Kraft’s lawyer believes video violates Fourth Amendment

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With a member of law enforcement apparently using the potential release of a private video in the Robert Kraft case as leverage for a deal, one of Patriots owner Robert Kraft’s lawyers has taken public an attack on the legality of the recording.

“We’ve looked at . . . the law around the warrant for the video surveillance inside the spa, and we think it is a violation of the Fourth Amendment,” William Burck said, via Emily Smith of the New York Post. “We also believe the traffic stop [made by police as the men left the spa] was illegal and a violation of the Constitution. . . .

“The state attorney should take a look how the evidence in this case was obtained by the police and explain how this evidence passes Constitutional muster, because we don’t see it.”

These comments confirm what had been percolating as to the planned assault on the case: Regardless of whether the state can prove that solicitation happened (which, frankly, becomes difficult if not impossible without evidence of an advance promise made to pay for sex), a successful challenge to the legality of the video and other evidence, like the traffic stop that was used to identify Kraft in the video, will gut the case entirely.

Burck also pointed out that prosecutors have refused to agree to keep the video confidential, forcing Kraft’s lawyers to take the matter to court.

“We put in a motion for a protective order of the evidence in this case, a standard request in any case to keep evidence protected until trial — especially since the video evidence supposedly contains private moments between [two or more] people,” Burck said. “We’ve been surprised and disappointed that the state attorney did not sign on to the protective order, because it is a standard procedure in a criminal case. They declined to agree to the protective order.”

A judge will now make that decision, including the more important decision as to whether the state violated Constitutional standards when collecting the evidence that would be used against Kraft, if the case were to go to trial.

116 responses to “Kraft’s lawyer believes video violates Fourth Amendment

  1. I thought traffic stops had to have some kind of just cause. The police were taking license plate numbers from the customers vehicles, and then making a traffic stop under some ruse, just to get identification.

  2. Another case where a police department and prosecutor are way more interested in publicity than actually protection of the women who were trafficked!

  3. Let’s assume for arguments sake that Krafts lawyer is right and the way the police obtained the evidence was against constitutional law. Who really cares? The facts are that the old man was paying for sex in a house of prostitution. I think it’s hilarious. Try explaining that one to your wife, children and grandchildren. The only thing funnier would be if the actual video went viral.

  4. So taxpayers are going to pay a ton of dough because a billionaire wanted to pay for a…you know. Meanwhile, Kraft’s lawyers get even richer as they drag the case out even longer.

  5. Another endless waste of time and money. Same on you, Mr. Kraft, for putting US through this.

  6. Honestly I think the release of this tape would be what’s wrong with America today !

  7. Clearly, they are threatening him. Why else say these kinds of things? DA is up for election, wanted his high profile bust, isn’t getting it, offers a deal, doesn’t get that, now basically is blackmailing Kraft. This isn’t going to go well.

  8. So, in order to keep Kraft from paying some small fine (for a billionaire any state level fine is “small”) and maybe a couple of months probation, Kraft is going to try to eliminate the ability of law enforcement to secretly record criminal activity in order to prove a case? Also, if the cops were arresting Kraft when they pulled him over, Kraft is essentially saying it is illegal for cops to pull people over in order to arrest them.

    Just pay the stupid fine and go home and roll around in a giant pile of $100 bills.

  9. Yeah, no one in town suspected this was anything but a place to get a therapeutic massage.
    And Kraft flew in from NE just for a massage on his aching back.
    The police were out of line stopping patrons as they left this reputable business.

  10. Did he just confirm solicitation did in fact take place by acknowledging “video evidence supposedly contains private moments between [two or more] people,”??

  11. I doubt this defense attorney is a Constitutional attorney and this certainly isn’t a groundbreaking case.

  12. Honestly if the cops violated laws, civil rights, and/or abused power they need to be held accoutable. Their tendency to do that is a bigger problem than anything Kraft might be guilty of. They tend to do it to people that cant fight back, its good if someone who can fight back can set a few legal precedents that might make it easier for the others in the future.

  13. Well of course his attorney is going to say that. Trying to prove that a judges warrant is unjustified will be a nearly impossible task.

