Tom Brady’s greatness, in the words of his fellow greats

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If the greatest players in NFL history voted on which one was the greatest of them all, it appears that Tom Brady would be selected.

As Brady heads to his ninth Super Bowl, several Hall of Famers are calling him the best player ever to play the game of football.

Here’s a look at some of the all-time greats calling Brady the all-time greatest, as compiled by NFL writer Dov Kleiman:

Hall of Fame defensive end Michael Strahan said, “I think Tom Brady is the greatest football player we’ve ever had.”

Hall of Fame left tackle Anthony Munoz had previously said Joe Montana, the quarterback who beat Munoz’s Bengals in two Super Bowls, was the best player ever. Now, Munoz says, “You’ve just got to look at what Brady’s done. . . . I’ve got to go Brady.”

Said Aaron Rodgers of Brady being the greatest of all time, “He’s got five championships. I think that ends most discussions.”

Brady’s former teammate, Hall of Fame receiver Randy Moss, said, “Tom Brady has my vote for the greatest to ever lace them up.”

Said wide receiver Reggie Wayne, “Everybody knows I played for the Indianapolis Colts. I played with one of the best quarterbacks of all time in Peyton Manning. It’s hard for me to say this, but it’s true . . . Tom Brady is the best of all time.”

Von Miller, who has faced Brady many times, said, “I want to sack every quarterback I play against. But do I want to sack Tom Brady any more than the other guys? Of course, I do. I like to compete against the best, and let’s face it: Tom Brady’s the G.O.A.T.

92 responses to “Tom Brady’s greatness, in the words of his fellow greats

  1. There you have, end of debate. These are the people that have more weight with their opinion than you nd I

  2. Brady fan here. I admit it. oOriginally from Florida. States a disappointment for football since “78.
    Yeah, Brady is arguably the best ever. Depends on which couch you sit on on any given Sunday.. Lots of talk about who’s the next Tom Brady. Lots of talk about Mahomes and justly so. Kid’s awesome. Hope he does better than Brady. I mean that. Who wants to be the MHOAT? Most hated of all time. Seems in this world, the more you accomplish the less credit you get.
    GO PATS!!

  3. This makes me want to vomit, but how can you really argue. Thank goodness for Tom Coughlin and Eli! Damn I wish that both the Seahawks and the Falcons had just run the ball!

  4. This is how great he is.

    In 2000 what would your reaction be to a guy playing in 9 Superbowls?

    There’s your answer as to why he’s the GOAT.

  5. It’s Funny Players around the league and Hall of Famers tip there hat to Brady on what he has accomplished but fans of Football call him a Cheater and system Quarterback.My opinion if your a fan of the Game you have appreciate what Brady is doing because you will never see this again never.

  6. People saying they hate Tom Brady just mystifies me. I don’t care, but it’s baffling. He’s the hardest working, humble, charitable, greatest teamate, never has a bad word about anyone, GOAT etc,etc. Aside from jealousy, what’s to hate? Maybe a little self analysis is in order.

  7. While I agree Brady is the best QB ever, I at least look at this with some perspective. Greatness is a byproduct of talent, team chemistry and opportunity… So while I feel Tom is the GOAT, I think there are others from the present and even the past that in the same situation with the Pats would have been the GOAT. This also means had Tom played for a team like the Lions or Browns his whole career we wouldn’t be saying this about him. This site goes way too far promoting Brady love – it’s like a drug to you guys. Simmer down a bit.

  8. On Sunday Brady will have played exactly half of the number of Super Bowls this century. Let that sink in.

  9. Dan Patrick to Justin Tuck: Who is the toughest QB you ever faced? Who would you say is the toughest?
    Tuck: That’s easy. Brady. We kept hitting him harder and harder and couldn’t believe he kept getting back up.

    “No matter how hard you hit him Brady will get back up and tell you good job good hit. He takes his hits like a real man”
    — Michael Bennett

    Brady’s toughness is criminally underrated. Those two guys are not Patriot fanboys- they ought to know what they are talking about. 🙂

  10. Hard to even see this as a discussion point. He is the G.O.A.T.
    Would have been fun to see Montana play with today’s rules though.

