Kyler Murray on not running 40: I think the film speaks for itself

AP

Kyler Murray stepped on a scale and threw for those who turned out to watch him at Oklahoma’s Pro Day workouts on Wednesday, but he didn’t do the 40-yard dash or agility drills.

That was also the case at the Scouting Combine in Indianapolis and Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley said there would be no point in Murray going through those paces because “he’s athletically so far beyond anything in this game.” Murray didn’t go quite that far, but did say that there was plenty of tape for scouts to watch when it came to his speed and agility.

“I’d like to get out there to run, but I don’t think it’s that necessary for me,” Murray said, via ESPN.com. “I didn’t want to pull anything before I got the chance to throw. … I think the film kinda speaks for itself.”

Murray said he thought he showed everybody he can make all the throws he’ll be asked to make in the NFL and he also pushed back at the notion that his meetings with teams at the Combine went poorly.

“I felt amazing leaving the combine, every meeting I had went well,” Murray said. “At least to my face, no one was negative. I had a great experience. … I don’t think I would’ve done what I did if I didn’t understand what defense were doing.”

Murray met with a Giants contingent that included head coach Pat Shurmur after throwing, although they may wind up being one of 31 teams watching Murray go off the board to the Cardinals with the first overall pick if Arizona decides Murray is a better choice for their future than Josh Rosen.

80 responses to “Kyler Murray on not running 40: I think the film speaks for itself

  1. Anyone else notice he is afraid of the lights? Afraid of the competition. You didn’t compete at the combine and you didn’t do it at your Pro Day either. Feels like the big stage is making him point to the past rather than the present.

  2. Perhaps he didn’t run the 40 and/or do the agility drills because he threw on 20 lbs between the end of the season and the combine so he was 205 lbs?

    Nah, that couldn’t be it – just look at the tape (all 1 season of it)

    Good luck to whatever GM drafts this kid in the 1st round.

  3. Bucs need to take him at 5 if he is available. And trade jameis to the giants for there 1st rounder they got from Cleveland.

  4. I get what he (and his agent) are trying to do, but this is looking worse. You want a guy who is competitive and confident in himself, not one that plays it safe.

  5. Poor man’s Lamar Jackson. LJ is way more athletic and dynamic as a runner. Kyler is a decent passer but having that o-line and Hollywood made him look a lot better than he really is.

  6. Well, he’ll be a high draft pick and he could well turn out to be a bust. Maybe not, but I already don’t like his attitude. After he gets drafted let’s see what getting him signed turns out to be. I have a suspicion that he may hold out to the detriment of the team.

  7. This guy sounds like a premadonna or is going to be real problem for whomever ever signs him down the road.

  8. Where else can you go for a job interview and decline to demonstrate a skill you’re being hired for?

  9. This guy has BUST tattooed all over him. Attitude, hiding his real height, dumb

  10. There’s a stench about this kid that just doesn’t smell right. AZ would be nuts to take him #1 overall.

  11. RED FLAGS EVERYWHERE! Some GM is going to lose his job in two years because of this kid.

  12. Super weird. You don’t need a super fast 40 time as a QB – even a mobile QB.

    Sure making it seem like his playing weight is not going to be anywhere close to 205.

    I’d be very nervous if my team were potentially up there looking to draft him. Huge bust potential.

  13. I wish every owner would collectively tell him to go play baseball.

    So many other kids out there busting their butts to make a team and this kid won’t run.

    He’s making Mayfield look like a nice guy.

  14. I am not sure how his deciding not to do a few agility tests equates to him not being competitive. This is a potential number 1 pick that if he injures himself seriously could fall quite a ways in the draft, all because he had to do outdated agility tests that really don’t prove anything at all. Throwing is far more important than running in the grand scheme of things ( see how great Lamar Jackson is mid season this year, he can’t throw ) and he showed he can do that.

