Julian Edelman isn’t a Hall of Famer, yet

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The misguided takes began to flow not long after the MVP of Super Bowl LIII was named. Julian Edelman . . . Hall of Famer?

No. No. And no.

Look, Edelman has played a key role in three Super Bowl championships for the Patriots. But the key word is role. He’s a role player, a slot receiver who has a specific skill set that has a specific impact that hasn’t translated into the kind of production and career accomplishments that would transcend the limited part he plays in the Patriots’ success.

Yes, it’s an important role. But if he wasn’t doing it, someone else would be.

Edelman is the guy who benefits from a scheme that takes full advantage of the slot receiver, creating mismatches and openings and putting him in the right place at the right time when the right quarterback throws the right pass. Again, Edelman’s role has been critical to the team’s success. But it’s not the kind of thing that vaults him toward the game’s immortals, at least not based on his current career achievements.

Consider his statistics. In 10 NFL seasons, he has two 1,000-yard receiving performances. He has 499 regular-season catches and 5,390 regular-season receiving yards. That puts him in a tie for 148th in all-time receptions and at 248 in all-time receiving yards. With only 30 receiving touchdowns, he’s well out of the top 250.

Of course, Edelman has performed in the postseason, currently sitting second all-time in receptions and receiving yardage. And he has earned three Super Bowl rings. While those realities may have been enough to secure a spot in Canton for Lynn Swann, there are too many receivers who have done too much more during the week-in, week-out grind to elevate Edelman to a spot in Canton based on his playoff play.

The Super Bowl MVP award helps, but plenty of Super Bowl MVPs will never see the Hall of Fame without a ticket for admission. (If you don’t believe me, Google the list.) And that’s not to say Edelman can’t get there. If he somehow wins the Super Bowl MVP award again next year, it becomes a lot harder to argue against him.

For now, though, to even mention his name in connection with induction reflects the kind of short-sighted, moment-prisoner thinking that would make the Hall of Fame into the Hall of Hey Where Are We Gonna Put All These Busts?

Then there’s the PED wrinkle. While football fans seem to be far more tolerant of PED use than baseball fans, Edelman’s four-game suspension to start the 2018 season remains a permanent stain on his record, one that could turn a borderline case into a no.

For now, the case isn’t even borderline. It’s a no, with Edelman having the chance to do more things that could maybe nudge him toward the fringes of consideration. One way to do it would be to catch a lot more passes and gain a lot more yards from Week One through Week 17.

185 responses to “Julian Edelman isn’t a Hall of Famer, yet

  1. “Edelman’s four-game suspension to start the 2018 season remains a permanent stain on his record, one that could turn a borderline case into a no.”

    If he were a baseball player, he would not be allowed to play in the playoffs. NFL should have the same policy has MLB does.

  2. He’s so far out of contention, it’s ludicrous to even be having the discussion.

    Hines Ward: 1,088 catches, 13,624 yards, 95 TDs, 1 SB MVP (in a different era on a run first team the majority of his career)

    Edelman: 614 catches, 6,802 yards, 35 TDs and 1 SB MVP.

    Hines won’t sniff the HOF, it’s insane to think Edelman will.

  3. Disagree about the PED thing being a disqualifier. We still don’t know exactly what he took and what triggered the positive test. And there are plenty of PED users in the Hall.

  4. Lets see if he can go somewhere without Tom Brady throwing to him and Gronk on the outside and do his thing. Guarnteed he can’t.

  5. Everyone compares him to other wide receivers when the slot position wasn’t prevelant.

    Edelman is one of the first of his kind, so the comparisons will always fall short. But compare him to other slot guys….can anyone name someone better?

  6. Not a HOF I agree. However if you are excluding players for PED’s you are going to have to remove ALOT of players already inducted. Probably most of those that played in the 60’s 70’s and 80’s.

  7. As the all time leader in punt return average in nfl history, his willingness to convert from qb to receiver, play some nickel, and then emerge as a top 3 afc for the past 5 or so years, with 3 rings, while being seen as possibly more important than Gronk to the team, yes, he is a hall of famer aftee that sb mvp performance.

    Enough disparaging Pats greats.

    And, last time: He lines up at the Z and is not just a slot WR like Welker was.

    Learn NFL history and the sport before more disrespect is dished out.

    If Lynn Swann is in the HOF, the Edelman is.

  8. keeppounding23 says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:19 pm
    He is still early in his career. If he keeps up his stats (and team achievements aka his team continues to go deep into the playoffs), he should be a shoe-in HOF.
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    Edelman is 32 and headed into his 10th season, by any reasonable measure he is not ‘early in his career.’ He’s a baller and the kind of player you want on your team but hate on teh other guy’s squad. Pats HoF heck yeah, NFL hoF is going to take a spectacular career home stretch.

  9. “keeppounding23 says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:19 pm
    He is still early in his career. If he keeps up his stats (and team achievements aka his team continues to go deep into the playoffs), he should be a shoe-in HOF.”

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    EARLY in his career? He was drafted in 2009. It’s not like WRs play for 30 years.

  10. Neither were Joe Namath, Terrell Davis, Tony Dungy or Jerome Bettiis.
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    The career of T. Davis was cut short by injury just like that of Gale Sayers (another Hall of Famer). Davis led the league in career playoff rushing touch downs. He was also a NFL MVP and SB MVP. He is only one of 4 rbs to have rushed for over 2,000 yds in a single season. He is a bonafide Hall of Famer. I find it interesting and amusing that all the fanboys here believe they know more than the 48 Hall of Fame voters who are carefully selected by the League and have devoted their career to the game.. But of course said fanboys also know more about football than any GM, Head Coach or player that have also devoted years of hard work to their profession unlike the fanboys who continue to be a source of great self embarrassment. Carry on boys and may some day your extensive expertise and indulgence allow you to be hired by the NFL in some capacity.

  11. Playoff game stat padding won’t get you to the HOF. Currently JE is 246th in career yardage for WR’s. Great slot receiver who has benefitted from the NE system and Brady, yes. Tough as nails, yes. You want him on your team, yes. But HOF, for receivers, is more than just playoff wins.

  12. Bot arguing he a HOF player, but to say he is a role player is exclusionary is misguided.

    Aren’t all players “role players”? A punter, a wide receiver, a quarterback. Role is to punt, catch, or throw. Edelman excels at his role. Got to hand it to him. He has made the most of his skills in his role, however it may be defined.

  13. Who has secured a greater spot in the annals of NFL lore, putting his stamp on legendary NFL games with clutch performances that made him a household recognizable name even amongst people who dont follow the NFL closely: Julian Edelman, or some “Hall Of Fame” stats guy like Brandon Marshall or Jimmy Smith toiling away in obscurity in meaningless games in Jacksonville?
    The Hall is for people who have shaped the NFL and left their indelible mark on it, and Edelmam has.

  14. He’s so far out of contention, it’s ludicrous to even be having the discussion. Hines Ward: 1,088 catches, 13,624 yards, 95 TDs, 1 SB MVP (in a different era on a run first team the majority of his career)

    Edelman: 614 catches, 6,802 yards, 35 TDs and 1 SB MVP.

    Hines won’t sniff the HOF, it’s insane to think Edelman will.
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    Lynn Swann 336 career receptions for 5,462 yards and 51 TD’s. You must really be upset that Hines ain’t getting his from the Hall, but Swann, with his weak-azz stats was able to get back-doored in by the Rooney’s. In fact, it’s “ludicrous” he even got in the Hall with those numbers.

  15. Have to consider he’s a great punt returner too and played defense one season. Intangibles are all there. Biggest plays in the biggest games. Needs maybe 3 more seasons of close to 100 catches 1000 yards to get true consideration. Not impossible.

    I don’t think the suspension will weigh into it much.

  16. Making plays in big moments puts you in the Hall.
    Larry Brown zone INTs and Tim Smith 202 yards one time doesn’t count.
    Edelman has literally been personally responsible for 3 SB victories. Brady looks for and goes to him in the clutch.
    He made a circus catch against the Falcons, that if it hits the ground they likely lose.
    He abused Seattle for a go ahead touchdown.
    Numerous third down catches against Jacksonville ( although multiple phantom and shaky calls went the Pats way ), abuse of the Chiefs in frigid weather on the road, and domination in the Rams game mean is a HOFer.