  11. What salty haters always overlook when comparing eras is that it was the same for all teams and QBs in those eras – and past great QBs had great HCs too. The HUGE difference for this era is Parity Rules. Dynasties like 9ers or Boys had no cap or FA, and even then lasted less than half as long as this team. And as other SB teams have found since the mid-90s, Parity Rules BITE a champ like no other team (on the staff side too). For example, only a 3rd of the Pats who beat the Hawks were still on the team that beat the Falcons just 2yrs later. Insane roster turnover.

  12. It’s Funny Players around the league and Hall of Famers tip there hat to Brady on what he has accomplished but fans of Football call him a Cheater and system Quarterback.My opinion if your a true fan of the Game you have appreciate what Brady is doing because you will never see this again never.

  13. This is a good one by MDS since only the defensive players know how to compare quarterbacks. Joey Bosa also said he’d never seen anyone like Brady and how quickly the ball is gone and how frustrating it is.

  14. George Paras says:
    February 2, 2019 at 8:29 am
    It’s Funny Players around the league and Hall of Famers tip there hat to Brady on what he has accomplished but fans of Football call him a Cheater and system Quarterback.My opinion if your a fan of the Game you have appreciate what Brady is doing because you will never see this again never.
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    No intelligent football fan in existence uses the “system” argument against Brady. The way the Patriots got here was a completely different offensive system than they used last year and even more different than the year before. I saw this in September – this is a totally different “system” featuring the best rushing attack the Patriots have had in over a decade.

    System QBs also don’t stick in the NFL.

    I think a lot of it comes from Brady being paired with Belichick all this time. Which of course is not a “system” it’s a coach. Belichick has won 0 titles as coach and had 0 playoff appearances without Brady as a starter. Brady is the right QB with the right mindset paired up with the right coach.

    Which is why there is no doubt whatsoever that a Manning or Rodgers wouldn’t win squat with Belichick. Their egos wouldn’t allow a guy like Belichick to coach them.

  15. And the uninformed who mock Brady’s short passing game… they’re called “hot reads” cupcakes. 🙂 And they’re always a good thing. Learn the game.

  16. As a kid, I watched Starr win frequent championships with the Packers. My own kids grew up watching Favre and Rodgers do incredible things. That being said, no quarterback has dominated post season like Brady. He and Coach B will be remembered for their greatness for a long long time.

  17. In the future, a best-selling movie will FOREVER PRESERVE the excellence of this Great Football Team.

    New England Patriots and Tom Brady:

    PRIOR to DEFLATEGATE: 5 AFC Championships WINS and 3 Super Bowl WINS.

    AFTER DEFLATEGATE: 4 AFC Championships WINS, 2 Super Bowl WINS, and a fourth Super Bowl this week.

  18. Doolin Danger says:
    February 2, 2019 at 8:40 am

    While I agree Brady is the best QB ever, I at least look at this with some perspective. Greatness is a byproduct of talent, team chemistry and opportunity… So while I feel Tom is the GOAT, I think there are others from the present and even the past that in the same situation with the Pats would have been the GOAT. This also means had Tom played for a team like the Lions or Browns his whole career we wouldn’t be saying this about him. This site goes way too far promoting Brady love – it’s like a drug to you guys. Simmer down a bit.

    atthemurph says:
    February 2, 2019 at 9:13 am

    Bart Starr had five in 7 years and if not for the stupidity of his 2 yr head coach would have had 6 in 8 years.

    End of discussion.
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    It’s always struck me as odd how when Montana was considered the best it was never mentioned that he would never have been as good on the Jets, or it was his team, not Joe himself, and nobody, I mean NOBODY was bringing up Otto Graham for crying out loud or Bart Star, with his 12 pass attempts per game, and wouldn’t even be a starter in today’s league- only when it comes to Brady.

    Not disparaging anyone, but c’mon Brady has made the SB something like 52% of his career and played in something like 16% of ALL Superbowls.

  19. Outside of Munoz, these are all contemporaries of Brady. Several of which whose own status as all time great players benefits from saying Brady. Including both Strahan and Miller whom defeated Brady in route to their Super Bowl wins.

    As we’ve heard on PFT and Dan Patrick’s Super Bowl morning shows this week. Dan Marino and Tony Dungy have other opinions on the subject. And noted the difference in today’s game with the no hitting of the quarterback in the head or at/below the knees. I’d add to that the military grade kevlar that players today all wear which eliminates many injuries. As well as having a mic in the helmet where today’s quarterbacks ear has his coaches helping to diagnose defenses (basically) up to the snap of the ball.

