Jim Irsay attempts to define what it means to be the greatest team ever

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If you can’t beat ’em, redefine what it means to lose to ’em.

Financially, all NFL teams win. Bigly. Competitively, the Patriots have cracked the code on how to consistently kick everyone else’s asses, and that drives everyone else crazy.

So what do these other teams do? They’ve tried, on multiple occasions, to replace “they’re simply much, much better at this than us” with “they cheat.” And now that the Patriots have won three of the last five Super Bowls and appeared in three in a row four years after the Colts instigated a grossly trumped-up cheating scandal, Colts owner Jim Irsay is trying to redefine what it means to be the greatest team ever, at a time when the greatest team ever is staring him right in the face.

“The G.O.A.T. Standard for NFL Teams is simple and I’ve discussed the seemingly impossible goal with many in NFL circles over the last half of Century,” Irsay tweeted on Saturday. “3 World Championships in a row. NO ONE’S DONE IT! Colt’s [sic] Fans Dream Boldly.” (Irsay, in a subsequent tweet, clarified his claim to mean three straight championships in the Super Bowl era, because the three NFL titles in a row thing has been done, by the Packers, twice.)

Well, Jim, if/when someone wins three Super Bowls in a row, we can compare that accomplishment to what the Patriots have done. Until that happens, the debate must be confined to the available evidence. And the available evidence points inescapably to the fact that, in an era of free agency, the salary cap, and (ostensibly) parity, the Patriots have appeared in nine Super Bowls in 18 years, they’ve won six of them, and they continue to play deep into January (or February) every year, retreat to 0-0 with everyone else, and then find a way to climb to the top of the mountain all over again.

Irsay, clearly not understanding that the term “greatest of all time” is a title that never was meant to be vacant, seems to think that his team can win three in a row. Maybe they can. But, surely, G.M. Chris Ballard, coach Frank Reich, quarterback Andrew Luck, and the rest of the franchise would prefer that the bar set by Irsay be slightly lower.

124 responses to “Jim Irsay attempts to define what it means to be the greatest team ever

  1. What a guy.

    Irsay makes the colts tough to cheer for. I’ll never be a colts fan, but you hate some teams more than others. Irsay motivates hate for the colts.

  2. Good stuff as usual from Irsay. I have tons of reasons to wish The Bengals had a different owner, but I’m thankful that one of them isn’t that the owner can’t shut his mouth

  3. The 1976 Raiders were already given the title of the Greatest Team in NFL History. Back a few years (2012?) when they did that round robin Super Bowl tournament.

    They should do another one of those today given the additional Patriots Super Bowl teams.

  4. Still amazing that the league believed this trash manda that his team lost 45-7 due to the slight natural loss of air pressure in a football. Where I live you just get a deputy to put him in a cell to sleep it off.

  5. Sick and tired of hearing anything about how the packers being the greatest of all time regarding the early years.

    They played 10 games in a season and 1 playoff game to be labeled the greatest. Against some teams who don’t even exist anymore or you never even heard of.

    Same thing goes for the Celtics and Bill Russell. Bill Russell’s championships came during a timeframe when the ENTIRE league consisted of between 9-14 teams for all his championships. And against teams you never even heard of.

  6. The Patriots have been caught cheating on multiple occasions, but most teams are cheating. The Patriots are very smart about how and when to cheat. Holding is cheating, but every team does it. The Patriots are smart about who to hold. For instance, a stupid team might just hold. On the other hand, the Patriots would be a team that would pick the right situation and make sure they hold a guy like Aaron Donald. They’re not just going to blatantly hold him on every play so that the refs are watching, but they’ll pick the right situation to make sure they hold him. You can see it if you watch the tape. Their DB’s will pick their spots too. It doesn’t have to be an outright mugging, just a little tug that throws off the timing. By the time the ref thinks he sees something, the DB releases his hold. All teams do it. Yes it’s cheating, but it’s smart cheating. I mean, it’s like calling Barry Bonds a cheater. Heck, everyone in baseball was using the same stuff he was using, but he was just the best player, so he gets singled out. The Patriots are the greatest football dynasty in history, and it’s not just all about cheating. But like Bonds, if you’re not cheating, you’re actually putting yourself at a disadvantage because everyone else is cheating too. As far as Jim Irsay, he’s no different than Robert Kraft. Sometimes you just get lucky and hire the right people.

  7. Once someone does win 3, he’ll revise it four. Unless it’s the Colts, of course.

    Clown, for sure.

  8. Excellent post by Florio He nailed it.

    The Patriots didn’t just beat the Ravens and Colts in the playoffs the year they invented Deflategate from whole-cloth, they embarrassed them.

    Irsay had sucked for Luck and traded Manning in 2012 and it blew up in his face. The AFC Championship Game for the 2014 season was played on January 18, 2015, at Gillette Stadium, Luck’s third season with the Colts, and they lost 45-7. The Patriots would go on to beat the Seattle in the most dramatic ending to game in Super Bowl history. The prior year the Colts lost in the Divisional round to the Pats by 21 points.