    Marino, Manning, and other stat compilers have nothing on cold blooded killers like Edelman and Gronk.

    I despise the Patriots, but let’s not embarrass ourselves and not see Edelman has more of an impact than Swann and Namath, and just cause he’s little and plays for peanuts doesn’t mean his will didn’t break many playoff teams.

    He is a Hall of Farmer, and so is Gronkowski.

  17. skawh says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:47 pm
    Playoff game stat padding won’t get you to the HOF. Currently JE is 246th in career yardage for WR’s. Great slot receiver who has benefitted from the NE system and Brady, yes. Tough as nails, yes. You want him on your team, yes. But HOF, for receivers, is more than just playoff wins.

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    It’s not stat padding that makes people think he’s starting to deserve consideration. It’s the plays he’s made. He was dominant in this game. Against Atl he made maybe the first or second greatest catch all time. Against Seattle he was great. He threw a TD pass against Baltimore.

    He’s clutch.

    He needs the regular season stats to come way up, but he still has maybe 3-4 years to pull it off.

  18. Can we please stop this Edelman HOF talk. He is a 10 year vet and has no case for the HOF, literally none. He is not a top player at his position, not at any point of his career. He’s been a great role player in an incredible system.
    He was the SB MVP of one of the worst offensive SB performances in decades. Yes he had 10 catches for 141 yards, but he didn’t do anything spectacular. No one did. So he got it based on the fact that he had 10 receptions for 141 yards.
    Stop it. This is the worst case of recency bias I’ve seen in quite some time. It’s a more logical debate to talk about whether Pat Mahomes is the next Brady than it is to talk about Edelman’s HOF candidacy.

  19. “He is still early in his career. If he keeps up his stats (and team achievements aka his team continues to go deep into the playoffs), he should be a shoe-in HOF.”

    So I’m just going to make one point that will show how little you know about Edelman and why that is a simple basis for ignoring your whole comment.
    He is 32 years old, a 10 year vet. He is not early in his career. He’s nearing the end of it. The fact that you are basing his candidacy, verbatim, on “team achievements” propelling him is nearly as ludicrous.

  20. firerogergoodellnow says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:10 pm
    “Edelman’s four-game suspension to start the 2018 season remains a permanent stain on his record, one that could turn a borderline case into a no.”

    If he were a baseball player, he would not be allowed to play in the playoffs. NFL should have the same policy has MLB does.
    ____________

    Could you imagine if Ryan Braun was World Series MVP in the same season he was suspended?

  21. “Lynn Swann 336 career receptions for 5,462 yards and 51 TD’s. You must really be upset that Hines ain’t getting his from the Hall, but Swann, with his weak-azz stats was able to get back-doored in by the Rooney’s. In fact, it’s “ludicrous” he even got in the Hall with those numbers.”

    Hines isn’t a HOFer. But to compare receiving stats from the 70s to now is a bit illogical, don’t you think?
    Brady and Gronk are HOFers. Bill is a HOFer, Logan Mankins is a HOFer. Ty Law getting in was a joke. I’m sure there will be a couple other players from the Pats dynasty that will get in because of the SBs and not necessarily their own achievements. Edelman isn’t one of them. He is a system, slot WR. Great player, incredible attitude and mentality – but that doesn’t get you into the HOF. You have to be at the top of your position. He has never been considered that. Just a really great piece.

  22. I love Jules and he is the antithesis of a Hall-of Famer. Hall-of -Famers Are stat machines like Calvin Johnson, T.O., OBJ, Antonio Brown. Physically gifted studs with big fantasy numbers, Me attitudes and no Super Bowk rings. I would much rather have Jules on my team, because I prefer winning Super Bowls to winning my fantasy league. But the Hall? Leave that for the divas.

  23. One has the impression that the HOF is an egalitarian institution where all the wusses can get introduced to as long as the have some stats similar to those of the true greats. Edelman is a true great. There are many inductees who had been unfortunate to play on crappy teams so we’ll never know how they would perform on the biggest stage. But there are players who did have the opportunity to showcase their talent in big games yet they crapped their pants more than once (like LaDainian one of the biggest wusses I ever saw playing). Now Edelman is far more deserving than these front-runner nobodies you would never want on your team when it comes to the biggest game.

  24. Was it really necessary to write this article? I suppose as a lawyer you have to argue something just to prove your worthiness for your job. Say, Edelman was a lock for the HOF, why would one write an article now when he is still an active player. This is a ridiculous waste. I’m ashamed I’m even commenting on it.

  25. There are dozens of less impactful players already in the HOF, so Florio’s assertion is demonstrably false.

  26. the fact that almost yearly they talk about the AMISH KID(eli)and his HOF credentials should put Edelman in.at least he PLAYS FOOTBALL and absorbs contact and doesn’t wince and cowher when about to get hit.EDELMAN should be Canton bound.

  27. While reaching the Hall of Fame is a benchmark in a players career, the experience of visiting it is underwhelming to say the least. I’m a diehard fan but the experience of seeing the Mecca of Pro football history is so basically boring I felt I wasted the $26 price of admission. The video exhibits are the same NFL film stuff I’ve seen dozens of times. Busts that hardly look like the player. You get to have your picture taken wearing a NFL size set of shoulder pads, best interactive activity of the few offerd. Overpriced souvenirs. I enjoyed the William McKinley museum more in Canton. That’s sad.

  28. “amchez11 says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:21 pm
    Everyone compares him to other wide receivers when the slot position wasn’t prevelant.

    Edelman is one of the first of his kind, so the comparisons will always fall short. But compare him to other slot guys….can anyone name someone better?”

    Charlie Joiner. The original slot receiver. Million times better.

    Little hint for Pats fans. Football started before 2000.

  29. the parameters of what makes a HOfer seems to be different in most peoples minds- to me, stats should not be the sole determining factor, thought they certainly are important- the hardest thing is to try and take those intangible qualities into acct.- how do yyou measure heart? desire? will?much like the draft those are qualities that tend to be difficult to quantify. What about impact on the sport, and “heroics”? I think Swann 100% deserves his yellow jacket, he was spectacular in big games, yeah his numbers weren’t the greatest compared to todays game, but when he played it was also “real” football and there were fewer games. It’s impossible to come up with a formula that says deserving/undeserving is absolute. To me JE11s intangibles should give him consideration, he is an ultimate competitor, he is huge in the biggest games on the biggest stages, clutch beyond belief, he has impacted the game more than welker ever did- just my opinion, but I think there are some valid points here

  30. amchez11 says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    Everyone compares him to other wide receivers when the slot position wasn’t prevelant.

    Edelman is one of the first of his kind, so the comparisons will always fall short. But compare him to other slot guys….can anyone name someone better?
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    Andre Reed?

  31. Let’s put Edelman in the Super Bowl Hall of Fame. The NFL Hall of Fame is something different and if he wants to go there he will have to buy a ticket like everyone else.

    With that said Lynn Swann should not be in the Hall of Fame either.

  32. It depends, is the hall of fame for stats or is it for big plays and games in clutch moments? I think the hall has shown its for who has connections and stats so no way he gets in without at least a few more insane seasons with clutch times. but how many guys have done what he has under the brightest lights? thats why he gets consideration

  33. isleptwithoj says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:42 pm
    … I find it interesting and amusing that all the fanboys here believe they know more than the 48 Hall of Fame voters who are carefully selected by the League and have devoted their career to the game …
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    One of those 48 printed false PSI readings because of his quid pro quo arrangement with the NFL League Office. Another of the 48 devotees is a convicted plagiarist who once attacked an old sportswriter in a wheelchair. I don’t know the other 46, but I expect much fun can be had looking into their backgrounds.

    As to Mr Edelman’s candidacy: if you’re worried about hall overcrowding, just throw out some of the bums (yeah, talkin’ you, Joe Willie). Don’t forget, Edelman is also an accomplished punt returner and was versatile enough to play DB when called upon (during the season!) — Don’t remember those other receivers doing those things. Fine players, all of them, but I expect they were more about their “touches” than anything else.

