One rule proposal would let coaches challenge uncalled penalties in replay

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For years, there have been calls for the NFL to expand instant replay to allow coaches to challenge an uncalled penalty. And for years, the argument against that has been that it’s opening a Pandora’s box where every big play by one team is followed by a challenge from the coach of the other team, who says, “I think there was holding on that play.” And if the officiating office looks closely enough, they can probably find holding on every play.

But a proposal the owners will consider next week allows uncalled penalties to be reviewed — only if the coach can cite a specific penalty committed by a specific player.

“Once a challenge is initiated, the Head Coach must provide the Referee with the specific player (jersey number) and the specific foul that was committed on the play, regardless of whether there was a penalty called by the on-field officiating crew,” the proposal states.

In other words, Saints coach Sean Payton could have challenged the pass interference non-call on Rams defensive back Nickell Robey-Coleman in the NFC Championship Game, and that call would have been made in replay. But a coach couldn’t simply challenge a play and tell the referee, “I think you can find a penalty.”

The proposal was made by Washington — not by the Competition Committee, which has put forward a narrower replay proposal for the owners to consider next week. The broad proposal put forward by Washington has previously been proposed by Patriots coach Bill Belichick, so it appears that at least two teams will vote for it. But it takes 24 of 32 votes to change a rule, and in the past other owners have been much more cautious about broadly expanding replay.

45 responses to “One rule proposal would let coaches challenge uncalled penalties in replay

  1. No. Correcting bad calls makes sense, but intervening for non-calls is silly as you can literally find a penalty on every play of every game.

    Saints’ fans, it’s time to grow up and take your loss with some dignity. Move on.

  2. You’re missing the bigger point – the way rules are written now, any tricky tacky version has to be called on replay.

    For example, oficials let go a lot of borderline contact between receiver and cornerback (ie hand checking, slight push offs, arm bars, etc) that technically are OPI/DPI, but on replay, they’ll have to be called. You can’t have a grey area where an official says ‘play on’.

    And what if the violation occurred FAR AWAY from the actually play (ie WR holds the CB on the opposite side of a run)? Sorry, have to call those too now. No room for official’s discretion to ignore a penalty that had ZERO impact.

  3. And what is the difference? I seen holding, No. 88, tight end. The broadcasters go through every angle, and constantly come up with “Think they may have got away with one there”.

  4. The rule should look like this:
    2-RED FLAG CHALLENGE per half.
    You can challenge a play or non call.
    **If you are correct then ref crew will make/correct action on that play in question.**
    •If the challenge of a non-call fails penalties for a failed RFG should be:
    ON OFFENSE
    1- loss of down
    1-loss of time out
    15-yard loss

    ON DEFENSE
    Gives up -1st down.
    10 yard walked off
    team loses a TO.
    these would only effect “non-call” challenges.
    This would insure a team from abusing the challenge system.
    If the league sees a situation in a game then it can call for a review by the head ref.

    Quick thought

  5. akira1971 says: “You’re missing the bigger point – the way rules are written now, any *ticky tacky version has to be called on replay.”
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    I can think of a few more that happens regularly now that officials don’t call, but will have to on replay.

    Remember when Dee Ford lined up offside but said usually the first time it happens, the officials let it go and just warn the player? Guess what, no more warnings – which mean more penalty flags every game. Oh joy. And even having one hand across the LOS will constitute offsides. No grey areas.

    How about offensive linemen can’t be more than two yards beyond the LOS blocking before the RB crosses the line on a run play? Officials let it go now when they’re a bit early, but again on replay, those are technically penalties that’ll be called.

    Or how about the rule that WR can’t start blocking more that one yard beyond the LOS on those passes? Yup, have to call those penalties if the contact was at the 1 1/2 yard because, you know, no more grey areas.

    Basically, the point is, everything can be called on replay and it’s not hard to find one to single out to negate a big play.

  6. Some of these rules are getting crazy. Get ready for the 4 hour football game. If they want to keep a screw up like last year happening, only allow a challenge once in the final two minutes of the game.

  7. Yes! – make every play (not just calls) challengeable but teams still having a limited number of challenges so it don’t lengthen the game. NFL wouldn’t take Belichick’s long-held view because of Parity Rules – i.e. he knows rules better than most/all refs and so would’ve had an advantage.

  8. Hard to figure out how I feel about that one! Better definitions of certain penalties would help. Perhaps a replay official on every game who can buzz the field with calls not made would be better?

  9. Well that’s great the coach can challenge an uncalled foul but if you had a Sky Judge also you’d have a double layer of protection against missed calls.

  10. Do they really need to change the rules because the Saints failed to score in overtime? Losing teams will always find a way to blame the refs.

