Report: Cardinals have been offered a second-round pick for Josh Rosen

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Some have insisted that the Cardinals won’t get more than a third-round pick for quarterback Josh Rosen. They’ve reportedly already been offered a second-round pick for Rosen.

Joel Klatt, who serves as a college football and NFL draft analyst for FOX, identified on Wednesday three teams as being “very interested” in the 10th overall pick from 2018: The Patriots, the Giants, and the Chargers.

Per Klatt, one of those teams already has offered a second-round pick for Rosen, the former UCLA quarterback. The Cardinals, according to Klatt, are holding firm for a first-round pick.

At the risk of speculating on sources, Klatt’s status as a college football analyst and FOX’s presence in Southern California invites curiosity as to whether this report bears the fingerprints of Rosen, a former UCLA quarterback who may be getting a little antsy about his uncertain status in Arizona and who may be looking to exercise a little control over the narrative.

Regardless of how it all plays out, we’ll have the answer four weeks from tonight — if not sooner. Which leads to a separate issue that will be the topic of a future post, because my attention span is as limited as your’s and I need a break to go check my phone.

99 responses to “Report: Cardinals have been offered a second-round pick for Josh Rosen

  1. I don’t think it’s NE, simply because this story has broken. Kingsbury should know better than to leak any potential dealings with BB to the press.

    A huge no no, so it’s not NE, at least now. So, it has to be SD or NYGs. The offer is off the table if this was BB even considering it.

    I am sure they kicked the tires, though.

  2. Not a Josh Rosen fan but I do believe he can have some success in the right organization. Maybe a team such as Pittsburgh or New England that aren’t going to ask him to come in and start right away. No way would I deal a first, and I’m very iffy with a second, but I’d definitely do a third for him. Way too early to give up on the guy.

  3. So funny that five teams are interested, but once you hear the Pats might be, all of a sudden the reset of the league is like, maybe we should be looking at Josh Rosen?

    It’s amazing the influence that Bill Belichik has and the slight of hand. Look at the shiny toy! While the Pats make a Mastermind transaction away from the hype.

  4. Smokescreen. Best to let it all play out over draft week and maximize your leverage. If some team offers a ridiculous ransom for the #1 pick, you take it and keep Rosen. Keep your options open.

  5. There’s no way the Cardinals are going to get a 1st-round pick for him. Even a 2nd-round pick seems unlikely.

  6. I bet it’s the Pats. Their 2 2nds are #24(from Bears) and #32. Not much better than a 3rd. It would fit their value MO.

  7. Cardinals are taking Murrey with first pick. That being said, they should also keep Rosen. They would have two young,talented qbs on rookie contracts. Qb driven league and having two high picks on the roster is a good commodity to have.

  8. With or without Rosen, if Kingsbury drafts Murray he will be teaching a new system to 2 quarterbacks and will have no chance of fielding a competitive team in 2019. Case Keenum is the only QB in the NFL that knows Kingsbury offense from college, where he set and broke school records. So Josh Rosen to Washington for Case Keenum and a third this year and an obtainable third next year based on goals met. I think that’s the safest boat floatin’

  9. The price must be set at a first round pick, minimum. Anyone writing off a potential franchise QB after a rough rookie year on an awful team are idiots. There are countless franchise QBs who stunk it up their rookie year (Peyton Manning, Jared Goff, etc).

    My thought process is that the Patriots would absolutely draft Rosen with the 32nd pick if he were available in this draft. That should be the starting point for Arizona and they shouldn’t take anything less. If Sam Bradford is worth a 1 and Teddy Bridgewater worth a 3, 22 year old Rosen on a rookie contract is absolutely worth a 1. Don’t kid yourselves.

  10. Second sounds about right, Giants should be the leading suitors! Don’t think a first will be in any offer but crazier things have happened. I’m sure Rosen thinks he is worth a first plus! These games that teams play during the draft period border on ridiculous. Why the damn secrets? Either deal him if that is your intent or shut it down and publicly state”Rosen is our man.” Or maybe the Cards are waiting for a Ditka like offer!

  11. Klatt doesnt know what he’s talking about. Arizona has yet to even shop Josh Rosen, teams have called and might of offered something in those calls but they’ve been told Rosen is not available. Both Gruden and the Giants have even said he’s not available but all of the sudden Joel Klatt, a guy not known for breaking news says something and it is being taken as gospel?? I dont think AZ moves Josh Rosen but if Steve Keim trades Josh Rosen to draft a 5″9 QB he will go down as one of the worst GM’s of all time and it will be a well deserved reputation. Bidwill is a dumb dumb if he is really entertaining letting Keim do this.

