Vance Joseph wants to re-prove himself in Arizona

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Vance Joseph didn’t do a lot of winning with the Broncos over the last two years and that’s why his run as the team’s head coach ended after the 2018 season.

Joseph was not out of work long. He will be the defensive coordinator in Arizona this season and he said this week that he sees that job as a chance to rebuild positive opinions about his coaching ability after the disappointing run in Denver.

“When you’re fired and it’s said, ‘You’re not good enough,’ that hurts,” Joseph said, via the Cardinals website. “I wanted a job where I could go in and put my scheme in, the 3-4 attack scheme, and have a chance to re-prove myself. That’s the bottom line.”

Joseph said having two good corners and two good pass rushers is the foundation of his defense and the Cardinals tried to address both areas this week. They signed cornerback Robert Alford and defensive end/linebacker Brooks Reed after they were released by the Falcons and the team has a chance to add another pass rushing piece to go with Chandler Jones with the first pick in the draft in April.

Having that pick is a sign that Joseph isn’t the only one trying to turn things around after a dismal year and getting that pick right would lift a lot of spirits in the desert.

43 responses to “Vance Joseph wants to re-prove himself in Arizona

  1. Lots of extremely good ACs fail as head coaches, but go back to being extremely good ACs. It’s not unusual to be promoted a step too high.

  2. Joseph wasn’t ready to be a head coach. He though he knew more than he actually knew and didn’t have anyone on his staff to help him with that. You can almost immediately tell how a first time head coach will do by looking at who he picks as his coordinators.

  3. I think he has a place in the NFL as a coordinator. To his credit, the Broncos fought hard all year and came back in games that could have easily been blowouts. He has something going as a motivator.

  4. Coming from a Broncos fan, he was probably the worst HC in franchise history. He could prove himself as a reliable DC, but being a HC, he always looked like a dear in headlights. All of his challenges were incredibly blinded, and his time management was probably as bad as anyone. There was a moment against the Texans where he decided to kick a 64 yard field goal with about 30 seconds left on the clock before halftime, only for them to miss it and the Texans made a field goal.

    I can go on and on, but the point is that he was really clueless and overwhelmed as a HC.

  5. Coming from a Broncos fan, he was probably the worst HC in franchise history. He could prove himself as a reliable DC, but being a HC, he always looked like a dear in headlights. All of his challenges were incredibly blinded, and his time management was probably as bad as anyone. There was a moment against the Texans where he decided to kick a 64 yard field goal with about 30 seconds left on the clock before halftime, only for them to miss it and the Texans made a field goal.

    I can go on and on, but the point is that he was really clueless and overwhelmed as a HC.
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    Well said.

  6. Best wishes to Vance. No it didn’t work out here (from the beginning) but he seemed like a really good man throughout. Hope he rebounds as an effective DC and I wish him well.

  7. Everyone wants to blame the coach for the Broncos mess when the real problem is Elway. Fire him and get a GM who can find and develop a Q and your problem is solved

  8. Vance, you don’t have to prove anything to anyone. John Elway has taken the place of Dan Snyder, and Jed York as the most incompetent football person in the NFL. Elway had us fooled for a little while when Peyton Manning was running the show, but as soon as Peyton left and Elway has been running the show, it’s basically become impossible to win in Denver. Elway has zero idea about how to evaluate QB’s, or that it takes them a couple years to figure it out.

  9. How quick people forget that are calling Elway a bad GM. He built the best offense in the league and watched that team lose the SuperBowl to the best defense in the league. So he went out and built the best defense in the league within two years and won the Superbowl. He has struck out on QB’s lately, but that’s how this league works, it’s not easy.

  10. You forget how Elway built the best offense in the league and watched it lose to the best defense in the league. So he adapted, and built the best defense in the league within 2 years and won the Superbowl. If it was easy picking a QB, we could all be GM’s. He will find that guy and do it again.

