Joe Flacco’s stats have been below average for four straight years

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It’s been a long time since Joe Flacco played like an elite quarterback.

Flacco, who will be traded from the Ravens to the Broncos, has had below-average numbers for four consecutive years. Here’s how Flacco’s passer rating compares to the league average passer rating in each of the last four seasons:

2018: Flacco 84.2, NFL average 92.9.
2017: Flacco 80.4, NFL average 86.9.
2016: Flacco 83.5, NFL average 89.3.
2015: Flacco 83.1, NFL average 90.2.

Only two quarterbacks in the NFL have thrown 300 or more passes and had a below-average passer rating each of the last four seasons: Blake Bortles and Flacco.

Broncos General Manager John Elway has spent a long time looking for another franchise quarterback after Peyton Manning’s retirement, and he still hasn’t found one. If Flacco is finally going to be the answer, he’s going to have to play a whole lot better than he has the last four years.

97 responses to “Joe Flacco’s stats have been below average for four straight years

  1. Denver is going to be sorry for making this trade. Flacco is a faded QB who had that one good year and never again lived up to his potential. Elway is probably going to have to find another line of work soon, because he’s not able to come up with a good QB for the team.

  2. Joe is a class guy who will be missed in Baltimore.

    That being said, until Brady retires does it matter who your QB is if your an AFC team.

  3. Yes, it’s been a long time since Flacco has been elite. As in never.

    Had a nice, four game playoff run, that began with an exceptionally lucky heave and toss. But beyond that, guy has been decidedly average, or below it, his entire career.

  4. Not like Flacco had a ton of good weapons to throw to in Baltimore. An aging Steve Smith, a one trick pony Mike Wallace, an injured Jeremy Maclin along with Michael Crabtree, John Brown and Willie Snead this year. I’m going to play wait and see on Flacco. Sanders (assuming they keep him), Sutton and Hamilton are better than what he has had in Baltimore the past few years.

  5. Joe Flacco is not a Franchise quarterback at this point in his career. Moreover he’s got enough money to retire and should do so. Finding Peyton Manning to win the Super Bowl seems to have confused the John Elway vision for a quarterback.

  6. Elway may or may not be good at his job. He did bring a SB to Denver so he can’t be that bad. But…the QBs he has selected…wow.

    But now look at it from the other side. Leaving out the non-needy teams, who really does any better? JAX re-signs Bortles. MIN bet the farm on a very bad Kirk Cousins (Twitter Vikes troll his giveaway and say he should give himself away. SKOL!). Until drafting Darnold who knows what the Jets were doing.

    Draft is a crap shoot (see Josh Rosen). More than half the teams have “franchise QBs” who are not (Stafford, Trubisky, Tannehill, and the list goes on). Teams bank a buck on hope that a one year wonder will pan out.

    Elway isn’t the only one.

  7. What has he had to throw to tho? Till this year there really wasn’t that much over the last 5 years. He had a passed his time Steve Smith and nothing at RB.

  8. promickey says:
    February 14, 2019 at 5:58 am
    Joe Flacco is not a Franchise quarterback at this point in his career. Moreover he’s got enough money to retire and should do so. Finding Peyton Manning to win the Super Bowl seems to have confused the John Elway vision for a quarterback.\

    When people talk about system qbs Manning & Denver should be front of mind. PM had little to do with their success. (Insert name) could have played QB for them and they still would have won.

  9. Flacco has never been an elite QB. He got paid based on one playoff run.

    Only 2 seasons with a rating over 90 (best 93.6)
    His TD: INT ratio is terrible. 212 TD : 136 TD-

    Now add an injury history and age and this move looks even worse

  10. 55ballsohard55 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 5:31 am

    Joe is a class guy who will be missed in Baltimore.

    That being said, until Brady retires does it matter who your QB is if your an AFC team.
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    If you are the Broncos: Yes! The only team Brady has a losing record against, 1-3 in the playoffs.

  11. Amazing a guy who was 106-72 over the course of the games he started gets shat on. Here’s what the Ravens did to Joe after he won Super Bowl 47. Signed him to a 6 Yr, $120 Million contract and allowed the narrative of said contract to be their excuse as to why they struggled to put a decent offense around him.