    The majority of those pointing to Brady’s 9th Super Bowl also fail to recognize the Jim Kelly’s and Fran Tarkenton’s (who held most major quarterback passing records when he retired) on their all time great lists. When Kelly and Tarkenton have played in 4 Super Bowls (in a row) and 3 Super Bowls (in 4 years). Those on team Brady who ignore Kelly and Tarkenton invalidate their opinions based on just getting there being of importance.

  20. 5 championships does not settle it.
    Otto Graham went to 10 championship game in a row
    Brady never … never dominated a Superbowl to where they won by more than one score
    Brady also never lost a game the same way
    There is so much more into these games to the point where he has erroneously won MVPs (White 3tds?)
    He is a Bart Starr wth a great coach who didn’t die early.

  21. Johnny Unitas was the best of his era

    Joe Montana the best if his

    Tom Brady the best of his

    Brady is incredible, mad respect

    But until you go back in time and change the rules for Qb’s that limited injuries and extended careers at a high level of play, then I’m not putting anyone above Montana. And I’m not putting Montana above Brady. People that know football know that Montana took absolute monster shots, just take 2 playoff games with the Giants for example. Jim Burt drove JM back on a late hit basically knocking JM unconscious on a frozen meadowlands turf. There are simply some things that today’s NFL QB doesn’t have to contend with & there is no way of comparing what other guys would have done. I truly admire Brady, most of all, because he is as driven today as he was when he was younger. The fact he’s carried that 6th round chip this whole time is astonishing, in a good way.

  22. nflfan12blog says:
    February 2, 2019 at 9:29 am

    It’s always struck me as odd how when Montana was considered the best it was never mentioned that he would never have been as good on the Jets, or it was his team, not Joe himself

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    That’s because those of who who actually saw Montana’s career in full witnessed an aging Joe taking KC to the AFC Championship game. And doing this after two career threatening injuries (one of which retired Terry Bradshaw) where doctors told Joe he would never play football again.

  23. Of course Brady’s the GOAT. Otto Graham lol. Please if you think that the guys who set records were better when the league was made up of slow white guys you’re either a hater or really only fooling yourself. No QB will prolly ever do this again and he may end up in another SB after this one yet.

  24. Win or lose his name is in the record books like peanut butter on toast. Funny thing is that back in the day, you didn’t hear fans of Dallas, Washington or NY crowing about how good Montana was although from time to time how lucky he was. But he was taken out not by choice but by injury. So As Harvey Dent said, you die a hero or live long enough to become the villain. Bottom line is all these bandwagon Montana supporters have become so for one primary reason, he ain’t Brady. And they are correct. I’ve seen him play, every chance I could. Great guy, great player but he ain’t no Tom Brady.

  25. I like watching good football. I don’t always like the results, but Brady has been fun to watch, even when he beats my team.

  26. sigbouncer says:
    February 2, 2019 at 9:33 am
    Outside of Munoz, these are all contemporaries of Brady. Several of which whose own status as all time great players benefits from saying Brady. Including both Strahan and Miller whom defeated Brady in route to their Super Bowl wins.

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    Good point. Also a good point that previous QB’s like Montana, Elway, Starr etc did not benefit from the “kid gloves” rules on QB’s that Brady does, which has clearly extended his career by several seasons, adding more rings to his resume. If (when) we get another legendary QB, I wouldn’t be surprised if he wins 10 rings and plays 25 years. Then all the old-head Brady fans will be whining how their guy is still the GOAT cuz he played in an era where they didn’t literally play flag football.

  27. He is prolly one of the best decision makers the position has ever seen and his as ability to scan the entire field and find the open target is amazing. I liked Marino as well, but he was a gun slinger and Brady has never been that. Brady cuts you up with tiny, precision razor cuts not big, long gashes. As for those saying he benefits from one of the best coaches of all time, yeah of course he does. Try naming a great QB who wasn’t paired with a great coach. They sort of go hand and hand.

  28. When will people learn. They don’t hate the pats for their success. It’s their inability to lose gracefully. When Tom wins, he stands on the field and has everyone bask in his greatness, which I’m cool with. It’s the losses and immediate running off the field that show he really is a sore loser… and no that’s not competitiveness. That’s my biggest issue with him. Otherwise what he’s done is incredible.

    And some of the fans are just idiots if you read their comments.

