for next decade!

  23. Generally speaking, guys that come out as unnamed sources are not the guys you want in your locker room. Guys that question what the coaches want to do are not the guys you want on your team. At this point, we really don’t know what the coaches and GM want to do anyway. For all we know, they might be trying to get a better offer for Carson Wentz, so they’re saying he’s their guy. Regardless, anonymous sources are usually trouble makers.

  24. I’ve been saying this all along….wentz lost the Locker room. These guys wouldn’t play for him……to see a mediocre qb like Foles get the defense to play better, tells you everything you need to know. To see Alshon take off with foles….minus the drop…..ouch…..and the bickering from Alshon to rosina anderson… tells you what you need to know……wentz is not the leader they think he is……this guy is a backward country bumpkin with a God complex…….he is not as great as he thinks he is.

  25. They sure seemed to love him when he was playing at MVP level last year. I hope they keep foles and trade wentz. If foles is so great why couldn’t he score a point in the final three quarters against the saints and had like QB rating of 20

  26. the best ability is availability. here’s yet another qb who put together one nice season & we are ready to put him on the level of manning & brady. he’s obviously lacking something.

  27. They didn’t pull these anonymous quotes from multiple players out of thin air, so where there’s smoke, there’s at least a little but of fire. This will all largely blow over once Foles moves on; however, this doesn’t bode well for Wentz as a supposed team leader.

  28. Wentz is 23-17 as a starting pro. QB. Not exactly all pro numbers (abet 11-2 2017 record). Id keep Foles.

  29. I love how everyone just blindly believes all this. These type of stories with unnamed sources are only as good as the reputation of the writer. What kind of credibility does this writer have? I have no idea if this is true or not but I’m not going to just take the word of someone I know nothing about. If it is true what does it say about the players using the media to stab a teammate in the back?

  30. Foles isn’t going anywhere. Just like everyone had Jim Harbaugh being traded or not resigning with the Ravens (which was a clown story) … Foles is the insurance the Eagles need when (not if) Wentz breaks down at the end of the year (which is how he is trending).

  31. Silence Dogood says:
    January 21, 2019 at 11:21 am

    Would you rather have Foles plus two 1’s (trade value for Wentz) or Wentz plus $20M of Salary Cap room for 2 years? Not super obvious to me
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    No one is going to give up two firsts for for a quarterback that can’t even finish a season.

  32. If every Eagle player was placed on the trading block, 31 teams would go after Wentz first. It takes a year and a half to properly heal. The City of Brotherly Love feeds on animosity. Wentz will be the guy in 2019, provided the OL can block for him and receivers catch the ball.

  33. Broncos would love Wentz for two 1st rounders – please trade him! Wentz looked like the next Tom Brady last season. He was shredding teams. Nick Foles could only wish he had that ability. Foles is a grinder.

  34. dejadoh says:
    January 21, 2019 at 12:04 pm
    If every Eagle player was placed on the trading block, 31 teams would go after Wentz first. It takes a year and a half to properly heal. The City of Brotherly Love feeds on animosity. Wentz will be the guy in 2019, provided the OL can block for him and receivers catch the ball.

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    Wentz will be the guy until he inevitably ends up on IR….again. This guy is becoming Sam Bradford 2.0.

  35. So if Foles is so great like you all think. How come he forces a ball in the saints game that cost the team 3 points. Then on the last drive they’d only need 3 points instead of a TD. I’m an eagles fan and grateful Foles won that super bowl. But before last years playoffs people were complaining about Foles and wanted Nate Sudfeld to start in playoffs. Foles is either extremely hot or extremely cold. Give me the more talented player

  36. unless Wentz completely changed who he is after he got drafted, those complaints are untrue. I watched every snap Wentz took in college and how the “unnamed sources” are describing him is NOT how he was at NDSU.

  37. “‘selfish,’ ‘uncompromising,’ ‘egotistical,’ one who plays ‘favorites’ and doesn’t like to be ‘questioned” – Those characteristics could be attached to most of the greatest QB’s of all time. I’m not saying Wentz is in that category of all-time greats. He has to figure out how to stay healthy.

  38. This article rings true in some respects. Wentz certainly targets Ertz way too much and that could be construed as playing favorites by the other receivers. Wentz also does seem to complicate things where as Foles just plays. But, I think most of it is an age and experience thing and can be overcome. Carson isn’t yet as mature or as good of a leader as Foles but he can get there and will. Seems they’re griping about 2018 Wentz not his prior seasons. Makes sense he would overcompensate as he tried to outshine Foles. A little insecurity from a young QB is all this is. He will outgrow it and regain the total respect of his teammates.

