Rams-Saints outcome fuels lawsuit seeking a Rule 17 do-over

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A Sunday night item explaining a rule that, in theory, gives the Commissioner the power to order a do-over as the remedy for extraordinary unfair outcomes apparently has fueled one lawsuit, and counting.

Via WDSU.com, a New Orleans lawyer has filed a lawsuit seeking to compel Commissioner Roger Goodell to invoke Rule 17 of the official rulebook and replay the balance of the NFC Championship game from the moment Rams defensive back Nickell Robey-Coleman wiped out, without consequence, Saints receiver Tommylee Lewis before a pass intended for Lewis arrived.

The New Orleans lawyer, Frank D’Amico, also has issued a press release that copies and pastes extensively from the original PFT story on the issue, without attribution. (Hopefully, D’Amico’s legal skills far exceed his P.R. abilities.)

A Lafayette law firm separately has informed the NFL that litigation over the outcome could be coming.

Lawsuits like this very rarely prevail. But the league will have to dot some i’s and cross some t’s to get out of this one, especially since D’Amico’s lawsuit undoubtedly will seek emergency relief aimed at forcing the Rams and Saints to reconvene in New Orleans for the final 1:49 of regulation, with the score tied at 20 and the Saints having a first down just inside the L.A. five.

Given that the lawsuit has been filed in Louisiana state court, the publicly-elected local judges may be inclined to take a more favorable look at this, forcing the NFL to potentially scramble through appeals courts and/or federal courts to avoid what could start as a half-joke and quickly become a deadly-serious problem for the league. At a minimum, a state-court judge could force the NFL to emerge from hiding and answer pointed questions about what happened on Sunday, when Rule 17 applies, and why it shouldn’t apply here.

289 responses to “Rams-Saints outcome fuels lawsuit seeking a Rule 17 do-over

  1. NFL rules do no allow replay review of Pass Interference. So they should redo the third down and play from there.

  2. No mention of the no-call on the Goff face mask which would have set the Rams up with 1st and goal at the 1 or 2-yard line?

    How shocking!

  3. After what the Saints got away with against the Minnesota Vikings in the 2010 Championship game this was well deserved. I couldn’t be happier this happened to the Saints and even happier that it happened on their home turf-you got away with murder against the Vikings-you deserve this…………….

  4. A “do-over”, hahaha. WhoDat nation is just embarrassing themselves now, led by their shameless whiny leader Sean Payton.

  5. Well doing so would certainly increase the viewership of the Super Bowl. Unless you’re a Pats fan you don’t want to see them in the game (again) and you don’t want to watch a team that got there because of a horrendous non-call.

  6. And this is how the Pandora box gets open. Seriously though, with 1 and 10 in already field goal range, why throw an incomplete pass? Can we discuss that dumb call for a minute? That was a gigantic Sean Payton megachoke only compared to Kyle Shanahan in the SB. I know that you have Drew Bress, but why risk a pass as your third attempt? Run the ball, and let them use a timeout.

  7. Can we go back to the Ice Bowl, and replay 3rd and goal from the 6, since Jerry Kramer was not called for a False Start from the 1?
    Suck it up Saints fans…game’s over….wait til next year!

  8. I’m just here to enjoy the squirming of an NFL Commissioner who claims the laws of physics are detrimental to the sport, but thinks nothing of deploying incompetent refs to conference championship games. Hopefully they subpoena his phone!

  9. Buying an NFL ticket only grants you access to the stadium. There’s no language in the players contracts to say they are there to win, they are there to get paid.

    It’s entertainment, be entertained. When the clock hits 0:00. Let it go, there’s more to life then complaining about a call that the millionaires laugh all the way to the bank anyways 🙂

  10. I love my Saints, and while this is a bit over the top, I do hope it makes the NFL more interested in integrity of the game.

    I dont blame the Rams, they took the opportunity given to them and won. Yes, there were other bad non-calls like the Goff facemask, the PI not called against Robey-Coleman in the beginning of Q4 around the Rams 40. Both very blatant misses.

    All that said, if an extremely obvious call that a 5-year old can make was actually made, then this game is over and the Saints win. That is completely unacceptable when you ask people to invest their time, money, and heart into your product. You cant pretend your games matter when you dont even bother to have basic mechanisms in place to have integrity in the outcome.

    This isnt a call against Haden in a first quarter that Steelers fans equate this to, this isnt a Jaylon Smith headshot on Kamara not called in a regular season game. This is locking up a Super Bowl birth and the officials blew an extremely simple and obvious call.

  11. The call was wrong yes, but I hope these lawsuits go absolutely nowhere.
    If they gain any leg, or god forbid, are actually successful there would be no end in sight to future lawsuits.

    Eventually they’ll be a lawsuit about a Week 3 game where a bogus holding call in the 2nd quarter negated a TD. They missed the FG afterwards, lost the game by 6, and went on to miss the playoffs based on a tiebreaker. I mean, come on, the sole reason they missed out on the playoffs was that one holding call!! Gotta sue!

  12. Brees threw a pick in overtime. The game is over.
    ======================
    That’s irrelevant…game should’ve been over nimrod

  13. A lawsuit is a terrible idea… it’s just dumb grandstanding that won’t amount to anything.
    However, the NFL should do something for the Saints/their fans.
    Fans of all teams invest a lot of time, stress, emotion, and dollars into supporting their team over the course of the season. That investment is based on trust that the game is (for the most part) fairly legislated on the field. That trust was clearly broken on Sunday, and will likely impact the legacies of the players, and therefore will impact whether or not the fans think their NFL team is a product worth investing all that time, stress, emotion, and dollars into. This whole thing is such a mess. I’m kind of tired hearing about it, but as a fan, it’s probably worth parsing and talking about.

  14. I agree, we should replay the end of the game starting with the missed call:

    Rams 17 Saints 20, 6:40 left in the 4th, LA 1st and goal at the 1 yard line (where Goff got facemasked).

  15. If I’m one of those local judges, I’m remembering the Saints getting screwed by the NFL PR effort known as Bountygate.

  16. Sweet. Please amend the lawsuit to also require Steelers kicker Chris Boswell to re-kick the game-winning FG against the Bengals in the 2015 playoffs from 65 yards out. Replay evidence shows assistant coach Joey Porter was on the field and the league acknowledged the Steelers should have been backed up 15 yards as a result.

    Obviously, I’m being sarcastic. Tuck Rule, Joey Porter antics, Dez Bryant catch, and missed Rams DPI all changed the outcomes of playoff games, but we can’t get a do-over every time.

  17. Stop….just stop…..

    Every team gets screwed at some point. Lawsuits?! Really?! My memory is bad, but I don’t recall anyone in MN setting up lawsuits when the Saints used bounties in that game or suing when the phantom Pass interference was called on Leber.

    Did the Saints get screwed, sure. Too dame bad. Mayby Mr. Payton’s ego should’ve not been so huge and if he runs the ball he wins the game on 1st down after the 2 min warning.

    You lost, stop your crying and deal with it.

    Sincerely,
    A bitter Vikings fan who is sick of hearing people complain about this when we have way more “screw jobs” to complain about!

  18. Did I watch a different game? Did the Saints not take the lead on that drive? Here’s an idea – make a stop, win the game. Can’t do that? You won the toss in OT? Score a touchdown, win the game. Can’t do that? Kick a field goal, then make a stop, win the game.
    They had ample opportunity to win that game and they failed. They had a 13 point lead at the end of the first quarter at home with a deafening home field advantage. And they need to stop pretending that if the ref makes that call correctly, they automatically go the Superbowl. What if there’s a fumbled snap and LA recovers? What if LA blocks the field goal attempt? ENOUGH. Bad call? Absolutely! But they happen all the time. Overcome it and win the game.

  19. This is really just kind of sad…

    Missed calls and bad calls happen in every sporting event. There’s no chance this warrants the commissioner overturning a result based on the language of rule 17, which specifies “calamity or non-participant interference that is extraordinarily unfair.” A missed call is run of the mill unfairness, and the NFL can show any game from any season as evidence of that.

  20. Should the Vikings file a lawsuit for their loss in the 2009 NFC championship game? How about the Steelers for getting hosed back in December in that same stadium? How about the Packers doing it for that Fail Mary game in 2012? There has been a lot of bad calls in NFL history. The best teams don’t have to rely on calls like these in order to win.

  21. I seriously doubt any random lawyer is going to convince a judge that they have standing to bring such an action. Anybody short of the New Orleans Saints organization themselves filing a lawsuit is likely to be laughed out of court. Gamblers don’t count.

  22. The Saints have been snake bitten:

    1. Bountygate

    2. Miracle in Minnesota

    3. NFCCG non-call

    It must be voodoo.

  23. I got a better idea:

    Sue for game manipulation/fixing and get Goodell’s emails and cell phone up on an overhead projector in the court room so we can see just how deep his cheating goes.

    This one is as smelly as Spygate, Deflategate and Zekegate, amongst all other other times Goodell mysteriously looked the other way for the Cheating Six.