  29. Deric Gregory says:
    February 2, 2019 at 10:13 am
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    Good point. Also a good point that previous QB’s like Montana, Elway, Starr etc did not benefit from the “kid gloves” rules on QB’s that Brady does…
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    If the rules, which were primarily implemented so that Peyton Manning would stop being one and done, made things so easy for all QBs, then why did Peyton Manning manage to reach nine one and done post-seasons, and why have Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, etc. not had more post-season success? For that matter, why did Tony Romo have so little post-season success in spite of the fact that so many are now talking about how he knows everything as an announcer?

    This is a Patriots team that so many had written off in the pre-season, early in the season, late in the season, and at the start of the playoffs. And now they are the favorite probably because the people on this site who continue to belittle their accomplishments, are betting on the Patriots to win. They are the favorites not because the Pats are clearly the better team, on paper the Rams probably have more talent, the Pats are the favorites because Tom Brady and Bill Belichick are beloved by all who love, and hate, the Patriots.

    Just because Tom Brady has at times made the game look easy, does not mean it is easy, it just means that Tom Brady is without question the Greatest NFL Player of All-Time. Does not matter what happens tomorrow night, that fact remains a fact.

  30. “Otto Graham went to 10 championship game in a row”

    Hilarious

    Playing in a 10 team league/mostly 12 game seasons with no cap and talent drained from the league by WWII through half his career is not even vaguely close to what it takes to winning a Super Bowl.

    He was the greatest QB of his era, but those championships were nowhere near as hard to get to or win as a Super Bowl

  31. onebuffalove716 says:
    February 2, 2019 at 10:22 am
    When will people learn. They don’t hate the pats for their success. It’s their inability to lose gracefully. When Tom wins, he stands on the field and has everyone bask in his greatness, which I’m cool with. It’s the losses and immediate running off the field that show he really is a sore loser… and no that’s not competitiveness. That’s my biggest issue with him. Otherwise what he’s done is incredible.

    And some of the fans are just idiots if you read their comments

    I
    Completely wrong

    So what if he doesn’t do it on his he field after a lose for YOU to see.

    Foles last year after the SB “ Tom met me and my wife in the tunnel after the Sb to congratulate me”

    And many other players and coaches have said the same.

    There’s no rule that says it has to be done on the field.

  32. I’m a Saints fan and I love Drew Brees. That being said, what sets Brady apart is his ability to make the right throw in the most crucial of situations no matter who else is on the field. I don’t count Superbowls as part of the equation because that has to do with coaches, defense, and other players on offense. Brady is the best I’ve ever seen because he is rarely rattled, processes reads faster, and makes the right decisions at an uncanny rate.

  33. Brady haters are comical and sad. Now it’s gotten to the point that the haters just make stuff up. Otto Graham won 3 NFL Titles, three. He went 3-3 in NFL Totle games. The 4 years prior to those 6 years he played in the All American Football League, a start up league, the USFL of its day. There were 8 teams in this startup league including Graham’s Browns. This was NOT the NFL. This startup league lasted 4 years with Grahams Browns winning all 4 of their AAFL title games. The league then folded with 4 of the 8 teams being absorbed by the NFL. The Browns then went to 6 straight NFL title games and won 3. Otto Graham has 3 NFL titles to his name, Brady and Bart Starr have 5, which is the most

  34. Not only do I feel Brady the greatest ever he’s also the most undisputed of all major sports. Messi for soccer, Gretzky for hockey, MJ for basketball, Ruth for baseball. All have some grounds for dispute. For football this is completely indisputable.

  35. suncawy says:
    February 2, 2019 at 10:30 am
    If only he and the Patriots never cheated.

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    They didn’t. Thank you next.

    🙂

  36. Brady is the greatest of his era. Montana left the 49ers at 31. Give him another 10 years with that team and he’d have more Super Bowls too.

  37. If winning is everything, then B&B still have a way to go to be #1 GOAT.

    For all of you critics of Otto Graham and Paul Brown…
    + Otto Graham had an *NFL* career win percentage of .788; Tom Brady is #2 at .775.
    + Paul Brown established the fundamentals of modern football that Bill Belichick still uses. Where do you think those unusual formations came from, that he used to beat the Chiefs?

    For coaches with at least 100 games, Vince Lombardi has a win percentage of .740; John Madden is #2 at .731; Bill Belichick is #3 at .685.