  12. So lets see, the Cardinals a perennial loser team is going to give up a high 1st round pick QB that at least has arm talent, but was surrounded by a really bad coaching staff and a team that lacked talent (Mr Keim) for a QB that won the Heisman.

    History time. In the modern era, say back to the 80’s only Carson Palmer would be considered the only non-bust and I think he had 1 or 2 playoff wins (not counting Baker or Jackson, too early to evaluate). Maybe a few more had/having decent careers and were solid. The rest are bust, well except Charlie Ward who was smart enough to go the NBA. See a pattern, a crappy desperate teams drafts an over-hyped QB simply because he looked very good going against inferior talent in college (all college teams are inferior at about 2% of draft eligible players get drafted, which means a lot of teams have no NFL type talent). It looks like the Cards are pointing out a grand slam, and if history holds true they will land flat on their face, with a grounder to 3rd for a triple play.

    As Rosen leads the Pats to another Superbowl…

  13. I actually had the mispleasure of watching several Rosen games last season. Even when he had time to throw he would skip passes off the turf or overthrow his target. Then he’d thread the needle like Brett Favre. This was basically one of the knocks on him coming out of college. Teams might think they’re getting that Favre potential but I wouldn’t burn a second round pick for that. He’s more of a Jeff George type imo.

  14. thesmartestmaneversnextdoorneighbor says:
    March 28, 2019 at 10:42 am
    With or without Rosen, if Kingsbury drafts Murray he will be teaching a new system to 2 quarterbacks and will have no chance of fielding a competitive team in 2019. Case Keenum is the only QB in the NFL that knows Kingsbury offense from college, where he set and broke school records. So Josh Rosen to Washington for Case Keenum and a third this year and an obtainable third next year based on goals met. I think that’s the safest boat floatin’

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    Laughably stupid trade proposal. If Arizona wanted Keenum they could of just traded a 6th or 7th round pick for him whatever it was the Redskins just gave up. Arizona has zero interest in Keenum , only a team as a desperate as the Skins would be that desperate to not only give up draft capital for Keenum but take on his salary as well. Arizona wont trade Josh Rosen for less than a 1st if they even trade him. AZ definitely is not going to give him away, they’ll just keep him and build around him.

  15. If they truly believed that he was worth a first round pick, they wouldn’t be trading him just to roll the dice in the draft again.

    They will end up taking a 2nd for him.

  16. The Cardinals are gonna suck again this year with either Murray or Rosen. If they can get a King’s ransom for the top pick, take it! You’ll end up with all those picks plus another top 3-5 pick next year (in all likelihood). That’s a better QB draft class anyway! When you need as much as they need, this seems like a no-brainer.

  17. Rosen could easily be a bust. I will reserve judgement on him for the next year or two. The Cards certainly don’t seem to be banging the drum on how they want to keep him as their QB of the future, and new HC Kingsbury and GM Steve Keim are reportedly Smitten with Kyler Murray.

    The Cards O-line needs a whole lot of work – Rosen took 45 sacks in 13 games and 10 fumbles – but a percentage of that was also on Rosen. He was a rookie, so I will cut him some slack, but he sure made a lot of rookie mistakes.

  18. It’s the Giants. They have several needs and would like to use that #6 pick at another position. Sit Rosen for a year behind Eli and then make the change in 2020.

  19. Yeah, pretty much any/all trade/draft news 3 weeks before draft is all smoke and mirrors.

    IE, probably leaked by AZ to try and increase Rosen value.

  20. BB is not the talent evaluator everyone thinks he is. He passed up Brady five times, too. If he was a genius, Brady would’ve been his first round pick.

  21. Is he really that bad? Kid looks like he can really develop into a great qb. Didnt watch enough of him his rookie year, but he looked nice in college. Either way Arizona is playing this game perfectly. Theyll either get a nice pick for Rosen, of they could be bluffing and take a kings ransom for the 1st overall pick.

  22. If you can get a 2nd for Rosen this year then you trade him. You dont draft Murray, keep Rosen, and then trade Rosen next year for a 3rd. These guys are like cars after you drive them off of a lot….the value goes south.