    Harbaugh was apoplectic that Belichick and Brady used unique formations to come back from a 14 point deficit in the Divisonal loss to Pats that year, drawing out the reserved Brady to tell him to “read the rulebook”. Pagano and Harbaugh, who are like brothers, were both livid.

    Irsay has since fired Pagano and tried to buy into the Patriots brain trust by hiring Josh McDaniels who took off like a runaway bride back to the Patriots. Irsay got excited when Frank Reich not only got the Colts into the playoffs but won a Wild Card game before the wheels feel off the Colts bus against the Chiefs.

    The Patriots salted Irsay’s old wounds by going to four super Bowls in five years, winning three of them, including against the Rams this year (an a Chiefs team that beat the Colts).

    The Irsays walked out on the city and fans of Baltimore. Karma is the B word.

  9. He’s gotten smarter though. The Patriots aren’t scheduled to play the Colts this year or next year. The Colts will only play the Patriots in 2020 if both finish in the same place in their divisions. He won’t be facing Tom Brady otherwise until Brady is 44 years old.

    The Patriots have been the team of the 00s and the 10s. Being the best team two decades in a row with at least 9 Super Bowl appearances and 6 SB championships makes you the greatest franchise in the SB era. It’s worth noting that the Colts GM, Polian, even got the rules changed because Ty Law was getting physical with his receivers.

  10. Even if the Colts win 3 super bowls in a row, that’s still not 9 in 18 years. I tried to tell him that, but he was peaking on some mushrooms that night

  11. well since only one franchise, coach, and qb has ever won 3 out of 4 super bowls, and then did 3 more out of 5, we can safely call them the greatest of all time. when another team, qb, and coach wins three in a row plus 3 more, we can reopen he debate.

  12. 1: Jim, Paul Brown on line 1. He already set THE unmatched standard for Greatest Ever. By your metric and every other metric.

    2: The Patriots did cheat. It is undisputed and no amount of rewriting history will take away two decades of cheating scandals surrounding each and every tainted, asterisk carrying “win.”

  13. At some point, Brady will finally retires, and the Pats will beat Luck and the Colts with Danny Etling as the Patriots QB.

  14. One of the less-known benefits of the new AAF league is that it’s a single entity; there are no owners of individual teams.

    Not that it could ever happen, but just imagine if all the owners of the NFL’s teams together owned the whole league, rather than each owning a single team. If something like that happened, Irsay would be sitting in the toddler chair at the owners’ meetings.

  15. flaccodelic says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:45 pm
    The Colts haven’t been a dynasty since they were in Baltimore.
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    I guess winning two championships in the 50’s was a mini-dynasty.

  16. A) Anyone still clinging to the “Patriots cheat” narrative is being a toddler. Wipe away those tears, put on your big boy pants, and admit what you already know – the Patriots are simply better at this than your team right now. Someday that will change…but not yet.

    B) There’s no comparing Lombardi’s Packers to the Patriots – what the Patriots have done is SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult and impressive for a multitude of reasons but most of all because the current NFL system is specifically designed to prevent it.

    C) A guy who hangs “AFC Championship game participant” banners in the rafters of his stadium, is literally the LAST person you should ask to define “what it means to be the greatest team ever.” He clearly has nothing to add to that discussion.

  17. venomraider says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:35 pm
    2: The Patriots did cheat. It is undisputed and no amount of rewriting history will take away two decades of cheating scandals surrounding each and every tainted, asterisk carrying “win.”
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    How did they cheat? The NFL’s lawyer admitted to judge Berman they had no evidence (NFL won the 2nd court just on Goodell’s CBA right to suspend, not on the Brady-PSI evidence). And even if you buy eveything Goodell said about Spygate, that camera was a few yards out of place for 15 minutes (Q1, wk1) after the rule came at the start of the 2007 season – and the video was confiscated before it could be used anyway. You can still film today, a few yards away in the stands, and Fraudger now wants all teams to use in-game video on their Surfaces.

  18. I don’t get why he finds it necessary to throw shade the Patriots’ way. It’s just not a good luck for the Colts at all.

  19. whywerule says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:53 pm
    flaccodelic says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:45 pm
    The Colts haven’t been a dynasty since they were in Baltimore.
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    I guess winning two championships in the 50’s was a mini-dynasty.

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    From 1958 – 1970, the Baltimore Colts won THREE pre-SB championships, then lost the SB in ’69 to the Jets before winning the SB in 1970 against Dallas. Four championships in five championship appearances within 12 years is a “mini” dynasty? OK then.

  20. How did they cheat?
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    They cheated, without going into detail, they were fined, had draft picks taking away, and qb suspended. Fans won’t say they cheated but evidence shows they did, film opposing tea,s, deflate balls. Read upon it.