    His cap number in 2012 was $8 Million. Cap number in 2013, first year of new deal was $6.8 Million. So the Ravens trade his best WR, Anquan Boldin. Then they patchwork an offensive line together with Gino Gradkowski as Center, AQ Shipley at guard.

    The worst they did by Flacco was after Kubiak left for Denver, was saddle Joe with Mark Trestman and Marty Mornhinwig as his OC with WR mostly unable to be the number 4 wr on most teams, except Steve Smith.

    Since 2012, the Ravens used a total of four out 17 draft picks in rounds 1-3 on Offensive players. One of those players was Breshad Perriman. Another of those players was Lamar Jackson.

    The morale is, yes Joe has struggled but if you know the Ravens they have not exactly done their part to protect their investment at QB. They bought luxury Acura and didn’t buy any insurance.

  12. Wouldn’t be very excited if I was a Bronco’s fan. Aside from Elway getting Manning for a few years his pretty terrible at scouting QB’s to lead a team.

  13. objectivefbfan says:
    February 14, 2019 at 6:05 am
    Elway may or may not be good at his job. He did bring a SB to Denver so he can’t be that bad. But…the QBs he has selected…wow.

    But now look at it from the other side. Leaving out the non-needy teams, who really does any better? JAX re-signs Bortles. MIN bet the farm on a very bad Kirk Cousins (Twitter Vikes troll his giveaway and say he should give himself away. SKOL!). Until drafting Darnold who knows what the Jets were doing.

    Draft is a crap shoot (see Josh Rosen). More than half the teams have “franchise QBs” who are not (Stafford, Trubisky, Tannehill, and the list goes on). Teams bank a buck on hope that a one year wonder will pan out.

    Elway isn’t the only one.
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    See Josh Rosen?? The kid has one year in the NFL playing behind by far the worst OL w/ nothing around him w/ a trash OC who did him no favors as NO quarterback was pressured more often (37.2%), threw into a tight window more often (21.6%), or had a lower expected completion percentage (59.4%)—based on the difficulty of the throw—than Josh Rosen did in 2018. He wasnt set-up for sucess yet given the situation he was showed a ton of potential and talent showing everything u want to see in a QB.
    This off-season is all about Josh Rosen for the Cardinals which is why they went out and got an offensive staff w/ a QB friendly system & they have a lot of resources w/ a lot of cap space & 12 draft picks to address their offensive issues fixing the OL & giving him more weapons to throw to in the passing game. With much more around him this year in a modern offense built to maximize his strengths Josh Rosen will be much better in 2019.

  14. Maybe the big money Joe was making is why couldn’t perform the last four years. Just ask Chris Davis of the Orioles about the pressure of performing under a big contract.

  15. Passer rating? Two quick facts about passer rating:

    A qb could throw 10 interceptions in a game and have a 100 rating, look it up.

    Joe Montana is not in the top 10 all time passer rating, Tony Romo is.

  16. That being said, until Brady retires does it matter who your QB is if your an AFC team.

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    If the Chiefs can put together even a middle of the road defense, I’m pretty sure the reigning regular season MVP matters.

  17. Here’s how Flacco …compares to the league average passer rating …last four seasons:
    2018: Flacco 84.2, NFL average 92.9.
    2017: Flacco 80.4, NFL average 86.9.
    2016: Flacco 83.5, NFL average 89.3.
    2015: Flacco 83.1, NFL average 90.2.
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    Dude, the reason I call him “Average Joe” is because HIS ENTIRE CAREER av is just 84.1.

  18. Flacco was productive in Cam Camerons Air Coryell and in Kubiaks version of the wco

    His stats took a dip under Marc Trestman and Marty morning wig, no surprise there. Particularly when you take into account that he didn’t have a deep threat post Torrey Smith until John Brown this year four five or six games

    Being that they only gave up a fourth, this is a good deal for the Broncos. No guarantee money slash future dead money against their cap. Year-to-year with a quarterback that, like it or not, has always been good in the playoffs but been with a decrepit team hasn’t been able to make it there in 4 years

    As a Ravens fan, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Flacco succeed with the Broncos while the Ravens struggled during the Lamar era. Gimmick offenses don’t work long-term. Give me a pocket passer

  19. thanks, you know what else has been below average the last 4 years? Ravens wide receivers, tight ends, running backs and o-line.