  14. The police originally came out swinging with that human trafficking, tip of the iceberg, stretching from New York to China news conference. I had this vision of some scary individual whispering “Good Luck”‘into a telephone held by Liam Neeson. Now we know the victims were Florida citizens, licensed massage therapists, and almost senior citizens.

  15. 6 month sting to stop human trafficking which leads to 0 indictments about human trafficking, but does capture a video of a 77 year-old man getting a massage naked from a 58 year-old American citizen.

    Seems like a good use of time and money.

  16. diehard pats fan from MA and current Police Officer outside of New England. I will put homerism aside here. For those who are not familiar, the 4th Amendment is protection from unreasonable searches and seizures. This is MASSIVE when conducting a traffic stop. You cannot seize anyone longer than a reasonable amount of time.

    I.E. = A vehicle that has valid registration, nothing allowing a probable cause search, and was stopped for speeding, should not be held for a dumb amount of time (60 minutes for example)

    IF Mr. Kraft’s lawyers are claiming a 4th amendment violation, then the claim must be that he was asked a ridiculous amount of questions and held longer than needed.

  17. Buahahahaha! This is what happens when you attend a sting and a circus erupts. Jupiter law enforcement may very well be left with a lot of egg on their collective faces. The whole operation seems to have been run like a child’s Halloween party. Go Patriots!

  18. So it’s not that his client is innocent, it’s that the evidence was illegally obtained. Gotcha.

  19. Kraft has already lost in the court of public opinion. Nobody cares if he gets convicted of some plea bargained charge. He thinks if he can somehow wiggle out of the conviction he’ll save face in the public’s eye. Not going to happen. The fact he doesn’t want the smoking gun video shown is all you need to know. The only thing people are trying to understand is why is a BILLIONAIRE getting a job, blow/hand, at a strip mall when he could afford to set it up a thousand better ways.

  20. Don’t people going for a maasage have an expectation of privacy?what would happen if a guy got a real massage (no sex) and was videotaped without his consent or knowledge. I gotta think the evidence will be tossed based on that.

  21. If the video hadn’t gotten out, Ray Rice would still be playing despite everyone knowing the charges.

    For better or worse we are a video or it didn’t happen society. That is also why Kraft’s lawyers didn’t request the video in discovery. Once it is recorded as exhibit A in the system it becomes a public document.

    If it does become exhibit A the case is over but it doesn’t hurt to throw a couple million at it and see if he can buy his way out.

  22. You go into a place that performs illegal services and are surprised that they did something illegal..

  23. Neither side looking great – Kraft may well be guilty (or innocent) but cops basically knowingly broke the law (in Florida) to video without both sides consent (and stop him without cause or explanation, or to warn him) – and then, in the absence of supporting physical evidence are threatening to break the law by eventually leaking the video anyway if Kraft doesn’t cut a deal with them. Ugly. They also, by saying they recorded him breaking the law (rather than letting a court decide) they’ve pronounced him guilty and poisoned public/jury opinion before trial.

  24. That video violates more than the 4th amendment. If the video is released, there’s going to be a lot of psychological scars… some things you can’t unsee.

  25. ahostiletakeover says:
    March 23, 2019 at 9:13 am
    Having a warrant for the video surveillance implies the court saw probable cause enough to issue it so what am I missing here?
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    Florida Law. It’s one of the states where you can’t record without both parties agreeing to it.

  26. The Five Stages… 1. It never happened. 2. If it did happen it wasn’t illegal. 3. Whataboutism… you shouldn’t have been doing an investigation into illegal activities. 4. Throw anything and everything against this wall. 5. Ok. I’m a dirtbag. Please forgive me…

  27. The State has the ultimate leverage in this case with the video. Does Kraft (or his lawyer) really believe that someone hasn’t already challenged the constitutionality of this kind of stuff with other cases like hidden camera drug deals? They have a losing argument and no leverage.

  28. That whole process of secretly videotaping people in massage spas to play a gotcha game should be illegal. Not ok for governmental powers to trample ones constitutional rights to obtain evidence for a misdemeanor. We’re not talking national security here. These videotapes can destroy lives and for what…a misdemeanor!?