  23. Remember, the cards traded (I believe) a 3rd and 5th to move up about 5 spots to take a QB who had the 2nd to last QBR in the whole NFL last year. Keim would have fired the OC (mccoy) who he hand picked for wills, fired the HC he hired, and now changed the QB. The common denominator is Keim. He’s been atrocious. Here’s a stat for you. Steve Keim In 7 years has NEVER signed any of his 1st or 2nd rounders to a second contract. Which suggests when they arrive in the building, they are t the player he thought. Misevaluation!! He needs to go!!!

  24. @HawkKiller: Keenum salary this year is 3.5 Million as Denver split it in the trade. Arizona May well have targeted Keenum, but the Redskins moved first. So there is no Kings ransom. It’s a one year deal. So Arizona gets a mentor to Kyler while moving Rosen. While it may interfere with your offseason hopes. Any smart coach going into that situation would no doubt consider this move.

  25. I wouldn’t be too high on the Pats – Brady, 42 in Aug, looks to be going to 45, so they’ve time. AND they really like Danny Etling – who despite PS was at every first-team QB meeting and on every game sideline, auditing as an undressed rookie – only the 2nd time that’s been done.

    Pats may not start seriously looking for a year or 2. Not least because of future cap issues, due to the way Brady has always backloaded contracts, they’ll wan’t a QB with as much rookie contract left as possible. If they got Rosen now, and Brady plays 3 more yrs they’d be needing to talk contracts with Rosen immediately. Plus Rosen won’t be happy sitting for 2-3 yrs.

  26. PersonaNonGrata says:
    March 28, 2019 at 10:52 am
    If they truly believed that he was worth a first round pick, they wouldn’t be trading him just to roll the dice in the draft again.
    They will end up taking a 2nd for him.
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    #1 – They did feel he was worthy of a 1st, a 3rd, and a 5th round pick.

    #2 – Playing as a rookie on a 2018 team w/ horrible O-line and lacking WR/TE weapons likely doesn’t change anything about how teams view Rosen as a prospect.

    #3 – They are “rolling the dice” with either Rosen or Murray, since neither has played enough in the NFL to come to a conclusion on how good they can become.

    #4 – If Arizona concludes Murray is a superior prospect to Rosen, then they should take him regardless of the state of the rest of the roster or how much compensation they can get for Rosen in a trade. Getting the QB position right is the most important step to building a consistent winning team.

    #5 – Since the QB position is so important, and since Rosen has 3 years left at a low salary… the Cardinals should not trade Rosen for anything less than a 1st round pick. He may not be happy to be a back-up QB, but he doesn’t have any leverage. He is not a proven star like AB, so he really can’t “force” his way out. He could hold out, but it wouldn’t be much of a distraction because nobody cares if a backup QB doesn’t show up to hold the clipboard. On the other hand, holding on to him would provide insurance if Murray were injured and at a salary still lower than most veteran backup QBs.

    #6 – It wouldn’t be surprising for a team to give a 1st round pick.
    The Dolphins, Redskins, Giants, Patriots, Chargers, Broncos, and Bengals all need a QB now or in the next few years. I didn’t even add the Saints since they pretty much have to wait to get Brees’ successor due to cap constraints. That is at least 25% of the NFL that could be in the market for a young, cheap QB with potential to become a starter.

    In recent history, Bradford was traded for a #1 even with a high salary. Bridgewater and Tyrod Taylor fetched 3rd round picks to be a backup and a stop-gap starter.

    I’m not saying I agree with it, but even average QBs command higher picks in trades than most would think. Rosen has more potential than those players and has a lower salary.

  27. i thumbs down your comment says:
    March 28, 2019 at 10:26 am
    So funny that five teams are interested, but once you hear the Pats might be, all of a sudden the reset of the league is like, maybe we should be looking at Josh Rosen?

    There are three teams interested, counting the Pats, all of whom have identical QB situations and can afford to take the risk. The rest of the league doesn’t care, except perhaps for Jon Gruden because he can’t help himself.

  28. I can’t believe some team is dumb enough to give up a 2nd for him. No way they get a first from him. Why would you trade a first-round pick for a guy who sucks when you could draft a guy in the first-round this year with the chance he might not suck as bad as Rosen. Then you add in the injuries and his mental fragility and it’s a no-brainer. I wouldn’t trade a cup of coffee for Rosen.

  29. Giants would easily offer one of thier 1st round picks. But it’s more likely the giants, raiders, Miami try to move up to the first overall pick and the cards trade back.