    Bad drafts have forced this team to bring in free agents (weddle, tony jefferson, mike wallace, john brown, michael crabtree, ben watson) and let their O-line talent walk (Jensen, Osemele, Wagner)

  20. freedomofspeechyesway says:
    February 14, 2019 at 7:15 am
    Passer rating? Two quick facts about passer rating:

    A qb could throw 10 interceptions in a game and have a 100 rating, look it up.

    Joe Montana is not in the top 10 all time passer rating, Tony Romo is.
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    1. A QB could throw 10 interceptions in the game and have a 100 passer rating. Correct.
    Passer Rating has four components. Compoments have maximum and minimum contributions. Maximum passer rating is 158.3 not 100. And a QB can throw a bunch of interceptions and get a 0 in the interception category and still get a rating of over a 100.
    Example: A QB with 40 attempts 30 completions 5 TD and 5 Interceptions has a passer rating of 106. And incidentally that would be the same rating that if he threw 4 interceptions because he would be at 0 with four interceptions in 40 attempts. Any additional interceptions would not affect his passer rating because he is at the minimum.
    2. Joe Montana is not top 10 in career Passer Rating. Correct. His career passer rating of 92.3 ranks 13th. That is very good because he retired in 1994 and passer rating improves every year. The top four QB in career passer rating are playing today. (Rodgers, Wilson. Brees and Brady).
    Passer rating is not perfect and measures the passing offense as a whole, not just the QB. But passer rating correlates strongly with team success.

  21. Flacco is better than what most people commenting here realize. My fear for him is that he’s walking into a similar situation in Denver: aging/not great O line and a suspect WR corps. Lindsay has real promise but unless Joe gets time to throw he will not be effective. I wish Joe well.

  22. If you are the Broncos: Yes! The only team Brady has a losing record against, 1-3 in the playoffs.

    6 7 Rate This
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    lol

    The Pats limped into Denver with B Squads in 2013 and 2015.

  23. The Pats limped into Denver with B Squads in 2013 and 2015.
    …………………
    Yea sure, Broncos won first seed in conference with Brock Osweiler starting half their games.

  24. arclight1972 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 8:19 am
    Elway is trying to prolong his tenure by a year.
    He should just suck it up , have a bad year, and draft a QB.

    Paxton Lynch hurt him.
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    Elway’s Broncos have had bad years over the last two, they’ve sucked the last couple seasons. Last year was the year to draft a QB, Josh Rosen fits perfectly into the offense they’re looking to run this year, Josh Allen has a cannon w/ the arm to cut through that Denver winter wind, they could of traded up w/ the Giants and stole Sam Darnold from the Jets. In 2016 they could of traded up and drafted Mahomes or Watson instead of taking a flier on Paxton Lynch w/ a late first round pick & I believe they traded up to pick him if my memory is correct.
    This year the Broncos are picking 10th, still need a QB & they’re are multiple prospects available who fit what they’re looking for in a QB. Elway is said to love QB Drew Lock and QB Dwayne Haskins is a big, athletic pocket passer w/ a strong arm . Joe Flacco is a below average injury prone QB at this point, if the Bronco’s pass on a QB yet again ownership really needs to reevaluate their relationship w/ John Elway as he is seriously mismanaging the most important position in professional sports. They cant keep wasting money on a stop gap QB’s paying right around $26M this year in guaranteed money to both Joe Flacco and Case Keenum after wasting almost $20M last year on a #2QB who Elway drastically overpaid.

  25. Maybe he is just thinking of using Flacco in the playoffs? Honestly and I’m not trolling, what if Keenum beats out Flacco for the job?

    Oh and to the guy above who mentioned about throwing 10 picks in a game and still have a 100 rating. You are high. Just the other day I made it my duty to finally learn the math equation to calculate QBs rating and I can assure you that unless you manage to throw 200 passes on a game that is simply not possible.

  26. With this move Elway is clearly doing everything he can to ensure that he remains the best quarterback in Broncos’ history.