    And please don’t pretend that players from past generation didn’t have what it takes — Jim Brown; Marion Motley; Dick night-train Lane; Gale Sayers…

  38. las0023 says:
    February 2, 2019 at 11:57 am
    Brady is the greatest of his era. Montana left the 49ers at 31. Give him another 10 years with that team and he’d have more Super Bowls too.

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    Why? Brady has made it to the SB 50% of the time. Joe didn’t. Why? And when pondering that question what evidence does that leave that “Joe would have more too”?

  39. i3urton31 says:
    February 2, 2019 at 11:14 am

    Not only do I feel Brady the greatest ever… MJ for basketball

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    Another example of Brady bias and inconsistency in rankings.

    MJ is largely thought the greatest because 6-0 undefeated in NBA finals ala Joe Montana 4-0 undefeated in Super Bowls. Brady backers who are true to their rankings generally cite Lebron with 9 NBA Championship appearances as the GOAT over Jordan because 9 times ala Brady.

  40. las0023 says: February 2, 2019 at 11:57 am
    “Brady is the greatest of his era. Montana left the 49ers at 31. Give him another 10 years with that team and he’d have more Super Bowls too.”

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    Well, the simple fact is that he did NOT play as long. Availability count for something. Montana’s extension is Steve Young and he won another SB but the two combined still could not go to as many Super Bowls as Brady. To his credit Montana did play well in KC to extend his career and he did not make it back to the big game.

  41. As big of a John Elway and Peyton Manning fan that I am, I must relent. Tom Brady is the best QB ever…

  42. For pure mathematical and logical reason, the number of SB wins trumps the number of appearances and the number of appearances trumps over no appearances. Brady has more SB wins than Montana (5 over 4). Brady has more appearances than Montana (9 over 4).

    In the Olympics, Brady would have 5 Gold medals and 3 Silver medals. Brady lost 4 conference championships so he could possibly have 4 or zero Bronze medals if NFL plays a third place game.

    Montana would have 4 Gold medal, zero Silver medal. Montana lost 3 conference championships so he could possibly either win 3 or zero bronze medals if there’s a third place game in the playoff.

    By metric of wins, Brady is better.

    You can still prefer and like Montana but he’s not better than Brady.

  43. He’s definitely the best player to ever get caught deflating balls and destroying evidence. He’s also the best player to play for a team that spies on opponents to try and steal their signals.

  44. las0023 says: February 2, 2019 at 11:57 am
    “Brady is the greatest of his era. Montana left the 49ers at 31. Give him another 10 years with that team and he’d have more Super Bowls too.”
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    Montana was with the 49ers through his 36th birthday, although he was not the starter the last couple of years due to injury and Young beating him out. Steve Young was only the winning QB for one SB start; so maybe Montana could have gotten them to that Super Bowl, and maybe not.

  45. LOL. No one “hates” Tom Brady, that’s a red herring. Seems like the nicest guy. Just because we think he’s only one of the GOATS doesn’t mean it’s anything personal…

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    tedmurph says:
    February 2, 2019 at 8:35 am
    People saying they hate Tom Brady just mystifies me. I don’t care, but it’s baffling. He’s the hardest working, humble, charitable, greatest teamate, never has a bad word about anyone, GOAT etc,etc. Aside from jealousy, what’s to hate? Maybe a little self analysis is in order.

  46. directdriver says:
    February 2, 2019 at 1:10 pm

    For pure mathematical and logical reason, the number of SB wins trumps the number of appearances and the number of appearances trumps over no appearances.

    In the Olympics, Brady would have 5 Gold medals and 3 Silver medals. Montana would have 4 Gold medal, zero Silver medal.

    By metric of wins, Brady is better.

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    Logical fallacies everywhere here. Let’s start with the NFL is not the Olympics. Give me one example of the losing Super Bowl team being all smiley and happy for finishing in 2nd place like a silver medalist at the Olympics.

    Next is Rules changes which clearly allow players today to play longer and be subject to less serious injuries. Then there is competition faced. Outside of Ray Lewis Baltimore Ravens teams (which handled Brady often). New England hasn’t faced legendary teams like the NY Giants, Washington Redskins and Chicago Bears who have 6 Super Bowl wins between them and a near undefeated season (’85 Bears) of pure dominance in Montana’s era.