  30. It could be the Patriots, but so far their name has been involved in every big deal this offseason. I feel like Agents just throw them into the conversation to help raise the price.

  31. Word has it he’s the last guy into the locker room and the first guy out. Buyer beware…

  32. I won’t say Rosen is a bust, but I can’t say Rosen is a franchise QB either. Rosen has some strength, but also some weakness. Rosen needs a system that allows his strengths to show through. Rosen a basically a drop back style QB. He not a scrambler and doesn’t extend many plays. He can be accurate as a pocket passer when he has the time. He was injured a few times in college. Some coaches questioned his toughness. As a result Rosen developed an attitude, which didn’t help his draft status last year.

    Now it’s all about what offense the Cardinals want to run under Kingsbury., or probably more correctly what Bidwell and Keim want Kingsbury to run. Will it be wide open, or more traditional. The first pick will tell us.

    I’m sure the Cards want a #1 pack for Rosen if they go with Murray. Right now other teams don’t want to give up a #1 pick. As the draft approaches and players get linked to certain teams, some team who covets a QB, may decide it’s better to give a #1 pick to get Rosen. That appears to be a gamble the Cards are willing to take, if Murray is the man. Then again the Cards may be holding out simply to get a couple of draft choices back for the number 1 pick in the draft. Say another 1st rounder and a 2nd round pick. It may have nothing to do about Rosen. It’s all a gamble and the Cards are playing it close to the vest.

  33. The Cards would better off trading Rosen for a combo of picks like a 4th, 5th and 6th to help make up for the 3rd and 5th Keim would be wasting by giving up on Rosen. On a team with such bad talent they need all the picks they can get praying a few work out versus another wasted 1st round or 2nd round pick by Keim, if he trades Rosen that would be misses in the past 6 or 7 drafts for the top of their board. And based on Keim’s drafting record and talent evaluation, the odds are not good for Murray.

  34. The Giants arent trading one of their 1st rounders for Rosen. Mara would fire Gettleman on the spot.The Giants have a high 2nd round pick….that’s MORE than enough.

  35. ricko1112 says:

    I hope it wasn’t the Patriots…
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    If it is the theme will be “It’s a low risk move” and “Belichick is a genius”. Any other team and it will be 100% negative. I wouldn’t waste a 2nd rounder on this bust, myself.

  36. If it is a top 5 2nd round pick then they should probably take it at this point as Rosen most likely doesn’t even want to play for the Cardinals anymore after this shambolic off-season. What a way to treat your QB!

  37. Gee, if Rosen’s so bad and the Cards were so bad last year, how come Seattle needed help to beat them by only three points each game? If the Cardinals are as bad as you say, then Seattle’s on the way to imminent rebuild. Or, the Cardinals aren’t actually all that bad, and will easily surpass Seattle and Frisco with the addition of a few key pieces.

  38. tylawspick6 says:
    March 28, 2019 at 10:23 am
    I don’t think it’s NE, simply because this story has broken. Kingsbury should know better than to leak any potential dealings with BB to the press.
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    Why? Is Belichick gonna beat him up or something? What makes him any different from others checking in on Rosen?

  39. It’s highly questionable that the Cardinals were offered a second-rounder at this point. The only one who would have told a writer that would be the Cardinals, and they probably just want people to think there’s intense interest for him in order to drive up the market.

  40. Hard to believe they would get a 1st round pick, unless there were also sending back picks and/or players along with Rosen. But, I guess it never hurts to ask.

  41. Of course, the Patriots 2nd round pick is the very last pick in the second round. The 64th overall pick. That would be pretty good value for them to get Rosen for that pick.

  42. As a Browns fan, I was initially hoping for Rosen before the draft process unfolded last year. By the time the Browns turned in the card, I was all-in on Baker because of his personality and the fit in CLE. Rosen seems to have all of the tools to be a good one in the NFL if he goes to the right city and right franchise. The Chargers, Giants and Pats all make sense, and a 2nd round pick would be great value. I’m guessing it will take a 2nd and something like a 3rd in 2020.

  43. Giants need a QB now a lot more than the Chargers do, and I’m not sure Rosen is a great project for any team with a good QB now (Chargers). Rosen’s value is hurt that he’s paid like a top 10 pick plus only has 4 years of control left (vs 5 for any 1st rounder picked this year). Eli is as good as done, but Phillip Rivers is still going strong and if he plays 2-3 years, you’re looking at very little starting opportunity for a guy becoming a free agent a year or 2 later.