  27. I never thought Flacco was close to being an elite QB. He just never had the “it” factor to me. We all know that it’s much easier to put up big stats as a QB in the NFL now that it has ever been.
    To me, the biggest factor in evaluating a QB is the eye test. Any NFL fan worth his salt who has followed the game for a long time knows an elite QB when he sees one. In my opinion, the elite QB’s in the NFL are Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers. I will add Patrick Mahomes to that group based on his rookie year, but I’d like him to do it for a while before I call him elite. I think Andrew Luck would be an elite QB too had injuries not derailed his career. And Ben Roethlisberger has done a lot of good things in his career, too.
    Everyone else is a notch or two below those guys, in my opinion, including Flacco. The bottom line is, which QB’s would you want if you had one game to win with less than two minutes on the clock and no timeouts? I would take any of the guys I named over everyone else — including Flacco. In fact, I doubt if anyone would say they’d want Flacco over those guys.

  28. gllmiaspr says: “But passer rating correlates strongly with team success.”
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    Flacco was 96-67 (.588) as a starter for the Ravens. Other than the Patriots and Steelers, who else has won this consistently in the past 11 years?

  29. What a coincidence…John Elway’s performance as GM has been (well) below average for four straight years.

  30. bullogne says: “Yea sure, Broncos won first seed in conference with Brock Osweiler starting half their games.”
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    Brock Osweiler actually played great in those games – enough to lock in a 4yr $72m contract. We know it was fools’ gold now, but back in 2015 he looked like the real deal, at least better than noodle-arm Manning.

  31. As soon as Flacco got paid after that SB win, his game disappeared. Elway knows this, so…what is he thinking? Add the fact that Flacco has aged and you have another Elway swing and a miss at QB.

  32. As the bar continues to drop in Denver.

    What new lows will be reached this season?

    Elway’s QB legacy is being decimated by ineptitude as GM. Just plain bad.

  33. I hope Joe does well in Denver. No doubt he was paid more than he produced but i think the new kid is going to flame out. Running QB’S always get hurt and if you don’t have a QB that can make all the throws, defenses will figure him out and stop him.

  34. Here’s how Flacco and Keenum’s passer ratings compare to the league average passer rating in each of the last four seasons:

    2018: Flacco 84.2, Keenum 47.9, NFL average 92.9.
    2017: Flacco 80.4, Keenum 74.3, NFL average 86.9.
    2016: Flacco 83.5, Keenum 37.1, NFL average 89.3.
    2015: Flacco 83.1, Keenum 39.4, NFL average 90.2.

    Flacco may not be a world beater but he is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Keenum.

  35. I love how some people here don’t correlate thebravens having worse players post 2012 with the fact that Flacco began taking a huge part of the salary cap compared to his rookie deal.

    Flacco easily could win a sb on a team like the 2017 Jags or 2018 Rams. The problem is assembling that talent when your qb is taking a massive cap share.

  36. bradygirl12 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 9:36 am
    As soon as Flacco got paid after that SB win, his game disappeared.

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    So did his offensive weapons. I will say this, Flacco has proven to be a guy who actually plays better in the postseason. He has proven (unlike Ben, Mahommes, etc) to be a guy who can actually go into Foxboro and beat Tom Brady and the Pats.

  37. objectivefbfan says:
    February 14, 2019 at 6:05 am
    Elway may or may not be good at his job. He did bring a SB to Denver so he can’t be that bad. But…the QBs he has selected…wow.

    But now look at it from the other side. Leaving out the non-needy teams, who really does any better? JAX re-signs Bortles. MIN bet the farm on a very bad Kirk Cousins (Twitter Vikes troll his giveaway and say he should give himself away. SKOL!). Until drafting Darnold who knows what the Jets were doing
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    Kirk Cousins last year: 4300 passing yards, 30tds-10ints, 99.7 qbr

    I don’t know why some people can’t ever offer a critique without going to the extreme. Cousins is not “very bad” by any definition. You can argue he’s overrated, you can argue he turns the ball over too much, you can even argue he shrinks in big moments but what you absolutely can’t say with a straight face or any knowledge of the game is that Cousins is “very bad”

  38. SWFLPC.INC says:
    February 14, 2019 at 10:03 am
    bradygirl12 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 9:36 am
    As soon as Flacco got paid after that SB win, his game disappeared.

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    So did his offensive weapons. I will say this, Flacco has proven to be a guy who actually plays better in the postseason. He has proven (unlike Ben, Mahommes, etc) to be a guy who can actually go into Foxboro and beat Tom Brady and the Pats.
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    You are a little quick to lump Mahomes in that category. He has only played one full season and in both games the offense played well enough to win.

