In trading big-time receivers, Giants did much better than the Steelers

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The Steelers got a third-round pick and a fifth-round pick for Antonio Brown. The Giants got a lot more than that for Odell Beckham Jr.

The reasons for the differences are obvious. First, the Steelers made it clear that they wanted to move on from Brown. The Giants, in contrast, insisted that they were keeping him. And the “we’ll keep him” posture often becomes the best leverage in trade talks.

Second, Antonio Brown embarked on a scorched earth/bleached ‘stache effort to get out of town. Beckham had engaged in no similar campaign to be traded.

It adds up to the Browns giving up a lot more to get Beckham (a one, a three, and Jabrill Peppers) than the Raiders gave up to get Brown, because the Giants were committed to perpetuating the ruse that under no circumstances would they trade him. The Giants played it the right way, and the Steelers simply didn’t.

Here’s another wrinkle to consider: Could the Browns have gotten Brown for less than what they gave up to get Beckham? Although the Steelers didn’t want to trade Brown in the division, an offer of simply a first-round pick may have been enough to get the Steelers to change their minds.

Regardless, as Brown exists the AFC North, Beckham enters — and the Browns instantly feel like the team to beat in the division.

88 responses to “In trading big-time receivers, Giants did much better than the Steelers

  1. Words never spoken before: “The Browns instantly feel like the team to beat in the division.”

  2. Im a Giants fan and right now Im devastated. The compensation really means nothing to me at this point. We just traded a future Hall of Fame’r. Landon and Odell gone within a week….two guys who WE drafted….wow.

  3. end of the day in reality the raiders traded a 3rd, a 5th, and Amari Cooper, for Antonio Brown, and a first rd pick

  4. The reason why Steelers didnt get a 1st and third like the Giants did is Odell is 26 and Brown is 30.

  5. Opening Day 2019 ages – OBJ: 26, AB: 31.

    Think that might have had something to do with it?

  6. Wow, way to conveniently leave out that BECKHAM IS MORE THAN FOUR YEARS YOUNGER THAN BROWN. In other news, the young Amari Cooper cost more in a trade than Brown too. Meanwhile, the best safety on the market, Earl Thomas, is waiting for his payday, while other safeties have gotten snapped up for huge deals. GUESS WHAT THOSE GUYS HAVE IN COMMON THAT THOMAS DOESN’T SHARE WITH THEM?

    Age matters in the NFL. Duh.

  7. OBJ is also younger with a preexisting contract that was not in “need” of being renegotiated. Antonio Brown’s unrealistic contract demands undercut every attempt by the Steelers to get decent compensation. The Giants experienced no such hangups.

  8. If Baker Mayfield keeps improving into his second year, and the defence keeps maturing the whole AFC North will be eaten at the Dawg Pound this year.

    Steeler fan.

  9. Maybe they could have given less but 1) OBJ is better. Forget stats (I hate stats, schemes are different). I personally didn’t want AB. 2) OBJ may be inclined to the immature rant, but he has been quiet for a year. He may have learned something that AB clearly has not. Don’t need a cancer in the locker room. 3) I think OBJ will do better with Mayfield than AB will with Carr. Also think he will do better than with an aging Eli.

  10. There are big differences. Beckham is 26 and on a contract with no remaining guarantees (or the Giants already absorbed most the guarantees). Brown is 31 and acquiring him required a record new contract with big guarantees. That’s the difference in trade compensation way moreso than any posturing the teams did.

  11. OBJ is younger, never had legal problems and has never quit on his team.

    Does anyone believe (other than Raiders fans) that the Raiders made a good deal by getting A.B.?

    Cleaveland actually improved with this trade.

  12. The big difference is that Beckham is still in his prime but much younger than Brown. The age difference had some weight regarding the trades.

  13. Who hear really believes that mayfield to obj isn’t going to be lethal? Manning is no mayfield. 100% worth the obj self destruct risk for the Browns. Nicely done

  14. a 1st, a 3rd and a very young highly drafted safety than can return punts & kicks is a good haul…..could they have gotten more? yes. could they have gotten less? ask the Steelers.

    and then they free up a bunch of cap space…

    and I think if Giant fans are honest with themselves it’s time to “rebuild” the O. Eli isn’t good (and hasn’t been in years) so you were just wasting OBJ…might as well get assets, get rid of the cap dollars and move forward.

  15. For what OBJ brings a mid 1st(a 2nd in nfl terms) and a late 3rd is a mere pittance. This was a move of necessity, not preference. The giants are rebuilding, and currently do not have a franchise qb on the roster.

  16. Other than Mr.Big Chest acting like the punk he is and his best years are behind him.OBJ has his best years ahead of him I doubt the Browns ever wanted

  17. Florio, you have to take into account that OBJ may be the most marketable and well known superstar in the NFL outside of Brady. He was worth at least 2 first round picks and the Giants only got the 17th pick and change? Awful. How did the Giants owner sign off on this?

