MVP voting has a surprise twist

AP

When reading our blurb on the NFL MVP award last night, I did a double take. But the numbers listed were accurate, even though they point to a weird sort of King Solomonesque compromise in which multiple voters obviously engaged.

With Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes winning the MVP award over Saints quarterback Drew Brees by a vote of 41-9 but with Mahomes previously becoming the All-Pro quarterback over Brees by a vote of 45-5, at least four voters who picked Mahomes over Brees as the best quarterback in the league picked Brees over Mahomes as the MVP.

In past years, the compromise has happened with some voters supporting one quarterback as MVP and the other as offensive player of the year. This year, at least four voters who thought that Mahomes was the best quarterback thought Brees was the MVP. (It could have been more than four, if some of the people who voted for Mahomes as MVP had voted for Brees as the best quarterback.)

Given that the same 50 voters for the All-Pro team vote for the MVP and given that all votes are due within three days after the end of the regular season, these selections are as apples-to-apples as they can be. Four of the 50 voters on the AP panel actually believed Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league, and that Brees is nevertheless the MVP.

Maybe they’ll identify who they are and explain their reasoning. Whatever the explanation, it likely won’t be an easy one to make. And it could be even harder to understand.

29 responses to “MVP voting has a surprise twist

  1. They likely didn’t think Brees was the MVP…. More likely, they wanted him to get an MVP award for his lifetime of great play.

  2. This isn’t hard to understand. The Chiefs were already a good team last year. The Saints were horrible. 4 people thought Brees was more valuable to his team than Mahomes was.

  3. Four of the 50 voters on the AP panel actually believed Mahomes is the best quarterback in the league, and that Brees is nevertheless the MVP.

    ————————————————–

    I have always interpreted an MVP award to go to the player whose team would be the most worse off if he were not playing. So basically for MVP you look at the best teams in the league. And give opinion to which team would have the biggest drop off if the MVP/player was not playing for them.

    In the Drew Brees Saints era the Saints have never won without Brees. While Andy Reid has show his system to be very quarterback friendly no matter who is running it. McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith and to a lessor extent AJ Feely, Jeff Garcia, Nick Foles and Chase Daniels have all won as Reid starters.

    So maybe these voters view Mahommes as the better quarterback… but Brees as the guy whose team can least afford to lose.

  4. Strength Of Schedule

    RANK

    TEAM

    PCT.*

    1 Green Bay Packers .539
    T-2 New Orleans Saints .535
    T-2 Detroit Lions .535
    4 Tampa Bay Buccaneers .531
    T-5 Cleveland Browns .523
    T-5 Seattle Seahawks .523
    T-5 Los Angeles Rams .523
    T-8 Chicago Bears .520
    T-8 Minnesota Vikings .520
    T-8 New York Giants .520
    T-8 Arizona Cardinals .520
    12 Carolina Panthers .512
    13 Atlanta Falcons .508
    14 Washington Redskins .504
    T-15 San Francisco 49ers .500
    T-15 Miami Dolphins .500
    T-15 Dallas Cowboys .500
    18 Buffalo Bills .496
    T-19 Philadelphia Eagles .492
    T-19 Kansas City Chiefs .492

    Not to mention the amount of weapons Maholmes has on that high powered offensive team. They also were in shootouts, the Saints were able to be a more balanced team. This really wasn’t as close as many wanted to believe it was, Brees set an all-time completion record. Maholmes threw for 50 TD’S, go watch all 50, watch the plays those guys made to make that happen. Maholmes is a really good QB, will be for a long time, he just wasn’t the real MVP this year. Bress had MT, Kamara out of the backfield…that’s it. The NFL is now more about high entertainment and big money market.

  5. Meanwhile, Tom Brady – who apparently didn’t receive a single vote for either category – is going to his ninth Super Bowl, his THIRD STRAIGHT, while Mahomes and Brees will both be watching from their couches.

    You tell ME who’s more valuable or the best QB this year.

    All he does is win

  6. sigbouncer says:
    February 3, 2019 at 9:45 am

    In the Drew Brees Saints era the Saints have never won without Brees. While Andy Reid has show his system to be very quarterback friendly no matter who is running it. McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith and to a lessor extent AJ Feely, Jeff Garcia, Nick Foles and Chase Daniels have all won as Reid starters.
    _____________________________________

    Yes and no. First no QB has played at an MVP level under Reid. He most certainly gets the most out of his QBs, but PM was Tom Brady Payton Manning good in his redshirt rookie year. That’s exceptional even for Reid.