  39. scothawk says:
    February 14, 2019 at 4:34 am
    In other news, the Ravens receiving corps has been well below average for 4 straight years….
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    Exactly. Flacco still has one of the better arms in the NFL and still throws a great deep ball. Give him some decent receivers and I think Broncos fans will be surprised at how far he can take their team. He is definitely an upgrade over Case. If Flacco were 34 and eligible for the draft and someone told you he would be available in the 4th round over half the teams in the NFL would take him.

  40. tylawspick6 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 8:20 am

    If you are the Broncos: Yes! The only team Brady has a losing record against, 1-3 in the playoffs.

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    lol

    The Pats limped into Denver with B Squads in 2013 and 2015.
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    So Brady did not play in those playoff games? Bady is the Pats A squad and is 1-3 in the playoffs with an overall losing record vs the Broncos.

  41. bjwbrown2011 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 9:56 am
    I love how some people here don’t correlate thebravens having worse players post 2012 with the fact that Flacco began taking a huge part of the salary cap compared to his rookie deal.

    Flacco easily could win a sb on a team like the 2017 Jags or 2018 Rams. The problem is assembling that talent when your qb is taking a massive cap share.

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    Ozzie Newsome. And arrogance. They literally sold their soul to hope to squeak by Kaep and SF in that SB, knowing Flacco was about to be a FA. They didn’t commit to him before the postseason, at say 12-14 mil per, a contract he would have jumped at for that time.

    Instead, Flacco catches fire for 12 TDs and 0 INTs and Ozzie has zero leverage.

    The contract then spiked the market, sending 75% of the NFL into cap hells or full on continuous rebuilds, over and over.

    And, here we are.

    I warned of it at the time, but all these kiddie fans who just play fantasy football and Madden video games, had no idea whatsoever what I was talking about there.

    You are much better off drafting 2 good QB prospects, signing another as an UDFA QB for your practice squad, and see where you after 2 seasons of unloading good players for picks, loading up on picks and trading back when in deeper drafts, or even trading out of a draft into a deeper draft.

    But, nope. These arrogant owners and GMs think you can build a SB contender in just 1-2 years, which means none of them have college degrees or have a clue.

  42. You know being a life long ravens/og browns fan and big time Ozzie Newsome fan, and him being a great GM. His one fault which has always been surprising considering he was an offensive player, he was pretty trash when it comes to building the WR corps and sometimes the Offense itself. When for 3 seasons all joe had was Steve Smith, While he’s great also, Smith couldn’t do everything. So you really can’t blame joe for mediocre stats, when Ozzie gave him nothing to work with.

  43. I don’t see Flacco as a significant upgrade over Keenum. Their issues weren’t really QB-related but offensive line and overall scheme. If they fix the line and come up with some plays the D can’t instantly read (which is what was happening the last 2+ seasons) any QB they have will look better.

  44. Soon people are going to forget that Elway was a great QB and instead remember what a terrible GM he is. The Broncos won’t get far with Flacco. Elway should have gone after Foles.

  45. You can criticize regular season Flacco, stats are what they are (how much attributable to lacking decent support, we’ll never know).

    But Flacco never withered in the playoff spotlight. I’ll bet Rams fans feel that more than anyone right now.

  46. bjwbrown2011 says: “I love how some people here don’t correlate thebravens having worse players post 2012 with the fact that Flacco began taking a huge part of the salary cap compared to his rookie deal.

    Flacco easily could win a sb on a team like the 2017 Jags or 2018 Rams. The problem is assembling that talent when your qb is taking a massive cap share.”
    ==========================

    One problem with your narrative – Flacco’s 2013-2015 salary cap number was structured to be very reasonable between $7m and $14m, yet talent was still lacking in those three years.

  47. jjackwagon says:
    February 14, 2019 at 10:16 am
    SWFLPC.INC says:
    February 14, 2019 at 10:03 am
    bradygirl12 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 9:36 am
    As soon as Flacco got paid after that SB win, his game disappeared.

    ———

    So did his offensive weapons. I will say this, Flacco has proven to be a guy who actually plays better in the postseason. He has proven (unlike Ben, Mahommes, etc) to be a guy who can actually go into Foxboro and beat Tom Brady and the Pats.
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    You are a little quick to lump Mahomes in that category. He has only played one full season and in both games the offense played well enough to win.