    With the Rams moving to LA, the Chargers there, there is a LOT of money invested there and A LOT of money to be made, especially with far more eyeballs on tv screens in LA than in the Louisiana area.

    It’s that simple.

  24. Another lawyer trying to make a name for themself using this schtick. Get over it, life goes on. Calls are not perfect as so many other points you could replay from where a call was missed. Look too hard you might not like what you see.

  25. sammievee says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    This all qualifies as absurd, stupid, offensive to rational thinking people.

    7 7 Rate This

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    What’s absurd is the NFL is the only pro sports league in North America to have these constant, mysterious “issues” that simply do not make sense or add up.

    All of it started when Goodell took over. Do the math.

  26. It’s amazing how Saints fans somehow see integrity as an issue now. Before Sunday all they had no problem with issues that had helped them. What changed?

  27. To me – a retired training and employee development specialist, the issue is the refs arent trained to handle this stuff. They rely on the booth to cover for their mistakes knowing they probably wont get punished for screwing up anyways.
    Hey, a ref standing right on the goal line signals TD when it was clear the guy stepped out and then that was reversed, is BS. They are not close to getting it right.
    I’ll give them one thing, the rules themsleves were vague to give the offense more leaway so more points were scored. The NFL wants points not defensive battles

  28. Hahahaha..that would be worse than the original missed call !!!

    How many other calls were missed in that game, or other playoff games. Should they replay the entire playoffs?

    Just ridiculous.

  29. If people think this makes Goodell squirm you aren’t paying attention. Roger Goodell will shutter 345 Park Avenue and burn it to the ground before he ever does anything like this. Anything that makes Goodell look bad will never see the light of day. Such is life in the NFL under his reign.

    Drew Brees choked.

  30. Saints biggest crybabies on earth. Can’t think of least deserving team or fanbase. Rams beat you fair and square. Your 1 non-call, was not even catchable. Ball was clearly thrown behind him. The Refs gave you a bogus PI in OT when the game mattered most. 14:53 Aints player ran into defender, who had the right to play the ball. Automatic 1st down. The Rams D then began to stifle the Aints, ultimately Brees threw a pick. Oh, di we need to mention a ton of Early contact, non-calls agiant the Eagles. Get over it. Have a seat. Rams were better.

  31. This is fantastic, I’m grabbing popcorn too. I would love to see this go forward and succeed. The repercussions are endless. Maybe they can go back and reverse the roughing the passer call on Sugar Bear Hamilton back in ’76 and suspend referee Ben Dreith.

  32. Missed calls can’t be considered part of the extreme measures remedy. At last year’s SB even after review the Philly Special was allowed despite using an illegal formation. Many games hinge on bad/no calls. Just make every play/call challengeable like Belichick has been saying for years.

    And don’t forget you’re talking about a commissioner who fabricated PSI test results AND had Brady’s offer of phone logs (which NFL has always accepted in lieu of a player’s phones) hidden, legally sealed, and then publicly claimed Brady destroyed his phone so there was no way to know who he called/texted!

  33. I say no do over because the game was riddled with bad calls the whole game on both sides.
    Did we know if the ball was so out of bounds it was un catchable. If so its not pass interference anyways.

  34. Please!
    Did the Saints not take the lead and failed to stop the Rams?
    Did the Saints not win the coin toss in OT and failed to score?
    Did the Saints not fail to stop the Rams yet again and lost.

    Enough.

  35. So, what is the statute of limitations on these? How far back can we go and change the games…can they review a game that changes the dynamics of the playoff picture? Will it be resolved before the Superbowl? If not, do they replay the last minute of the NFCC game and then the Superbowl if the Saints hang on and win?

  36. Kurt’s Cousin says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:29 pm
    Where this outcry when Brett Favre got bludgeoned by the Saints in 2009?
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    Do you live in a cave? They suspended Payton for an entire season. Smh

  37. Saints blew this in the 2nd quarter up 13-0 and their Defense got outscored 26-10 so the Saints don’t deserve going to Super Bowl and no supreme court will reverse a refs judgement call of “ball arriving to receiver at same time of contact”

  38. “I’m not happy. I’m suing!”
    -Home of the brave and land of the frivolous lawsuits.

    Look, it was a bad call. I don’t think there is any argument there. But this? Really?

    The NFL commish is in the court room more than in a football stadium lately. Kaep, Brady, Clarett/Mike Williams suing to get into the draft, Zeke, concussions, Bountygate, Oakland suing for the Raiders. It’s never ending. At this point, 2 bucks of every ticket sold probably goes toward legal fees. How Goodell keeps his job is beyond me.

  39. And the Seattle Seahawks should demand a do-over of Super Bowl XL since the head ref admitted in his words he kicked calls and impacted the result of the game.

  40. Some of you are missing the point. First of all, an attorney filed this on his own. It wasn’t the Saints or their fans. Second of all, the point of the lawsuit is to make Goodell answer questions, stop hiding and man up.

  41. The Saints have been snake bitten:

    1. Bountygate

    2. Miracle in Minnesota

    3. NFCCG non-call

    It must be voodoo.
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    Bountygate was the Saints doing!

  42. Ridiculous. IF pass interference or helmet-to-helmet calls/non-calls were reviewable; and it was blatantly obvious that the review decision was incorrect – then, you’d have a case.

    However – since the penalties are not currently reviewable, what are they going to claim – that the officials had money bet on LA – and they waited until the final two minutes to make a bad non-call against the Saints? What a stretch….

    The blame for the loss is on Sean Payton…..two minutes left – you’re in field goal position already….run the ball…run down the clock…quit trying to be a genius.

  43. A Lawyer who is also obviously a Saints fan is suing the league because his favorite team got screwed? Ok. I get it, if my favorite team was jobbed by an egregious non-call in a conference championship game, I would be miffed too. Oh wait, it happened 9 years ago to my favorite squad (Roughing the passer non-calls and a phantom P.I. in OT) yeah, yeah, yeah, I know they fumbled 5 times too, BUT… The Vikings got a “Sorry”. Sean Payton got a year off, Gregg Williams got more time than that off. The Saints got a Lombardi trophy out of the deal. Ask all involved if was worth it. I bet yes. At no time would I ever have taken the “We are gonna play that part of the game over” as a band aid to poor officiating. The official involved needs to be investigated, then fired. You cant miss a call at that point of a game of that magnitude. As for playing it over, get a life. The Saints got jobbed. The integrity of the league is in question and rightly so. But, I do not have ANY sympathy for Saints fans whatsoever.

  44. Rodger Goodel and his Fake ‘Integrity’ Scam

    In addition to that most disturbing and Blantant No-Call Hit against the Saints did anyone notice during the 4th Quarter Interception off Edelman that KC LB Anthony Hitchens (53) takes Edelmans head off with a direct forearm to his head?

    Should of been a 15 yard Penalty given to KC but notice how both the Refs and those who are announcing the plays during the game are FORBIDDEN to make any mention of it.

    People need to ban together and open a Class Action Lawsuit against the NFL for Conspiracy to Defraud against the US = General Public, Team(s), Players and Ticket Holders.

  45. A fan shouldn’t have standing to sue. I think it’s a stretch to say they’re a 3rd party beneficiary with standing. Additionally, Rule 17 is discretionary, this is over before it begins. What this will do is force the NFL to acknowledge Rule 17 and state that Goodell doesn’t want to use it

  46. Bad officiating has been going on for a long time. Ok, THIS time was a playoff game, but there were teams that finished one game out of the playoffs that got crapped on by the refs, so were they denied their “right” (LOL) to go to the playoffs?

    Maybe the Rams, and their fans should file a countersuit against the NFL and the Saints for the allowed use of whistles and artificial noisemakers by the Saints’ fans.

  47. This is really stupid! You could have a redo in each and every game all season long. If they did a redo on the Rams/Saints, then wouldn’t there be a reason to redo Patriots/Chiefs On pretty much the same grounds? I’m stating this on bogus calls and no calls. Yes, I’m disappointed my team didn’t make it, but it comes down to “it is what it is” until the NFL comes up with a better way of officiating. Perhaps they need an official at the game site in the replay booth to overturn bogus and non calls on major calls/no calls.

  48. So how can they say for sure that the receiver would have caught the ball. Lots of players drop passes like that.

  49. I could ALMOST understand this if it was coming straight from the team owners, since they DO have a huge financial interest in their team going to the Super Bowl. Other than that, take your story walkin’.

  50. This will sit in court until after the Super Bowl and then they’ll say “Oops, too late now”. Nothing will come of this.

  51. I need to go back and re-watch the Bears/Eagles heartbreaker and see if I can find any missed calls and get a lawsuit to start the playoffs over from the wildcard round

  52. I’d like to introduce exhibit A from week 16 saints against the steelers….don’t be a crybaby when there is a non call against you but be completely fine when that non call goes your way.

  53. Just another ambulance chaser trying to find clients. One of the many problems with the judicial system in this country. Hopefully it gets tossed quickly and these losers don’t get anymore publicity.