  21. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    February 9, 2019 at 2:18 pm

    The 1972 Miami Dolphins are still to this day the greatest pro sports team ever.

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    The 2000 Ravens knocked your 1972 Dolphins out of the Super Bowl tournament.
    Then the Ravens lost to the 1976 Oakland Raiders in the finals.

    1976 Oakland Raiders won the Super Bowl tournament to be named The Greatest Team Ever.

  22. Man o man has no owner in the history of the NFL has had an inferiority complex like Jim does with Kraft and the patriots. He seems to have a short memory of his teams actions in pumping in fake crowd noise during the manning era… or his whiny GM at the time protesting the rules at that time. Krafts patriots continue to own the colts in every way… and to see That it still pisses Ursay off is pure comedy 😂

  23. They “deflated “ footballs & evidence “shows it”??? Well then ,why did the NFL tell Judge Berman they had NO EVIDENCE???
    “Filming opposing teams ” ??? You mean like what happens during EVERY game ??? It’s not against the rules to “Film “ teams!

  24. Let’s pretend my hometown Vikings won the next three Super Bowls. The greatest NFL Dynasty would still be the Patriots of the last 18 years. I have zero ties to New England or the Patriots, but let’s get real. What they’re doing is far more impressive than what anyone else has done, and it’s not close.

  25. The Patriots were a missed Gostkowski PAT (or Chris harper muffed punt in week 11) in the ’15 AFC title game OR a Bademosi missed tackle on 3rd down in SB 52 away from a three pear on either side or five in a row…

  26. Fans of the Steelers, Colts, Ravens and a few other teams have simply lost the ability to evaluate the Patriots objectively, so their opinions on anything related to the team are meaningless.

  27. This guy would love to have three more super bowl wins over the last five years for the Colts. Who’s he kidding? Now, a team has to win three in a row to be considered the greatest? The Packers won championships in leagues comprised of no more than 14 teams. There was no salary cap or free agency either. They had no replays to review questionable catches. Sure, there were a lot fewer penalties, but players are bigger, stronger, and faster than ever before.

  28. magnumpimustache says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:10 pm

    Sick and tired of hearing anything about how the packers being the greatest of all time regarding the early years.

    They played 10 games in a season and 1 playoff game to be labeled the greatest. Against some teams who don’t even exist anymore or you never even heard of.

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    Where does it say that? Seems like you subconsciously inferred that they are the greatest.

    Regardless, here’s a fact: The NFL counts championships going back to 1920 when it started. You may not like it, your team may not have been around then, but teams played championships according to the rules then as now. Football didn’t suddenly change in 1966. “Super Bowl” is just a name for the championship game.

  29. Best line (and true) of the article

    Patriots have cracked the code on how to consistently kick everyone else’s asses, and that DRIVES EVERYONE ELSE CRAZY

  30. Parity is a fact of life in the NFC. In the 18 years since the Patriots made a joke of parity in the AFC in the NFC parity has ruled.

    Over that period, all things being equal, you would expect 5 teams to not reached the Super Bowl, 6 teams to reach it once, 3.4 teams to reach it twice, 1.2 teams to reach it 3 times and 0.4 teams to reach it 4 times.

    The actual numbers are 4=none (Detroit, Minnesota, Dallas and Washington), 7=once (Chicago, Green Bay, Tampa Bay, Arizona, Atlanta, New Orleans and San Francisco, 4=twice (Giants, Carolina, Rams and Philadelphia) and 1=3 (Seattle).

    I call that parity.

  31. 72 Phins didn’t win 19 in a row. 72 Phins weren’t really even that good. Undefeated shorter season, yes. Greatest team ever…not hardly. As for Irsay, he’s just an clown.

  32. steelcurtainn says:
    February 9, 2019 at 2:41 pm
    How did they cheat?
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    They cheated, without going into detail, they were fined, had draft picks taking away, and qb suspended. Fans won’t say they cheated but evidence shows they did, film opposing tea,s, deflate balls. Read upon it.

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    So let me see if I have this straight. The NFL (twice) was asked by judge in a court of law if there was any evidence of tampering with footballs. They said NO. But YOU have evidence? Why didn’t you come forth with the evidence when they were in court? I don’t understand. Unless you with-held the evidence to support the Patriots?

  33. The Broncos owner, Pat Bowlen, approved paying John Elway and Terrell Davis additional money under the table to circumvent the salary cap during the 2 Super Bowl years. Now THAT’S cheating.

    Oh, and BTW, all three are in the NFL’s Hall of Fame. Go figure.

  34. The Steelers won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years in the 1970s. They have a bunch of hall of famers on both offense and defense. In comparison, the Patriots do not have as many talented individuals in their current roster. Even if the Patriots can win 4 of 6 Super Bowls, they would still not be better than the Steelers. I am not a Steeler fan, but looking back, they just had loads of talent that no team has equaled. The Cowpies of the 90s were also very talented, more so than the Patriots, as they won 3 Super Bowls and have a bunch of Hall of Famers.