  34. No-way, no-how is Edelman a Hall of Famer. He was fortunate to even get the MVP award in that Superbowl and was essentially the default pick due to the fact that the game had no real offensive standouts. They could have just as easily given it to Sony Michel without that being called an unjust decision. Edelman didn’t make any amazing plays during the game and simply did the job of a slot guy and caught 10 of the 12 relatively short balls thrown his way while also fair catching a few punts.

    Edelman doesn’t generally do anything that defenses lose sleep over trying to stop and his hands are very far from sure(Amendola had way better hands). He’s mostly playing catch in the transition space between linebackers and corners rather than matching up against dedicated cover guys and beating them 1-on-1.

    His body of work is not that impressive either. 9 pro seasons, only 2 of those were made up of full 16 game seasons of contribution, only 5 seasons of notable production, 2 1000 yard seasons and 1 100+ reception season. Keep in mond that the slot position is relatively new to the game and Edelman isn’t even the clear-cut best slot guy his organization and current QB has ever had(referring to Wes Walker), nevermind talks of Canton.

    Some people here are also saying that he is still has a lot of playing left. I don’t have a magic crystal ball to refer to on how long he will be able to avoid that one career ending hit by some monster LB coming across the middle, but he’s already almost 33 and playing a position that takes a serious pounding. Injuries have been an issue for him despite his toughness and willingness to play through manageable ones. Most slot guys don’t play effectively past 33 to 34 (look at Welker and Troy Brown for example). The Pats are a pretty cutthroat organization with regard to personelle moves and getting rid of most players before the intersection of the salary curve and a players wheels fall off start to misalign. If Edelman leaves the Pats in a year or 2, he’s a nobody and will produce nothing of note. If he is lucky in 3 or 4 years (well after the hype has fizzled) we might remember that we ever even mentioned him in the same breath as the Hall of Fame.

  35. No way he ever makes it. I don’t care how many 5 yard catches he stacks up.

    The reason he plays slot is because he can’t do anything else. He can’t play outside.

    The Pats design plays to get the slot guy open. There are probably 20 guys in today’s NFL that would do just as well in the slot for the Pats. That’s not counting starting outside WRs like Antonio Brown.

    You could plug in Adam Humphries or Sterling Shepard and get the same production

  36. If you are comparing Edelman to Lynn Swann, you are making a fool of yourself. Swann played in an era where DBs were allowed to grab WRs.

    There were no west coast offenses with little 5 yard crossing routes because WRs would be knocked out of they tried to go over the middle. That was strictly TE territory. QBs only completed just above 50% because it was so hard to pass.

  37. To be perfectly clear, 31 fan bases don’t think he’s HOF worthy because of the logo on his helmet, whether he has the credentials or not. Hell, based on the comments on PFT every day, 30% (at least) don’t think Brady is HOF worthy. Lmfao

  38. I wonder how much you know about football. I doubt you have ever watch Edelman play or really even ever watch a patriots football game. You could put Jerry Rice on the NewEngland Patriots and he would not have better numbers than Edelman. The patriots spread the ball around more than any team in the history of football. Those stats you are touting can not be acquired playing on a patriots team.

  39. Julian has been a great Patriot. He came into the NFL without a position. He has played defense. He has excelled on special teams, and thru hard work. he has made himself into a top notch WR and all pro punt returner. There is no question in my mind when the time comes, he will be a first ballot member of the PATRIOT HOF.

    As far as the the one in Canton, at this point getting in there is all about piling up numbers. And unfortunately, Julian doesn’t have them. Pats fans would love him to make it, but most recognize reality. It isn’t the hall of very good. Nothing in this article is incorrect.

    On one hand he is lucky he came to the Pats, because they are one of the few teams who saw potential value in him and gave him the time to develop. On the other hand, unless your name is Tom Brady, the Patriots are the team where individual statistics go to die. That is why they win, and that is why so few make it to the Canton version of the HOF.

  40. To the comment writer above: Terrell Davis is NOT a deserving HOFer, period. Why? Because he was a product of an elite blocking system that produced strong rusher after strong rusher. Mediocre talents such as Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson (who failed to do a thing afterward with other teams) thrived for the Broncos, and even when the OL talent was diminished years later the system made Clinton Portis one of the most efficient rushers ever over two opening seasons (before the Broncos cashed out on him to steal a HOF CB). Notice how Portis never came close to his Y/C numbers in Washington that he put up in Denver? Well, the system was strongest for Davis. And I’m not saying he was an ordinary bum – there is a reason he did better than the likes of Gary and Anderson – but he was at best a “good” RB who was made to look great.

    For some reason, fans are great at recognizing when a super RB talent is thriving IN SPITE of weak blocking. We saw the likes of Barry Sanders, Adrian Peterson, and now Saquon Barkley have to do the heavy lifting, and they were rightly praised. For some reason, however, fans (and the media) STINK at recognizing when a great OL boosts RB production. It happened in Denver, it happened in St. Louis for Marshall Faulk (a good rusher and great receiver who was made to look like a great rusher thanks to the team’s line), it happened in KC for Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson, and it has most recently happened in Dallas, where Murray and Elliot have looked like MVPs and a broken down Darren McFadden on a team with bad QBs and no receivers still made the Pro Bowl.

    No, comment writer, Terrell Davis was not Gale Sayers, greatness cut short. It is you who fails to understand that football is a TEAM game, and sometimes it is the RB who is carried to great production.

  41. Are you kidding me!?!
    Every coach would want him.
    No coach wants to have to defend him.
    Clutch in the biggest moments.
    2 SB wins
    1 SB MVP
    The HOF should be for players that create wins NOT stats.
    Racking up garbage time yardage in blowout losses should not create a hall of fame wide receiver.

    Also: it doesn’t actually matter. Ask every WR in HOF with no SB wins; HOF or SB MVP?
    Ask Marino, ask Kelly, Moss, Carter, Rivers, Fitzgerald, B Sanders

  42. I don’t care if he makes the HOF and neither does he. Edelman is in the business of winning, and business is good.

  43. Anyone who reviews the Pats SB win over Seattle (despite the hype of the M. Butler interception) will notice that the REAL “key” play that changed the game, and won that SuperBowl was due to a play no one ever talks about….

    On the Pats 1st drive Brady threw an interception to the Hawks DB in the redzone that was being returned when Edelman catches up with the DB, with a flying tackle that took him down so hard the DB broke his wrist falling down, putting him out of the game. After that, all the key (3rd down etc) passes Brady made were vs that DB’s replacement, and clearly was the weak link that won the game for the Pats (One of those passes was a TD to Edelman.)

    Edelman was really the MVP for that Super Bowl too.

  44. SWFLPC.INC says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:08 pm
    Neither were Joe Namath, Terrell Davis, Tony Dungy or Jerome Bettiis

    282 64

    JEROME BETTIS IS A HOF’er??? Thats a joke right? It has to be. I hope. The others you mentioned i completely agree with. But Bettis? PLEASE explain why you think hes not. (Other than your hate for Pittsburgh) Because currently he ranks 7TH all time rushing. Behind only in numerical order; Emmitt, Sweetness, Sanders, Gore, Curtis Martin and LT. At the time he retired he was 5th all time. With a Superbowl. Hes ahead of names like Dickerson, Dorsett, Faulk, Riggins, Allen, Harris, T. Thomas. All HOFers as well. So please again tell me hows he doesnt belong. 13,662 career rushing yards. For a running back who had some of the nimblest feet and weighed 270. Everyone knew what was coming and couldnt stop it. Bus is a hall of famer.

  45. Jules has 3 Rings and one Super Bowl MVP. I’m sure many HOF’s with zero rings would give up their bust in Canton for 3 Lombardi Trophies.

    But the Hall is a joke… Micheal Irvin first ballet player?, Lynn Swann and Kurt Warner shouldn’t even be in, I. Bruce not in. Howie Long shouldn’t be in.