  54. Even if that penalty was called, there is no guarantee that the Saints can score a touchdown from that spot. Anyone who have watched NFL games should know that goal line stands happen weekly. Many teams don’t score after getting a first down yards away from the goal line. Pick sixes have also happened, when a DB intercepts the pass and runs it all the way back the other way for a touchdown. Fumbles are also common near the goal line. People who claim that the non-call prevented the Saints from winning the game are football novices.

  55. Goodel started this with Deflategate and his Fake ‘Integrity of the Shield’ Scam that he pulled off with the Fake News experts ESPN Cliff Mortensen and other non-integrity media outlets.

    Payback is Due and Coming

  56. Rule 17 does not apply. It was meant for power outages, fan interference, coaches tripping players and stuff like that. It does not apply to a blown call.

  57. sb44champs says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:25 pm
    Brees threw a pick in overtime. The game is over.
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    That’s irrelevant…game should’ve been over nimrod

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    “Should’ve”….”Could’ve”……the two words uttered by losers that cannot accept that their teams lost

    Was the call bad. Yes. Did the Saints have ab opportunity to win the game anyway? Yes. But they did not.

  58. Rush Limbaugh said the two officials who were looking directly at the play and failed to call PI, reportedly live in LA.

    Coincidence????

    Stevie Wonder wouldn’t have missed that call it was so blatant.

  59. Not sure the Saints want to open that can of worms… if they do than the Vikings surely have legal recourse to challenge the results of the ’09 game and have the Saints SB win expunged from the records.

    Outside of the bountygate stuff implemented and condoned by the low-lifes in charge in NO…. there were plenty of illegal hits on Favre that went uncalled and a more than 1 questionable call in OT that gave the Saints the win.

  60. Bountygate was the Saints doing!

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    Actually most teams did it. They were the ones that took the hit for it for the league. Just like the Dolphins took the hit for hazing players in Bullygate. Which both investigations were done buy the same guy that looked into deflated footballs and Brady’s phone.

  61. solo681 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:42 pm
    Rodger Goodel and his Fake ‘Integrity’ Scam

    In addition to that most disturbing and Blantant No-Call Hit against the Saints did anyone notice during the 4th Quarter Interception off Edelman that KC LB Anthony Hitchens (53) takes Edelmans head off with a direct forearm to his head?

    Should of been a 15 yard Penalty given to KC but notice how both the Refs and those who are announcing the plays during the game are FORBIDDEN to make any mention of it.

    People need to ban together and open a Class Action Lawsuit against the NFL for Conspiracy to Defraud against the US = General Public, Team(s), Players and Ticket Holders.

    2 1 Rate This

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    Yes, the Chiefs were getting away with murder all game and it’s comical to me how fans want to spin it the other way over 1 make up call on the roughing penalty on Brady.

    The game should have been a blow out. Look at the final stats.

    It’s so obvious. He does it for ratings.

  62. @tylawspick6 – do you ever stop crying dude? Seriously, you whine more than any poster I ave ever seen…..even when your team wins. What’s up with that?

  63. Please. The ball wasn’t even catchable. Refs then gave the Aints a bogus call, 1st down at 14:53 of OT where their TE ran into the Rams defender- who has a right to play the ball. What happened next? Brees blew the game, the Aints D couldn’t make a stop. God doesn’t like cheaters.

  64. Now I know why Roger has been silent to the press. It could be used in courts. Since the rule is in the rulebook, a lawsuit should also be filed by on behalf of the fans. I’m sure an attorney is researching it to see if the fans could have the tickets prices refunded.

    As far as history is concerned, the Saints took their punishment and have been clean ever since. Payton had to miss a season because of dumbass Gregg E. and learned a lesson. There might be individual incidents like Ingram’s P.E.D. failed test but as an organization the team has been clean.

  65. kamthechancellor says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:38 pm

    Do you live in a cave? They suspended Payton for an entire season. Smh
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    They suspended him for Bountygate which is cheating!
    That has nothing to do with the missed call. Smh

  66. There are a lot of rules that need to be changed and the NFL refuses to do so. Pick plays are very rarely ever called. Defensive PI is a judgement call and it being a spot foul is stupid, especially the ones they call that are away from the play. Make it a 10 yd penalty. Defensive holding, If it didn’t impact the play, let it go. Holding or hands to the face in the trenches, if it doesn’t impact the play then let it go. I know there is more, but Let these men play football.

  67. Saints fans need to take a look at their own mirrors for once. For all the crying and moaning about one call, go back and look at every game that you won in that dome. If you can honestly say that the refs work against you, I can may be… may be sympathize with you. It all starts with your Choking Head Coach who always fights with the opposing team players and takes jabs at them. Once the PI call was missed, he stopped coaching and no one in NO is pointing out his bad coaching or your HOF QB’s inefficiency in the 4th quarter & OT to move the ball. Go home Aints!

  68. I would also like the know the PSI of the Chief and Patriots footballs in 19-degree weather on Sunday night. I would think they were 2 to 3 pounds under the required 13 so that entire game should be replayed. I did notice the air pressure in my car today was 5 under the recommended level because it was 15 here in Annapolis this AM. When I filled to 35 PSI the temp was 50 degrees.

  69. The real lawsuit should be NFL teams bilking Taxpayers for their For-profit Stadiums and hijacking fanbases to pay for them or they’ll abandon their city.

    Most people realize the NFL is a hot mess built on a questionable house of cards, but the legality of the venues most teams play in should be put under intense scrutiny because it is essentially extortion.

  70. The very next rule makes it clear the Commissioner cannot use the Rule 17 powers just because of a bad call.

  71. LMAO…. The Rams fans tried to warn you, Saints.. They had a petition circulating to have this crew removed. You didn’t listen. Can’t change your mind now.

  72. The Saints have been snake bitten:
    1. Bountygate
    2. Miracle in Minnesota
    3. NFCCG non-call
    It must be voodoo.
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    Forgot number 4: Super Bowl 44 Champions! Can’t take that away Haha

  73. No different than the stupid tuck rule play. Now the Saints fans can see what it feels like getting screwed on a bad call. You will still be complaining about this in twenty years! This is the new tuck play. Enjoy.

  74. SWFLPC.INC says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:55 pm
    @tylawspick6 – do you ever stop crying dude? Seriously, you whine more than any poster I ave ever seen…..even when your team wins. What’s up with that?

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    I just want Goodell gone and the cheating to stop like every other longtime diehard who experienced the beautiful Rozelle and Tagliabue regimes.

    Just because you’re younger and didn’t experience it and/or don’t remember how this stuff never existed in those eras, that’s not my problem.

  75. Think its bad now? The era of Sports betting is here and if left up to judgement calls there will be a lot more bad calls that change outcomes of games.
    Guarantee scandals will be coming. Unfortunately they are going to have to start reviewing penalties because of this new reality. Someone gets leverage on these officials or players either financially or otherwise, it wont be pretty.

  76. Full disclosure, I was rooting for the Saints..Having said that, the lawsuit is a non-starter, its probably not documented within the body of the rule but it should have been invoked at the end of regulation and before OT.

    The officials failed on the field, in the stadium replay booth and NY replay headquarters.

    The NFL should take this rule off the books. They don’t have the guts to employ it or the brains to know when it should be.

  77. Ridiculous and would open a vast Pandora’s box if allowed to proceed.

    And for a moment lets say the suit proceeds and is won. The Rams have to fly back and forego all Super Bowl planning to deal with this. If the Saints were to “win” the redo then they would have no Super Bowl planning in place. The Super Bowl would have to be moved back. All the flights, hotel rooms etc that people have already bought would have to be redone.

    There would be a huge fecal storm of side effects and sports would be ruined here for the foreseeable future as anytime upset fans felts a bad call caused their team to lose, or a no call there would be a lawsuit. Calls were missed on both sides in both games last weekend as they are in almost ever single game in every sport played. They usually balance out. Fans need to get over it and move on, you can’t regularly have teams flying back and forth to replay games, it would be total insanity.

  78. The Saints did make it to the Super Bowl. The Super Bowl of Cry-Babies and Poor Losers!! You think you are the only team that ever had a bad call go against you?? You had the whole game to avoid that moment. What about the missed face mask call on Goff? They could have called a number of penalties on both sides in that last quarter, but they tried to let the players decide the game. It’s OVER. You LOST. GET OVER IT.

  79. Can we also do the infamous Tuck Rule game? What about the Immaculate Reception game? How about the Bounty Gate games? How about the spy-gate game? How about the Sea of Hands game? How about the Holy Roller game? Red state mad a blue state team won, if this happened against the St Louis Rams, people would be over it.

  80. Good to see some lawyers have found even more frivolous lawsuits to file.
    I guess ambulance chasing isn’t paying that well?

    #OnlyInAmerica

  81. ch1ggs says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:19 pm
    No mention of the no-call on the Goff face mask which would have set the Rams up with 1st and goal at the 1 or 2-yard line?

    How shocking!

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    This is a very valid argument. But crying over missed calls this bad is a loser’s mentality regardless of who it’s against or not. The fact remains that while this no-call clearly impacted the momentum/flow of the game, it indeed continued and the Saints had 3 more chances on Defense to stop the Rams and they did not.