  39. I think this they play better with Foles thing is a bit of a narrative at this point. He’s had a couple of great games in beating the Rams in the playoff run and the game against the Patriots which was more of a product of Jeffrey being a mismatch for the Patriot secondary. Otherwise, the offense scored 14, 16, and 18 points in playoff games, with the first one against the Falcons ending just like the opener this year with Atlanta not able to get in on four cracks from point blank range (I know shocking for the Sark offense). Same thing wit he Bears. kicker blew it on another low scoring day. However, This year I think it did prove how banged up their defense was because that’s when they started winning was when they got a lot of those guys back. I think you can play this off their agents and see who will accept less since they’re interchangeable. Who wants the $20 mil contract instead of the $30 mil one?

  40. What happens if they let Foles go and keep Wentz and Foles goes to a team like the Giants and wins the Super Bowl next year while Wentz gets hurt again and the Eagles miss the playoffs?

  41. Hmmm. Six unnamed sources. Last time I counted there were 53 players on the active roster. Flecther Cox says the article untrue and he is one of the most respected leaders in the locker room. As someone here already said….move on, nothing to see here.

  42. 2018 regular season targets for Zach Ertz:

    Wentz – 9.6 per game
    Foles – 10 per game

    If you include the playoffs then Foles number drops down to 9.3. So basically, they both target Ertz the same. Ertz is a top 3 TE in this league. Why wouldn’t you target the guy?

  43. Sounds like a variation of the Wickersham NE hit piece of made up stuff last year. Guess the Eagles got a year reprieve. Did it talk about how the owner and head coach hate each other? Never believe unnamed sources. Anyone that doesn’t agree with the direction of the team should leave. Northbound train management model.

  44. classclown71 says:
    January 21, 2019 at 11:07 am
    I’ve been saying that Philly should deal Wentz for a while. Perhaps Jacksonville would be all over a trade for Wentz. He’s better than any QB coming out this year and 2 first rounders would probably get it done. The real problem would be making the numbers work for Philly on a long term deal with Foles.
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    He’s had a blown out knee one year and a broken back the next. He’s never played in a playoff game, and his record against winning teams is poor. No one would give a first rounder for him, much less two.

  45. I highly recommend reading the Philly Voice story in full. For those who have noted the Eagles ran the ball more with Foles than with Wentz: there is a good reason for that. Wentz would often pull the ball and throw on designed running plays. Whereas Foles wouldn’t unless the Defense had the box stacked. Makes sense.

  46. was “nick from boston” one of his unnamed sources? i tend to not believe divisive pieces written solely off what “anonymous sources” say. its too convenient to slant something when you dont have to produce a credible source. sounds like this reporter has a personal beef with wentz or a personal attachment to foles.

  47. dolphins4 says:
    January 21, 2019 at 12:37 pm
    What happens if they let Foles go and keep Wentz and Foles goes to a team like the Giants and wins the Super Bowl next year while Wentz gets hurt again and the Eagles miss the playoffs?

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    what if he goes somewhere and stinks up the joint and philly is healthy again next year and wentz leads them to the super bowl? anybody can play the what if game. foles also played poorly in the beginning of the season.

  48. either way. hopefully lane johnson is enjoying his day. pats are so sad and miserable playing for ANOTHER lombardi.

  49. fargovikesfan says:
    January 21, 2019 at 12:29 pm
    unless Wentz completely changed who he is after he got drafted, those complaints are untrue. I watched every snap Wentz took in college and how the “unnamed sources” are describing him is NOT how he was at NDSU.
    *****
    wentz under 500 this year with same team foles won in playoffs with so the reports are very true

  50. Harsing2 says:
    January 21, 2019 at 12:25 pm
    So if Foles is so great like you all think. How come he forces a ball in the saints game that cost the team 3 points. Then on the last drive they’d only need 3 points instead of a TD. I’m an eagles fan and grateful Foles won that super bowl. But before last years playoffs people were complaining about Foles and wanted Nate Sudfeld to start in playoffs. Foles is either extremely hot or extremely cold. Give me the more talented player

    *****
    you mean like when wentz lost to the saints 48-7?

  51. jerseystrong3232 says:
    January 21, 2019 at 10:48 am
    Eagles should try to trade Wentz and extend Foles. Foles has proven he can win the important games. Also The team seems to play with more energy when foles is behind center. Wentz is injury prone and has won 0 playoff games. Trade Wentz for a pair of 1st rounders

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Not worth two first rounders. Only QB out there worth two first rounders is Patrick Mahomes.