  46. There’s more to being a hall of famer than stats. Edelman is my favorite non-Viking in the league except for maybe Teddy. Dude always brings it in the biggest games. He brings attitude and he does all the little things that help the team win. Nothing but respect for him. He’s a winner and even with 3 super bowls and an mvp he’s still underrated by the media snobs who think all HOF receivers have to be 6-5 and get 1400 yards every season while their team goes 6-10.

  47. The HOF is for players who have made a larger than ordinary impact in the toughest situations that count the most. The stuff of legends. Sure some have more stats. But those stats didn’t propel their team to the playoffs, much less the SB. Those stats weren’t in pursuit of the NFL’S highest mountain. To see Edelman get hit and still drive forward or catch the impossible catch or be open again and again in the postseason, IN THE SB, shows more than the ordinary. When the hammer comes down onto the anvil, the steel is revealed and the rest falls away. A HOF player will have carried his team over the line. I feel that Edelman qualifies.

  48. My argument for Jules is this: any Hall Of Fame, in effect, is a museum. Now one thing with me, I’m not a statistics guy. Stats are often incredibly misleading. There are just way too many variables to rely on stats alone, I go by what my eyes tell me first and foremost. I don’t want the Hall Of Fame to be exclusive to statistical monsters. Obviously elite stats lend themselves to HoF credentials, I’m not throwing them out the window, but there are guys who, for whatever reason, don’t quite have the numbers as some other guys. But my overall HoF criteria is: can we tell the history of the sport in that player’s era without mentioning you as an impact player at your position? And whether it’s fair or not, we place extra weight on playoff performance, and especially Super Bowl performance, and Edelman has been instrumental in all three wins he’s been a part of, and not for nothing, they lost when he was injured for last year’s game. Eli Manning’s candidacy is questionable at best as a regular season QB, but he had two legendary postseason runs, so he has to be in there in my opinion. I mean, Namath is in there, and he had one legendary game he’s remembered for, his overall career is decent but pales to his off field career trapping beaver pelts lmao. So Eli’s gotta get the nod by that standard. Same with Edelman: the game winner vs Seattle, the fingertip catch vs Atlanta, and an MVP performance last night….I’m not saying you have to let every David Tyree in, but it’s getting tough to leave Jules out of the story. In a case like his, I’d overlook the somewhat subpar stats. The outside the numbers receivers get big yards, especially on bum teams if they’re by far the #1 option. Heavily targeted full time slot receivers are a relatively new phenomenon, we’ll see more in the Hall in the future I think, and especially on the Pats where the system relies on spreading the ball around, and gameplans that may or may not include even star players depending on matchups, etc. A couple chapters left to write, but I’d entertain a bid for Edelman, kid’s an animal, everything you want in a player’s attitude.

  49. Zero Pro Bowls.

    And Hines Ward has sniffed the Hall of Fame: he was in the final 15 one year ago. Edelman won’t get into the final 115 any year. Completely laughable.

  50. The HOF is losing respectability. Every year, five players are induced into the HOF. Does that mean that every year there are jsut five, not three or seven, deserving of accolades for greatness? The HOF should be a lot smaller, and not filled with players who just played well. “Well” and “Good” are not meritorious of the Hall of Fame.

    Those players immortalized in Canton should be just that, superb players at their positions.

    And to deny Art Modell entrance into the HOF is revenge from Cleveland sports writers. Modell, in spite of moving from Cleveland to Baltimore, fought to bring football to television, and that’s when the greatest popularity of sports programming began. Modell was instrumental, if not the spearhead, for Monday night football.

    The HOF should be for football greats, players and coaches. No commissioners, owners, or general managers. It is a place for Paul Brown, Jim Brown, Joe Montana, Tom Brady. Tom Landry, Chuck Noll, etc. At the rate the voting is going, soon everyone will get a place in the HOF, maybe not a bronze bust, but, at least, a wallet size photo.

  51. on a team where there are no “I’s”
    Edelman still stands out as great
    he should be a HOFer – this from a Eagle’s fan
    he is a dagger in most teams hearts
    on a team where they feature no one and that is why they keep on winning

  52. Who should be in the hall, the guy with a lot of regular season stats or the playoff beast?

  53. SWFLPC.INC says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:08 pm
    Neither were Joe Namath, Terrell Davis, Tony Dungy or Jerome Bettiis
    =========================================================================
    Namath’s being in the Hall of Fame has little to do with his numbers. Football went from mere sports to entertainment and Namath was the right guy in the right place at the right time saying the right things. Terrell Davis had a short career but was dominant in that short time like no other, and in 9 playoff games had 1140 yards rushing (only 1 game under 100 yards) and 12 TD’s. Dungy and Bettis- probably shouldn’t be in- no need to compound the mistake by adding Edelman.

  54. Hall voters dont like wide recievers. Lynn Swann in the HOF,but Cliff Branch is not.Edelman just passed Branch the other night in playoff yardage Branch is still 4th in playoff reception yardage 1289 yards,and he retired 35 years ago..Cliff Branch was the best wr in the game when he played,not in the Hall.Julian is a very good player,he may make it.There is not one wr in the game today as good as Branch, not one. Branch will never get in,the voters dont like him,hopefully that wont happen to.Edelman

  55. Electing a known PED user to the HOF would be a disgrace to the game of football, plain and simple. 3 falsely earned and tarnished rings don’t mean much.

  56. Tell you what………He will make the PATRIOT HALL OF FAME on the first ballot!! There is “NO” better hall then the one at PATRIOT PLACE!

  57. Edelman is a clutch player with three rings who deserves this conversation but anyone that doesnt think Joe Namath deserves to be in the HOF, doesnt know pro football history.

    Namath had great throwing ability and the quickest release in football at the time that excited fans and NBC viewers and put fans in the seats in EVERY stadium…

    His play and contract enabled an entire league to survive…

    He Guaranteed a victory in the Super Bowl and delivered beating an NFL Powerhouse.

    His ability forced defences to develop nickel and dime defences, not to mention the Baltimore zone which became the cover two defences…

    He was a Rockstar amongst players when the AFL and then the NFL needed all the hype and publicity they could get.

    By winning Super Bowl III, the game itself became a HUGE worldwide event

  58. Yes, it’s an important role. But if he wasn’t doing it, someone else would be.

    There is no other JE11. A unique player. Blah blah blah Davis had his career cut short. How many others would be there save for shortened careers.

    IF Davis & Namath are in they should be carrying JE11 on their shoulders. Football PLAYER, toughest guy on the field. Everything a football player is supposed to be, and since he’s half the size he’s double the player. 2 SB’s at least can be creditd to his intensity and focus.

  59. I couldn’t care less whether he will get in or not. As far as he help the team with clutch catches, thank you very much. And if he would like to have more money for that, totally understandable. (He will come back with this request, just wait for it.)

  60. Jordy Nelson will never get in in spite of the fact he should, so Edelman has no chance.
    I love what Edelman does though, and for Florio to dismiss what he does by saying if he didn’t do it someone else would is wrong.

  61. LOVE Terrell Davis, and he absolutely belongs in the Hall; Edelman, as of now, does not.

    But one point on Davis: he does not hold the career playoff rushing touchdown mark – Emmitt holds that record (19). TD has 12. Franco Harris has 16, as does Thurman Thomas.

  62. So why is Lynn Swann in the HOF? 336 catches for 5500 yards and 50 TDs? Those aren’t HOF numbers in any era. So why is he in? Post season excellence. John Stallworth. 537, 8700, 63 TDs. Again, he’s in because of post season excellence. Belitnikoff. 589, 8974, 76 TDs. Meh, but post season excellence. Now lets look at Stanley Morgan. 557, 10716, 72 TDs. That’s 19.2 yards per reception for a career. Why not in HOF? Played in the same era as the other three. Put up comparable numbers. No post season excellence. Morgan even made more Pro Bowls than Swann and Stallworth. I know. Swann only played 9 years to Morgan’s 14. Well Swann’s 14 year projection would look like 520, 8500, 78 TDs. Still not as good as Morgan. But post season excellence. Sorry, but Edelman’s post season excellence puts him in the conversation now.

  63. Sorry, but he gets in on the strength of that catch alone and that hit on Jeremy Lane. That’s no role. If I need another reason, how about his second ranked number of postseason catches behind Jerry Rice.