  82. Well, i for one am just glad that for once the Patriots are going to the Super Bowl and the silliness that fills up the two weeks in between seems to be aimed over on the NFC Side for a change.

  83. solo681 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:42 pm
    Rodger Goodel and his Fake ‘Integrity’ Scam

    In addition to that most disturbing and Blantant No-Call Hit against the Saints did anyone notice during the 4th Quarter Interception off Edelman that KC LB Anthony Hitchens (53) takes Edelmans head off with a direct forearm to his head?

    Should of been a 15 yard Penalty given to KC but notice how both the Refs and those who are announcing the plays during the game are FORBIDDEN to make any mention of it.
    ————
    I thought something similar on this play. There should have been a personal foul called on this play. Edelmen lowered his helmet directly into Hitchens arm. These refs can’t make a good call ever! LOL Even when they win their fans complain.

  84. The facemask being constantly mentioned was more of a brush / very brief unintentional grab + release which I believe by current rule would not be assessed a penalty as the only option now is the PF version. I think that would have been a very ticky-tack call, glad they didn’t flag it.

  85. footballinla says:

    January 22, 2019 at 1:09 pm

    Can we also do the infamous Tuck Rule game? What about the Immaculate Reception game? How about the Bounty Gate games? How about the spy-gate game? How about the Sea of Hands game? How about the Holy Roller game? Red state mad a blue state team won, if this happened against the St Louis Rams, people would be over it.

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    Tuck rule game was called correctly. The same call went against the Patriots early that year….move on.

  86. footballinla says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:09 pm
    Can we also do the infamous Tuck Rule game?

    ———

    Why? The refs actually enforced the a rule in that case. That was the complete opposite of this situation.

  87. Finally the Raiders can get justice!!!! Replay game vs Steelers from the point of the Immaculate Deception and have game vs Patriots replayed from the Tuck Rule play.

    Possible 2 more Superbowl wins for dah Raidars!!!

  88. footballinla says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:09 pm
    Can we also do the infamous Tuck Rule game? What about the Immaculate Reception game? How about the Bounty Gate games? How about the spy-gate game? How about the Sea of Hands game? How about the Holy Roller game? Red state mad a blue state team won, if this happened against the St Louis Rams, people would be over it.

    0 1 Thank You

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    The Ruck Rule was the rule. NE had it called on them in Foxborough that year in Week 2 vs the Jets.

    No one said a word then.

    You lose.

    The roughing in ’76 on 4th down was a joke. That was an Al Davis requested thing since his team kept losing to the Steelers.

    Stuff has happened, but the frequency in which this stuff happens in the NFL now is clearly out of control and it’s because Goodell is trying to manipulate games for higher ratings due to the ratings drops, the revenue drops and the new CBA coming. They lose leverage in the CBA talks if the advertisers won’t compete as much to jump on board.

    Follow the greed….Follow the greed.

  89. 99.9% of the time, one call or missed call doesn’t affect the outcome of the game…

    What happened in New Orleans Sunday was the .1% where one missed call absolutely affected the outcome of the game…

    However…the lawsuit shouldn’t be about replaying the outcome of the game!!! The lawsuit absolutely needs to happen to determine why the call wasn’t made and who within the NFL benefitted financially because of it! It is the only explanation why the call wasn’t made…

  90. boisestatewhodat says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:21 pm
    This is not going away. It will only get worse by the hour…
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    I will say this slowly for you so you can understand, there will be no asterisk next to the Rams win over the Saints in the NFL record books!

  91. It’s a game…. It’s not life and death. So waste the court’s time and resources for this? This lawyer should be disbarred…

  92. itsnotcheese2934 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:11 pm
    footballinla says:

    January 22, 2019 at 1:09 pm

    Can we also do the infamous Tuck Rule game? What about the Immaculate Reception game? How about the Bounty Gate games? How about the spy-gate game? How about the Sea of Hands game? How about the Holy Roller game? Red state mad a blue state team won, if this happened against the St Louis Rams, people would be over it.

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    Tuck rule game was called correctly. The same call went against the Patriots early that year….move on.

    1 1 Rate This
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    Yeah that call you talk about was not in a playoff game..Move on trumptard.

  93. Why not replay the game (A la George Brett Pine Tar Game) this Sunday in place of the Pro Bowl. Guaranteed to get better ratings & that’s all Fraudger & Park Ave care about, anyways. Win-Win!

  94. tajuara says:January 22, 2019 at 12:22 pm
    And this is how the Pandora box gets open. Seriously though, with 1 and 10 in already field goal range, why throw an incomplete pass? Can we discuss that dumb call for a minute? That was a gigantic Sean Payton megachoke only compared to Kyle Shanahan in the SB. I know that you have Drew Bress, but why risk a pass as your third attempt? Run the ball, and let them use a timeout.
    ==============================

    I’m glad you brought this point up to remind people of the master PR job the Saints are doing to deflect from the dumb playcalling. Payton wanted Brees to have the glory of throwing the “game winning” touchdown instead of doing the smart thing and running up the middle a few times and kicking a chip shot field goal. Seahawk fans can sympathize with throwing to give the QB the glory over running the ball.

    Saints want a do over due to a missed call? Fine, let’s start with the missed facemask penalty which would have given the Rams a 1st down.

  95. Here’s a novel idea…how about the Saints play well enough to where 1 or 2 calls doesn’t affect the game? If they were truly the better team, then it wouldn’t have had to come down to a missed call.

  96. Of course it is coming from a lawyer. They make tons of money and have nothing else to do. Complete ridiculous!

  97. if the NFL doesnt squash this immediately we might as well give up on a regular season.As noted before every team has its moments.Sure they are bad but court? no way.Shoot I remember one game a few years back time running out atlanta on the ten of carolina gonzalise standing there in the end zone then luke K comes up and gives him a bear hug and the pass hit him and he couldnt do anything falcons lose.If it were taken to court we would still be battling it.Every bodys got a bad one.

  98. Given that the lawsuit has been filed in Louisiana state court, the publicly-elected local judges may be inclined to take a more favorable look at this, forcing the NFL to potentially scramble through appeals courts and/or federal courts to avoid what could start as a half-joke and quickly become a deadly-serious problem for the league.

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    This will certainly happen. You don’t mess with football down south. It’s taken very seriously.

  99. 6burgh says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:23 pm
    Buying an NFL ticket only grants you access to the stadium. There’s no language in the players contracts to say they are there to win, they are there to get paid.

    It’s entertainment, be entertained. When the clock hits 0:00. Let it go, there’s more to life then complaining about a call that the millionaires laugh all the way to the bank anyways 🙂

    We all watch this sacred, beloved game all the while having fair play and integrity front of mind. Until the replay, then were all lunatic fans.

    At the end of the day, if they called every penalty it would be unwatchable. Actually I think they call it golf. Not as big a river sometimes between the NFL & WWE as you’d like to think.

  100. You see the problem here is that on EVERY given play, you have a half dozen or so players who make one kind of mistake or another. We accept that because the players are human. That’s part of the beauty of the game. But that doesn’t apply to the refs I guess. They have to be PERFECT.

    There was a time when the “human rule” applied to everyone on the field, including the refs. No one liked it when a ref missed a call, but it was part of the game, just like every other mistake.

    I don’t like to see refs miss calls, but you know going in that it’s going to happen. Why don’t teams simply deal with those errors just like they deal with all the player errors that happen. Good teams move on.

    Now the Saints are my favorite NFC team, and I would have LOVED to see a Brady v Brees superbowl. But the fact remains, that to me, Peyton’s focus on the blow call is a ploy to get everyone to forget the incredible blunder he made in his clock management at the end of the game.

    And while it certainly hurt to see that play blown, instead of rallying his team to stop the Rams from getting the tying FG, or getting his team to move on and make a scoring drive in the OT; Payton was seen whining about the call right up until the Rams made their winning FG. He didn’t DO HIS JOB.

    It’s a really bad look.

  101. Looks like we need to lawyers as positions on each team as well as real judges as officials. Then when there is a question like this we can pause the game for a few hours while the hash out the proceedings. I am guessing each game might wrap up on Thursday if we are luck and we can start over the following Sunday. Or we understand that mistakes happen and move along.

  102. tylaw,

    Did a Patriots fan really just say “I just want the cheating to stop”?!? I had to read that several times to make sure my eyes were deceiving me.

    You, a Patriots fan, really just typed that and hit post? The irony is thick there.

  103. Wow, I knew saints and their fans were a whiny bunch, but MAN! I remember when philly lost NFC championship in the 08 season and the final play for eagles offense was a horrible no-call PI on cards interfering with Kevin curtis. Eagles fought back after being down 24-6 and tied it up but AZ eventually won(overtime? I don’t remember). After the game, all I heard from people was that it was philly’s fault for being down 24-6 to begin with(which has never made any sense to me) and they shouldn’t be bailed out by the refs. I never saw the eagles threatening to take the league to court. Saints aren’t the 1st team to get screwed by a call/non-call and they won’t be the last. That being said, it couldn’t have happened to a better team.