    ——

    His offense was shutout for the first half of the AFCCG. And his record is 0-2 right?

  48. 6thsense10 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 10:12 am
    objectivefbfan says:
    February 14, 2019 at 6:05 am
    Elway may or may not be good at his job. He did bring a SB to Denver so he can’t be that bad. But…the QBs he has selected…wow.

    But now look at it from the other side. Leaving out the non-needy teams, who really does any better? JAX re-signs Bortles. MIN bet the farm on a very bad Kirk Cousins (Twitter Vikes troll his giveaway and say he should give himself away. SKOL!). Until drafting Darnold who knows what the Jets were doing
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    Kirk Cousins last year: 4300 passing yards, 30tds-10ints, 99.7 qbr

    I don’t know why some people can’t ever offer a critique without going to the extreme. Cousins is not “very bad” by any definition. You can argue he’s overrated, you can argue he turns the ball over too much, you can even argue he shrinks in big moments but what you absolutely can’t say with a straight face or any knowledge of the game is that Cousins is “very bad”

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    What was his record against teams with winning records?

  49. jjackwagon says:
    February 14, 2019 at 9:55 am
    Here’s how Flacco and Keenum’s passer ratings compare to the league average passer rating in each of the last four seasons:

    2018: Flacco 84.2, Keenum 47.9, NFL average 92.9.
    2017: Flacco 80.4, Keenum 74.3, NFL average 86.9.
    2016: Flacco 83.5, Keenum 37.1, NFL average 89.3.
    2015: Flacco 83.1, Keenum 39.4, NFL average 90.2.

    Flacco may not be a world beater but he is a SIGNIFICANT upgrade over Keenum.

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    Did you actually look up the stats for Keenum because your numbers have no basis in reality.

    2018: Flacco 84.2, Keenum 81.2, NFL average 92.9.
    2017: Flacco 80.4, Keenum 98.3, NFL average 86.9.
    2016: Flacco 83.5, Keenum 76.4, NFL average 89.3.
    2015: Flacco 83.1, Keenum 87.7, NFL average 90.2.

    Average : Flacco 82.8, Keenum 85.9

    Using the actual numbers you can see why many view Flacco not to be an upgrade over Keenum. They are just rearranging the chairs.

  50. Lamar Jackson 2018 84.5
    League Average 92.9

    I get trading Flacco and moving on to Jackson from a cap and player management standpoint. But when you look at the onfield QB production of Lamar it’s easy to see that he is no better, he is inaccurate, has a 2:1 TD to INT ratio for his rookie year and is set up in a system that shortens a QB’s longevity and ability to stay healthy.

  51. Does anyone really believe Flacco is the long term answer? All this micro analysis is laughable. Flacco is at best a 1-2 year stop gap and allows Denver to draft a QB this year or even better next year when the QB talent is stronger.

  52. When you refuse to look or if you are not allowed to look, then you won’t find what you are looking for. Kap is available, and he is a much better QB than Flacco but Elway refuse to see him. Heck, even Case Keenum is better than Flacco. Teddy Bridgewater may also be available as free agent.

  53. seabrawk12 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 7:29 am
    That being said, until Brady retires does it matter who your QB is if your an AFC team.

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    If the Chiefs can put together even a middle of the road defense, I’m pretty sure the reigning regular season MVP matters.

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    In your hypothetical situation where the Chiefs get a middle of the road defense, are the Pats allowed to make any changes to their team to get better or are you assuming that they’re going lose all of their potential FAs, not be able to draft anyone, and have to play teams with only 30 guys on their roster?

    You see, the Pats have 5 of the top 100 picks in this years draft and are getting their 1st round pick from last year (Isaiah Wynn) back from injury. So, as a Pats fan, I’m pretty ok with the upcoming season.

  54. tylawspick6 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 8:20 am
    If you are the Broncos: Yes! The only team Brady has a losing record against, 1-3 in the playoffs.
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    The only team?
    I guess you are using Brady logic to say that they actually beat the Giants both times?

  55. omeimontis says:
    February 14, 2019 at 12:58 pm
    When you refuse to look or if you are not allowed to look, then you won’t find what you are looking for. Kap is available, and he is a much better QB than Flacco

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    What evidence or basis is there for your claim that Kaep is a much better QB than Flacco?