  18. Say what you want…….the Browns are loaded! This was a no brainer….draft picks for a top 5 WR in the entire league and you only give up a 1rst and 3rd….

  19. Years of drafting defense at the top of the board and the Browns are set there. Now they get lucky in choosing the best QB last year, and here comes the best WR in the league. This is a dangerous team now.

  20. Antonio Brown has been around a while. He probably has 5 or 6 good years left and he wants to win. He hand picked Jon Gruden. I don’t think he would have signed off on Cleveland. Las Vegas Baby!

  21. Played it the “right way”? Are you nuts!? They gave up a potential HOF WR picked 12th overall for this year’s 16th a third and a bad safety in a market they helped expand for by dumping an All-pro. So what now? They draft another player? Will he be an All-pro like Odell? Maybe they go grab a QB. Okay now that QB no longer has an AP WR and you have to deal with Eli. Stick with Eli? Again, now he has lost on of the best weapons in football. Forget the Barkley/Beckham fantasies, the Giants are toast. On move the could have avoided by just give OBJ a raise if that’s what it took. It’s not like he wasn’t already on the books for a lot. Oh yeah, they are also STILL going to pay more than expected this year by absorbing another 1st rounder (assuming they don’t trade it). This trade was a disaster.

  22. Gotta hand it to the Browns, they are going after it. Now it’s on the first time HC to figure out how to get all these personalities on the same page.

  23. With Landry and OBJ that is lot of cap space allocated to WR position. Until Mayfield is on a rookie deal they can make this work. Btw, OBJ has only 19 mil guaranteed, guess he will get that restructured just like AB did to add more guaranteed money.

    It seems that the Browns would have quite a few prime time games this season.

  24. Like veryone said, AB will be 31 years old when the season starts. Statistically as a WR, the best years are already behind him. OBJ, on the other hand is only 26 and will be in his prime for the next five.

    Colbert has a great history of finding WRs later in the draft: Antonio Brown, JuJu, Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace etc. ALL after the 3rd round.

  25. Talent drain on the Giants roster big time. Long rebuilding process ahead. Sorry Gman fans, famine years are here again.

  26. It was only a matter of time before OBJ tried to force a trade, sat out, etc. The Giants were smart to sell high and eliminate the risk.

  27. “because the Giants were committed to perpetuating the ruse that under no circumstances would they trade him. ”
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    Which means they didn’t create a bidding war since no GM knew he was tradable. Which means Giants didn’t ‘ maximize the return for a WR entering his prime years (unlike AB who was turning 31 and best years behind him.)

  28. It’s infuriating, as a Steelers’ fan to sit back, and watch them trade players away for basically nothing. All the while, other teams, the Browns included, are taking chances and trying to improve their teams. The Steelers better make some moves tomorrow, or hit an A+ in the draft or they will be in deep trouble.

    Nice pickup Browns’s fans. Hopefully for you guys, he can stay healthy.

  29. It’s hard to believe that the Steelers didn’t get at least one first round pick from the Raiders!

  30. Age and leverage.

    OBJ will be better for longer.

    And while all was not sunny with the Giants, OBJ wasn’t going scorched earth to get out the door.

  31. Landry and OBj are both young in their prime, Mayfield and Chubb are in their rookie contracts, the D got Vernon, Browns can draft OL, DB, and LB. Two deep threats with Higgins in addition to a running game.

  32. love all this “oh Giants got spanked” BS, when in fact the Giants made a fantastic trade. OBJ was already at an extreme end of the WR salary scale so not too much surplus value + not to mention always a malcontent and bad public face of the NYG but more importantly where the Giants are in relation to the competitiveness made too much sense to trade him whether it could have been last yr or now so NOW they got fantastic return with a mid 1st + a 3 AND J.Peppers … I bet real Giants fans are doing cartwheels………. myself instead was so dejected and lost on Sunday when I 1st read the Steelers didn’t even get an early 2nd + a helpful player which is what I expected at minimum. yes 53 yrs old & Steelers fan since 1975

  33. Let’s not forget that OBJ is re-teaming up with his college teammate who helped push him (and vice versa)… AND the guy who coached them both, Adam Henry. They pulled off the feat of getting the band back together in Cleveland and this Tiger will be watching.

  34. Antonio Brown is a better G.M. than Kevin Colbert. The Browns overpaid, but the Browns are for real, and will win the division next season. The Steelers lack structure up and down the organization. Tomlin has lost control.

  35. Everyone barking about the age difference isn’t mentioning the fact that Obj has missed a record amount of games his first five years in league history due to injury. Age matters, but the most important stat is availability.