  35. omeimontis says:
    February 9, 2019 at 4:46 pm

    The Steelers won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years in the 1970s. They have a bunch of hall of famers on both offense and defense. In comparison, the Patriots do not have as many talented individuals in their current roster. Even if the Patriots can win 4 of 6 Super Bowls, they would still not be better than the Steelers. I am not a Steeler fan, but looking back, they just had loads of talent that no team has equaled. The Cowpies of the 90s were also very talented, more so than the Patriots, as they won 3 Super Bowls and have a bunch of Hall of Famers.

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    You can’t mention those 70s Steelers teams without mentioning the 70s Raiders teams. The Raiders played the Steelers in the playoffs 5 consecutive seasons from 1972-76, winning 2 out of 5. The Immaculate Reception could just as easily been called the Raiders way. Then there is the 1975 playoff game when the Pittsburgh groundskeepers iced the field to give an advantage to the cold weather Steelers who won another very close game 16-10. While the Raiders defeated the Steelers convincingly in their 2 playoff wins 33-14 and 24-7. The Raiders could have very easily been that team who won 4 Super Bowls.

    The 70s Raiders also ended the Dolphins Super Bowl streak at 2 with the “Sea of Hands” play.
    Coach John Madden (1969-1978) still has the highest winning percentage in NFL history (coaches with 100 games) at .759 with a 103-32-7 record.

  36. Texanfan62 calling Irsay a joke hahahahaha the same Irsay whose team is 27-8 against the pee wee Texans all time and annihilated them 21-7 in Houston in the playoffs. Wow that sure is a joke.

  37. Troll Destroyer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 2:04 pm
    A) Anyone still clinging to the “Patriots cheat” narrative is being a toddler.

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    Just wondering why this year’s Superbowl MVP missed the first 4 games of the season, was he injured or something?

  38. jimmylikesthat says:
    February 9, 2019 at 5:05 pm

    Steelcurtain, the Steelers were accused twice of deflating balls.

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    I’m pretty sure it was the Steelers who accused the Raiders twice of deflating balls before the Steelers kicked field goals and writing Raiders across the flattened footballs.

    Former Packer and Steelers Head Coach Chuck Noll also accused the Raiders of being a criminal element. A fiasco which ended up in the courtroom amidst a multi million dollar lawsuit. Steeler Mel Blount filed a $5 million dollar suit and threatened to never play for Noll again as well.

  39. The Broncos owner, Pat Bowlen, approved paying John Elway and Terrell Davis additional money under the table to circumvent the salary cap during the 2 Super Bowl years. Now THAT’S cheating.

    Oh, and BTW, all three are in the NFL’s Hall of Fame. Go figure.
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    Do you know how many players are getting paid “Under the table?” Try that team GOAT team up north east.

  40. “The Steelers won 4 Super Bowls in 6 years in the 1970s. They have a bunch of hall of famers on both offense and defense. In comparison, the Patriots do not have as many talented individuals in their current roster. Even if the Patriots can win 4 of 6 Super Bowls, they would still not be better than the Steelers. I am not a Steeler fan, but looking back, they just had loads of talent that no team has equaled.”

    I find it so rich when fans compare the Steelers to the Patriots. In addition, to the non-existant salary caps and non-free agency of those 70’s teams…Talk about tainted championships!… All 6 of the Steelers’ Super Bowl titles, including the last two, were fueled by heavy usage of steroids. There are books about it, confessions from now dead players about it, indictments and convictions over it… yet it was the Patriots that cheated. LOL LOL

  41. Rate This
    charliecharger says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:12 pm
    The Patriots have been caught cheating on multiple occasions, but most teams are cheating
    I think we found Irsays lost son

  42. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    February 9, 2019 at 5:20 pm

    Madden easily is the most overrated coach in NFL history, those teams were built by Al Davis.
    Madden lost 6 AFCCGs.

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    Yet Madden was 2-1 vs your Dolphins in the 1970s playoffs. Winning in the 1970 and 1974 playoffs (losing in ’73).

  43. binkystevens says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:05 pm
    Lombardi’s Packers. 5 in 7 years. That’s how you set the bar for greatest team of all time.

    You can’t be serious. Yes they were the best of that period of time as were the Browns prior to that. If one could time transport them to today they wouldn’t compete.

  44. babygaga19 says:
    February 9, 2019 at 5:29 pm
    The Broncos owner, Pat Bowlen, approved paying John Elway and Terrell Davis additional money under the table to circumvent the salary cap during the 2 Super Bowl years. Now THAT’S cheating.

    Oh, and BTW, all three are in the NFL’s Hall of Fame. Go figure.
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    Do you know how many players are getting paid “Under the table?” Try that team GOAT team up north east.

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    Really??? You’re just making stuff up. Anything to justify your irrational hate of the Patriots……thats just really sad.