  64. The problem is that he deserves it as much as some who are already in the HOF, but he still doesn’t deserve it yet. As a Niners fan, I don’t think Roger Craig quite deserves it either.

  65. 1.) Edelman had 90 yards in the first half of the SB…and the pats scored 3 points. The Rams defense was giving them everything underneath. He had another 60 yards in the second half and the TD was set up by Gronk and Michel.

    2.) Edelman has never been an All-Pro. He’s never been considered as the best player at his position in a season his era, let alone of all time.

    Great player, some clutch catches. But lets face it, the Pats won the Super Bowl on the back of their defense and great coaching that shut out the Rams prolific offense.

  66. How many of you screaming from the rooftops about how Edelman belongs in the hall of fame are the same ones that can’t shut up about how overrated Mahomes is?

  67. eaglesmaina says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:13 pm
    If this guy makes the hall, they should turn it into a comedy club.
    ——————————————
    It already is a comedy club.
    It’s turned into the hall of very good.

  68. vikinghooper says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:56 pm
    Making plays in big moments puts you in the Hall.
    Larry Brown zone INTs and Tim Smith 202 yards one time doesn’t count.
    Edelman has literally been personally responsible for 3 SB victories. Brady looks for and goes to him in the clutch….
    ————————————-

    I would not say any player is singularly responsible for the Pats SB victories, but Edelman has certainly been a significant contributor to some Pats SB teams and wins, and his playoff stats are currently second to only one WR, and I believe that needs to be considered some years down the road when he is HOF eligible.

    We all know there are players in the HOF who have less of a resume than Edelman, but that does not mean Edelman absolutely belongs. No one can reasonably argue that Tony Gonzalez and Ed Reed were not deserving first time ballot HOFers this season, but many can argue whether or not the other HOFers this year really belong. I am sure that will continue to be the case every year with the voting.

  69. Deion Branch has a resume similar to Edelman. Also got a Super Bowl MVP. But he won’t make the HOF.

    Edelman at least still has time to build a case for consideration.

  70. Football doesn’t look at PED’s as BB does. BBW don’t want to vote for MLB players like Clemons, Bonds etc. but in NFL it seems different.
    I know some BB writers who said, as long as he has a bot, he would never vote for a PED user. I am not sure NFL writers feel the same. Plus the NFL has a moron as Commissioner.

  71. amchez11 Uh Doug Baldwin is a better slot receiver, he has got more yard and touchdowns is a short time period with a team that runs the ball more than it throws!

  72. Not even close. He’s the product of the systemic his career stats show that had he played for any other team he would have been long out of this league. He’s not a difference maker. He could be replaced at any time. Yes he’s put up decent numbers but he is not what the hall of fame should represent. And for those yapping about Lynn swan, he played ina different era that was not nearly as pass oriented in how the rules were called. If you want to put his playoff production in the hall, fine…. but he is not a hall of fame player.

    And for those saying he won 3 Super Bowls for them, I guess that would Brady anything but the Goat. Adam V won the the first two, and if Edelman won the last 3, guess that makes Brady responsible for 1..: and no I don’t believe that but the patriots fans are obnoxious idiots who think only their players belong in the hall of fame. This dominance is due to 2 people. B and B and sorry but ediotman is not in the hall
    EVER!!!!!!!!

  73. The PEDs certainly helped to speed his rehab and, who knows, prepare him for SBLIII. I suppose it is futile to expect HOF eligibles to remain above suspicion and beyond reproach.

  74. In 10 NFL seasons, he has two 1,000-yard receiving performances. He has 499 regular-season catches and 5,390 regular-season receiving yards. That puts him in a tie for 148th in all-time receptions and at 248 in all-time receiving yards. With only 30 receiving touchdowns, he’s well out of the top 250.
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    There is no way in hell that he gets in with these stats, & if he does you know that Kraft paid off the H.O.F. committee.

  75. bigmatt1982 says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:51 pm
    Product of the system

    ———

    What system would that be? Hard work, attention to detail, dedication to team?

  76. Stat nerds often can’t see the trees for the forest.

    Edelman is clutch. At 5′ 10″, Edelman has proven himself almost unstoppable. When it’s 3rd down, or 4th down, game on the line…. who’s better in the slot..?

    Guy is tough as nails, & half the size of the guys hitting him. He’s doing more, with less, than the average WR in the league. I’d be curious to what his ratio of 1st downs per catch is.

    If Edelman plays a few more years at the same level…. he’ll get a gold jacket.

  77. He’s had some huge receptions in the biggest moments. People write what is he without Brady, however without Jules Brady is still sitting at 3 titles.

    Agree he’s not a Hall given BUT if you Eli that has maybe played 5 good games in his life and 2 happen to be Super Bowl or Phillip Rivers who can’t elevate his team even though he always has good players on both side of the ball, I would rather see Edelman get in.

  78. firerogergoodellnow says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:10 pm
    “Edelman’s four-game suspension to start the 2018 season remains a permanent stain on his record, one that could turn a borderline case into a no.”

    If he were a baseball player, he would not be allowed to play in the playoffs. NFL should have the same policy has MLB does

    ======================================================

    no, no it shouldnt. first of all baseball isnt a physical grind as much as mental. julians trying to heal an acl, not hit the stupid baseball further than the next roid freak, then go stand in right field for 20 minutes. baseball’s antiquated and stringent set of written and unwritten rules contributes to half empty stadiums across the league. if the nfl had a product death wish then sure, bury it in legislation, but until then, baseball is not a true measuring stick for nfl players and their recovery needs.

  79. vicnocal says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:51 pm
    Who has secured a greater spot in the annals of NFL lore, putting his stamp on legendary NFL games with clutch performances that made him a household recognizable name even amongst people who dont follow the NFL closely: Julian Edelman, or some “Hall Of Fame” stats guy like Brandon Marshall or Jimmy Smith toiling away in obscurity in meaningless games in Jacksonville?
    The Hall is for people who have shaped the NFL and left their indelible mark on it, and Edelmam has.

    —————-

    Jimmy Smith was 10 times the receiver that Julian Edelman is. And I like Edelman. But it’s not Smiths fault that people don’t pay attention to the Jags. He was one of the main reasons for their early success. He was awesome. You can’t start disqualifying guys because they weren’t on great teams. You gonna keep Fitzgerald out too? Smith’s Jags were more successful that his Cardinals.

  80. Edeleman revolutionized an entire position. He play in the slot and dominates there. He IS uncoverable. You can’t even double him cause he reads Ds so well and runs such tight routes. Other WRs have performed well in the slot (Landry, Cooks, Fitz to name a few) but they usually end up working inside -> out.
    He may not have the “numbers” of other WRs (like Heinz Ward) but he is not like other WRs…. he is, essentially, “the mold” for how to control the middle of the field.
    When you are really the first, and you revolutionize the sport in your own way, isn’t that worthy of the HOF?

  81. “I despise the Patriots, but let’s not embarrass ourselves and not see Edelman has more of an impact than Swann and Namath”

    No single player had more of an impact on the NFL than Joe Namath. And fantasy fans need to stop thinking that everything in the NFL is about stats.

  82. Edelman is a great role player in Belichicks system.
    On another team he’d not be anything special.
    In no way is he a hall of famer.
    His stats are owed to the system he’s in.
    To even think he’s worthy of the hall of fame shows a lack of understanding of the game and a slavish following of padded stats.

  83. I can’t wait till the World Champions get Hunter Refrow. Who IS Edelman but better. 🙂 The seething will be delicious!

  84. waldoampere says:
    February 5, 2019 at 8:55 am
    “I despise the Patriots, but let’s not embarrass ourselves and not see Edelman has more of an impact than Swann and Namath”

    No single player had more of an impact on the NFL than Joe Namath. And fantasy fans need to stop thinking that everything in the NFL is about stats.

    Namath is the most overrated QB of all time. An entire career wrapped around one game.

  85. As the all time leader in punt return average in nfl history, his willingness to convert from qb to receiver, play some nickel, and then emerge as a top 3 afc for the past 5 or so years, with 3 rings, while being seen as possibly more important than Gronk to the team, yes, he is a hall of famer aftee that sb mvp performance.