  15. He’s right about The Tape but not in a good way. It doesn’t show he’s fast. It shows he beat DL and LBs but took angles against DBs,to avoid them catching him. IF that shows anyone’s fast then TB12 and Brees ARE The Fasted QBs in The NFL.

  16. The ‘film’ from today said to me a guy with added body fat who, after about 20 throws, appeared to be breathing hard. No wonder he didn’ run. The film from the 2018 season says a well-conditioned, wildly talented athlete. Looking forward to how it all plays out.

  17. He is right… he is faster than 97.62% of starting NFL QBs, so what difference does him running the 40 make? Do they award points in NFL games for burst of 40 yards?

  18. Translation: “I’m slow now after putting on too much weight too quickly, but there is plenty of tape from back when I was lighter and fast.”

  19. Sick of hearing about this future bust. Already a Diva and he hasn’t taken an NFL snap. Hope he ends up on the Giants.

  20. I’m glad he didn’t run. Judge him on the merits of what matters. You guys can’t ever be happy. If he runs you’ll type cast him as a simple minded running QB…he decides not to run and he’s entitled. Just relax and let the tape speak. You can see he was faster than everyone on the field, period.

  21. Guy has gained over 20 pounds in 3 months. I wonder why he’s worried about posting a 40 time.

    His 205 weight at the combine was a joke. He will play around 185-190, and with all the risk that goes along with that. Teams should take notice.

  22. What?? “I’d like to get out there to run, but I don’t think it’s that necessary for me”

    He’s there for the scouts – to allow the scouts do an evaluation and comparison vs other players in his category….but he doesn’t thing its necessary for him.

    Ugh…No thanks.

  23. There is no reason to refuse to run unless there is something to hide. Kid is either out of shape or getting bad advice.

  24. The reason he needs to run is because he probably weighed in at 205+ when everyone thinks he (artificially) added 20 lbs of weight for the weigh-in. Water-weight+bulking might have cut some of his speed. Is he really that fast when he’s at his current weight? No one knows.

  25. I wonder if it has anything to do with his current weight?

    He’s at 207lbs. Probably bulked up to show he was big enough to play in the NFL and not get killed.

    My guess is that’s why he didn’t run.

  26. Ok so your invited to a pro day and nothing happens, no weigh in, no measurement, some guy throw8ng soft balls to easy targets.
    Solution for all gsm, just say your team will not attend anymore forcing people back to the combine.

  27. “Perhaps he didn’t run the 40 and/or do the agility drills because he threw on 20 lbs between the end of the season and the combine so he was 205 lbs?”

    Answer right there.

  28. AKA, I’ve already fabricated all my other measurables, why would I run a 40 and run everything?

  29. So a man who’s talent/ability/draft position is based on things he won’t combine or pro-day for? Either he & his agent know he’s going #1 or they are idiots. The NFL is watching the NBA & you don’t think 🤔 maybe this guy will pull an LBJ?

  30. Somebody made Kyler think that he’s athletically as gifted as Bo Jackson and Deion Sanders just because he plays baseball too. That’s cool. Get him his Gold jacket. No need to play in the league. I think his tape speaks for itself.

    This just made me think of Megatron. Calvin Johnson wasn’t gonna run the 40 at the combine, but he got out there and saw everyone running and his competitive fire made him want to show what he could do and not get outdone. Then he runs a 4.35 IN SOMEBODY ELSES SHOES that he borrowed. I know it’s a different position, but THATS the kind of competitive juice I want to see from a draft pick. I’m not gonna hex this young man because he can actually ball and it’s gonna be a tough enough battle for him in the NFL with his size, but this was a very Leaf-ish response.

  31. looking for a payday as soon as the guaranteed money is in the bank, he will mail it in and cash checks as long as they keep coming.

  32. The guy is smarter than I gave him credit for. Hope he doesn’t get crushed in the NFL, the little guy has mad talent.

  33. Man…
    This is crazy. He is merely doing what his representation and parents are telling him to do.

    Lamar Jackson also didnt run…also said look at the tape.