  45. Sigbouncer…are you referring to that ’76 Raiders team that lost to the Patriots in a squeaker in Foxboro by the score of 48-17, then beat them with a big assist from Ben Dreith’s phantom spearing call on Sugar Bear Ray Hamilton in the playoffs…24-21 in Oakland. THAT greatest team of all time? As Larry The Cable Guy likes to say…”I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there…”

  46. steelcurtainn says:
    February 9, 2019 at 2:41 pm
    How did they cheat?
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    They cheated, without going into detail, they were fined, had draft picks taking away, and qb suspended. Fans won’t say they cheated but evidence shows they did, film opposing tea,s, deflate balls. Read upon it.

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    “Without going into detail” because you cant. The fact is that when the judge asked Goodell and Pash if they gad any evidence (not oroof, just even any evidrnce at all) there was thattampering had even taken place (not whether Brady was guilty but whether there was even any tampering he could have been guilty of) they admitted they had none. The judge even made them clarify that it was at flat zero.

    Bradys suspension was not because he was guilty but rather to establish that the CBA said that Goodell had the power to suspend him even if he wasn’t. (More on this when the next negotiation comes up)

  47. 24 of 32 teams had players suspended for PED’s in 2018…..including the Saints (2 players), Rams, and Chiefs….the other 3 teams in the final four.

    But its just the Pats doing it, riiiiigggghhhttt……..

  48. RGisvacuous says:
    February 9, 2019 at 5:54 pm
    Sigbouncer…are you referring to that ’76 Raiders team that lost to the Patriots in a squeaker in Foxboro by the score of 48-17, then beat them with a big assist from Ben Dreith’s phantom spearing call on Sugar Bear Ray Hamilton in the playoffs…24-21 in Oakland. THAT greatest team of all time? As Larry The Cable Guy likes to say…”I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there…”

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    I’m no Raiders fan, but that 76 team was fantastic. They lost 1 game, the game against the Pats. Great Oline, great QB, Bilitnikoff and branch, great defense…..give them credit

  49. Just when I think Jerry Jones has cornered the market for saying dumb things, Irsay sets the “dumb things bar” even higher.

    That said, I truly believe the Cowboys would have won three in a row if Jerry had swallowed his ego and not run off Jimmy Johnson.

  50. RGisvacuous says:
    February 9, 2019 at 5:54 pm

    Sigbouncer…are you referring to that ’76 Raiders team that lost to the Patriots in a squeaker in Foxboro by the score of 48-17, then beat them with a big assist from Ben Dreith’s phantom spearing call on Sugar Bear Ray Hamilton in the playoffs…24-21 in Oakland. THAT greatest team of all time? As Larry The Cable Guy likes to say…”I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there…”

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    Yeah we went 16-1. And when NFL.com announced the round robin Super Bowl tournament in 2012 we won that too and was named The Greatest Team Ever.

    You Pats fans sure to like to cry a lot. That’s too bad as there were some quality players on those mid-late 70s Patriots teams. Hannah, Gray, Sam Bam, Don Calhoun, Mike Haynes, Steve Nelson. Had what looked to be an up and coming team but just wasn’t meant to be. That (’76) was back when Grogan could still run.

  51. TruthfulDolphinsFanNotWearingBlinders says:
    February 9, 2019 at 2:18 pm
    The 1972 Miami Dolphins are still to this day the greatest pro sports team ever.
    NO ONE else has ever gone undefeated to win a title and NO ONE else ever will, in addition the Dolphins did it with a backup QB to boot.

    Case Closed!
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    Weird a guy “not wearing blinders” is so blind.

  52. Here is something for Irsay and everyone else to contemplate: The Colts, Ravens & Steelers collectively could not win three SBs in a row…. neither can the Rams, Saints & Packers

  53. They’ve tried, on multiple occasions, to replace “they’re simply much, much better at this than us” with “they cheat.”
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    Mmmkay, Florio.

    Brady makes bad situation worse by admitting to destroying phone

    Posted by Mike Florio on July 28, 2015, 4:01 PM EST

  54. sigbouncer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    You Pats fans sure to like to cry a lot.
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    What exactly is there to cry about? I can’t think of anything.

  55. The Patriots were a missed Gostkowski PAT (or Chris harper muffed punt in week 11) in the ’15 AFC title game…
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    Actually, they would have won the 2015 AFC title game if Belichick had just called for a field goal on one of the two opportunities where he went for it on 4th down when in field goal range.

  56. Irsay is just salty that his team didn’t get the GOAT gene when Josh McDaniel walked on his team. Teams want to clone the GOAT team. He just saw the Dolphins cornered the market.

  57. venomraider says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:35 pm
    1: Jim, Paul Brown on line 1. He already set THE unmatched standard for Greatest Ever. By your metric and every other metric.

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    I give you credit Raiders fan. It’s been a long time since you or your team was relevant. Don’t give up, your determination is quaint.