  29. The police are acting illegally to embarrass those who partake at this Asian Massage Parlor. They want these places shut down and the best way to do that is to embarrass people like Robert Kraft.

    Of course, achieving a goal like this by violating someone’s constitutional rights is perverted in and of itself. For that reason, this is a no win case for the state and the case will crumble. Damage has been done to Kraft, but charges should be filed against the sheriff hear as well.

    Kraft ought to know better. However, he has had a tough time dealing with the death of his wife Myra. He hasn’t intentionally harmed anybody and people who judge him on this have an axe to grind.

  30. How many people were getting legit massages did the sneak and peak warrant get a load of? If anyone else films someone naked without consent, in is a crime. I know if I were there honestly, I would be consulting a lawyer.

  31. Win or lose, Robert Kraft will never be able to shake this stigma. Get used to it Pats fans. Kraft and his handy will be a constant “go to” for non-patriots fans for a long, loooong, time.

  32. navyvandal says:
    March 23, 2019 at 9:01 am
    diehard pats fan from MA and current Police Officer outside of New England. I will put homerism aside here. For those who are not familiar, the 4th Amendment is protection from unreasonable searches and seizures. This is MASSIVE when conducting a traffic stop. You cannot seize anyone longer than a reasonable amount of time.
    I.E. = A vehicle that has valid registration, nothing allowing a probable cause search, and was stopped for speeding, should not be held for a dumb amount of time (60 minutes for example)
    IF Mr. Kraft’s lawyers are claiming a 4th amendment violation, then the claim must be that he was asked a ridiculous amount of questions and held longer than needed.

    Bull.

    You cannot pull someone over for no cause for an hour. Period. You cannot detain a person, passenger, for an hour with no cause, period. You CAN request identification but it is not required to be provided. If it is alluded that you must provide ID, that evidence is tossed.

  33. Lifelong pats fan, here.

    Kraft is an idiot and pretty much deserves to lay in the bed he made, through his own poor judgement and decision making. The former of which began to show serious signs of diminished capacity when he caved to Fraudger in scam/framegate.
    It is a shame that such a great philanthropist has taken a TX size chainsaw and cut right through the pillars of his own foundation.

    That said, don’t be fooled into thinking that rule-bending law enforcement and the slime sucking, publicity-hounding prosecutors aren’t pavlov-dogging all the way to their next promotion, talk-show, book or movie deal as well. Leverage it for all it is worth, suck it dry….
    They’re like buzzards circling a dying man in the middle of the desert….waiting and circling and waiting and circling.

  34. rgorr44 says:

    March 23, 2019 at 9:31 am

    That whole process of secretly videotaping people in massage spas to play a gotcha game should be illegal. Not ok for governmental powers to trample ones constitutional rights to obtain evidence for a misdemeanor. We’re not talking national security here. These videotapes can destroy lives and for what…a misdemeanor!?

    I understand what you’re saying, and I agree with you, but they weren’t originally just looking for prostitution charges, which is the misdemeanor you’re speaking of. The investigation was started to look in to reports of human trafficking. Kraft’s charges are a by-product of that original investigation. The human trafficking investigation had merit, but the DA should have not wasted this much time and tax payer money on Kraft. But, apparently it is an election year…

  35. I’m thinking that the video surveillance warrant was obtained under false pretenses if it was submitted to the judge based on human trafficking not prostitution, depends on how it was written.

  36. Nfl should make krafts sell his team . with all the cheating .deflate gate spy gate ect. Now this .

  37. streetyson says:
    Florida Law. It’s one of the states where you can’t record without both parties agreeing to it.

    No traffic cameras in Florida?
    No beach cameras in Florida?
    No bank cameras in Florida?

  38. navyvandal says:
    March 23, 2019 at 9:01 am
    diehard pats fan from MA and current Police Officer outside of New England. I will put homerism aside here. For those who are not familiar, the 4th Amendment is protection from unreasonable searches and seizures. This is MASSIVE when conducting a traffic stop. You cannot seize anyone longer than a reasonable amount of time.

    I.E. = A vehicle that has valid registration, nothing allowing a probable cause search, and was stopped for speeding, should not be held for a dumb amount of time (60 minutes for example)

    IF Mr. Kraft’s lawyers are claiming a 4th amendment violation, then the claim must be that he was asked a ridiculous amount of questions and held longer than needed.