  11. The Cardinals needed to return to the 3-4, and Joseph knows how to do that well. This was a good hire by the Cards and the defense will be better as a result.

  12. Joseph said having two good corners and two good pass rushers is the foundation of his defense…

    Vance, you had two very good corners (Talib 2017/Harris) and multiple good pass rushers (Miller, Barrett, Chubb 2018). How’d that work out?

    Denver fan

  13. How he got the job in Denver, I could never figure out, because his stint with the Dolphins as DC was not impressive

  14. There have been a few excellent defensive coordinators and also offensive coordinators who were promoted to be head coaches, but they simply couldn’t do the job. For example, Buddy Ryan was a great defensive coordinator for the Bears in the 80s but he couldn’t win often enough as a head coach. Wade Phillips is another example. Norv Turner did good jobs as offensive coordinators with several teams but he simply couldn’t win as a head coach.

  15. bottlenose1957 says:
    February 10, 2019 at 6:14 pm

    How he got the job in Denver, I could never figure out, because his stint with the Dolphins as DC was not impressive
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    This. He was bad as a HC, but he is not really good as a DC either.

  16. How about the Broncos and the fans just admit that the team lacks talent. It’s not the coach, it’s the guys running the draft and free agency. This was years in the making when they sold the farm for that Super Bowl run.

  17. @Dillon Pauls says:
    February 10, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    Coming from a Broncos fan, he was probably the worst HC in franchise history. He could prove himself as a reliable DC, but being a HC, he always looked like a dear in headlights. All of his challenges were incredibly blinded, and his time management was probably as bad as anyone. There was a moment against the Texans where he decided to kick a 64 yard field goal with about 30 seconds left on the clock before halftime, only for them to miss it and the Texans made a field goal.

    I can go on and on, but the point is that he was really clueless and overwhelmed as a HC.
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    In the instance of the FG, his mistake was believing that McManus…you know the guy with powerful leg that made 60 yard FGs routine…would make the FG.

  18. @campcouch says:
    February 10, 2019 at 7:01 pm
    How about the Broncos and the fans just admit that the team lacks talent. It’s not the coach, it’s the guys running the draft and free agency. This was years in the making when they sold the farm for that Super Bowl run.
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    Well, wel, well…an honest assessment.

  19. @rsoandb says:
    February 10, 2019 at 5:59 pm
    Joseph said having two good corners and two good pass rushers is the foundation of his defense…

    Vance, you had two very good corners (Talib 2017/Harris) and multiple good pass rushers (Miller, Barrett, Chubb 2018). How’d that work out?
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    He might have done better if he had Tim Tebow at QB.

  20. He may still have a shot as a HC in the NFL in a few years. I remember thinking there was no way Belichick or Pete Carroll would be successful head coaches after their Cleveland and NY Jet coaching stops, respectively. One turned out to be the best HC of all time and the other a pretty decent Super Bowl winning coach.

  21. Arizona’s defense should quickly climb back into top 10 territory under VJ now that they’re going back to running the Hybrid 3-4 defense their defensive roster was built to run, Wilks was rather stupid to try and take a top 5 hybrid 3-4 defense and run his 4-2 scheme which Arizona did not have the LB’s to deploy which is why they struggled so badly against the run in 2018.

    Next season the Cardinals pass rush will be absolutely terrifying w/ elite top shelf pass rusher Chandler Jones paired up w/ Nick Bosa and a stable of rotational pass rushers behind them in Markus Golden (capable of 10+ sacks now healthy), Benson Mayowa who’s good for 5-6 sacks along w/ DE Brooks Reed & ILB Hasson Reddick also excels rushing the QB off the edge. The Cardinals D-Line has multiple very good interior pass rushers in DT Robert Nkimdiche, DT Rodney Gunter, Corey Peters is more of a run defender, DT Olsen Pierre and all will be far better against the run in a 3-4though they likely add a run stopping DT. The secondary is loaded with Pro-Bowl caliber elite talent and should get their hands on a lot of balls next season with the caliber of pass rush they have up front w/ arguably the best overall #1CB in the NFL in Patrick Peterson, #2CB Robert Alford, I think they’ll resign CB David Amerson as depth and draft a guy w/ Pro-Bowl caliber SS DJ Swearinger & Pro-Bowl caliber Safety/SCB Budda Baker who’s still developing as good as he is and no where near his overall peak. Antoine Bethea is still playing at a high level but I think Arizona either moves on from him or he takes a pay cut.