  36. radrntn says:
    March 12, 2019 at 9:36 pm
    end of the day in reality the raiders traded a 3rd, a 5th, and Amari Cooper, for Antonio Brown, and a first rd pick

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    last offseason, actually preseason i think, you guys traded mccarron to the bills for a 5th. so in reality you traded amari cooper and aj mccarron and a third for antonio brown and a 1st round pick. not sure why everybody has been so critical of gruden. the raiders werent winning last years super bowl anyways. everybody knew that going in.

  37. chickensalad43 says:
    March 12, 2019 at 10:08 pm
    Florio, you have to take into account that OBJ may be the most marketable and well known superstar in the NFL outside of Brady. He was worth at least 2 first round picks and the Giants only got the 17th pick and change? Awful. How did the Giants owner sign off on this?

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    you have a much larger opinion of odell beckham jr than everybody else. he is not more marketable than jj watt, aaron rodgers, larry fitzgerald, rob gronkowski, drew brees, dak prescott, and about 90 other guys.

  38. To the guy calling the Browns “paper champion”, they improved on their win total by 7 games last year alone. Then they get Kareem Hunt, Olivier Vernon, Sheldon Richardson, OBJ, and are trying to sign Earl Thomas. Call em whatever you want, right now every team in the NFL is a paper champion. The difference between the Browns and the rest of the teams, especially in the AFC North is that we clearly are getting better.
    Nobody wants to let the most loyal fans in all of sports have a single moment to ever enjoy anything. What’s everyone else’s super teams doing right now, besides either getting older, rebuilding, or sitting around in salary cap purgatory? We’re just getting started, the league year hasn’t even started and we’ve added 4 Pro Bowlers. So hate all you want. say it’s about time all you want, say it’s the same ol Browns all you want. None of it matters because with our youth and contract situations, and salary cap space, you are likely looking at a dynasty in the making.

  39. Also to the guy who seemingly thinks Antonio Brown chose the Raiders over the Browns because he wants to win, we will see who has more wins this year. I think it’s a safe bet to assume the team with Baker Mayfield, Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, OBJ, LAndry, Njoku, last years #3 ranked offensive line, Vernon, Sheldon Richardson,Ogonjobi, Myles Garret, Ward, and possibly Earl Thomas with more to be added soon will get more wins than the raiders. Antonio Brown went to a team that has traded away almost every good player, so he might start winning when he’s around 38.

  40. The Browns had 10 picks in this year’s draft. They traded their 1st and one of their 3rds; now, 8 picks remain. The loss of Peppers is skin off no one’s nose. My greatest concern was the trade of Zeitler for a DE. Breaking up the best interior OL in football was problematic for me. Corbett as a guard is just too tall and his weight is too evenly distributed; guard should be squat and robust from the chest down…a road grader, just like a bulldozer is build. That’s one trade I question.

  41. robert Bourrillion says:
    March 12, 2019 at 9:36 pm
    The reason why Steelers didnt get a 1st and third like the Giants did is Odell is 26 and Brown is 30.
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    The Giants got two firsts and a third.

    Peppers is a first round draft pick.

  42. The difference is OBJ is 26 vs AB being 31 once the season starts. Cleveland is young built for the long haul. AB might have been cheaper in compensation but OBJ is the better choice….

  43. The Browns are the new off-season champions. If only they gave trophies for that. You still gotta play the actual game to win something. That being said, I do believe Cleveland is much better on offense now. They overpaid for OBJ though. Giving up Peppers made the defense weaker with less draft stock to replace him.

  44. akira1971 says:
    March 12, 2019 at 10:26 pm
    Colbert has a great history of finding WRs later in the draft
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    That’s good because he’s awful at finding them in the beginning. Wheaton, Coates, Bryant, Archer..what are they all up to nowadays? Hanging out in the same sad place Dupree, Davis, Edmunds and Burns are all heading.

  45. Funny that no one mentioned the fact that OBJ is younger. Not sure with how much, someone may want to share that. I believe the age also counts, don’t you?

  46. steelcurtainn says:
    March 12, 2019 at 9:28 pm
    Its easy to be paper champions until you start playing the game. Right now thats what the browns are.

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    Until the season starts its better to be paper champions than it is to be paper also rans.

  47. WHY the Giants decided to trade Beckham we don’t know.
    we can only speculate.

    BUT we can say that they got a reasonable return for him.

    Still, it hurts to be a Giants’ fan today

  48. The difference is AB did everything in his power to make himself look like damaged goods and nixed a trade when a good one came along. Beckham kept his mouth shut and the Giants got a good return. It really has nothing to do with the Steelers as much as it has to do with the behavior of the player being traded.