  58. sigbouncer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    Yeah we went 16-1. And when NFL.com announced the round robin Super Bowl tournament in 2012 we won that too and was named The Greatest Team Ever.
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    It’s such a ridiculous argument. A team from 1976 is the greatest ever? What did the lineman on that team weigh? 260? It’s like trying to argue that Jesse Owens was greater than Usain Bolt.

  59. scottishvike says:
    February 9, 2019 at 5:20 pm
    Troll Destroyer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 2:04 pm
    A) Anyone still clinging to the “Patriots cheat” narrative is being a toddler.

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    Just wondering why this year’s Superbowl MVP missed the first 4 games of the season, was he injured or something?

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    Ha ha…another toddler wetting his little diaper.

  60. carloswlassiter says:
    February 9, 2019 at 8:42 pm

    sigbouncer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    Yeah we went 16-1. And when NFL.com announced the round robin Super Bowl tournament in 2012 we won that too and was named The Greatest Team Ever.
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    It’s such a ridiculous argument. A team from 1976 is the greatest ever? What did the lineman on that team weigh? 260? It’s like trying to argue that Jesse Owens was greater than Usain Bolt.

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    Size was not a problem for that team. Across the offensive line we had three 6’5 Shell Upshaw Vella guys. Our tight end Casper was a 6’5 250lb All American tackle from Notre Dame. Our nose tackle Rowe was 6’7. Defensive end Sistrunk 6’6. Linebacker 6’7. Plenty of size to put on any additional weight.

  61. So let me see if I have this straight. The NFL (twice) was asked by judge in a court of law if there was any evidence of tampering with footballs.
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    Spin it how you want, but its about playing the game fair with some integrity. That which New England knows nothing about. You mean to tell me New England is innocent of all charges in Spygate and Deflategate. Did nothing wrong in either case. Don’t think so and I did read the reports. You won’t convince me or half of america. Where theres smoke theres fire and New England has been burned to the ground about this matter as long as their a franchise even with their sb wins.

  62. Size was not a problem for that team. Across the offensive line we had three 6’5 Shell Upshaw Vella guys. Our tight end Casper was a 6’5 250lb All American tackle from Notre Dame. Our nose tackle Rowe was 6’7. Defensive end Sistrunk 6’6. Linebacker Hendricks 6’7. Plenty of size to put on any additional weight.

    I forgot Matuszak the other defensive end at 6’8 and 285lbs.

  63. binkystevens says:
    February 9, 2019 at 1:05 pm
    Lombardi’s Packers. 5 in 7 years. That’s how you set the bar for greatest team of all time.
    *******************************************************************

    With all due respect, there were just 11 teams in the NFL at the merger. The Falcons were founded in 1965 and the Saints were founded in 1966 so really, there were only 8 other teams to beat for most of that run. They added those two expansion teams for the last year or two of the run. The Cowboys and Vikings were expansion teams in 1960 and 1961 respectively. It took them a while to ramp up, so they weren’t much competition either. All they really had to do was beat the Eagles, Redskins, Bears, Cardinals, Rams, and 49ers. They had no salary cap, no free agency, and little competition. It’s a cute story, once upon a time and all….but it’s not apples to apples.

  64. steelcurtainn says:
    February 9, 2019 at 9:02 pm
    So let me see if I have this straight. The NFL (twice) was asked by judge in a court of law if there was any evidence of tampering with footballs.
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    Spin it how you want, but its about playing the game fair with some integrity. That which New England knows nothing about. You mean to tell me New England is innocent of all charges in Spygate and Deflategate. Did nothing wrong in either case. Don’t think so and I did read the reports. You won’t convince me or half of america. Where theres smoke theres fire and New England has been burned to the ground about this matter as long as their a franchise even with their sb wins.

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    Colts ball were also deflated by weather.

    It’s not illegal to film the opposing teams sidelines – still not illegal today. Just can’t be done from your own sideline.

    Keep crying…love to see Steelers fans falling apart for the whole world to see. A once proud franchise reduced to rubble.

  65. Polian still tries to kick the Patriots to the curb every chance he gets too. Must be a real bummer to have been replaced by Ryan Grigson. It doesn’t seem likely that anyone would ever ask Irsay (or Polian) how to define GOAT, so of course it gets offered without anyone asking. Thanks for the “expert opinion” though….

  66. sigbouncer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    Size was not a problem for that team. Across the offensive line we had three 6’5 Shell Upshaw Vella guys. Our tight end Casper was a 6’5 250lb All American tackle from Notre Dame. Our nose tackle Rowe was 6’7. Defensive end Sistrunk 6’6. Linebacker Hendricks 6’7. Plenty of size to put on any additional weight.
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    What is all this? We’re not talking about how tall they are. Your argument seems to be they were the greatest team of all time IF given extra time to “bulk up”? The reality is that they were puny by today’s standards and would be run over by any modern NFL offensve line.