    Enough disparaging Pats greats.

    And, last time: He lines up at the Z and is not just a slot WR like Welker was.

    Learn NFL history and the sport before more disrespect is dished out.

    If Lynn Swann is in the HOF, the Edelman is.

    ______________

    Dude you are so far out of touch. This guy doesn’t even scratch the surface of what it takes to be a hall of famer. No one will even remember his name in 5 years.

  86. So… Barry Bonds does performance enhancing drugs, and he is vilified forever.

    Julien Edelman uses performance enhancing drugs and he’s talked up for the Hall.

    Don’t make it illegal if you’re not going to really punish people for it.

  87. I am still laughing at Ty Law just getting in now, because somehow, some way, Champ Bailey is a 1st ballot HOFer with a weaker resume, which forced them to allow Law in to the HOF.

    So pathetic.

  88. Zero Pro Bowls.

    And Hines Ward has sniffed the Hall of Fame: he was in the final 15 one year ago. Edelman won’t get into the final 115 any year.

    Completely laughable.

  89. I’m not saying he is or he isn’t but at some point I believe the hall needs to consider more than just the stats when making selections. A players career and accomplishments and contributions to big moments need to be considered.

    As to those saying he’s a role player and it’s easy to plug and play I would tend to disagree BUT it doesn’t matter as he’s still making the catches, he’s still moving the ball and he’s still a huge contributing factor to the Patriots winning Super Bowls.

    At this point whose career would you rather have Calvin Johnson (2007 draft) no Super Bowls or Julian Edelman (2009 draft) three Super Bowl Championships?

    I’m guessing there is a lot who would consider Johnson a Hall of Famer while discounting Edelman but I’m sure those same people would rather have Julian’s career at this point.

  90. Without Edelman, they might only win half the playoff games that they do. He’s a contributor, not a benefactor.

  91. Julien Edelman uses performance enhancing drugs and he’s talked up for the Hall.
    Don’t make it illegal if you’re not going to really punish people for it.
    ———————————————–
    Keep this in mind when Von Miller and Antonio Gates are up for induction.

    The fact that Edelman getting into Canton is even a legitimate conversation speaks to the career this guy is having. I don’t view him as a HOF guy but the fact that a 7th round pick who was a QB in college is in the discussion is tremendous.

  92. Now I see why people don’t like patriots fans lol. I promise we’re not all blind homers lol. Isaac Bruce can’t even get into the hall, no way in hell is Edelman deserving. Never once one of the top receivers in the league

  93. @thewizardsrevenge
    Are we all going to conveniently forget he was out all of last season and Brady had one of the best seasons of his career, and threw for 500 yards in the super bowl? If Julio Jones or Antonio Brown, you know, real hall of famers got hurt, there QB’s would not get better and make the super bowl lol.

  94. So Crates says:
    February 5, 2019 at 9:12 am
    So… Barry Bonds does performance enhancing drugs, and he is vilified forever.

    Julien Edelman uses performance enhancing drugs and he’s talked up for the Hall.

    Don’t make it illegal if you’re not going to really punish people for it.

    —-
    Football is a team sport. Baseball isn’t really. It’s a much bigger deal in baseball.

    And once again we have no idea what Edelman rested positive for because the NFL won’t tell us. I think that’s very strange. 🤔

  95. If Edelman plays a few more years at the same level…. he’ll get a gold jacket.
    ——
    Exactly.

    Funny how Pats fans are accused of saying Edelman has a hall of fame resume right now if he retired today. None of us are saying that.

  96. Here is a huge Stat for you to think about – If Edelman did not play in this SB, injury or suspension, the Rams win.

    Edelman is a definite Game Changer and HOF.

  97. Here is a huge Stat for you to think about – If Edelman did not play in this SB, injury or suspension, the Rams win.

    Edelman is a definite Game Changer and HOF.
    ===============================================

    This means NOTHING in terms of making a HOF case. The recency bias is out of control w/ Edelman.

    Very good player. Top flight postseason performer. If he plays another 4-5 years at a pro bowl level than perhaps he can stand a reasonable chance.

    But at the end of the day its the Robert Horry argument…clutch players w/ a bunch of rings (TEAM achievement) are not HOF’s w/out the career-long #’s to back it up. 499 catches for 5400 yards and 30 TD’s are not HOF #’s end of story.

  98. I think he could get in with another great playoff run. The issue is everyone is mudding the water with how we are discussing his hall candidacy, he is not a first ballot candidate no way but to say he couldn’t get in later is still open for discussion.
    He will probably end up in the top 20 of punt return yards if he has another good 3-4 years. He is also in the top 20 for return average.

    His only likely route will be in 25 years after he retires when the senior committee determines his eligibility and see what he has done in the past few years as being special enough or not to be eligible. To outwardly say no is foolish.

  99. gninnaf says:
    February 4, 2019 at 11:04 pm
    I wonder how much you know about football. I doubt you have ever watch Edelman play or really even ever watch a patriots football game. You could put Jerry Rice on the NewEngland Patriots and he would not have better numbers than Edelman. The patriots spread the ball around more than any team in the history of football. Those stats you are touting can not be acquired playing on a patriots team.
    —————————————
    That comment is laughable. Look at the stats Randy Moss put up with the Patriots. If the Patriots had Jerry Rice I kinda think he would get a few more targets than Edelman, like maybe a lot more targets than Edelman. I don’t think it would take B.B. and the GOAT very long to figure out that Rice is a far better receiver than Edelman and structure their game plan accordingly.

  100. He’s a Patriots Hall of Famer. Two 1000 yard seasons? Never has been considered the best at his position or even in the conversation. What’s the argument for? Great post-season player, but not a NFL Hall of Famer.

  101. How can a guy who’s only played in 16 games twice in his career, never had more than 7 touchdown catches in a season has 2 straight seasons with ZERO TD passes and has less than 6000 career yards with only 30 career TD’s and a PED suspension even be in a conversation for HoF?

  102. If Jason Taylor is a Hall of Famer, then Edelman has a claim as well.

    HOF voting these days is getting pretty full of “Hall of Pretty Good” candidates. While some classic players are still left out.

  103. discountdoublecheck says:
    February 5, 2019 at 10:15 am
    Here is a huge Stat for you to think about – If Edelman did not play in this SB, injury or suspension, the Rams win.

    Edelman is a definite Game Changer and HOF.
    ===============================================

    This means NOTHING in terms of making a HOF case. The recency bias is out of control w/ Edelman.

    Recency Bias? are you serious? That’s the basis each week for people’s assessment of who’s MVP. It’s why NE was not considered a serious SB contender after losing to Pitt & MIA.

    Edelman’s entire career has been one of over achievement. I’ll take him over these one trick “take the top off the defense” types. Focus, intensity, consistency make him among the elite in this league. Anyone who says they wouldn’t want him on their team is lying or uneducated in the art of football.

  104. frank booth says:
    February 5, 2019 at 2:38 am
    SWFLPC.INC says:
    February 4, 2019 at 8:08 pm
    Neither were Joe Namath, Terrell Davis, Tony Dungy or Jerome Bettiis
    =========================================================================
    Namath’s being in the Hall of Fame has little to do with his numbers. Football went from mere sports to entertainment and Namath was the right guy in the right place at the right time saying the right things. Terrell Davis had a short career but was dominant in that short time like no other, and in 9 playoff games had 1140 yards rushing (only 1 game under 100 yards) and 12 TD’s. Dungy and Bettis- probably shouldn’t be in- no need to compound the mistake by adding Edelman.
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    I don’t think Edelman is HOF right now, but he isn’t retiring either so I’ll wait till his career ends. As someone else said, Terrell Davis was dominant because of his O-line. Backs who played after him were great as well (Gary, Portis). And as for Davis playoff dominance, is Sony Michel close to the HOF then with 6TDs ? Only half kidding but TD wasn’t as dominant as folks think

  105. So Crates says:
    February 5, 2019 at 9:12 am

    So… Barry Bonds does performance enhancing drugs, and he is vilified forever.