    Brees’ numbers this year were nearly the same as the 3 years the Saints went 7-9 in a row. His play keeps them out of top 3 draft picks but having a decent defense and Alvin Kamara is what’s made them competitive the last two years.

  7. Tom is the best quarterback in the history of the game…. but Bill is the best coach is also the best. With a different coach, would the Pats have even made the playoffs?

  8. Yet again Brady goes to the Super Bowl (his 9th in 17 seasons as starter) while the MVP goes to a QB he outperformed/outsmarted in a big game on the day (twice this year).

  9. This merely demonstrates incompetence or the individual voters’ personal statement. There is likely some bogus rationalization for their voting conflict. Stop hemming and hawing and just answer the single question posed by each category. If a QB is voted MVP then a different QB cannot be the OPY. It should be the same guy if the MVP is an offense guy except in rare circumstances where a RB or WR does something extraordinary but isn’t really a candidate for league MVP (WR or RB gains 2000+ yards on a team that is not strong)

  10. bam5239 says:
    February 3, 2019 at 10:06 am

    sigbouncer says:
    February 3, 2019 at 9:45 am

    In the Drew Brees Saints era the Saints have never won without Brees. While Andy Reid has show his system to be very quarterback friendly no matter who is running it. McNabb, Vick, Alex Smith and to a lessor extent AJ Feely, Jeff Garcia, Nick Foles and Chase Daniels have all won as Reid starters.
    _____________________________________

    Yes and no. First no QB has played at an MVP level under Reid.

    —————————————–

    I’d disagree with that.

    In 2010 under Reid Vick started 11 games and had over 3000 yards passing, nearly 700 rushing yards, 30 touchdowns and just 6 interceptions.

    In 2004 under Reid McNabb started 15 games and had nearly 3900 yards passing, over 200 rushing yards, 34 touchdowns and just 8 interceptions.

  11. I can think of a lot of reasonable explanations. Maybe their perception of off-the-field / locker room leadership for MVP vs. pure on-field performance for All-Pro. Maybe they were genuinely undecided so they cast their vote for one guy for MVP and the other guy for All-Pro. Maybe they felt like the Saints wouldn’t be much without Brees while they know the Chiefs were pretty similar, only slightly worse, with Alex Smith.

  12. One was Albert Breer. He voted Brees MVP in one of the all time laziest takes. He posted on twitter

  13. Most Valuable doesn’t mean best. I can see how four voters thought Brees might be more valuable to the Saints, but personally I think Mahomes was probably more valuable considering the Chiefs poor defense.

  14. I always believed All-Pro voting to be more technical in nature and how had the best season’s scientifically, and the MVP includes more intangibles like effect on the game, their team, etc.

    Maybe those voters define it like that?

  15. The MVP award is nearly always won by the quarterback of the team with the best record, absent an extraordinary achievement by someone else, and in such a case that QB still gets votes.

    The Saints had the best record. Mahomes 5,000/50 was pretty extraordinary. There isn’t any more to it than that.

    By the way, we don’t know that the 5 people who voted for Brees as All Pro also voted for him for MVP. The 50 voters aren’t necessarily the best and the brightest of the football world. Anything is possible.

  16. Never understood why this is so difficult to understand. There’s a difference between best player and most valuable. Mahomes can have the better year while Brees is still more valuable to his team. Easy fix. Add a most outstanding player award.

  17. MVP award should always go to the player who is the most valuable to his team for that year. It not about a lifetime of work. If that was the case, it would always be between Brees and Brady. I think a case can be made for both Mahomes and Brees for this year. What would either team have been with their play at the QB position. Neither team would have been as good. Brees is the ultimate QB going about his business and doing what is necessary for the Saints to win. Mahomes case is different. He’s the more flashy and trendy of the two. In the end, in the mind of voters, the flashy approach of Mahomes won of the business approach of Brees. I was fine with either.

  18. Y’all can debate the issues. But it’s undeniable that this year the Chiefs were pure entertainment and the most fun team to watch with Patrick Mahomes under center.

  19. All Mahomes did was throw the ball deep to WIDE OPEN receivers. If anyone should win the MVP award, it should be the receivers who got so open.

  20. Saquon was exceptional the entire season. Baker was exceptional once he started playing. I had no problem with this vote, and was glad Vander Esch wasn’t in the finalists for the same reason. The hype for Leighton was definitely backed up by his play on the field (and he was an awesome idp fantasy football pickup for me) but I couldn’t see him getting it over the three finalists. He may have DPOY in his future though, as will Mayfield get his accolades.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!