    Is there anybody here that doesnt think Murray is fast ??

    You know who else hasnt run an NFL Combine 40 ??

    Usain Bolt

    I think hes probably pretty fast still

  34. Its a different day and age people.

    Who cares about what Calvin Johnson did… or all of the “competetuve juices’ story crap.

    Now the norm for kids are to skip bowl games, not work out etc… pount to tape.

    Its what they are being advised to do.

  35. Oklahoma head coach Lincoln Riley said there would be no point in Murray going through those paces because “he’s athletically so far beyond anything in this game.”

    Just stop it.

  36. He’s a name and face, that’s all. Top 5 o-line in college and arguably the best WR. Even Mayfield looked good in those circumstances.

  37. I can truly care less where this kid gets drafted but I have zero issues with him. A lot of the criticism on this board doesn’t make much sense to me. He’s not competitive because he didn’t run the 40???? hahahahahaha. Yea i’m sure him being drafted in the first round of the MLB draft and becoming the Heisman shows he’s not a competitor. He’s a QB. 40 time don’t matter as much as say a RB,WR,DB…. Games I’ve watched shows he’s fast enough and if nothing else translates to the NFL his speed will from what I’ve seen.

  38. He’s not wrong. Why QB’s are made to run the 40 is beyond me. I’m pretty sure the number of QB’s who have been drafted because of their 40 time is a hard 0.

    Most importantly fast QB’s get stereotyped as not being good throwers even when they are. Patrick Mahomes fell to 10 before the Chiefs traded up to get him and even in college he was a better QB than Mitchel Trubisky who went 2nd and everyone and their mom swore that Baker Mayfield was just Johnny Manziel 2 and he now has the record for most passing touchdowns for a rookie and did it in only 14 games.

    Finally he was a first round draft pick outfielder in baseball. If you don’t know how fast he is by now you have no right calling yourself an NFL scout.

  39. The difference between 5’9 and 5’10 is miniscule. The former will not yield him any less money than the latter.

    The problem is, what does it say about this dude’s character that he can’t even handle having his real height broadcast?

  40. He he should have worn a helmet and shoulder pads to appease the naysayers. It worked for another QB whom people absolutely loved.

  41. If a team is looking at a 40 time for a QB then they are already lost and desperate, they should be looking at character (which I think is an issue with Murray, and I wouldn’t trust a word Lincoln says), can he read and react to the defense (seams to be an issue with Goff, Winston and RG3) arm strength and accuracy, if he isn’t accurate then don’t bother. Mariota is the fastest starting QB and he looks more and more like a bust and he won the Heisman too. No matter how good a QB looks on film or does in the undie Olympics, it is still a 50/50 shot on 1st rounders and even worse as the 1st or 2nd pick that a QB is a bust.

    Since 89 for 1st or 2nd picked QB’s with (Aikman’s year) 23 total.

    Superbowl winners” Aikman, Eli and Peyton, 15% on hitting on a winning QB. Cam is a maybe.
    Decent careers QB’s but never won: Bledsoe, Palmer, Alex Smith, McNabb, and maybe Stafford.
    Still undecided: Luck (bust so far) and Mariota (trending bust).
    Busts (and some epic):George, Couch, David Carr, Russell, Bradford, Winston, RG111, Leaf and Mirer.
    To young to decide: Trubisky, Goff, Wentz.

  42. Running the 40 is not that important for offensive linemen or statue QBs like the Mannings, Foles, Brady, etc. It matters for small mobile QBs who will run a lot.

  43. Not running it at the combine? OK
    Not running it in the ideal conditions of your school’s pro day? A little suspect

    I think he’s afraid of the time that will pop up since he added weight.

    It’s not like he’s going to fall into the 3rd round or something, but if he doesn’t go number 1, say he goes 6th, you might have to wonder if some teams were a little turned off by his actions…if they view it as egotistical.