    ===================

    I understand what you’re saying, but I think the bigger issue with Bonds was that he was breaking an all-time, “sacred” individual record – the home run record – so it wasn’t as much about himself as a player as whether the integrity of the highest achievements, and record books, was being sullied.

    The home-run record is one of the most widely-known and celebrated of all individual achievements in sport. Prior record-holders are idealized legends with incredible cultural cache, and people are protective of the ideals and idols of individual achievement. With Bonds, it’s like Lance Armstrong getting more scrutiny than some random cyclist who hadn’t set any milestone records.

    There are so many players who’ve already been busted at some point or another for PED use, on so many teams, that unless you do a lifetime ban for the first offense, the water is going to be a little muddied no matter what. Commit an offense, serve the punishment, then never get recognized for anything again?

  106. kcflake says:
    February 5, 2019 at 9:37 am
    Edelman was suspended for PED Use. he deserves to be treated how MLB treats their PED players.
    ———————————

    I, personally, do not think Edelman is an HOFer yet, but I still have some questions.

    Should Peyton Manning never be elected to the HOF because he cheated with PEDs?
    Should Von Miller, well on his way to building a HOF resume, never be elected to the HOF because he cheated with PEDs?

    Do you want to rescind Ray Lewis’ HOF induction because he cheated with PEDs?
    Do you want to rescind the Steelers 70’s HOFers because they cheated with PEDs?

  107. hawksnorth says:
    February 5, 2019 at 10:51 am
    How can a guy who’s only played in 16 games twice in his career, never had more than 7 touchdown catches in a season has 2 straight seasons with ZERO TD passes and has less than 6000 career yards with only 30 career TD’s and a PED suspension even be in a conversation for HoF?
    ——————————————

    If you saw Edelman’s regular season resume as a punt returner and WR you would think he has been a very good NFL player. And, then, when you see he has one of the 10 best post-season resumes in the Super Bowl era, among all players, you start to think he might deserve some HOF consideration. I do not think he is there yet, but he has probably reached the consideration stage.

    NFL HOF voters have ignored the use of PEDs as a strike against induction on an annual basis, so the least people can do is drop that as a ‘no way’ argument against Edelman.

  108. Seems like the same crowd that thinks Robert Horry should be in the basketball HOF. He has never even been to a Pro Bowl. So, at no point in his career has he been considered even one of the best 4 receivers in his own conference, much less the entire NFL. But he should be in the NFL?

    Put the crack pipe down.

  109. I’m not sure what he has to do to get in. He’s probably the best slot receiver ever, and he has more big catches in the playoffs than any receiver I can think of – and that includes TEs, WRs, and RBs. Playing in the slot, he’s never going to accumulate the yardage of a Jerry Rice, but should that matter? Chris Carter is in the HOF based on stats alone.

    If you had to win one game, would you rather have Chris Carter or Julian Edelman?

  110. waldoampere says:
    February 5, 2019 at 10:24 am
    “Namath is the most overrated QB of all time. An entire career wrapped around one game.”

    Namath won two league MVPs. Explain that.
    _____________________________________________________________

    Someone needs to let the AP know so they can update their records.

    Career: <.500 winning percentage w/50 more INTs than TDs. "I wanna KISS you." lol A QB more likely to get blasted on Saturday night & throw 5 picks on Sunday than win a game for his team.

    Joe Willie is about as far from HOF material as one could get.

  111. I’m not sure what he has to do to get in. He’s probably the best slot receiver ever, and he has more big catches in the playoffs than any receiver I can think of – and that includes TEs, WRs, and RBs. Playing in the slot, he’s never going to accumulate the yardage of a Jerry Rice, but should that matter? Chris Carter is in the HOF based on stats alone.

    If you had to win one game, would you rather have Chris Carter or Julian Edelman?

    —-

    Who’s the coach and QB? If it’s not BB and Brady, then its Carter, 100%.

    And why are people comparing Edelman to Namath or Swan? I would sure hope a slot WR in 2018 could produce more stats than a QB or WR from the 1800’s.

  112. A lot of posts have said this is only the beginning for Edelman, that he can make the HOF on this trajectory. Do you guys know the dude turns 33 next year. He is ending his career with solid seasons, not starting a HOF career. He’d need to play 10 more years at this clip to be in the discussion.

  113. #2 all time playoff receptions
    #2 alltime playoff receiving yards

    he could easily catch jerry rice in catches (36 behind).

    add to that 3 super bowls wins (including an MVP), all of which he made significant contributions to.

    if he’s not there yet, he’s close.

  114. whywerule says:
    February 5, 2019 at 11:50 am

    Should Peyton Manning never be elected to the HOF because he cheated with PEDs?
    Should Von Miller, well on his way to building a HOF resume, never be elected to the HOF because he cheated with PEDs?

    Do you want to rescind Ray Lewis’ HOF induction because he cheated with PEDs?
    Do you want to rescind the Steelers 70’s HOFers because they cheated with PEDs?
    ______________________________________________________________

    Yes & Yes & Yes & Yes

  115. Bagoon Stevens says:
    February 4, 2019 at 10:19 pm
    I think Swann 100% deserves his yellow jacket, he was spectacular in big games, yeah his numbers weren’t the greatest compared to todays game
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    Psst, his numbers weren’t the greatest in those days either. Stallworth was by far more important to the Steelers offense of the day, and Pats receiver Stanley Morgan had comparable numbers and never even gets mentioned for HOF.

  116. waldoampere says:
    February 5, 2019 at 10:24 am
    “Namath is the most overrated QB of all time. An entire career wrapped around one game.”

    Namath won two league MVPs. Explain that.
    —————————–
    Same way Ted Williams would hit .406 or win the Triple Crown and NOT win an MVP: Stupid writers

  117. “Product of the system”
    ==============================
    Yes, a winning system. And if that were easy everyone would be doing it. Like Troy Brown and Wes Welker before him, has has made the position is own. He will be in the Patriots HOF and that is fine with me.

  118. I wonder which will come first. The league releasing the PSI measurements or the league telling us what Edelman supposedly tested positive for. Hmmm…

  119. He’s not – AND it’s highly unlikely at 32 and with an aging QB he’ll even get close to HOF numbers.

    To put it in perspective – he’s sooo far off a similar WR who is a HOF, Charlie Joiner who has over 12,000 yards (to Edelman’s (5,000)

  120. Well it would be hard for him to be a HALL OF FAMER at this time….. he’s still playing!!!!
    Let’s discuss this AFTER HE RETIRES!!!!

  121. Guam will capsize! says:
    February 5, 2019 at 11:13 am
    discountdoublecheck says:
    February 5, 2019 at 10:15 am
    Here is a huge Stat for you to think about – If Edelman did not play in this SB, injury or suspension, the Rams win.

    Edelman is a definite Game Changer and HOF.
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    This means NOTHING in terms of making a HOF case. The recency bias is out of control w/ Edelman.

    Recency Bias? are you serious? That’s the basis each week for people’s assessment of who’s MVP. It’s why NE was not considered a serious SB contender after losing to Pitt & MIA.

    Edelman’s entire career has been one of over achievement. I’ll take him over these one trick “take the top off the defense” types. Focus, intensity, consistency make him among the elite in this league. Anyone who says they wouldn’t want him on their team is lying or uneducated in the art of football.
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    Yes. The man winning Super Bowl MVP 2 days ago has led to a bunch of burning hot takes wondering if he is a hall of famer when he plain and simple does not have the resume to warrant it. The man has worse career #’s than Darrell Jackson and Chris Chambers and this is still happening. Preeeeeetty much the definition of recency bias.

    And stating he isn’t a hall of famer is nowhere near the same as claiming I ‘wouldn’t want him on my team.’ There are plenty of players who aren’t hall of famers that you’d still love to have on the team you root for.

    He is among them.

  122. I can’t get over how people are giving Edelman A career achievement of the highest honor based on 17 games which is one more than a regular season over 10 years. It’s funny how he’s had Tom Brady (THE G.O.A.T) for his whole career and he has less than 6000yds and only 30Td catches and only 2 1000yd seasons 0 Pro Bowls 0 All-Pros. Then you take a guy like Steve Largent who had Jim Zorn & Dave Krieg throwing him the ball, 8 1000yd, 100 Td catches 7x Pro Bowl 1 All pro and you think Edelman deserves to be in the Hall of Fame with Steve Largent…. YOU R EFFN CRAZY

  123. “But if he wasn’t doing it, someone else would be.”