  49. Does this really surprise anybody?

    The Steelers are a mess

    People who really know football don’t say that but we already know you to be a clueless troll. If they are such a mess why to you hurry to post on every thread about this team? It’s not because you are imparting wisdom you possess in limited supply.
    Think for a second AB is is a cancer at 31 years old. It was time to fish or cut bait…the fish lost.they are better off with out his distraction and as long as their line is intact Ben will find some else open. If you start the season planning without him things will turn out just fine.

  50. tylawspick6 says: “That’s good because he’s awful at finding them in the beginning. Wheaton, Coates, Bryant, Archer..what are they all up to nowadays?”
    ——————-

    What are you talking about?!? Wheaton, Coates and Archer (return specialist) were all late third round picks. Bryant was a late fourth rounder. None of the WRs were picked high in the draft. A lot more hits than misses. Try again.

  51. Steelers – Traded a 6th round draft pick for a 3rd and 5th Rounder. Got rid of a supposed problem (I think their overall problems lie elsewhere.) 1 time cap hit and they move on. Gotta be nice to write off $21M.

    Giants – Traded a 1st Round draft pick for a 1st, 3rd and Jabrill Peppers, who is another 1st round pick. Got rid of a supposed problem (I think their overall problems lie elsewhere.)

    Glad to see people move on to be happy. Imagine if people were happy at work, or the supposed problems at work were removed….

  52. arwiv says:
    March 12, 2019 at 9:32 pm
    Im a Giants fan and right now Im devastated. The compensation really means nothing to me at this point. We just traded a future Hall of Fame’r. Landon and Odell gone within a week….two guys who WE drafted….wow.

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    That’s how we Raider fans felt last year…

  53. I’m sorry but these 2 trades are not comparable, and trying o frame this as a win for the Giants in any way is absolutely ridiculous. That is a pathetic haul for Odell Beckham.

    The Browns are going to be a lot of fun to watch the next few seasons. I’m hoping they sign Earl Thomas to replace Peppers, that would be a nice bow to put on this whole thing.

    Get ready for a lot of Browns prime time games, and a whole lot of smack talk from Landry/Beckham/Baker

  54. madczyk says:
    March 12, 2019 at 10:16 pm

    Played it the “right way”? Are you nuts!? They gave up a potential HOF WR picked 12th overall for this year’s 16th a third and a bad safety in a market they helped expand for by dumping an All-pro.

    ———————

    Superstar wide receivers don’t win championships. Defenses do. Just ask the 2001 Rams or the 2007 Patriots.

  55. How come nobody is talking about Peppers….he is only 23, a first rd pick, and if utilized right can make an impact. After losing Collins , he will fit in nicely. I think Giants can easily now trade their 7th pick, and the 17th pick with the Raiders for their 4th pick, and 24th. Giants can easily come out of this draft with a QB at 4, a WR with the 24th pick, and still have Peppers at SS.- Not bad….and Browns got OBJ. Could be a win/win

  56. What it looks like is GM/Headcoach Eli is a bit smarter than GM/Headcoach Big Ben, there really is no other logical conclusion to the talent drain on these two teams. Those two must be making all the decisions and playing favoritism is why all the good players want out. Either that or the current GM’s shouldn’t be in football and making personnel decisions.

  57. Every year fans of teams get so excited about their big free agency signings. I get that it creates excitement, especially for teams that haven’t had success. But the Super Bowl is not played in March and April. None of this matters until the rosters are complete right before the season starts and then the games for the 2019 season actually start.

    Some of these signings will turn out to be busts with horrible ramifications to a team’s cap. Nobody knows which team that will happen to but one thing is for sure, it happens every year.

    We’ll find out next fall.

  58. “They overpaid for OBJ though. Giving up Peppers made the defense weaker with less draft stock to replace him.”
    Peppers made the safety position weaker, but we added Sheldon Richardson and Olivier Vernon, so our defense is still better than last year. There are also like 10 safeties in the top 100 players available, so surely we will get one of em. I didn’t like getting rid of Peppers either, but I feel like he will be replaced with a better player.

  59. If I’m Eli Manning after having made over $245M in my career and I see what Gettleman just pulled I’m submitting my retirement papers effective immediately.
    Without Beckham Shaquan is going to be targeted and anyone else in that back field as well. For your own safety Eli? Get outta town

  60. Love my team, and Colbert’s been a great GM for a long time. But there’s no question the Giants made a better deal than the Steelers did. It’s ridiculous to claim the Steelers traded a sixth-round pick for a third and fifth. The Steelers traded a top-three receiver who’d already eaten nearly $20 million in cash and taken a chunk of cap space for a third and fifth. I’m glad he’s gone, too, but the only way we get a reasonable return on investment is if that third and fifth turn out to be comparable players to Brown.

  61. And we all remember the travesty of Eli Manning NOT wanting to play in San diego, or wherever it was don’t we? He made it VERY apparent.
    HIS days are numbered now

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