  104. Resuming the game from the point of PI would be the ideal (and only) fix. You cannot award a victory to the Saints because you can’t assume a made FG. The problem is with the logistics or restarting an NFL game. Also every player would now have so many days of rest to get everything exactly right, and you can’t duplicate the stadium atmosphere. Sadly, there is no recourse except to address it for future games.

  105. The likelihood of this lawsuit succeeding is identical to the likelihood that Tom Brady will be cut and replaced by Colin Kaepernick as the Patriots starter in 2 weeks.

  106. LOL…..Postpone the Super Bowl till this gets settled….. figuring in appeals & more legal maneuvering I’m guessing Brady would have to play when he’s 48 or so…..LOL
    What a farce….

  107. This is just too funny. Yes it was a crappy no call but even if it was the absolute last play of the game the idea that the nfl could be successfully sued for not interpreting their own rule in the way that disgruntled fans feel it should be is really too funny.

    I don’t think its possible for one officiating call or no call to be the determining factor for how a game that was played for 60+ minutes resulted in.

    So is someone also thinking of suing Brees for being mediocre through most of the game and horrible at the end? How about suing Payton for a number of horrendous play calling decisions?

  108. I’m still beyond pissed with the outcome of this game…but c’mon, this is just idiotic. It was stupid to ever bring up in the first place. Nobody is changing the outcome of the game. It would be an even bigger joke than the horrendous non-call. To go back days later and change the outcome of a game…who would take the league serious? It’s reasonable to be pissed, it’s reasonable to want changes made as a result, but it’s moronic to think the NFL would ever just name an alternate victor after the conclusion of the game.

  109. Amazing sign of the times. Don’t like the outcome? Sue. Good grief. No dog in this match, but really – suck it up buttercup and move on.

  110. snowlock2013 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:17 pm
    This is beyond stupid. If football games become legal matters, I’ll stop watching. No Fun League indeed.

    Seriously??? This is the final straw for you? You will stop watching over a lawsuit? So your good with the wife/significant other beatings? and the constant drug abuse? oh, and let us not forget the murders.

  111. I hear Raider fans are filing a lawsuit pertaining to the tuck rule game and Dolphins fans have filed suit against the Patriots for the snowplow game.

  112. Brees threw a pick in overtime. The game is over.
    ======================
    That’s irrelevant…game should’ve been over nimrod

    well,nimrod2, Brees did throw a pick and allowed the Rams to win…love whining Saints fans…and your monicker, after the SB, will be over a decade old…guess, unlike Brady, winningisn’tabrees…

  113. I can imagine what Sean Payton would do now. Who is going to watch 1:49 of Drew Brees taking a knee; a delay of game penalty to move back the kick for the kicker; a field goal, then 40 seconds of the Saints blitzing the Rams. Great Idea.

    Why did Sean Payton not burn out the clock? That’s what the billboard should ask.

  114. The lawsuit should be thrown out and all costs placed on the lawyers filing this frivolous lawsuit.

  115. Lets just rewind the clock another few minutes to the missed face mask call which would have given the rams 1st & goal inside the 5. Maybe replay the whole season because of a missed call in a week 1 game. The whole butterfly effect thing.

  116. omeimontis says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:48 pm
    Even if that penalty was called, there is no guarantee that the Saints can score a touchdown from that spot. Anyone who have watched NFL games should know that goal line stands happen weekly. Many teams don’t score after getting a first down yards away from the goal line. Pick sixes have also happened, when a DB intercepts the pass and runs it all the way back the other way for a touchdown. Fumbles are also common near the goal line. People who claim that the non-call prevented the Saints from winning the game are football novices.

    *******************************

    Even a “novice” knows they didn’t need a TD. They could have run it 3x, kicked a ~20yd FG and given the ball back to Rams with <30sec and no timeouts.

    If you are gonna pretend to have your head outside of your , try harder

  117. tylawspick6 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:05 pm
    SWFLPC.INC says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:55 pm
    @tylawspick6 – do you ever stop crying dude? Seriously, you whine more than any poster I ave ever seen…..even when your team wins. What’s up with that?

    ———————

    I just want Goodell gone and the cheating to stop like every other longtime diehard who experienced the beautiful Rozelle and Tagliabue regimes.

    Just because you’re younger and didn’t experience it and/or don’t remember how this stuff never existed in those eras, that’s not my problem.
    ————————————

    We get it Ty, you and most other Pats’ fans feel they were unfairly attacked by the league. But it seems every article’s comment section is turned into a discussion about Goodell cheating the Pats. If another fan base comments about something that they didn’t like that happened against “their” team, they are told by the same Pats’ fans to quit being crybabies, or this or that fan base is the worst “insert derogatory statement here.” etc. Can you the hypocrisy that most others see?

  118. Steelers1275 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:36 pm
    I hear Raider fans are filing a lawsuit pertaining to the tuck rule game and Dolphins fans have filed suit against the Patriots for the snowplow game.

    Snowplow, field flooding, steroids, cap violations, stickum, silicone spray.
    When people cry about cheating, it’s because their own conscience is reminding them how not-pure they are. Trying to drown it out with screams about others. If you want a game with no cheating try chess. All football players “push the envelope”. The grey areas are where we get to call each other names.

  119. Missed calls happen all the time.

    Saints had the lead after the call. Didn’t defend it.

    Then had the ball in OT, turned it over and did not defend it again.

    This call is masking the fact that the Rams outplayed the Saints…. and that Payton was out coached and should have been running down the clock in that last series instead of the 2 pass plays that were called that ultimately stopped the clock.

    Same coaching mistake as they did against the Vikings last year.

    Not playing complimentary football.

  120. Bring it. Just do it. I would love to see a wrong corrected instead of all the trying to explain it away. For crying out loud, after a season of toiling and hard work, the Saints got jobbed and they actually have the wrong team in the Superbowl. That’s criminal period. Do the right thing. I like that this has grown legs and now its impossible to ignore, (though they would love you to walk away and forget about it no doubt)

  121. This reminds me of bad call at my kids provincial (state) soccer championships. Ref blew a call in one of the games with a minute left. The team that should’ve benefited from the call was down 1-0. They filed a complaint after the game to the association and it was agreed that they would redo the game from that point on the very next morning. Our team had to show up because in the event of a tie, all three teams would’ve had to do a shoot out to determine who went to the gold medal game.

    Turns out the result stayed the same. Lots of people were upset at the coach who brought forward the complaint and felt it was sour grapes, but he did what he thought was best to help his team out and the association agreed with him.

    The problem with this lawsuit is that it opens up a huge can of worms. Maybe there are counter lawsuits that want the commissioner to restart the game back from the missed face masking calls, etc. And let’s get a lawsuit from KC going for the phantom face mask penalty.

    It’s a nice PR stunt but it will go nowhere. Too bad, Nola deserved to be in the Superbowl.

  122. The call was so bad that an investigation should be launched to determine if there was gambling interference. There has to be many legal moves that can be undertaken to at the very least get the NFL to respond to the horrific call that changed the game.

  123. If they do this I’m done with the NFL. I get that the no call was bad, but why is it fair that the Saints get a do-over, when many other teams that missed out on the playoffs, playoff wins or Superbowls because of bad calls didn’t get one in the past?

    The Vikings had a call just like this go against them in the Saints NFC championship game, that might have cost them a trip going to the Superbowl. Along with many no call roughing the passer hits. They didn’t get a re-do, why should the sweet heart Saints? Human error is part of the game of football that all teams fall victim to sooner or later.

    I think if the NFL wants to do something like this going forward to prevent this from happening is fine. Make PI challenged, heck make everything reviewable and challenged. But lets keep the past in the past.

  124. I know….let’s get another Mueller investigation going!! Welcome to the new version of the United States. If you don’t like the result of an open competition, either sue or it must have been fixed, so investigate!

    Call off the Super Bowl! We are going to share it equally between the final 4 teams. Then fire the chimp in charge, Goodell.

  125. I am confused, why have that rule to begin with then? I am waiting for the class action lawsuit that the NFL is fixing games now that sports betting is being legalized. These refs are chosen by the league office, so it definitely looks suspicious.

  126. The Lawsuit that needs to be filed is against the saints for bad clock management by gifting a free timeout to the Rams . Everybody knows they should of ran the ball and run the clock down . Now the whole country will have to endure endless shots of CBS sitcom stars , Hollywood phonies And other people who have been made famous by being a judge on some God awful reality show. They will all be preening for the cameras with their newly bought Rams jerseys now that its hip to be a Rams fan .

  127. Good! Anything to make the NFL squirm, imo. It is their responsibility to assure that the games are fair! Currently, more and more people are beginning to think it is totally rigged, for what team will bring in the most $$$$$. Sad…..I’m not a fan of either team, but boy, the Saints’ were flat screwed.

  128. Why start it from there, lets start it from the non call on the facemask on Goff at the two yard line?

  129. Why is this the only blown call that needs to be corrected? Why not start the game from the previous drive when the Rams should have had a facemasking 1st down?

