Jon Gruden: I no longer think QBs have to be tall

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The only man who controls three first-round picks in the 2019 NFL draft is open to drafting a small quarterback.

Raiders coach Jon Gruden said he’s impressed with Kyler Murray, who might become the shortest quarterback in the NFL, and has seen too many shorter quarterbacks play well to have a fixation on height anymore.

“I used to think that a lot, until I saw Drew Brees twice a year in Tampa, then I met Russell Wilson coming out of N.C. State, and now I’m watching this kid, Murray, coming out of Oklahoma and I’m putting away all the prototypes I once had,” Gruden said. “I used to have a prototype for hand size, height, arm strength, all that stuff.”

Gruden said his only concern now is what he sees on the field.

“We’re looking for guys who can play. They come in all shapes and sizes,” Gruden said.

All it takes is one team to focus on the game tape rather than the measuring tape for Murray to be a first-round pick.

91 responses to “Jon Gruden: I no longer think QBs have to be tall

  1. Ohhhhhh so teams should trade you lots of picks for Kyler Murray. It’s always fun watching dumb people trying to be clever.

  2. With the way Gruden has been trading.. Carr is gone and Murray will be a Raider with the 4th pick

  3. Yep. Put on that game tape when he’s playing against the NFL sized defense of Alabama. He looks bad under pressure and gets ragdolled by one-handed tackles.

  4. There’s only one Drew Brees and they basically broke the mold with him. Wilson can’t hold his jock. I hope Gruden takes Murray in the first round so we can continue to laugh about his ongoing stupidity.

  5. QB height alone does not make or break the Position, however it is a Fact of Physics that any QB in the NFL that is under 6 feet tall will have to be further away from a 6’6″ D Lineman to see & make the throw.

    Hand Size/Grip is extremly important, especially during cold weather Games played outdoors. That physical element alone could decide the outcome of a Game.

  6. Drew Brees and Russel Wilson are both taller than Kyler Murray.
    Kyler Murray is going to measure under 5’9” and be around 190 lbs. His linesman will all have 5+ inches on him and he’s going to be getting sacked by people 100 lbs heavier than him.

  7. About time a coach admits it. This obsession with height wasn’t always there. Bret Farve is 6 foot 2. Aaron Rodgers likewise. Same with Joe Montana. Ditto Steve Young.

    Drew Brees at 6 foot is also destined for Canton.

    Has a 6 foot 7 inch QB ever made the Hall of Fame? Or ever succeeded in the NFL?

  8. I figured Baker Mayfield would have been brought up by this pint in this conversation.

    Fran Tarkington and Sonny Jerginson were between 5’11” and 6’0″ respectively.

  9. This guy makes these pronouncements like he is some kind of oracle. He isn’t. Gruden’s QB show is off the air and Jon is nothing more than a life long mediocre coach (98-93) coming off a 4-12 season. But thanks for letting us know Jon that Drew Brees and Russell Wilson are good quarterbacks.

  10. Can’t blame him for trying to work maximum value out of those picks. He’s obviously beginning the sales pitch…….

  11. vicnocal says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:41 pm
    Don’t forget the Chargers drafted Eli Manning because they didnt think Drew Brees was their answer.
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    Don’t forget the Chargers drafted Eli Manning because they wanted the Giants to give up a ransom of a trade for him…

  12. “then I met Russell Wilson coming out of N.C. State…”

    Ask Gruden why Russell Wilson was coming our of N.C. State when Wilson went to college at U of Wisc.

  13. I have to laugh at all of the false claims about “seeing over” the linemen to be able to throw the ball, it’s hilarious! Fact is since it’s an average of 4in or more from ones eyes to the top of their heads a person would have to be over 4in taller than the linemen to “see over” them, so a QB would have to be >6’8″ to see over linemen that were 6’4″. Now I don’t know about anyone else but I don’t know of a single QB that’s 6’8″ or over so NONE OF THEM SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY according to these numbskulls and their theories!

    BTW if you ever heard Troy Aikman he always says that a QBs height isn’t as important as these people try to make it out to be because as he says and I quote “I’m 6’4″ and I couldn’t see over the linemens heads”. So stop with the BULL and calling it a “Fact of Physics”!

    Todays NFL passing game is built around throwing to a spot where the receiver is supposed to be as they are mostly timing patterns now days.

  14. All *shapes* and sizes? We gonna see the first fat QB get a starting job? (hefty lefty was a backup)

  15. Hey, Gruden wants to build the team in his own way and that means get rid of all the players he inherited. Why not? He’s got a huge fan base building in Las Vegas by the time he gets there he might have a good team ready to compete.

  16. To clarify…Even If Gruden happened to see Wilson at N.C. State, Wilson “came out of” U of Wisc.” I doubt Gruden really has any memories of Wilson playing at N.C. State.