    Lastly there is won-loss record and performance in playoffs-Super Bowls (aka big games). Montana is 4-0 in Super Bowls and has better statistics and qb ratings than Brady does. Montana’s stats go up in big games, Brady’s go down in big games from his reg season stats.

  47. And if Brady had the Belichick Giants, Gibbs Redskins and 1980s Chicago Bears in his conference all these years he wouldn’t have made it to all these Super Bowls either…

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    SWFLPC.INC says:
    February 2, 2019 at 12:07 pm
    las0023 says:
    February 2, 2019 at 11:57 am
    Brady is the greatest of his era. Montana left the 49ers at 31. Give him another 10 years with that team and he’d have more Super Bowls too.

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    Why? Brady has made it to the SB 50% of the time. Joe didn’t. Why? And when pondering that question what evidence does that leave that “Joe would have more too”?

  48. It’s funny they didn’t ask Jerry Rice. I bet he would have a hard time saying anyone other than himself is the best player ever, unless he said Jim Brown out of respect for his elders.

  49. Dennis Carson says:
    February 2, 2019 at 2:11 pm

    It’s funny they didn’t ask Jerry Rice. I bet he would have a hard time saying anyone other than himself is the best player ever, unless he said Jim Brown out of respect for his elders.

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    Rice has been asked and Rice said it was Montana. In fact Rice was once asked a couple days before the 49ers last Super Bowl win (with Steve Young as qb) who was the better quarterback of the two? Rice responded smiling and without any hesitation “Ask me after I’m done playing”.

    Montana had already won 2 Super Bowls without Rice and took KC to the AFC Championship with household names like Willie Davis, JJ Birden and Jonathan Hayes as his receiving corps.

  50. sigbouncer says:
    February 2, 2019 at 2:28 pm
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    Rice has been asked and Rice said it was Montana.
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    Actually Rice as recently as six months ago declared himself the greatest NFL player of all-time. Easy enough to google that by the way.

    Fair enough, he is certainly in the conversation as the 2nd best player of all-time (a distant second) behind Tom Brady.

  51. las0023 says:
    February 2, 2019 at 11:57 am
    Brady is the greatest of his era. Montana left the 49ers at 31. Give him another 10 years with that team and he’d have more Super Bowls too.
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    That’s equally as valid as me saying Brady would have gone 7-0 in Super Bowls in Montana’s day with a team like Montana had around him. 🙂

    Both are opinion without any basis in fact.

  52. Reminder: Montana never won a conference championship game without a top 8 scoring defense. Brady has.

    🙂

  53. These guys would know best, they played with or competed against Brady.

    With all due respect to Joe Montanan, well Montana made it look easy when he had guys like Rice, Taylor, Craig, Jones, and a steady line, Sapolu, McIntyre, Barton, Cross, etc.
    Brady has had a revolving door around him and at times played with a cobbled together line, an average receiving corps.

  54. whywerule says:
    February 2, 2019 at 3:00 pm

    sigbouncer says:
    February 2, 2019 at 2:28 pm
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    Rice has been asked and Rice said it was Montana.
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    Actually Rice as recently as six months ago declared himself the greatest NFL player of all-time.

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    Well then Rice has changed his tune from back when the NFL Network did their first GOAT when they asked him the question. This was before Rice knew the results where he finished 1st and Montana 3rd-4th.

  55. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 2, 2019 at 3:08 pm

    Reminder: Montana never won a conference championship game without a top 8 scoring defense. Brady has.

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    Very misleading. Brady has been helped by NE defense winning Super Bowls far more than Montana ever has. 49ers Super Bowl teams lead by Montana averaged 35 points a game in the Super Bowl.

    In Super Bowls Brady’s offense only had 20 points vs the Rams. 24 points vs the Eagles (despite 4 defensive turnovers). 14 points vs the Giants. 17 points vs the Giants.

    Brady has had several costly interceptions and fumbles in Super Bowls, blowing the game vs the Eagles last year with a fumble. Montana has never even had a turnover in a Super Bowl.

  56. GoodellMustGo says:
    February 2, 2019 at 3:08 pm
    Reminder: Montana never won a conference championship game without a top 8 scoring defense. Brady has.
    +++
    Funny. When anti Pats people chime in with things like this, Pats fans freak out. Yet, it’s okay for some Pat’s fans to do the same thing?

    Every Super Bowl winner can have a ‘yeah, but’ assigned to them.

    Don’t diminish the accomplishments of other people/teams to prop up others.