    —————————-

    I think what the lawyer is saying is that Krafts car was not violating any traffic laws, but was pulled over regardless, and possibly “questioned”. In other words, he was traffic stopped on a false pretense (probably to identify Kraft as the guy in the videos as cash doesn’t have your name on it like cards do) and questioned about why he was leaving a massage place, which without the “happy endings” would be a legal and licensed business.

  39. jimnaizeeum says:
    March 23, 2019 at 9:56 am
    streetyson says:
    Florida Law. It’s one of the states where you can’t record without both parties agreeing to it.

    No traffic cameras in Florida?
    No beach cameras in Florida?
    No bank cameras in Florida?
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    Don’t be ridiculous. I don’t know about beach cameras, I don’t go there. But if you don’t know about traffic and bank cameras you’re either very sheltered or dumber than dirt. By driving and banking anywhere you have implied consent to be filmed. Don’t want to get caught on a traffic camera, obey the traffic laws or don’t drive. Afraid of bank cameras, stay out of banks.

  40. realfan41 says:
    March 23, 2019 at 8:41 am
    So taxpayers are going to pay a ton of dough because a billionaire wanted to pay for a…you know. Meanwhile, Kraft’s lawyers get even richer as they drag the case out even longer.

    40 5

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    So who exactly are you mad at? Kraft bc hes a billionaire and paid for a little massage? Or for his lawyers for doing what they are supposed to do and thats defend, and clear their client. Yes it undoubtedly is gonna be unnecessarily drug out. And unfortunately,yes its going to cost taxpayers. But your anger should be directed and these angry, jealous, power thirst cops who violated constitutional rights just to earn some stripes in the dept. Or the arrogant district attorney who is blantantly iver looking the fact that this case is unconstitutional but is atttempting to take it to trial anyway in hopes of making a name for himself. If your gonna b!+ch about something thats what it should be. Not the old man w some money who wanted a tug. My goodness

  41. It’s funny how we protect and rationalize for our “heroes” these days. Did he or didn’t he? That’s really all that matters.

  42. Wow. Who set up Kraft? Someone is hellbent about embarrassing Kraft as opposed to going after the root cause traffickers.

    Incredibly suspicious.

    Why is the story not more about supposed trafficking.

  43. Imagine you went to this spa and didn’t get any “happy ending” services. The police still videotaped you getting naked and receiving a massage, and they then watched it, probably in a group of people.

    I’m pretty sure there’s an expectation of privacy when you undress at a massage parlor. Knowing that the police are out there taping you undressing without notice and then watching you do so really feels like an issue. Typically you send an undercover agent in to avoid this kind of wholesale privacy breach.

  44. ronfromnm says:
    So, in order to keep Kraft from paying some small fine (for a billionaire any state level fine is “small”) and maybe a couple of months probation, Kraft is going to try to eliminate the ability of law enforcement to secretly record criminal activity in order to prove a case?
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    Why do you even want the police to have the ability to put surveillance camera’s in massage parlors/dressing rooms/locker rooms/bathroom stalls etc. People DO get legitimate massages, and they were recorded as well, and their recordings could also be a part of public record. Are you really okay with police possibly recording your family members changing in a dressing room/locker rooms under the guise of catching thieves? People have a right to privacy.

    Robert Kraft isnt the one that is going to make these warrants unconstitutional. The WARRANTS have always been unconstitutional, though people didnt complain as long as they were used for their intended purpose. Its Law enforcements fault if they lose these sneak and peak warrants, because they abused them.

  45. I hope they give him the maximum possible because he continues to deny he was involved even though there is video to prove he did. I hate it when rich people get a pass because they lawyer up and have plenty of money. The justice system should be the same regardless whether you are rich or not.

  46. If he’s innocent, why is the lawyer so worried about the tape? One can pixellate the undressing and dressing before release of the tape and show the legal service offered. Guys who get legitimate massages should have no worries about a tape. It would actually clear their names.