    “Wilson played college football for the University of Wisconsin during the 2011 season, in which he set the single-season FBS record for passing efficiency (191.8) and led the team to a Big Ten title and the 2012 Rose Bowl. “

  17. In spite of his height, Kyler just put up numbers that have never been put up before in college football history. Amazing how everyone just pushes that to the side. His linemen at OU were all 6’3″ or taller at that. I dont get it with all of the know-it-alls.

  18. To clarify – Wilson played and started three years at NC State, and is second or third is all the major passing records at NC State, behind Rivers who just happened to play 4 years. He also broke the record for most passes without an interception while there as well (I think it’s since been broken)

    He was also not benched, the moron coach at the time told him if he played baseball he wouldn’t be the starter. So he played baseball at State and then transferred.

    SO there is TONS more tape of Wilson playing college football at NC STate then there is a Wisconsin.

    2008 NC State 150 275 1,955 17 1 54.5 133.9 116 394 3.4 4
    2009 NC State 224 378 3,027 31 11 59.3 147.8 103 260 2.5 4
    2010 NC State 308 527 3,563 28 14 58.4 127.5 143 435 3.0 9
    2011 Wisconsin 225 309 3,175 33 4 72.8 191.8 79 338 4.3 6

    For argument’s sake thats 1000 passes with NC State and 309 with Wisconsin.

  19. theres a difference between short and small. 6′ drew brees has tipped the scales at 220 before which is equal to 6’4″ tom brady. thats why theres shoulders, chest, arms, and hands measurements.

  20. wiscobear says:

    Russell Wilson came out of Wisconsin. He transferred there from NC State where he had been benched in favor of Mike Glennon.

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    That is fake news. Russell Wilson was toying with the idea of going to the Major Leagues and Coach O’Brien was tired of not knowing if Wilson was coming back for his senior season, so he made it easy on him and made the decision to name Glennon the starter. Had nothing to do with height.

  21. Gruden is a munchkin himself, so of course he doesn’t think QB’s have to be tall. And I agree with him, by the way. I don’t think they have to be tall, either.
    One of my favorite quotes from my favorite President (Lincoln) was this, when he was asked by a young newspaper reporter this dumb question: “Mr. President — how tall do you think a man should be?”
    Lincoln said matter of factly: “tall enough so his feet reach the ground”.

    Great answer and it says it all — as long as you have both feet firmly planted on the ground, it doesn’t matter how tall you are.

  22. I think he is trying to ensure there is the real possibility that any team needing a QB might want to make a trade offer to move up or he might take him with their pick. Keeping all options on table is the goal in order to keep their high draft picks more valuable.

  23. You got to be careful, Gruden drafts Murray then he goes on to play for the A’s fall time avoiding football. That would be embarrassing.

  24. You got to be careful, Gruden drafts Murray then he goes on to play for the A’s avoiding football. That would be embarrassing.

  25. With a combined 134-137 record over 17 seasons has there ever been a more overrated duo than the Gruden Brothers?

  26. The giants, jags, Redskins, and dolphins will attempt to trade up for a QB. It happens every year. Everyone alrdy assumes hes going to get rid of Carr. Hes just adding fuel to that fire. Teams REALLY do think gruden might take a QB. Raiders will trade down, add MORE picks, and will still have an opportunity at a top 10 defensive player in the draft. #RN4L

  27. “Don’t forget the Chargers drafted Eli Manning because they wanted the Giants to give up a ransom of a trade for him…”

    And all the Giants got were those two lousy Superbowl victories.

  28. See statement made by someone = “BTW if you ever heard Troy Aikman he always says that a QBs height isn’t as important as these people try to make it out to be because as he says and I quote “I’m 6’4″ and I couldn’t see over the linemens heads”. So stop with the BULL and calling it a “Fact of Physics”!”
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    Uh, You just proved my point – LMAO

  29. I think the only people who buy into the prototype stuff these days are people who don’t know the game or generally don’t like unconventional quarterbacks — for whatever reason. Plenty of proof that dismantles the prototype argument.

  30. Gruden has a well-established track record (Bucs, Raiders 2018 draft) of generally not being able to hit the broadside of a barn with his high draft selections.

    But it’s also true that the “coaching genius” has never been able to coach-up a young QB despite his undeserved rep of being some sort of offensive guru. Rich Gannon was the only QB who really prospered under Gruden and by the time he came to the Raiders he was in his 30s and already had a record of several excellent performances with the Vikings & Chiefs.

  31. I can’t remember a coach having the ability to manipulate the media the way Gruden does. I actually think the media knows he’s playing with them, but they go along because it’s a good read. Gruden knows how to play the game.

  32. Shorter than 6 ft. quarterbacks have only won 2 Super Bowls (Drew Brees and Russell Wilson) and Wilson was not even the MVP. There are over 50 Super Bowls that have been won and only 1 Super Bowl MVP QB under 6 ft. tall. There are some sports that do not require a minimum height to excel in (e.g. soccer and skiing), but the quarterback position and the Center forward position in basketball do benefit from having tall players in those positions.