    This should be good

  56. Flacco has also been battling a busload of injuries over the 4 years. ACL/MCL tear with no training camp the following year. It takes awhile to recover from a knee reconstruction. He next missed an entire camp with a herniated disc — played through it. He was actually on pace for one of his better seasons when he went down with the hip injury. He is hot and cold to be sure – but when he is on he can light it up outside the numbers straight vertical. I always wondered how he would have faired if he ever had a true #1 WR. Smith and Boldin were great, but not in their primes when had them. If he had a Antonio, Julio Jones, Megatron or AJ Green – his numbers would be a whole lot better. Boldin, Torrey and Jacoby Jones were the best trio he had and he got a ring with them. He has not had a feature back since Rice was rightly kicked out of the league. If Joe had the offensive tools the Rothleisberger has had the past five years – he would not have wasted them with nothing to show for it like the Steelers did.

  57. I never thought Flacco was close to being an elite QB. He just never had the “it” factor to me. We all know that it’s much easier to put up big stats as a QB in the NFL now that it has ever been.
    To me, the biggest factor in evaluating a QB is the eye test. Any NFL fan worth his salt who has followed the game for a long time knows an elite QB when he sees one. In my opinion, the elite QB’s in the NFL are Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, and Aaron Rodgers. I will add Patrick Mahomes to that group based on his rookie year, but I’d like him to do it for a while before I call him elite. I think Andrew Luck would be an elite QB too had injuries not derailed his career. And Ben Roethlisberger has done a lot of good things in his career, too.
    Everyone else is a notch or two below those guys, in my opinion, including Flacco. The bottom line is, which QB’s would you want if you had one game to win with less than two minutes on the clock and no timeouts? I would take any of the guys I named over everyone else — including Flacco. In fact, I doubt if anyone would say they’d want Flacco over those guys.

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    You are correct that some guys have “It” and others don’t. I would also add that at least for most guys, “It” has a shelf life” and can expire. After the past few seasons I question whether or not Aaron Rogers still has “It”. After a single season it does appear that Mahommes has “It” but will it last? Not may QB’s historically have had “It”. And there are time where a team can win a championship without such a guy (Trent Dilfer) and there are guys who certainly had “It” (Dan Marino) that won none. But it is very difficult to win championships on an ongoing basis without such a guy on your team.

    Does Flacco have “It”? Nahh…. Does Case Keenum, Kaep, Blaine Gabbert, Kirk Cousins, Blake Bortles, etc……also “No”.

  58. akira1971 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 9:22 am
    gllmiaspr says: “But passer rating correlates strongly with team success.”
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    Flacco was 96-67 (.588) as a starter for the Ravens. Other than the Patriots and Steelers, who else has won this consistently in the past 11 years?

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    The Packers with Aaron Rodgers.

  59. “Brock Osweiler actually played great in those games – enough to lock in a 4yr $72m contract.”
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    Actually, no he didn’t. His QB rating as a starter that year was in the 80s despite having an ideal setup. (Defense was awesome, they were always playing with the lead, he was never asked to force anything.) He still managed to have a 5 turnover game which is when they benched him and went back to Peyton. Most tellingly, even though Peyton retired following the Super Bowl win, not a single Bronco publicly questioned letting Osweiler walk. The Texans instantly regretted signing him and he only played the one year in Houston.

  60. Joe can read defenses and has a cannon hes a classic drop back passer! he was wasting away in bmoore.

  61. Perspective. The Ravens receivers have been terrible since Anquan Boldin left. Even Steve Smith who was more mouth than anything. Fact is that the Ravens offense with Jackson turned into him running more than passing because the best receiver was Michael Crabtree. When he did finally get cleared to throw, bad stuff happened. Not like Denvers receivers are a drastic upgrade but better than what Bmore has.

  62. justadude71 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 6:49 am
    55ballsohard55 says:
    February 14, 2019 at 5:31 am

    Joe is a class guy who will be missed in Baltimore.

    That being said, until Brady retires does it matter who your QB is if your an AFC team.
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    If you are the Broncos: Yes! The only team Brady has a losing record against, 1-3 in the playoffs.

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    He has a losing record against Mile High Stadium, the Broncos just happen to be playing there.

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