  130. The damn rule states that the rule doesn’t apply to judgemental errors by officials. Florio just trying to push his agenda. This is what rule Rule 17 section 2 states
    “The commissioner will not apply his authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning judgemental errors or routine Errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed.”

    The league knows they have to protect themselves from stupid officiating and there it is.

  131. I swear I think the league hires people to post pro-NFL messages and upvote certain posts on this site. Check out how many upvotes some of these posts have compared to the others.

  132. According to Rule 17, Section 2, Article 2 states that “The Commissioner will not apply authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed.”

    Somebody better tell the Saints lawyer. Good grief.

  133. Let see… So far, we are replaying both Sunday’s championship games, the “Tuck Rule” game, the “Dez caught it” game, the 2009 NFC Championship, Every Patriots game referenced during the Spygate thing, the Colts/Pats playoff game with deflated footballs… I’m sure if we looked hard enough, we would just start the entire NFL over again. lol

  134. Of course there’s a lawsuit. No one seemed to mind the missed calls during the run that they CHEATED to win. Boo Hoo. New Orleans is a slime city with a slime team. I hope they never see a Superbowl again in franchise history. Nothing makes me happier that sad New Orleans fans.

  135. I almost want to see this happen, if only to force Roger Goodell to explain how this happened and how this doesn’t affect the integrity of the sport. Just to see that spectacle and watching him and the league flop around like live fish in a hot skillet would be worth the price of admission. (Of course, we all know these lawsuits aren’t gonna lead to assessing the penalty and replaying everything from that point.)

  136. There should be a lawsuit over this.

    And this is not bashing either team.

    The SAINTS should be furious, and it’s also not fair that the Rams have to hear all about this too. It’s the Official’s fault and the League’s fault.

    Roger Goodell really needs to answer for this. People need to lose their jobs over this.

    I can say as a GIANTS fan that I 100% understand the pain SAINTS fans are going through here. We had a Playoff Game vs the 49ers in the 2002/2003 Season where we lost on a non Pass Interference penalty that should have move the ball up 15 yards and allowed an un-timed down. The League BLEW it, and the GIANTS offense was red-hot that year.

    The SAINTS were stolen from worse than we were here. This really needs to facilitate some Big changes with how the NFL delivers it’s product. Because right now, it’s not good.

  137. Let’s take this a step further. I am sure there was a missed call during a vikings game this year that they lost and I want that game replayed! if the Vikings win they are in the playoffs and not the EAGLES and all playoff games must be replayed.

  138. steelpenguin6687 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:44 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:05 pm
    SWFLPC.INC says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:55 pm
    @tylawspick6 – do you ever stop crying dude? Seriously, you whine more than any poster I ave ever seen…..even when your team wins. What’s up with that?

    ———————

    I just want Goodell gone and the cheating to stop like every other longtime diehard who experienced the beautiful Rozelle and Tagliabue regimes.

    Just because you’re younger and didn’t experience it and/or don’t remember how this stuff never existed in those eras, that’s not my problem.
    ————————————

    We get it Ty, you and most other Pats’ fans feel they were unfairly attacked by the league. But it seems every article’s comment section is turned into a discussion about Goodell cheating the Pats. If another fan base comments about something that they didn’t like that happened against “their” team, they are told by the same Pats’ fans to quit being crybabies, or this or that fan base is the worst “insert derogatory statement here.” etc. Can you the hypocrisy that most others see?

    Chicken/Egg. I remember taking it from Steeler, Cowboy, Dolphin, Niner fans for a long time and when I gave it back then somehow that became mean spirited. People under 40 can’t really appreciate it. Steeler fans over 60 should understand. You cheated and suck it up are the yin & yang of competition. There’s no changing it.

  139. sterling7 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    After what the Saints got away with against the Minnesota Vikings in the 2010 Championship game this was well deserved. I couldn’t be happier this happened to the Saints and even happier that it happened on their home turf-you got away with murder against the Vikings-you deserve this…………….
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    This lawsuit is one of the dumbest things I ever heard of. The Saints and their fans do realize that they had the lead with over a minute to go in regulation, don’t they? Yes
    The offense did get the ball first to start OT, right? Right
    How many bad calls were made during the Rams drive at the end of the 4th to help them into FG range? None. The defense didn’t stop them
    How about on their FG drive in OT? None. The defense didn’t stop them
    They had 2 chances to stop the Rams from scoring. The Rams got zero help from the refs on those 2 drives. The defense didn’t stop them.

    The Saints got no less than 3 bad calls in OT in the 2009 NFCCG to get them into FG range for a win!!!

  140. I believe this makes the Saints fanbase by far the whiniest. Absolutely hysterical.
    It’s up there with Ottawa Senators owner Eugene Melnyk trying to open a criminal investigation against Matt Cooke when Erik Karlsson had his achilles cut with his skate during a collision on the boards.

  141. “People need to lose their jobs over this.”

    Wow – how’d you like to screw up in your job and have the country calling for your head? The fault lies not with the official who messed up but rather with the fact that there is no recourse for the call to be corrected. Blame this more on the league. As Belichick has requested repeatedly, give the coach 3 challenges for ANY play, not just a subset of rules.

  142. footballinla says:

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    Yeah that call you talk about was not in a playoff game..Move on trumptard.

    _____________________________________________

    Ok, so now you want different rules for regular season and playoffs? How is that fair? Yes i am a Pats fan (but not Trump so how dare you call me that!) but even i can admit that yes, that should have been a fumble. But how is it my fault that the rule was in place? Go Pats!

  143. tylawspick6 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 12:30 pm
    I got a better idea:
    Sue for game manipulation/fixing and get Goodell’s emails and cell phone up on an overhead projector in the court room so we can see just how deep his cheating goes.
    This one is as smelly as Spygate, Deflategate and Zekegate, amongst all other other times Goodell mysteriously looked the other way for the Cheating Six.
    With the Rams moving to LA, the Chargers there, there is a LOT of money invested there and A LOT of money to be made, especially with far more eyeballs on tv screens in LA than in the Louisiana area.
    It’s that simple.

    All you do on this site is incessantly whine about conspiracies involving your beloved Pats. Well tell me this genius…if the league was trying to undermine them then why do they end up in the Superbowl almost every year? Maybe it’s a conspiracy that Chris Jones got called for a BS roughing the passer call that allowed New England to continue their late drive.

  144. How about re-starting the game with the missed face mask call….and play it out on Madden 18….see what happens. I bet LA wins 19/20 times.

  145. jman967 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 2:25 pm
    I believe this makes the Saints fanbase by far the whiniest.

    Cool your jets jman,

    We take second place to no one here in NE. If we lose that title it will have meant that the Pats are no longer in everyone else’s head.

  146. This is the definition of SORE LOSERS. Yes the refs missed a blantent call, but they have been missing those calls forever. How many times have they gone back and changed the outcome over it? Never, so why start now. The bottom line and the reason nothing will change is because even after the call, NO could have run the majority of time off the clock but they chose to instead throw the ball 2 times which helped give the rams the ball back at the end. So you can blame Payton for the loss as much or if not more than the stupid ref. Accept it and move on sheeeesh.

  147. Everyone who says Saints automatically win, have clearly never heard the names Blair Walsh or Tony Romo. 2 “automatic” field goals in playoff games, one is a dropped snap and the other is a giant miss. 99% of the time yes it is automatic but just like in life there is nothing automatic except death and taxes.

  148. YourTeamSucks says:

    January 22, 2019 at 2:12 pm

    Let see… So far, we are replaying both Sunday’s championship games, the “Tuck Rule” game, the “Dez caught it” game, the 2009 NFC Championship, Every Patriots game referenced during the Spygate thing, the Colts/Pats playoff game with deflated footballs… I’m sure if we looked hard enough, we would just start the entire NFL over again. lol

    __________________

    in this redo of the NFL the Lions were the class of the NFL having won 6 Super Bowls. The Browns draft Tom Brady first overall in the 2000 draft and then proceed to set all kinds of records and win 5 of 8 Super Bowls with a chance at a sixth in SB LIII against the perennial NFC powerhouse Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

  149. 1) Doesn’t this lawyer know the NFL is above the law?
    2) Why isn’t he suing Sean Payton for incompetence for not running the ball which would have forced the Rams to use its 2 remaining timeouts and allowing the clock run down to approximately 30 – 40 seconds?

  150. This is a reflection of our current society and a common reaction from a particular political party in this country.

  151. Getoffmylawn! says:
    January 22, 2019 at 1:05 pm
    No different than the stupid tuck rule play.
    *****************************

    So, you want the refs to disregard the rule book and make the wrong call because it benefits your team? That same play happened TO the Pats earlier that year against the Jets, so yes, us Pats fans know about it.

    The issue with the Saints game is that there was a non-call on what should have been a DPI. To equate that to the Tuck rule game is absurd as that WAS a rule in the rulebook and enforced correctly – they did change that rule after the fact, but it was a rule in place when that game was played.

  152. gohawks7 says:
    January 22, 2019 at 2:30 pm
    How about re-starting the game with the missed face mask call….and play it out on Madden 18….see what happens. I bet LA wins 19/20 times.