  33. aldavis4president says:
    January 22, 2019 at 3:03 pm
    The giants, jags, Redskins, and dolphins will attempt to trade up for a QB. It happens every year. Everyone alrdy assumes hes going to get rid of Carr. Hes just adding fuel to that fire. Teams REALLY do think gruden might take a QB. Raiders will trade down, add MORE picks, and will still have an opportunity at a top 10 defensive player in the draft. #RN4L
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    With multiple teams needing a QB why would anyone trade down w/ OAK to #4 when they could just trade down to #1 w/ AZ ensuring no one trades up ahead of them ? If say the Giants trade up to #4th overall and then the Jaguars move up ahead of them to #1 overall it pretty much makes the Giants move and all they gave up to get there pointless, so why wouldnt they just go up to #1 overall to begin with? No one is going to give Oakland anything, teams will just trade up with Arizona if they’re looking to move up. If anything Oakland will be one of the teams looking to move up be it for a QB or for the best pass rusher in the draft which is Nick Bosa.

  34. Good! Take Murray and continue the dumpster fire in Oakland (or wherever they play). Another gimmick like Mahommes. It won’t last and didn’t even survive Sunday.

  35. That will be the last straw, no more brother QBs, no more JaMarcus Russells or Tyrone Pryors or Culpeppers or Aaron Brooks or Vince Evans-, no more! Enough is enough

  36. I believe Gruden’s attitude is : I’ll be here for ten years. This team is old & medicore. I’m going to blow this team up & get MY players to turn this thing around. If it takes a few years, so what ?!!I’m NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

  37. Who would trade for Carr with that contract? I don’t think he’s worth $21 or $22 million. Raiders can cut him with only a $7.5 million cap hit which is a lot but not when you consider their cap room. They also don’t owe him any more guaranteed money if they cut him by March 15.

  38. Their you guys go again overreacting to Grudens comments, Gruden is looking for a Punk to come and ask what it’s going to take for their 1st round pick, grow up

  39. 1st off Gruden, Russell came out of Wisconsin he started at NC state. Doug flutie was the 1st short qb that did his thing. Drew was just the best under 6 ft

  40. BTW if you ever heard Troy Aikman he always says that a QBs height isn’t as important as these people try to make it out to be because as he says and I quote “I’m 6’4″ and I couldn’t see over the linemens heads”. So stop with the BULL and calling it a “Fact of Physics”!

    So many things wrong here but leading with the big gun, quoting Troy Aikman. Watch Tom Brady next time he walks up to the line. Gronk & Brown are the only guys taller. But yeah, I’m sure that a 6′ 5″ QB sees exactly the same thing as a 6′ QB at the same distance from an obstacle. Science, math, bah!

  41. chillyball says:
    January 22, 2019 at 3:14 pm
    Think of the records Doug Flutie could have had if the NFL wasn’t biased against short people.

    Let’s not forget to credit the union for labeling him a scab. Doug brought it. He’s not my favorite person by any means but he got jobbed.

  42. I think it wise to trust 0% of what comes out of chucky’s mouth between now and the draft. Im no Gruden fan but no or has more incentive or ability to be a massive smoke machine then he.

  43. There are only 2 QB’s in the history of the NFL to have 5 straight 300 plus completion seasons to begin their career, Peyton Manning and Derek Carr. Gruden needs to clean house and get rid of that scrub, Tom Cable, who has no business pretending to be an OL coach. The Raiders OL was the worst it has been in 1997 when Jeff George was sacked 58 times (Carr was sacked 51 times in Gruden’s offense).

  44. Lets be real here – being 6’7″ is useful but still not enough to overcome being Brock Osweiler.

    Let’s also agree that being tall is definitely an advantage over being smaller – guys like Brees and Wilson are amazing at what they do (but especially Brees would definitely not say to being a little taller).

    QB’s tend to maximise their height while they survey the field (bobbing up and down and staying tall) – these big linemen are often engaged in a sumo battle and, as such, are often in a much lower position.

    Pretty simple, really.

  45. thefiesty1 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 3:55 pm
    Good! Take Murray and continue the dumpster fire in Oakland (or wherever they play). Another gimmick like Mahommes. It won’t last and didn’t even survive Sunday.
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    Yeah the league MVP was the problem Sunday. SMDH.

  46. Given the lack of successful short quarterbacks in the NFL, I would say good quarterbacks that are short are an exception. Most short quarterbacks don’t make it in the NFL. It is a pretty big gamble if we use history as a guide.

  47. He’s already has us going in the wrong direction. Mike Mayock and him are joke. Go back to the booth if they still want you.

  48. exinsidetrader says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:32 pm

    And I no longer believe that Gruden knows how to coach or build a team.

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    Was there a time that Gruden EVER did?

    Al Davis built the Raiders team that Gruden coached in his first stint and Gruden didn’t even produce a winning record until his 3rd season. In contrast Del Rio and Art Shell (first stint) took the Raiders to the playoffs in their 2nd seasons.

    In Tampa, Gruden systematically wrecked the excellent roster he inherited and as a game-day HC, his record was mediocre.

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