  47. So his lawyer basically just admitted Kraft is guilty, and is using that as the basis that the videos should be kept confidential. Is anyone else LOLing at this? Why did the entire Patriots staff and team have a cell phone fire at the 50 yard line at Gillette?

  48. I laugh at the people on their soapboxes screaming if Kraft loses we all lose our right to privacy. The answer is very simple. I have never been filmed by the police because I do not commit crimes and I do not go to places where crimes are being committed. If you want to keep your face off of police surveillance tape follow these simple rules.

  49. tylawspick6 says:
    March 23, 2019 at 10:14 am
    Wow. Who set up Kraft? Someone is hellbent about embarrassing Kraft as opposed to going after the root cause traffickers.

    Incredibly suspicious.

    Why is the story not more about supposed trafficking.
    _____________

    Why? Because Kraft’s refusal to admit his guilt and pay the $2.00 fine.
    This story should already be over with, but Kraft and his lawyers are Hell bent on keeping it in the headlines just so he can attain a measure of plausible deniability.

    This is exactly why everybody hates the Patriots and their gullible fans.
    I’m sure I’ll get some lecture it’s about the wins.
    Plesse, Save it. It’s a tired argument and it doesn’t pertain to me.
    My team has won plenty of games and multiple Championships.

    No, the biggest reason I hate the Patriots is the simple fact they keep getting their hands caught in the cookie jar and can never just own it, and put it behind them.
    And whatever excuse this team or it’s owner put forth, they know their dim fans will just lap it up.

  50. If the Constitution is in question, then the federal courts or even the Supreme Court may be called to make a ruling. I seriously doubt that the videos and the traffic stop will be viewed as unconstitutional by a conservative Supreme Court. Because sex trafficking may be invovled, liberal justices may not want to tie up the hands of law enforcement either. It is a long shot trying to win the case on the legality of the evidence that was gathered. It is tantamount to admitting that Kraft had sex inside that place with a prostitute for money. The league will likely see it as such because the NFL is not bound by the Constitution when it comes to disciplining owners or players.

  51. When Hugh Hefner passed away, he was lauded as a great humanitarian and magazine owner. Yet was he any different than Robert Kraft?
    Hefner ran a virtual cat house at his Playboy mansion in Chicago where drugs were abused on a daily basis and young women used their sexual charms to boost their careers and make money.
    I see no difference between what Hefner did for over 50 years verses what Kraft is alleged to have done in Florida.

  52. The illegal human trafficking was the target of the investigation. There was a court ordered search warrant to videotape the illegal activity and there was certainly enough probable cause to do a traffic stop to identify the person observed to commit a crime. I believe this case will not go away for Mr. Kraft.

  53. cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    I laugh at the people on their soapboxes screaming if Kraft loses we all lose our right to privacy. The answer is very simple. I have never been filmed by the police because I do not commit crimes and I do not go to places where crimes are being committed. If you want to keep your face off of police surveillance tape follow these simple rules.

    Do you really think crimes dont happen at the places you go? Petty crimes happen at retailers all the time. (Counterfeits happen online all the time too)

    With the way these warrants are being justified, if you have been to a locker room(steroids/other), or a bathroom(theft) or a dressing room(theft). Are you okay with you or a family member being recorded and watched in a dressing room because theft sometimes happens there? Are you okay with that video being a part of public record?

  54. So apparently state atty is an elected position – not sure about sherriff or prosecutor.

    Millionaires have money – billionaires have money AND power.

  55. streetyson says:
    March 23, 2019 at 9:18 am
    ahostiletakeover says:
    March 23, 2019 at 9:13 am
    Having a warrant for the video surveillance implies the court saw probable cause enough to issue it so what am I missing here?
    ————–
    Florida Law. It’s one of the states where you can’t record without both parties agreeing to it.
    —————————————————————————————–
    I believe the law you reference refers to communications, not normal activity. Otherwise, surveillance video would be illegal in Florida. In that regard, Florida is likely the same as other states where normal citizens appear on video an average of more than 20 times daily.