  44. The film looks good…but absolutely EVERYTHING else I’ve seen says there is NO WAY he should be the #1 pick. Lots of college QBs look great on film but head to the NFL and absolutely suck because they lack many of the intangibles necessary (and for many absolute crap coaching) for success in the NFL. He might be worth a 2nd-3rd round gamble but the 1st round is too steep a price for a guy who many are still not sure is fully committed to football.

  45. Anyone who doesn’t already know that Murray is more than fast and agile enough to play QB in the NFL shouldn’t be making draft decisions. The other factors of reading defenses and making corresponding offensive adjustments is where he should be evaluated.

  46. So the red flags from the PFT armchair GM commenting crew on Kyler Murray are:
    1. He’s also really, really, really good at baseball
    2. He didn’t spend 2 months training for a 40 yard dash
    3. His college film is too good, if anything
    4. He doesn’t pound his chest and spout cliches like, “I’m a warrior! I just like to compete! Derpity derp derp, FOOTBAW!”

  47. agent7x6 says:
    March 14, 2019 at 1:00 pm
    Anyone who doesn’t already know that Murray is more than fast and agile enough to play QB in the NFL shouldn’t be making draft decisions. The other factors of reading defenses and making corresponding offensive adjustments is where he should be evaluated.
    =====

    No one has ever seen his speed and agility at his current weight, which he wants people to believe he will play at, because he has never played at that weight before.

    Why is this so hard to figure out? Murray and his people made a huge deal about him being over 200 pounds, over 20 pounds more than his 2018 playing weight. It is logical and normal for a team to want to see how fast he is at this new weight. It is a clear red flag that he will not run in public since he gained it.

  48. He’s not wrong. You can see on tape that he has plenty of game speed.
    That said, I get bad vibes from him when he talks. It could be that he’s a young kid, but a lot of times he seems very socially awkward and doesn’t look like he knows what he’s talking about.

  49. Bust? Have you watched him play? No 1 pick who will flourish in the NFL. Haters gonna hate.

  50. We all know why he did not run. He gained a lot of not so good weight to appear bigger. Probably another daddy decision. Bad idea. just be who you are, he is getting bad advice.

  51. It’s a shame social media doesn’t have something to track everyone who’s trashing Murray (or any other player) so IF he does pan out they could have a mark or something to show how ridiculously wrong they’ve been in the past. That way future readers could see person x is just a hater.

  52. His choice. Any team whose GM needs to see Murray run the 40 to judge his potential after countless interviews and game tape of more than 30 games – needs a new GM more than they need a new QB.

  53. He’s right in that the film speaks for itself and will probably be enough for him to get picked number 1, but it’s also an admission that there is no way he would run as fast as people expect him to.

  54. realitypolice says:
    March 14, 2019 at 1:21 pm
    agent7x6 says:
    March 14, 2019 at 1:00 pm
    Anyone who doesn’t already know that Murray is more than fast and agile enough to play QB in the NFL shouldn’t be making draft decisions. The other factors of reading defenses and making corresponding offensive adjustments is where he should be evaluated.
    =====

    No one has ever seen his speed and agility at his current weight, which he wants people to believe he will play at, because he has never played at that weight before.

    Why is this so hard to figure out? Murray and his people made a huge deal about him being over 200 pounds, over 20 pounds more than his 2018 playing weight. It is logical and normal for a team to want to see how fast he is at this new weight. It is a clear red flag that he will not run in public since he gained it.
    ——————————————————————————————
    Murray is fast enough that 20 pounds isn’t going to transform him into a slow poke. He will remain plenty fast enough at 205. In my mind, the other factors are more meaningful.

  55. tylawspick6 says:
    March 14, 2019 at 8:22 am
    He’s a name and face, that’s all. Top 5 o-line in college and arguably the best WR. Even Mayfield looked good in those circumstances.
    —————–
    True. Put up big numbers in a conference that doesn’t play defense!

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