    I want to like this more than 1 thumb. I know it’s impossible but maybe it makes more sense than starting a football game over. Logistics have been set in place that would be difficult & expensive to reschedule for everyone involved in 4 cities. Realistically how could you give a team a week less to prepare even if everything fast tracked in NO’s favor.

    I my dad told me, I told my kids. Life’s not always fair, deal with it. If you lost money gambling I have less than zero sympathy. You should have no voice in this conversation since every one of you hypocrites take money on bad calls every single week.

  153. LOL, good luck. by the time the lawsuit even appears before a judge, the Super Bowl will have already been played. Saints fans need to swallow this pill, no matter how bitter. The Saints had ample opportunity to win this game, even after the blown no-call. They have themselves to blame for putting themselves in a situation where one blown call could tilt the outcome. Simple as that

  154. No game rests on one play. Are you going to review the entire game or just the one play you are focusing on? There were earlier plays that weren’t called that could have changed the entire game as to make the interference moot. Get over it. KC got jobbed on a baloney neutral zone infraction on a game where the goat tosses his third pick to ice it. The offside had nothing to do with the play. Refs regularly tell a player to move back but didn’t here. How is that fair? KC got screwed. Pats got their bacon saved by the refs…..again…leading to them getting another possible illegitimate SB.

  155. Saints fans…It’s time to grow up. Your team got nailed by a bad no-call. It’s not the first time that happened, and it won’t be the last. Stop clogging up the courts with frivolous lawsuits simply because your team lost a football game.

  156. Every receiver will tell you they’re interfered with/ held. Corners will tell receivers to stop being such pansies. Contact is allowed, and there’s some contact on EVERY SINGLE play, but how much? Likewise with holding. All linemen are holding to some extent. If EVERY play was reviewed for non-calls on PI or holding, there’d be a penalty on every play and fans would stop watching. The Rams got away with one, but so did the Saints on the non-call for facemasking.

  157. However, Article 2 states, “The Commissioner will not apply authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed.”

    Enough said…

  158. What Florio, PFT, and this NO lawyer forgot is the rest of Rule 17 Section 2.

    …it’s not just articles 1 & 3. Amazingly, there’s an “Article 2” between 1 and 3

    And it reads:

    Rule 17, Section 2
    ARTICLE 2. NO CLUB PROTESTS. The authority and measures provided for in this entire Section 2 do not constitute a protest machinery for NFL clubs to avail themselves of in the event a dispute arises over the result of a game. The investigation called for in this Section 2 will be conducted solely on the Commissioner’s initiative to review an act or occurrence that the Commissioner deems so extraordinary or unfair that the result of the game in question would be inequitable to one of the participating teams. THE COMMISSIONER WILL NOT APPLY AUTHORITY IN CASES OF COMPLAINTS BY CLUBS CONCERNING JUDGMENTAL ERRORS OR ROUTINE ERRORS OF OMISSION BY GAME OFFICIALS. GAMES INVOLVING SUCH COMPLAINTS WILL CONTINUE TO STAND AS COMPLETED.”

  159. The missed call was egregious. It totally determined the outcome of the game. The winning team goes to The SUPERBOWL. A penalty should’ve been called 100%. The end result changed the matchup for the SuperBowl & the result also affected Vegas in a MAJOR way I’m sure. That flag is thrown & Saints win this game, it’s likely a PUSH IN VEGAS as I got my bet in as Saints -3 and LOST. It’s possible the Saints get a TD on 1st or 2nd down as well. It’s possible Lutz misses the FG too, I understand. But the no-call cost the Saints a trip to the SuperBowl. I’d say at that point, with the penalty, 95% chance Saints win. And what else, likely Brees’ LAST SHOT to win one.

    How about this upcoming Monday Night we have a playoff game, much like MLB will do. RAMS @ SAINTS for 1 entire quarter. NOT OT, but just 1 full quarter & if need be then some OT. That’s pretty fair. Unprecedented but fair.

  160. Let’s go back and review every play of this game from every single angle to make sure this wasn’t the only blown play by the refs. Then you can add up all the non-calls and blown calls against both teams, and then what.

  161. chokedat says:

    January 22, 2019 at 3:17 pm

    However, Article 2 states, “The Commissioner will not apply authority in cases of complaints by clubs concerning judgmental errors or routine errors of omission by game officials. Games involving such complaints will continue to stand as completed.”

    Enough said…

    ________________________________________

    Dude, how dare you come on here and make complete and total sense???? 🙂

  162. This means Vikings can file lawsuit against the Saints for Bounty Gate as well and take away their trophy or go back replay the game. Let’s bring on Favre and all the retired players. Stupid Saints can file lawsuit all they want but they ain’t getting crap. Bunch of cry babies, especially Saints fans and Payton can kiss goodbye their bounty trophy.

  163. 1952vikefan says:
    January 22, 2019 at 2:22 pm
    STILL AINTS GOING TO THE SUPERBOWL HAHAHAHAHA!!!UNLESS YOU BUY A TICKET TO WATCH RAMS!! HAHAHA
    ===============================
    At least we have 1 trophy and the Vikings will never in a million years HAHAHA

  164. There have been many teams over the years that got screwed by poor officiating, but playing DEVILS ADVOCATE, why does that rule exist if there is no situation in which it would be enforced? Seriously, the NFL needs to make a statement to define what WOULD constitute applying this rule, and why the Saints’ complaint doesn’t apply here. The whole world saw the blatant pass interference call, and the whole world knows the Saints could have ran out the clock and kicked the winning field goal, which was likely the result since he hit the field goal from further back. Sour grapes for sure by Saints fans, but the non call did change the result of the game.

  165. Game is played and officiated by imperfect human beings. Lots of calls in both Championship games could be changed. Replaying a game due to a bad call will NEVER happen…nor should it! Move on and next time don’t let the game come down to one play!!!

  166. I think this pretty much closes the case on which team is the biggest bunch of crybabies loses in the NFL. OMG, what a bunch of snowflake players, coaches and fans. They need to change “Who Dat” to “BooHoo Dat”. Go home…

  167. This will take at least a month to get through the courts and appeals through next season. Too little, too late.

  168. Amazing it takes a judge to have to do Goodells job. Why has Trump been so quiet about all this with twitter? NFL must have made a deal behind the scenes to keep him quiet with all there nonsense they allow. He was giving them such bad publicity through out the whole kneeling thing for the anthem. Now not a peep from him about the crooked league.

  169. LOL. On what legal grounds?
    ——————————-

    It could be gross negligence in a civil fraud. That’s the only thing I can think of, and it is correct in this instance, but no court will open the Pandora’s box of fans suing for every missed call.

  170. “LOL. On what legal grounds”

    ——-

    I’m intrigued to see that too. The funniest part about it would be the league’s counterargument:

    “So you admit you screwed up.”

    “Yes.”

    “And you admit you rules allowing to do something about it.”

    “Yes.”

    “But you won’t do something about it.”

    “No, and you can’t force us to.”

    “Dammit.”

  171. The lawsuit cynically points to a rule which would ask for relief that could be met by replaying the game. Well, that essentially happened, a start from scratch overtime challenge wherein the Saints had the luxury of getting the ball first.

  172. I think this pretty much closes the case on which team is the biggest bunch of crybabies loses in the NFL. OMG, what a bunch of snowflake players, coaches and fans. They need to change “Who Dat” to “BooHoo Dat”. Go home…
    ================================
    Way to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. If it was your team, based on your crying about Saints fans crying, you’d be the first in line griping about the outcome. That’s what is wrong with today’s society, there is no empathy for anyone else but oneself.

  173. I am so tired of the Vikings fans complaining about the NFC Championship of NINE years ago. Since then, what’s your excuse for not being in the Super Bowl? Your whining is past its expiration date.

    The suit was not brought by the Saints, but by their ticket holders. It is their right to do so, whether you agree or not. This will 1) cause the NFL to make an official comment on the record and 2) help ensure that this issue is dealt with for future games.

    Don’t like it? Too bad.

  174. sb44champs says:
    January 22, 2019 at 4:05 pm
    I think this pretty much closes the case on which team is the biggest bunch of crybabies loses in the NFL. OMG, what a bunch of snowflake players, coaches and fans. They need to change “Who Dat” to “BooHoo Dat”. Go home…
    ================================
    Way to put yourself in someone else’s shoes. If it was your team, based on your crying about Saints fans crying, you’d be the first in line griping about the outcome. That’s what is wrong with today’s society, there is no empathy for anyone else but oneself.
    ++++
    Since when has empathy and sports fans commingled?

    Every team has been screwed from bad calls, or in this case, a bad no call. You, on this very site, have shown little to no empathy to other fans over the years when bad calls favoured the Saints.

    Buck up!

  175. Maybe I should file a lawsuit for Super Bowl 50 to be replayed. Because the Panthers clearly got screwed when the referees said that want a catch by Jerricho Cotchery.

    Instant karma for Payton being a jerk

  176. If the risk posed by “publicly-elected [Louisiana] judges” is as great as you suggest, the NFL will surely seek to remove the case to federal court under 28 U.S.C. § 1332 to avoid what it might perceive as a disadvantage.