    I can do that to. Montana didn’t play in an era that favoured the offense, and protected QBs. So Montana had it tougher.

    See how easy that is.

  57. youbettercallsaul says:
    February 2, 2019 at 3:20 pm

    These guys would know best, they played with or competed against Brady.

    With all due respect to Joe Montanan, well Montana made it look easy when he had guys like Rice, Taylor, Craig, Jones, and a steady line, Sapolu, McIntyre, Barton, Cross, etc.
    Brady has had a revolving door around him and at times played with a cobbled together line, an average receiving corps.

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    Montana made it look easy without those guys (outside Cross who was there from the get). Montana didn’t even have many of those guys on his first two Super Bowl wins. And at the time those 49ers lineman weren’t required to hold their blocks in their WCO as long as the majority of teams. I bet you can’t name more than 1 (Clark) of Montana’s starting skill position players in his first Super Bowl.

  58. thun5der says:
    February 2, 2019 at 11:12 am
    Brady haters are comical and sad. Now it’s gotten to the point that the haters just make stuff up. Otto Graham won 3 NFL Titles, three. He went 3-3 in NFL Totle games. The 4 years prior to those 6 years he played in the All American Football League, a start up league, the USFL of its day. There were 8 teams in this startup league including Graham’s Browns. This was NOT the NFL.

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    1: In the AAFL Graham is a perfect 4-0 in Chqmpionships, mainly in massive lopsided wins because he was that good.

    2: The AAFL was a FAR CRY from “the USFL” of their time. The AAFL was the premier League during that era. Learn history before mouthing off.

    3: The AAFL only merged because of Otto Graham and Paul Browns sheer dominance. People stopped attending because as they used to say “the Browns winning the Championship is Ottomatic.”

    So yeah, the FACTS still remain. Otto Graham: 10 STRAIGHT Championships going 7-10. Revolutioned the game and West Coast Offense with Brown. No scandals. No game tape to study much less tapes of other teams Defensive play calls to study. No PED’s or Celebrity trainers. Properly inflated footballs every time. Just hard work, talent and the most success out of any QB at any point in history. Ever. The Babe freaking Ruth of pro football.The GOAT and it really, REALLY isn’t a discussion nor close.

  59. Christ people are bringing up Otto Graham. While we’re at it let’s bring Red Grange and Jim Thorpe into the discussion.

  60. sigbouncer says:
    February 2, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    Brady has had several costly interceptions and fumbles in Super Bowls, blowing the game vs the Eagles last year with a fumble. Montana has never even had a turnover in a Super Bowl.
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    He certainly turned the ball over plenty in the years he didn’t get his allstar teams to the Super Bowl. Interesting what you choose to ignore vs what you zero in on, it’s almost as though you lack objectivity. I’ve had the good fortune to watch the greats from the ’60’s to now and up until the 2014 season I still had Montana ahead of Brady in my personal pantheon. What Brady has done since, in an era specifically designed to defeat it, puts him in a separate stratosphere. What, for whatever reason, you refuse to see is he has transcended his sport. The Montana vs Brady argument has been left in the dust for all but the blindest. Your dislike of it doesn’t change the fact the Brady comparisons are now with Ruth, Jordan or Ali.

  61. Brady, Belichick and the Pats are absolute dynasties, however, their legacy will always be marred by multiple scandals. Brady v. Montana is a fun argument, but by sheer longevity and non-stop winning, I’m going with Brady as GOAT and I deeply dislike the the Pats primarily due to their fans blatant arrogance and disrespect of all other players and teams. No class. Here is hoping for an exciting SB with no injuries. Love them or hate them, Brady and Belichick are achieving success of epic proportions that likely won’t happen again. My only advice to Brady would be dont hang around too long like Muhammed Ali who became a mere shadow of his former self.

  62. stumpfor12 says:
    February 2, 2019 at 4:19 pm
    Christ people are bringing up Otto Graham. While we’re at it let’s bring Red Grange and Jim Thorpe into the discussion.
    +++
    Might as well implement that new rule to. The forward pass. Let’s see how these two teams do with that. It’ll freak people out nowadays.

  63. Brady’s first Super Bowl vs the Rams was won by their defense. Ty Law returned a Kurt Warner interception deep into Rams territory for 47 yards. Otis Smith returned another into Rams territory for 30 yards. Then there was the Ricky Proehl fumble. Despite this Brady’s offense could only muster 20 points.