  56. Imagine if this was Irsay instead of Kraft. This article would be 95 percent Patriots fans slamming him and making jokes, demanding he sell the team and be banished from the league, yet when it is one of their own, they steadfastly defend them regardless of the evidence. What a joke disgrace laughingstock of a fanbase. Total complete hypocrites. What is it with the Patriots and being caught with illegal video tape. It never ends with this disgrace of a franchise and fanbase

  57. autumnwind999 says:
    “..Why is this even illegal? None of the government’s business. Criminalizing victimless activities creates way more problems than it solves…”

    Human trafficking is victimless?

  58. Concerning the alleged video tapes: Which tapes are his lawyers fighting release of? Media has reported that the “business” had a $200K “video security system” that included hidden cameras in ALL rooms of the establishment that was seized. Was it these tapes or the ones the cops installed via a warrant they object to?
    As for the constitutional argument, home video cameras have been ruled acceptable evidence in court. The perp caught on tape surely did not give his permission to be filmed committing a crime, which happened to Kraft in this case.
    The traffic stop: A Pennsylvania cop was just acquitted of murder in a case where he stopped a car he SUSPECTED of being involved in a crime, and, shot an unarmed black teenager. Cops have every right, howbeit misguided, to stop anyone they suspect of a crime and interrogate them for as long as they deem necessary.
    Asking for ID: I have been stopped, more than once, as both a passenger and the driver, in a vehicle for speeding and had the cop ask for ID from every person in vehicle.

    We have just endured an investigation by a special counsel into collusion in the last election, which, btw, is not even illegal. Numerous individuals were charged with crimes which had nothing to do with the collusion which was being investigated. Any investigation includes “ancillary” crimes which are discovered. or occur, in the course of the investigation.

    It appears to me that Kraft’s lawyers are admitting his guilt, merely scrambling for a loophole to get him out of punishment. Not on the same level, but, suppose a person killed a half dozen kids, caught on videotape doing it, and was found not guilty because the cops had videotape showing the deed, filmed without his consent, violating his constitutional rights. Would you Kraft defenders agree with that outcome? I thought not.

  59. exinsidetrader says:
    March 23, 2019 at 9:59 am

    If you value YOUR FREEDOM and privacy, you should want him to WIN.

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    Anyone who values their freedom should have better sense than to do an illegal transaction in a public place. That’s called being arrogant, not valuing freedom. Especially when the state is under pressure in another high profile case. Search this ‘Why was NFL’s Robert Kraft leaked, with bigger names covered up?’

  60. If there was no crime,there can be no video of a crime being committed…right? Encourage them to release any video they have Mr. Kraft, prove yourself right.

  61. If Mr. Kraft didn’t do anything, why are his lawyers so adamant about NOT releasing a video of something he didn’t do?

    C’mon Mr. Kraft, just take the deal and put this behind us.

  62. What a shift in winds. Many on here call for restraint when a cop shoots an unarmed kid but now demonize the cops for arresting dirty old men for soliciting girls. Me thinks many don’t mind because there are spas all over this country serving hypocrites and some of you are guilty. Fore!!!

  63. Probably true, but I believe that if you break the law, you shouldn’t be able to hide behind it later

  64. This is disgusting . . .our legal system is horrendous. No one in NFL ownership talked about the privacy/ constitutionality of videos being released when it was players. I’m glad we saw the Kareem Hunt/ Ray Rice videos, it shown light on their behavior . . . but why exactly is it okay for NFL owners to make decisions without players being charged, based on videos . .. but then Robert Kraft gets a pass with phenomenal high paid lawyers. Disgusting.

  65. I have mixed feelings on this.

    First, I’m disgusted at our overall judicial system, that has three tiers of legal representation:

    1. If you’re wealthy, you can get out of almost any mess. You can hire the creme de creme in legal representation, and they will scrutinize the evidence in excruciating detail. Most of you would probably be surprised at the amount of evidence is admitted in most criminal cases, that could have been ruled inadmissible due to procedure, or any hint of compromise. Then of course the best litigators, jury consultants, law firm relationships with judges, etc. can also influence an outcome.

    2. If you’re upper middle class, you might not be able to hire the best, but there are capable lawyers available, and you might just get lucky. You might find a good one, and he might be sharp, have a good relationship with the judge assigned to your case, etc. You might get out, and even if you can’t, you’ll probably escape the worst.