  67. carloswlassiter says:
    February 9, 2019 at 10:08 pm

    sigbouncer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    Size was not a problem for that team. Across the offensive line we had three 6’5 Shell Upshaw Vella guys. Our tight end Casper was a 6’5 250lb All American tackle from Notre Dame. Our nose tackle Rowe was 6’7. Defensive end Sistrunk 6’6. Linebacker Hendricks 6’7. Plenty of size to put on any additional weight.

    I forgot Matuszak the other defensive end at 6’8 and 285lbs.
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    What is all this? We’re not talking about how tall they are. Your argument seems to be they were the greatest team of all time IF given extra time to “bulk up”? The reality is that they were puny by today’s standards and would be run over by any modern NFL offensve line.

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    They are The Greatest Team Ever. The 64 team Super Bowl tournament was conducted in 2012 at NFL.com. The once and only time it’s been done to my knowledge. You don’t have to agree with it, but that doesn’t take away the fact of the matter that they are The Greatest Team Ever.

    Now as for the weight. If one is going to compare teams from different eras then there has to be some concessions to do an honest comparison. One concession would be under what rules set the game would be played under. If you haven’t seen the ’76 Raiders (and it sounds like you’re completely clueless about them) then I suggest you do a search and find some film on how vicious and physical they were under their rules set.

    Back to your weight issue. While the ’76 Raiders defensive line averaged about 275lbs. If they were in today’s era they would have all the same trainings and dietary plans of today’s teams. Thus at 6’5, 6’6, 6’7, 6’8 would have no troubles adding on any additional weight.

    Now if you wanna be stubborn about this with no concessions, then fine. We play the game under 1976 rules and your Patriots get crushed physically in the game and carried out on stretchers.

  68. steelcurtainn says:
    February 9, 2019 at 9:02 pm
    So let me see if I have this straight. The NFL (twice) was asked by judge in a court of law if there was any evidence of tampering with footballs.
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    Spin it how you want, but its about playing the game fair with some integrity. That which New England knows nothing about. You mean to tell me New England is innocent of all charges in Spygate and Deflategate. Did nothing wrong in either case. Don’t think so and I did read the reports. You won’t convince me or half of america. Where theres smoke theres fire and New England has been burned to the ground about this matter as long as their a franchise even with their sb wins.

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    The result of the NFL being asked (twice) whether they had any evidence that tampering had even taken place was no. They had zero. This was not a question whether they could prove it or whether they had anything on Brady at all. This question was whether they had even a single shred of evidence that anything had ever happened in the first place. Ant yet you are still trying to assign guilt when there wasn’t even a crime. So really its you doing the spinning here sir.

  69. Here’s a statistical method of determining the greatest ever Jim. There have been 53 Superbowls so far and the New England Patriots have appeared in 11 which equals 20% of the total. Brady/Belichick led teams are nine of those eleven for 17% of the Superbowls played. Brady has six rings, the most by any player, likely the most by any player, ever. I could go on about the eleventeen dozen other records the Pats have in regular and post season play, but it would likely just sail over your head like an errant Luck pass.

    So you now want to move the goal posts to a 3 consecutive win total? Against a team that motivated itself by arguing a lack of respect? Thank God you inherited your dad’s team Jim. I now have more faith in Al Davis’ kid to make sensible statements.

  70. Keep crying…love to see Steelers fans falling apart for the whole world to see. A once proud franchise reduced to rubble.
    ________________________________________________________________________________________ There isn’t no crying here. Steeler fans or its franchise will never fall apart. They are in contention most years and always will be. Remember who got to 6 first, the Steelers… and without controversy,(spygate, tuckrule, deflategate) like N.E. Lets see which team takes the next big step.

  71. sigbouncer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    They are The Greatest Team Ever. The 64 team Super Bowl tournament was conducted in 2012 at NFL.com. The once and only time it’s been done to my knowledge.
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    Yet in similar online ‘fan voting’ the Sporting News had the ’85 Bears, bspn had the ’72 Phins, there’s probably some site that has the 60’s Packers and one somewhere that convinces itself the 80’s Bills were the best. The results of that type of online fan voted silliness are probably more indicative of the higher unemployment rate among Raiders fans or posts on one of their fan sites mobilizing the vote than they are of anything resembling a football reality.

  72. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    February 10, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    sigbouncer says:
    February 9, 2019 at 9:04 pm

    They are The Greatest Team Ever. The 64 team Super Bowl tournament was conducted in 2012 at NFL.com. The once and only time it’s been done to my knowledge.
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    Yet in similar online ‘fan voting’ the Sporting News had the ’85 Bears, bspn had the ’72 Phins

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    Not similar at all.

    None of those sites did a round robin tournament with individual matchups of Super Bowl teams and voting for each game played thru the finals.

  73. commentawaitingdeletion says:
    February 10, 2019 at 1:31 pm

    The results of that type of online fan voted silliness are probably more indicative of the higher unemployment rate among Raiders fans or posts on one of their fan sites mobilizing the vote than they are of anything resembling a football reality.