  177. I am tired of hearing the better team didn’t win. The Rams on the road down 13-0 come back and beat the home team in OT. The Rams stopped the Saints with a Brees INT. And then the Rams get into FG position on the Saints defense. And kick a game winning FG. That doesn’t sound like the Saints are clearly the better team to me.
    And Saints fans leave your whistles at home you cheaters.

  178. If they’re gonna do that then play the game from the point where Goff had his facemask pulled on third down with no call. Rams would have hade the ball at the one yard line instead of kicking a field goal. That cost them four points. If the refs got that call right there would be no overtime and no controversy.

  179. There is no way the NFL could afford this legal precedent to happen. This was a very blatant situation but if it got litigated then the next one will be slightly less blatant, and the slippery slope would get to where every close game results in someone filing. I am completely offended by what I saw, I feel awful for the Saints. But with all that said I hope for the good of the sport this fizxles and dies. But also for the good of the sport I like that the NFL at least gets the shot accross their bow on the officiating.

  180. Stop crying about that puke Favre. He deserved everything he got in that game in 2019 and then some.

  181. FoX says:
    January 22, 2019 at 3:26 pm
    The missed call was egregious. It totally determined the outcome of the game. The winning team goes to The SUPERBOWL. A penalty should’ve been called 100%. The end result changed the matchup for the SuperBowl & the result also affected Vegas in a MAJOR way I’m sure. That flag is thrown & Saints win this game, it’s likely a PUSH IN VEGAS as I got my bet in as Saints -3 and LOST. It’s possible the Saints get a TD on 1st or 2nd down as well. It’s possible Lutz misses the FG too, I understand. But the no-call cost the Saints a trip to the SuperBowl. I’d say at that point, with the penalty, 95% chance Saints win. And what else, likely Brees’ LAST SHOT to win one.

    How about this upcoming Monday Night we have a playoff game, much like MLB will do. RAMS @ SAINTS for 1 entire quarter. NOT OT, but just 1 full quarter & if need be then some OT. That’s pretty fair. Unprecedented but fair.

    ——————————-
    I agree with you it was totally egregious, blatantly so. But I disagree that its a given the Saints would have won. And also, because football is a 60 minute game with lots if events and questionable calls AND non calls, any if which could alter the outcome of the game, the only way to be totally fair would be to review and remediate all of them. And then if the loser on the NFC side gets to ask for remediation on calls then should not the AFC loser be given the same privledge. And then their game too would then need a full review.

    The Saints got screwed out of a very strong chance to win that game, there is no question. It totally sucks, no question on that either. But if you think it through there is no fair way to remidiate the situation. The unfairness is on the table now its not going away, all you can do is shift around who eats it by being unfair to someone else instead.

  182. Bottom line, another Mueller investigation should be started. There had to be Russian collusion involved in this missed call!

    Personally, I’d investigate every Referee that was in this game!

  183. Boo-hoo on how football was played 10 years ago. If Williams hadn’t offered money to knock Favre out of the game, no one would’ve blinked. That was internal and not on-the field cheating. If the Saints paid the Vikings O-line off then you could howl on that forever. Myself, I’ve grown tired of the Saints living off of that Katrina goodwill and think they do get favorable calls down there, but there aren’t many games where multiple cameras are focused on the spot of the penalty where everyone at home and in the arena can see what blatantly happened. The ref who was standing not 3 feet away and looking directly at it, waved off the other ref and downright told him to go away as he was coming in the challenge his non-call. Hey, let’s not forget that sports betting is legal so this doesn’t have a good look at all for the NFL. The very reason they can go forward with a lawsuit is because people spend money with the confidence that the contest they are going to watch will be conducted fairly or at least close to it and to see what happened kind of strips that away.

  184. When Atlantic City refunds betters, as they did…it’s pretty bad. Anyone who doesn’t think what happened in New Orleans is incomprehensible isn’t truly a fan of the game. Process that for a moment…major betting organizations throughout one of the biggest gambling towns in the country REFUNDED betters because the organization wasn’t comfortable, in good faith, with the validity of the outcome of the game.

    Gonna tell me I’m off the mark? The NFL is a disgrace.

  185. We must agree that monitoring all of the field by the refs is impossible and there isn’t room to add more. Give the coaches a green flag (one per half) so they can challenge uncalled penalties. If you are wrong on the first half flag, you lose the second half flag. The unused first half flag does not carry over to the second half. I chose green by random. It could be paisley for all I care. If the challenge overturns the play, the refs will get a hard whipping and forced to chew aluminum foil.

  186. Wont have a chance of standing and replaying those final minutes! Imagine if the lawsuit prevailed, there would be lawsuits flying yearly for every game played Thursdays, Sundays and Monday nights!! Unreal!!!

  187. .
    and the brady helmet flag…
    every playoff has a brady helmet flag… NO CLUE why its even possible to be a flag.
    its only applies to brady. watch every single game and see who gets the call most of the time…

  188. @ luvkcchiefs says:

    “good for them, so tired of crap calls, get it right.”

    As much as it sucks to see a team lose after a call like that, this is football. Like Coach McVay pointed out, football is an imperfect game, but there is an simple solution to this – make these calls reviewable. Allow the coach to throw the challenge flag on a play like this, and overturn these horrible missed calls, or horribly made calls. Allow one more challenge per half, and let the coaches keep the refs on point. Also, the refs should be penalized if they make mistakes just like the players do.

    This lawsuit is going nowhere – the New Orleans lawyers are wasting their time, and there will be no do-over. Let’s not forget the Saints were up 13-0, and couldn’t close it out, and they put themselves in that position to NEED to score to go ahead with 2 mins left in regulation. Brees also threw a pick in OT. One bad call shouldn’t affect the outcome of a game, although this bad call was blatantly bad, and MAY have caused the game to be swayed, but a lawsuit will go nowhere on this.

    It was a terrible missed call, and it wasn’t the only bad call. Poor calls and missed calls happened the week before in the Rams/Dallas game as well, even though it wasn’t a blatantly missed call late in the game with the score tied like it was for the Saints/Rams game (although a blatant hold on Charlton was missed at the GL that would have backed up the Rams and prevented a rushing TD).

    Allow the refs mistakes to be reviewed. If they already review every scoring play for accuracy, then they should allow for coaches to review questionable calls/missed calls. Ideally, the refs should NEVER sway the outcome of the game, but this is what you get in Goodell’s NFL.

  189. Boo-Hoo Dat, HA HA, Too Funny….!!

    Speaking as an Eagles Fan; Payton and the ‘Aints have had a bug up their collective rears about my Birds since the NFC Championship game they missed out on last year (the one we actually won on our way to our Super Bowl win) and they couldn’t helped themselves from trolling us nonstop all year. They said they would have kicked out butts in that game (lol), ran up the score this year when we were the walking wounded, their RB’s are great comedians, and they think it would bother our team to blast our Super Bowl theme song out of their locker room after their Division Round Win last week when they barely beat us (Dreams and Nightmares). It’s all too funny. Childish. And funny. And Karma? She’s a real fickle mother. Sooo darn funny too!!!!

  190. If the refs were fixing the outcome of this game why on earth would they call PI on the Rams in OT and give New Orleans a first down on the 40?! You couldn’t ask for a better position.

  191. That will be the next rule in the NFL for officials. If you aren’t sure about a call, blow the whistle and throw a black and white flag for a “do-over”. The play gets wiped off the books and the teams replay the down as if it never happened.
    A do-over. Simple as that.

  192. The only reason why this is just short of absurd is because the Rams player ADMITTED he blew up Tommylee Lewis because he was flat out beat and out of position. He admitted to the foul. Because of that, it’s not really necessary for the refs to call the penalty. They missed it (cheating, rigged, whatever) but the PLAYER ADMITTED TO IT. I still think the lawsuit is kind of a joke, but the rules do state that a restart of the game, after taking into account the “missed” but admitted to penalties,is allowed under NFL rules.

  193. What now happens to the sorry Officials?
    NOTHING?

    SMELLS ROTTEN OR WORSE. Gambling and bribes are alive and rich.

  194. As silly as it may appear this is a great move. At least someone is attempting to get the NFL to reconsider how challenges are being able to be used. Hopefully it will force the NFL to do something regarding the refs as well. I think everyone on here can agree that at some point this season or last their team lost a game due to a blatant call.

  195. Just cancel the super bowl this season. In the record books state the 2018/2019 NFL season no super bowl awarded due to league wide wide spread game rigging.

  196. I don’t see this ever happening. A law suit being successful, but one thing I don’t think many people take into consideration. There isn’t one thing ,intentional or not, that a player can do during a game, that will affect any officials pay check. Besides blowing the call, and the defensive player admitting to PI, the players will lose money by not making it to the next round. This seems to be over looked. I have seen no one mention it in any previous articles..

  197. Interesting all of the comments regarding Rule 17. If the people writing them had actually read Rule 17 they would know that judgement calls by officials are specifically excluded from being reversed by the Commissioner and that he has no power to change the result for this

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