  52. mrbigass says:
    So, six or seven people said this. Not exactly a landslide….
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    That sounds like a lot of people, esp if they are starters or on offense.

  53. If I’m Jacksonville, I go all out to get Foles. Philly stupid for letting Foles go. He’s a winner. A proven winner. Wentz is a “maybe”.

    Bird in the hand is worth two in a bush.

  54. The problem with Wentz is he hasnt made it through the last two seasons, and his style of play leads to a greater likelihood of injury. Its hard to let go of Nick Foles, when the starter has a broken back. But the Eagles will have to make that choice.

    Hopefully Wentz gets back to playing at an elite level, and doesnt turn into RGIII or Rex Grossman(torn ACLs his first seasons turn him into a statue)

  55. The Eagles are a collection of egotistical maniacs held together by the glue of winning, and to some extent their fans are too. When they don’t win “enough” whatever magical number that is, they come unglued, it might get ugly unless they get rid of certain players. Additionally, their fans will spew their toxicity not on their opponents but on their own squad. It happens every time. Gross.

  56. While there is a lack of top notch QBs in the league the Eagles find themselves with two. But out of those two imo Wentz is the player that can take the weight of being the franchise player and all the expectation that comes from that. Some people were born to be in charge and some were born to be second in command. We’ve all seen it at our own jobs. When there’s praise to be had the work place is crammed, when the you know what hits the fan it’s a lonely place. Foles is an exceptional player and it remains to be seen if he can be a leader full time instead of being a hero part time. And he has been there before.

  57. It doesn’t bode well for Wentz when he is now finding out that a bunch of guys (unnamed) on the team can’t stand him. That’s not a winning formula. Foles has proven that the team plays better with him at QB. What to do, what to do?

  58. Hopefully the Eagles will do the smart thing and find a way to keep both Wentz and Foles. Open your eyes fans. Both on the team has now worked for two years in the last two years. Playoffs both years with a championship one of those years. WTF more ya want.

  59. I agree they should keep Foles and trade Wentz. But why do so many people seem to think Wentz is worth two first rounders? I’m not convinced they could get one first round pick for him — not because he’s not talented, but he can’t stay on the field.

    Basically, have you seen enough from Wentz to convince you a team would be better off to trade a first round pick for him, rather than just draft someone more likely to stay upright for a full season? Not to mention that Wentz seems to come with drama that I suspect most teams would prefer to just avoid.

  60. Foles and Wentz have almost identical Net Yards/attempt the last two years counting all the games….Foles 6.72, Wentz 6.67, but Wentz has a TD to Int rate of 54-14 vs 21-11 for Foles.

    Foles had 2 great games in the playoffs, but the league would catch up to his lobs into coverage just like the league caught up to Keenum.

    He’s a bottom tier starter or good backup, but he’s pretty obviously not a top flight starter. He just happened to have a lucky run, just like Keenum last year, or Flacco in 2012.

  61. If a player is going to open his pie hole, he ought to own it. There is no way of knowing if any player has an axe to grind.

  62. Eagles should trade Wentz for OBJ. Give Foles a true #1. Giants would be all over that. Could probably get a pick also.

  63. He’s damaged goods (bad back). May never fully recover. Foles just wins. Trade Wentz ASAP and move on. I doubt Wentz ever plays a full season. Buyer beware.

  64. papacrick says:
    January 21, 2019 at 10:52 am
    Teams will always take potential (higher ceiling) over the accomplishes known quantity. Always been that way and isn’t changing. There’s no doubt that team plays better as whole when Foles is starting. I wouldn’t wanna be the guy who has to make that decision.
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    Foles won the Superbowl and an improbable win in Chicago in the playoffs. Unless Wentz is the next Tom Brady, what Foles has already accomplished IS Wentz’ potential.

  65. every sports writer thinks he’s woodward and bernstein. this is the same type of unsourced crap the media made up about how the patriots all hated each other and were falling apart. Everyone can see now that it was fake news so the buzzards just move on with absolutely no accountability.

  66. Its not about stats Its about wins wentz was 6-7 in 2018 and 7-9 in 2016 foles was 5-1 the team plays much better with foles case closed Wentz cant beat a team over 500

  67. Selfish, uncompromising, egotistical, one who doesn’t like to be questioned, he’s had his ass kissed his whole life? No no, that’s not Carson Wentz. You’re thinking of Prince Harry.

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