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    If this were the case in the 2012 NFL.com Super Bowl round robin tournament then 2 of the 3 Raiders Super Bowl winning teams entered would have faced off against each other in the finals.

    The finals was the 2000 Ravens vs the 1976 Raiders won by Oakland.

  74. I see some Steelers fans have given up on their team and now just follow every Patriots-related thread. Sad… Used to be be such a proud organization.
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    We see the same thing on steelers threads from pats fans. Steelers organization is still proud. They practically win the division every year and have 6 legit superbowl rings. What’s there not to be proud of?

  75. steelcurtainn says:
    February 10, 2019 at 5:36 pm
    I see some Steelers fans have given up on their team and now just follow every Patriots-related thread. Sad… Used to be be such a proud organization.
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    We see the same thing on steelers threads from pats fans. Steelers organization is still proud. They practically win the division every year and have 6 legit superbowl rings. What’s there not to be proud of?

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    The thing is, this is a Colts thread. Yet you are the most featured poster on here after investing 30 hours and climbing into ranting about the Patriots. And the funny part is that the Colts are more the team your team needs to worry about right now.

  76. Sometimes there are few, or no words to describe how “unique” or alone someone is in his opinions. This is clearly one of those situations. I’m just glad a forum exists where this type of thought process can be exposed, and dissected and the originator can come face-to-face with his own ignorance.

  77. Jim Irsay. Didn’t get rich and buy a football team, he just grew up and inherited one. He started from the bottom as a baby, then worked his way up to preschooler, then grade school, junior high, and finished with appointments to high school and the college of his Daddy’s choice. And he EARNED that team, by knowing where his birth certificate was located and being able to spell his name while completely drunk. He’s a prize, for sure.

  78. steelcurtainn says:
    February 10, 2019 at 5:36 pm

    Steelers organization is still proud. They practically win the division every year and have 6 legit superbowl rings.
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    Does anyone besides steelcurtain think the Steelers so-called SB win over the Seahawks was “legit”? What about inventing the steroid era and winning a bunch of games because of it? About as legit as the East German womens swim team in the Olympics.

  79. We see the same thing on steelers threads from pats fans. Steelers organization is still proud. They practically win the division every year and have 6 legit superbowl rings. What’s there not to be proud of?

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    a qb who got away with sexual assault, a cheating coach who tries to trip players on the field with an embarrassingly immature leadership group?

  80. carloswlassiter says:
    February 10, 2019 at 7:24 pm

    Does anyone besides steelcurtain think the Steelers so-called SB win over the Seahawks was “legit”? What about inventing the steroid era and winning a bunch of games because of it?

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    Steelers vs Seahawks SB had some bad calls.

    No problem with the 1970s Steelers. Steroids are still ongoing today. The NFL may test a player as little as once per season or as much as six times per season. Steroids can be out of a persons system in anywhere from hours on up depending on what it taken and how much. Former Pats starting offensive lineman Nick Kaczur was never suspended for drugs and he cooperated in an FBI sting wearing a wire in order to avoid legal ramifications.

  81. My contention has always been that Deflategate arose because of sour grapes by the Colts – and then ex-Jet Goodell ran with it. Why? As a distraction during the playoffs. He and Kraft may play buddy-buddy, but really he was just trying to screw with the Pats and throw them off their game.

    And it didn’t work, AND it was a bunch of nonsense. If there was something to it, the report wouldn’t have been so underwhelming. It was a con with a predetermined outcome from the start. I’m not a Pats fan.

  82. lebricks306yxe says:
    February 9, 2019 at 12:45 pm
    What a guy.

    Irsay makes the colts tough to cheer for. I’ll never be a colts fan, but you hate some teams more than others. Irsay motivates hate for the colts.
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    I get that. I am a Colts fan and next to Luck’s comeback and the Colts having a better than expected season, the best thing about this season was Irsay mostly keeping his mouth shut.

  83. “Former Pats starting offensive lineman Nick Kaczur was never suspended for drugs and he cooperated in an FBI sting wearing a wire in order to avoid legal ramifications.”

    To be clear, the drug in question was not Steroids. It was a painkiller, oxycodone.

  84. sigbouncer says:
    February 10, 2019 at 8:50 am

    Now if you wanna be stubborn about this with no concessions, then fine. We play the game under 1976 rules and your Patriots get crushed physically in the game and carried out on stretchers.
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    So the puny 1976 guys would “crush” the bigger, strong, faster modern team? Sure, that makes sense. Look at athletes in any sport today vs 1976. There is no comparison. It’s not remotely close. The puny old guys would be driven into the ground by any modern NFL team.

  85. Always consider the source. I’ll never forget how he tried to explain away carrying tens of thousands of dollars in the trunk of his car as him being so generous he just never knew when he might give out a gigantic tip.

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