  11. The NFL is billion dollar sport, frankly it can afford to extend the officiating crew for each game to include an equal number of officials observing the game from off the field and co-ordinating with the on field crew. There should be people watching with the naked eye from high positions within the stadium and there should be people with access to every camera angle giving feedback to the Referee via radio in real time.

    There is no longer any need to rely on the number guys you can fit on the field without interfering with play. Technology has improved to the point that it should be easy to integrate off-field observers into the officiating crew.

  12. This wouldn’t help Saints in the NFC game anyway because it was under 2 mins and all challenges would then come from the booth.

    Also, if Saints had the opportunity to challenge the Rams would have time to find that there was a missed hands to the face and would have also challenged

  13. akira1971 says:
    March 23, 2019 at 8:23 am
    akira1971 says: “You’re missing the bigger point – the way rules are written now, any *ticky tacky version has to be called on replay.”
    —————————–

    I can think of a few more that happens regularly now that officials don’t call, but will have to on replay.

    Remember when Dee Ford lined up offside but said usually the first time it happens, the officials let it go and just warn the player? Guess what, no more warnings – which mean more penalty flags every game. Oh joy. And even having one hand across the LOS will constitute offsides. No grey areas.

    How about offensive linemen can’t be more than two yards beyond the LOS blocking before the RB crosses the line on a run play? Officials let it go now when they’re a bit early, but again on replay, those are technically penalties that’ll be called.

    Or how about the rule that WR can’t start blocking more that one yard beyond the LOS on those passes? Yup, have to call those penalties if the contact was at the 1 1/2 yard because, you know, no more grey areas.

    Basically, the point is, everything can be called on replay and it’s not hard to find one to single out to negate a big play.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    What is your point? It seems to be “Let them cheat if it makes the game go faster”. People almost always blame the officials for a high number of penalties and demand less flags. Maybe it’s time we started demanding the players stop committing fouls. Coaches and players have for decades knowingly committed fouls to see what they could get away with to gain an unfair advantage. Pete Carroll came out and said it was the Seahawks’ strategy to commit high numbers of fouls because the officials would stop calling them as the game got closer to the end.

  14. Simply put, this proposal, which should be overwhelmingly approved by NFL owners, will not lengthen the duration of the game, as it does NOT increase the number of challenges already allowed for each team.

  15. If this is an attempt to make the replay system so bad that everyone just wants to do away with the whole idea of replay, then I’d say it’s a great idea. Yes, let’s make the games last 4 hours. Let’s stop every team’s momentum. Yes, let’s turn football into a chess match between people who don’t wear helmets and shoulder pads. This is as bad as moving the extra point back to allow place kickers to have more power to affect games than the actual football players. Who comes up with these insane ideas? The college game has one or more refs watching video monitors in the booth, and they quickly fix things before anyone even knows they fixed things. It doesn’t slow down the game and it corrects a ton of calls or would-be calls. But that makes too much sense. I’ve always felt the NFL was determined to make replay as horrible as possible so that it becomes unpopular. Then they can control whatever it is they feel they need to control.

  16. I welcome such a rule change, but it comes too late to change the outcome of the last Super Bowl Frisco played in. Jim Harbaugh complained about defensive holding that was not called on the final pass play from Kap to Crab, which went incomplete.

  17. Belichick supports it which means it would improve the game and should be adopted. It also means that it will be voted down due to envy, resentment, fear, and stupidity.

  18. I think any changes will take away more of or all of the human element of the game. Missed calls have been a part of ALL sports since the beginning its part of the game. You can’t make an imperfect world a perfect world its just being realistic. What’s next players controlling Robots on the field with a remote from their homes. When does it end once you start

  19. This rule proposal recognizes one irrefutable fact: no one is perfect. Even good refs can miss a call, as happened to N.O. in the NFC Championship Game (and which probably cost them a trip to the Super Bowl). I witnessed at least three game-altering “no calls” last year with my team (Cleveland) — any of the three of them could easily have resulted in a Browns win. To oppose this common sense proposal is to perpetuate an unsustainable and illogical situation. I certainly hope that the Haslams will vote for it since their (my) team fell victim to the current nonsense several times last year.

  20. It’s funny seeing all these comments about having to call penalties on every play. First, if players don’t know the rules or intentionally violate them, then they SHOULD be called on every play. Don’t want penalties, play by the F’ing (shout out to Sims) rules. Second, coaches have limited challenges, so they can’t challenge on every play. Don’t be silly. They will reserve them for key plays, like the one in the Saints game, for example.

  21. This will get tough. Because there are penalties committed almost every play. Just came up short on a key first down? Have your guys upstairs scouring the video for what you are going to gang it on. Meanwhile your opponent’s guys upstairs willbe doing the same to counter whatever you came up with.

    We have a single incident of an egregious penalty being amazingly missed at a key juncture of a big game. No one can deny how bad the jncident was. But it was still a single incident, not something happening every game. No matter how bad the incident was they should not turn the game on its ear over it.