    The Cardinals have a lot of talent defensively. Before Wilks got there Arizona was a top 5 ranked defense/DVOA 3 straight years from 2015-2017 & should climb back into the top 10 no problem as one of the better pass rushing n pass defending defense in the league with minimal upgrades/additions to that defense. That defense will HELP the offense tremendously next season to keeping the scores down & giving their offense good field position much more often this season. Joseph was a great hire given what the Cardinals want to do defensively.

  22. TheGuru says:
    February 10, 2019 at 10:44 pm
    @campcouch says:
    February 10, 2019 at 7:01 pm
    How about the Broncos and the fans just admit that the team lacks talent. It’s not the coach, it’s the guys running the draft and free agency. This was years in the making when they sold the farm for that Super Bowl run.
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    Well, wel, well…an honest assessment.
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    Nah, both can be true. dwindling talent and a crappy coach. He was hired in Miami as the DC and promptly provided the worst defense in franchise history and he somehow turned that dreadful performance into a HC gig in Denver. It doesn’t happen often but many Miami fans applauded when he got poached off the staff.

  23. “Sold the farm for the Superbowl run”…..Yeah Well, it worked. They DID win the Superbowl. I dont really know what you mean by “selling the farm”. Sure they signed Manning (for less than what i think someone just gave Kirk Cousins)…I guess what im getting at here is Elway has done just fine as a GM. 2 superbowl appearances, 1 win, and several AFC West championships. All in like 6 years? Yeah, he is the problem. DUMB. VJ was a TERRIBLE coach. He cam from the Marvin Lewis coaching tree!! I will admit though, his hire was ELWAY’s fault.

  24. TheGuru says:
    February 10, 2019 at 10:44 pm
    @campcouch says:
    February 10, 2019 at 7:01 pm
    How about the Broncos and the fans just admit that the team lacks talent. It’s not the coach, it’s the guys running the draft and free agency. This was years in the making when they sold the farm for that Super Bowl run.
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    Bronco fan here. The Broncos have some nice pieces but need much more than they have. And to address the rest of your message, the Broncos blasted out their salary cap max 3 years ago to win a SB. Show me a team that wouldnt.

  25. “Nah, both can be true. dwindling talent and a crappy coach. He was hired in Miami as the DC and promptly provided the worst defense in franchise history and he somehow turned that dreadful performance into a HC gig in Denver. It doesn’t happen often but many Miami fans applauded when he got poached off the staff.”

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    True but had they known how bad Burke was going to be, they would have begged VJ to stay.

  26. raggard says:
    February 11, 2019 at 12:53 pm
    “Nah, both can be true. dwindling talent and a crappy coach. He was hired in Miami as the DC and promptly provided the worst defense in franchise history and he somehow turned that dreadful performance into a HC gig in Denver. It doesn’t happen often but many Miami fans applauded when he got poached off the staff.”

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    True but had they known how bad Burke was going to be, they would have begged VJ to stay.
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    I just wanted a real DC. Gase hired guys with minimal experience because he feared somebody already accomplished could threaten his job security. He still is. Look at his DC. Williams is accomplished but he is no threat to Gase. That dude instantly turned the Browns around by playing the right guys. They were exciting and dangerous. He had the Browns playing better than they have in over a decade and yet he couldn’t get a single interview when almost a third of the league was looking for a HC. That’s why Gase hired him. That is what many young HCs do. McVay is an aberration in LA.

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