    I actually hope this is true. Because Edelman has limited years left. And I would love to find out he was nothing exceptional, that we could just plug in another guy and get the same level of performance. Im not holding my breath, but yeah it would be terrific.

  124. So, if it’s so easy to dismiss what Edelman does, why couldn’t the Rams stop him? I don’t care if he catches 5-10 yard passes every time (and that’s not all he does) – teams know what he does, they know Brady looks for him, and they can’t stop him. He may be “just” a slot receiver, but what he does is get open all the time, and especially in crucial situations.

    Now, I don’t know if he’s a HoFer. The HoF to me is like the Oscars – they seem most concerned with convincing everyone how important and great they are. There are plenty of HoFers who probably don’t deserve to be there, and plenty who should be but aren’t. Whether Edelman gets in or not doesn’t really matter, it won’t change what he’s accomplished, and I’ll bet there are plenty of HoFers who would trade their gold jacket for 3 SB rings.

  125. Hall of fame players are more than just stats….. they are players who are CLUTCH….. outstanding at their position….. are versatile & can compliment the team in a variety of ways besides how they are labeled on the roster depth chart……..players that rise to the top when counted on or they are needed to excell…..players that are key contributors at critical times in a game, especially in the post season when it matters most…….players that, when the game is on the line, perform at ultimate levels of ability & directly contribute to the win….. a player that is all heart at all times & leaves it all on the field…. a teammate that is unselfish & can motivate those around him by both his knowledge & actions durring a game…..,,a leader that doesn’t need to have the title as one…….. THAT, to me, is what makes a player HOF worthy that don’t show up in a stat list….a player exactly like Julian Edelman…..Simply a GREAT TEAMATE & PLAYER TO BE FEARED

  126. Ever notice how those whose teams can’t hold a candle to the Patriots in the postseason want to make the Hall of Fame all about . Regular Season performance? If the Hall is just about the week-to-week grind, then it should be renamed to the Hall of Exceptional Longitudinal Performance (HELP).

  127. Hall of FAME. Not Hall of STATS. If it were about stats, half of the inductees wouldn’t be there. On that note, no way Edelman gets in. PED -> MVP puts the * on the season.

    And MVP of the lowest scoring SB in history is like having Topps version of the Ken Griffey Jr. rookie trading card. Sure, it has value, but the real money was with Upper Deck.

  128. To even have any discussion about Edelman being HOF worthy is ludicrous. Not even close. Pats homers with some pretty weak arguments. Heck, the one that SHOULD be argued is why isn’t Isaac Bruce in the HOF? Oh, and why is Bob Griese in the HOF?

  129. Hines won’t sniff the HOF

    I’m not sure how you can say that Hines wont sniff the HOF.

    1,000 catches 12,083 yds 85tds SB mvp

    These numbers compare favorably to Andre Reed

    951 catches 13,198 yds 87tds

    Also Hines played in a run first offense for many years. The thing about Hines that is overlooked is that he was one of the best blocking WR’s of all time.

    He might not get in, but I think he has a shot.

  130. He should be recognized for his ability to enhance his performance with drugs. What an amazing accomplishment!

  131. Other things about Namath that should convince people he should be in the Hall Of Fame…

    Yes he threw lots of interceptions and didnt always play well but remember, especially in the early 70s dead ball era…Defences and new artificial turf stadiums were knocking out players to injuries left and right. QBs didnt wear dresses back then and were getting hit left and right. Defenders could hit the WRs constantly until the ball was thrown in the air and Clothesline and horse collar tackles were legal. Despite this dead ball era, Namath still led or tied the NFL in TD passes in 72 and 74 on balloon ball knees.

    Think on this…When Namath entered the draft, many teams were wanting him but couldnt afford him, especially in the NFL. The NBC network was fixing to televise the rights to the AFL but they needed a player to justify what they would pay the teams per year. Namaths huge contract, not only helped all veteran and rookie players get more money and endorsement deals in the future, but forced the NFL into a merger because the NFL did not have the deep pockets of the AFL owners and had to FORCE a truce which expanded the league.

    Namath lost his top receiver George Sauer Jr, who could have been in the HOF, to retirement after just six seasons which greatly affected his statistics…Imagine Unitas losing Berry or Staubach losing Pearson in that time frame.

    Yes his career peaked with Super Bowl III but he played two other legendary games with the Oakland Raiders that year that changed broadcast history…First the Heidi Game, that forced networks to stay with games no matter how long they ran and then the 68 AFL Championship game, which not only was the leagues greatest game but gave the city of New York, along with the World Championship, its first championship in pro football since the 1956 NY Giants

  132. davew128 says:

    waldoampere says:
    February 5, 2019 at 10:24 am
    “Namath is the most overrated QB of all time. An entire career wrapped around one game.”

    Namath won two league MVPs. Explain that.
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    Same way Ted Williams would hit .406 or win the Triple Crown and NOT win an MVP: Stupid writers
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    It’s Most Valuable Player, not Player of the Year.

  133. nflhistorybuff68 says:
    February 5, 2019 at 4:31 am
    Edelman is a clutch player with three rings who deserves this conversation but anyone that doesnt think Joe Namath deserves to be in the HOF, doesnt know pro football history.

    Namath had great throwing ability and the quickest release in football at the time that excited fans and NBC viewers and put fans in the seats in EVERY stadium…

    His play and contract enabled an entire league to survive…

    He Guaranteed a victory in the Super Bowl and delivered beating an NFL Powerhouse.

    His ability forced defences to develop nickel and dime defences, not to mention the Baltimore zone which became the cover two defences…

    He was a Rockstar amongst players when the AFL and then the NFL needed all the hype and publicity they could get.

    By winning Super Bowl III, the game itself became a HUGE worldwide even

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    Everything you said about Namath has nothing to do with whether he was a Hall Of Fame football player. His Jets won the first Super Bowl for the AFL, but he wasn’t even the best player in that game for the Jets. Matt Snell was the best player and should have been the MVP. If you look at what Namath did in that game, it was more Trent Dilfer like than Joe Montana like. Matt Snell, the Jets “O” line, and the Jets defense were the reasons the Jets won that game, not Joe Namath. And that one game is why Namath is in the Hall Of Fame. Let’s not kid ourselves.
    Namath threw more interceptions in his career than touchdowns, for crying out loud! Joe Namath is in the Hall Of Fame because he was one of the first players who knew how to play the media, not because he earned it by being a great QB.
    And as far as him being the guy who saved the AFL, that’s total hogwash. What saved the AFL was they had owners with a lot of money and lots of smarts who were in it for the long haul and knew exactlyly how to compete with the NFL. They did it by paying the players they drafted more money than the NFL was offering them and by getting a tv contract with NBC. Those two things “saved” the AFL, not Joe Namath. Besides, the Chiefs won the Super Bowl the year after the Jets did, so the AFL was already on a par with the NFL as far as their top teams went.
    I don’t think Edelman is a Hall Of Fame player and I think people forget why the Hall Of Fame is there. It’s there to honor the very best players of their ERA and the Super Bowl is only one part of that. At no time has Edelman been one of the top receivers in football. Yes, he gets penalized by the system the Pats run. But does anyone think that if Edelman played for a different team he’d put up the numbers he does?
    I love Edelman and what he does. But as with many of the recent inductees in the Hall Of Fame, he is not one of the players who dominated his position during his entire career.

  134. I understand your position Neal. Youre right, Matt Snell should have been MVP of Super Bowl III, but Namath didnt even throw a pass in the 4th Quarter, which shows he PLAYCALLED a great game. My point is, Namath is in the HOF because of his role in AFL, NFL, Broadcast/Film and Super Bowl History…not his overall numbers

    Edelman may never make the HOF, but his clutch ability should remind everyone that postseason excellence and winning are more an important reason for helping a player make the HOF, than any statistics or number of pro bowl selections, though they dont hurt.

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