  22. The games wouldn’t be any longer.
    People who say that are just whistling on whatever the media mouth says.
    And who cares I personally like long games, family, food, football, drinks it can last 18 hours!

  23. They already allow it in soccer, or English football. A referee can use the review to call a foul even though no foul was called in real time. Most often it is used for offside calls, but some personal fouls and even penalty kicks have been called after seeing a replay. Personally I saw quite a few games in the past when interference non-calls determined the outcome of the game, including one a couple years back when Richard Charmin interfered with Julio Jones but no foul was called. Last season Chicago won at least a couple of times when their defensive backs got away with interference and no flags were thrown.

  24. Reading all this baloney from the NFL makes me think the NFL simply doesn’t necessarily want to get calls right. That’s make me think why even let a coach challenge anything? It just a way for another TV commercial. Go back to the 60’s. Take away replay altogether. Let the refs decide everything, who wins and who loses. Let the odds makers have a say in who wins. Who cares what the public thinks or even wants. They’re just a bunch of stooges here to serve the NFL. This seems to be the attitude of the NFL.

    Put an official up in a box and allow him the right to call down to the ref on the field to stop play and review a play that he thinks was a grievous mistake on a call or non call. That’s his only duty. He’s not there to replay every single play. Just the ones where an obvious error was made. It’s past time to get every single mistake corrected. It worked in the AAF and at the college level. It will work in the NFL as well. That is unless the NFL doesn’t care or perhaps has a much different agenda in mind!

  25. No good! saints need to get over the loss, the new season is here. ” I believe that # 76 was holding my DE on that last play, oops did I say 76 I meant # 72″ , no good, don’t want it, teams will not pass.

  26. Have hated this OT rule since the first time I heard about it. How stupid to give one team the win if they score a TD first and the other team doesn’t even get a chance.
    Who the heck wants to see the game decided by a coin flip ? Not me.

  27. If you can find holding on every play, doesn’t that make the officiating of holding arbitrary and rediculous. Yes it does, and it is. So you need standards. So OK holding is tough but sometimes on pass interference either the tackler hits before or after the ball got there. This call may be humanly impossible to make in real time but can be made easily on replay. But the NFL wants to go with the random call that can’t be humanly made. The NFL is more interested in disguising the totally normal fallability of its officials than it is in getting the call right.
    .

  28. A rule like this wouldn’t affect the length of the game if it was only allowed to be called say, twice, during the game.

  29. Anybody else notice that before calls could be challenged, fans complained about the refs a fair amount. But now that the league used replay review, fans seem to complain about the refs even more?

    It hasn’t helped a bit, and only served to make games even slower. Plus it’s kind of a bummer to see a play that helps your team happen only to have to wonder if its going to be reversed.

  30. The difference in the Saints game is that it was a deliberate and flagrant foul with a shot to the head of a defenseless receiver, committted, by the Rams player’s own admission, to prevent what he knew would be a game clinching first down after he blew the coverage. That is the kind of foul that the league has brayed for years is the one foul they will not tolerate. Except this time.

  31. Make flagrant fouls review able. It happened away from the play or it happened at the play and the infraction had some prejudice. Like Gronk elbow dropping, Landry jumping at heads or Robey going for a hit and not the ball.

  32. I’m opposed to all this. Let the players play, and let the refs make the calls. There is a human element involved. Practically every player is going the commit some penalty on every play. Practically every referee is going to call or miss that penalty on any given play. Leave the coaches on the sidelines with nothing to say about it.

  33. longtime fan here. human error is and always has been part of the game. controversy keeps the nfl the king. stop being so soft.

  34. If they don ‘t change the number of challenges per game (or maybe add 1), I like this.

  35. Yes, under such a rule, the Saints would have been able to challenge the PI non call.

    And under such a rule, the Rams would have been able to challenge the facemask non call on the previous drive that would have rendered the PI non call largely irrelevant.

    The game was full of bad non calls that went both ways. If you’re only concerned about one, you either didn’t watch the game and/or are really just more angered by the result than correct refereeing.

  36. I watched the game, in fact was there, and the facemask call fits right in with the headshot that knocked out the Saints TE, uncalled, and the blown PI on Ginn. The difference, Boff, is this was a deliberate and intentional foul of the kind the league says they will never tolerate. Rebut that if you can.

  37. That’s easy to rebut. If you watch games in general, you know deliberate fouls (at least the PI, not hitting him in the head) happen all the time, not only PI to prevent a TD from a blown coverage, but Offensive Linemen holding rather than letting their QB take the sack.

    Or, say, a face mask to prevent a TD.

    Yes, the blown PI was more obvious than these, but it didn’t make missing the others not bad non calls. And thus I repeat, if you only care about that one bad non call in a game full of them, your concern isn’t injustice, you’re just unhappy with the outcome.

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