    Brady’s third Super Bowl vs the Eagles was won by their defense. Tedi Bruschi and Rodney Harrison (2 picks) both had interceptions of Donovan McNabb deep in NE territory. And Eugene Wilson recovered a LJ Smith fumble in NE territory. And Brady turned the ball over in Philly territory fumbling. Despite the 4 Eagles turnovers, Brady’s offense could only manage 24 points.

    In the two Super Bowl losses to the Giants. Brady’s offenses were terrible producing just 14 points and 17 points. Brady took 5 sacks and fumbled in the first game. In the second game Brady threw a costly 4th quarter interception at the Giants 8 yard line. And we all saw Brady fumble last year vs the Eagles with the game on the line.

    So there is 5 Super Bowls out of his 8 where Brady either cost his team the game or did not play up to the level of an all time great.

    Brady will never be on Montana’s level. The GOAT can be easily summed up in one question. Which quarterback do you want with the Super Bowl on the line? There is only one correct answer. Joe Montana.

  64. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    February 2, 2019 at 4:32 pm

    or Ali.

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    No athlete, I repeat no athlete is or will ever be on same level as Muhammad Ali.

    Ali is a one of a kind that the likes of will never be seen again.

    You lose any credibility comparing a team sport athlete to an individual competitor.

  65. Tom Brady’s claim to fame in Super Bowls where he could be looked at as the man consist of an overtime win vs the Falcons 27th ranked defense. And a 3 point win over Jake Delhomme and the Panthers. That’s all folks.

    The win over Seattle was all Belichick in telling Butler to jump the route. Otherwise they very likely lose that game. Brady’s performances (or lack of) in the other 5 Super Bowls have been addressed above.

  66. sigbouncer says:
    February 2, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    You lose any credibility comparing a team sport athlete to an individual competitor.
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    The comparison is purely in terms of the way they generationally transcended their sport. The myopia exhibited by your inability to understand that matches the level of it you show in boiling your comparison down to Super Bowls while ignoring the number of times Montana failed earlier in the playoffs. The lack of credibility in your argument makes you unfit to judge anyone else’s.

  67. No, not Brady. I’m loathe to call anyone the GOAT, because the game has changed so much and it’s impossible to compare apples and oranges. But, speaking about Brady, I can’t get rid of the gnawing suspicion that Brady’s success is in large part due to Belichick’s system and, if Brady QB’d some other decently-talented team with a decent head coach, he wouldn’t have anywhere near the success he’s had in New England.

  68. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    February 2, 2019 at 5:50 pm

    sigbouncer says:
    February 2, 2019 at 5:11 pm

    You lose any credibility comparing a team sport athlete to an individual competitor.
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    The comparison is purely in terms of the way they generationally transcended their sport.

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    You’re fully aware that you stepped into a discussion about the GOAT. Don’t try and move the goal posts now and claim victory. Which is not to say you are correct in either case because you’re not.

    And Montana’s competition vs legendary teams dwarfs Brady’s and has already been discussed here.

  69. Guam will capsize! says:
    February 2, 2019 at 7:07 pm

    If you think 4 beats 5 I’ve got this investment……

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    And if you think a 5-3 record = greatness over a 4-0 record then you have very low standards…

  70. The truly greatest thing of all is how most people erroneously attribute a football TEAM victory with quarterback individual achievement, and have no capacity to separate the two. Tom Brady career —
    passer rating #3, behind Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson;
    winning percentage #2, behind Otto Graham.

    As Marshawn Lynch said while walking off the field following the Super Blunder, “football is a team sport.”

    GOAT athletes… look to decathalon, not football.
    I bet Caitlyn Jenner could still outscore Tom Brady in the decathalon.

    BTW, Jim Thorpe won the Olympic decathlon, and he was an outstanding football player. So that plainly puts him in the mix for GOAT football individual athlete.

    Bullet Bob Hays is the only person to have both an Olympic gold medal and a super bowl ring.

  71. pbdisciple says

    Win this year and next and he can tie Otto Grahams record.

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    Yes he can. Graham only played in a 12 team league with 12 game seasons with one playoff game for the championship. I love Otto Graham but Brady has achieved more with stiffer competition in 16 game seasons with 3 playoff games making that he plays 19 games to win verses Grahams 13 games. GOAT goes to Brady win or lose but he will win.

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