    3. For the middle, lower middle and poor, good luck. Public defenders are free, but as career criminals say, you get what you pay for. The lower tier, fee-based representation can be plain awful; your counsel will think that his job is to show up in a suit, shuffle some papers, and try to look prepared, but the judge and prosecution know it’s a charade.

    On the other hand, the cops in Jupiter do sound inept, from what little we know. I have a feeling this evidence will all be ruled inadmissible. We don’t know why Kraft’s vehicle was pulled over, but if there wasn’t sufficient cause, that’s a major problem. Kraft was a passenger, and though he surrendered his ID, he should never have been asked. There’s video but probably not audio in the massage parlor, which kills the transnational aspect needed to charge him for solicitation. If the cops release those tapes, the taxpayers of Jupiter, FL are going to pay dearly for the stupidity of their police department.

    The good news for all of us is that sometimes cases like this are necessary, as it tells police departments that they have to follow both the evidence gathering and their conduct by the book. Those procedures are in place to protect us.

    The bad news is for Kraft. I don’t care about the rules, he was in that massage parlor for a reason, and it wasn’t a sore shoulder. I wonder how he’s going to explain that to his grandkids.

  66. millershepherd says:
    March 23, 2019 at 12:18 pm
    This is disgusting . . .our legal system is horrendous. No one in NFL ownership talked about the privacy/ constitutionality of videos being released when it was players. I’m glad we saw the Kareem Hunt/ Ray Rice videos, it shown light on their behavior . . . but why exactly is it okay for NFL owners to make decisions without players being charged, based on videos . .. but then Robert Kraft gets a pass with phenomenal high paid lawyers. Disgusting.
    ——
    Those were private surveillance cameras on private camera’s in open area’s. They were installed with the owners knowledge and they are not hidden.

  67. kenmasters34 says:
    March 23, 2019 at 12:31 pm
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    millershepherd says:
    March 23, 2019 at 12:18 pm
    This is disgusting . . .our legal system is horrendous. No one in NFL ownership talked about the privacy/ constitutionality of videos being released when it was players. I’m glad we saw the Kareem Hunt/ Ray Rice videos, it shown light on their behavior . . . but why exactly is it okay for NFL owners to make decisions without players being charged, based on videos . .. but then Robert Kraft gets a pass with phenomenal high paid lawyers. Disgusting.
    ——
    Those were private surveillance cameras on private property in open area’s. They were installed with the owners knowledge and they are not hidden.

  68. It’s pretty simple — If you don’t want your constitutional rights violated don’t commit a crime in the first place.

  69. Always the fact when you get caught you look for some excuse why your not guilty of nothing more than looking stupid, pay the fine move on, all this lawyer hype makes you look worse and so arrogant you think maybe someone actually belies you were not there and you were not there for a sexual reason. Maybe you can throw the wool over the eyes of ones in New England but the rest sees through the lawyer mumble jumble.

  70. People, you are making way to much out of this. Fact.. Kraft broke a law. Fact… Prostitution is illegal in the state of Florida. Fact.. Kraft will not go to prison because of this misdemeanor charge. Fact.. there will be some sort of discipline handed down by the NFL whether or not Kraft wins the case or has the charges reduced, because that is the policy of the NFL. Forget conspiracy theories, forget the power of the rich and famous, forget so called illegal traffic stops, this is a clear cut case of soliciting in a state where it is illegal.Aside from the embarrassment, Kraft’s biggest worry comes at the hands of Roger Goddell.

  71. If the Fourth Amendment is the Amendment securing The People the right not to be grossed out by a skeezy old man getting off, then YES this video would be a clear Violation.

  72. There was no human trafficking.

    Everyone should be bothered by how this video and others in this case were obtained. Where else can law enforcement put hidden cameras?…gym locker rooms, public bathrooms, your or my home?

  73. Aight, so a traffic cam records me running a red light… illegal! 4th amendment! Cop sees me and pulls me over… illegal! Constitution!

    Your boy is really, really reaching, here.

  74. flipola says:
    March 23, 2019 at 2:45 pm
    Aight, so a traffic cam records me running a red light… illegal! 4th amendment! Cop sees me and pulls me over… illegal! Constitution!

    Your boy is really, really reaching, here.
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    DO you know how a red light camera works? A cop doesnt pull you over when you are recorded running a red light. Also thats on a public road, and camera’s are fully disclosed before you get to them.

  75. “especially since the video evidence supposedly contains private moments between [two or more] people”

    A day spa is a business. Prostitution is “the oldest profession”.

    Ruling that a business transaction and service is a “private moment between two parties” would then apply to all businesses. The ramifications would be enormous.

    I’m pretty certain a judge would recognize this. Kraft’s lawyers should come up with a new strategy.

  76. So, if the video shows what we think it does, but the lawyers contend there was no offer of payment for services rendered, then it was a freebie?
    Maybe they should claim he was assaulted, but was too old and feeble to resist?
    I don’t see a theory of the case here from the defense that doesn’t still drag Kraft through the mud.
    I also think they are bluffing. If the evidence doesn’t get thrown out entirely, they will never go to trial.

  77. In order to obtain the warrant to place the video in the spa law enforcement went to a judge. They felt that they had enough PC to put in the camera. Judge agreed. So basically they had permission. But it’s all up for interpretation. Mike you’re an attorney? What is your opinion?

  78. tylawspick6 says:
    March 23, 2019 at 10:14 am
    Wow. Who set up Kraft? Someone is hellbent about embarrassing Kraft as opposed to going after the root cause traffickers.
    Incredibly suspicious.
    Why is the story not more about supposed trafficking.
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    Nobody set up Kraft. But it’s sad that you’re such an apologist for the guy that you would compromise your values just because he is the Patriots’ owner. I’ll bet you thought Aaron Hernandez was unjustly prosecuted and was innocent as well.

  79. Why some people feeling sorry for Kraft he’s a billionaire who stupidly put himself in this situation he deserves whatever he gets. I think Gooddell should suspend him at least a year.

  80. so of all the spa’s in Jupiter they targeted this one? With the DA up for re-election? and Zero further investigation into Human Trafficking? yeah not orchestrated at all

  81. julian79rn4l says:
    March 23, 2019 at 7:21 pm
    Why some people feeling sorry for Kraft he’s a billionaire who stupidly put himself in this situation he deserves whatever he gets. I think Gooddell should suspend him at least a year.
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    And your job should let you go because you got a traffic ticket

  82. Who really cares what his lawyers say? He was obviously there even if the police did something illegal..
    He has enough money, that going to a place like that has to be embarrassing. Serves him right, we all now know what he does as a pastime.
    What a stupid man. Next time be more careful, we don’t need to know.

  83. It is laughable the number of people commenting on what is legal what is not legal and questioning the legal acumen of a person who actually does this legal work for a living. Guilty or not guilty, makes no difference to me. My question is, why would a billionaire go to a strip mall for a massage? Hell, if he is guilty why would a billionaire go to a strip mall for a happy ending? With all the money any one person could ever need (and status to boot!), you choose a strip mall for such an intimate activity? Dude, get a room in one of them posh hotels and you do you. Your business stays your business, legal or illegal.

    And for the geniuses comparing video on the street (public space with not right to expect privacy) to recordings in a massage parlor (reasonable right to expect privacy that you do not forfeit unless you are made aware of such recordings and proceed anyway), please stop… just stop. You are embarrassing yourselves.

  84. Lot of money to a lot of lawyers to obliterate the whole case and make the prosecutor’s office in Florida that tried to take out an NFL owner look really stupid.

  85. Fine him, give him his community service, and just because he wants to waste everyone’s time and money, give him his 1 year in prison. They were running a sting, you got caught on tape, and you want to fight, why? Just take your licks like a man…oh…in more ways than one.

  86. This is about two things

    1) Roberts reputation (Destroyed, He was caught, he is guilty)
    2) The constitutional right of an american to defend themselves in court (by all means necessary). (the cops could have handled this better, it s a misdemeanor. They didn’t need to smear this all over the media, then embarrass the man, and then threaten him). Now it looks like they have handed the states attorney a lemon of a case.

    Kraft is gonna walk , IMO , violating a persons constitutional rights in making an arrest is not a technicality. It is exactly how the founding fathers intended the constitution to work.

    Just saying.

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