  44. bobmillion says:
    March 28, 2019 at 1:03 pm
    The Cards would better off trading Rosen for a combo of picks like a 4th, 5th and 6th to help make up for the 3rd and 5th Keim would be wasting by giving up on Rosen.
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    Last pick in the 2nd round = 270 points on draft value chart.
    First 3 picks of 4th round combined (103,104,105) = 258 total points.
    First pick of round 4,5,6 combined (103,139,174) = 146 total points.

    I’ll admit that high picks have too much emphasis on the draft chart values, but it is obvious that ANY 2nd round pick is far superior to a bunch of day 3 picks.

    I realize that the point was to bash Keim’s drafting ability, but throwing those picks out as a suggestion pretty much torpedoed the post.

  45. Vikings are one, they want to develop a young QB the next 2 years then kick Cousins to the curb.

  46. jm91rs says:
    March 28, 2019 at 2:42 pm
    Giants need a QB now a lot more than the Chargers do, and I’m not sure Rosen is a great project for any team with a good QB now (Chargers). Rosen’s value is hurt that he’s paid like a top 10 pick plus only has 4 years of control left (vs 5 for any 1st rounder picked this year). Eli is as good as done, but Phillip Rivers is still going strong and if he plays 2-3 years, you’re looking at very little starting opportunity for a guy becoming a free agent a year or 2 later.
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    This is a good point about the benefit that a team gets while having a young QB on a rookie deal, which could be a reason for Chargers or Patriots to wait closer to the time of need to replace their current QBs.

    However, there are 2 things that teams like the Chargers and Patriots have to consider.

    #1 – These teams don’t plan on drafting in the top 10 picks anytime soon while Brady and Rivers are playing. Getting a QB with Rosen’s ability in a trade is more likely than a QB falling in the draft to late 1st round. Also, these teams may prefer to have time to develop a QB like Rosen so he is more prepared to take over the starting job, rather than waiting for a rookie to develop.

    #2 – The current CBA will expire in 2 years. We obviously don’t know if major changes will be made for the rookie salary scale, but I wouldn’t be shocked if the NFLPA negotiates for changes that reduce the length of rookie deals, increase pay on rookie deals, and/or change rules for the franchise tag.

    In other words….
    The QBs drafted in 2021 may not be as cheap as the players drafted under the current CBA.

    Rosen will still be under team control for 2021 season.

  47. If they’re not getting the first round pick they want then they don’t have the leverage they think they do. Hold on to him until somebody has to have him. He’s on a rookie contract so ride it out a bit.

  48. jonathankrobinson424 says:”

    It waould be just like the Cardinals to give up on the next Tom Brady.Josh Rosen”

    If any team thought that Rosen was the next Tom Brady, they would be lining up to trade for him. It sure as heck would be for far more than a second round pick.

    Personally, I think he is the next Ryan Leaf. I think he comes as incredibly immature, and I would think that would scare any team.

    This draft isn’t deep at the QB position, and still the best the Cardinals are being offered is a second round pick?

    If the Cardinals are smart, they will wait until draft day to trade Rosen. There are plenty of owners that have inherited their daddy’s team. I am sure one of those teams will panic and do something incredibly stupid in a trade for Rosen.

  49. Brady will play for another 2 years so he won’t see action for some time. Unless Belichick thinks Krafty is going to keep a low profile and not interfere when he sends Brady and a second rounder to Arizona for Rosen and a player.

  50. Ray says:
    March 28, 2019 at 3:20 pm
    Never seen a team give up on a top 10 pick so quickly.
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    I wouldn’t say they are “giving up on him”.

    Teams release players (or get minimal trade comp) for players they give up on.
    They are looking for a 1st round pick.
    This is closer to “passing” on 1 player in favor for another in the draft.

  51. hawkkiller, “might of” is not the same as “might have.” Perhaps you should starting using might have, could have, and would have instead of using the word “of” to replace “have” or “‘ve”?

  52. I don’t see any of these QB’s as being a better solution in the NFL. IMO it would be idiotic for AZ to do it. So hopefully they do

  53. Josh Rosen is Sam Bradford 2.0 He will show flashes that get attention but his team will always end up disappointed. Zero interest in turning my team over to that guy.

  54. chickensalad43 says:
    March 28, 2019 at 10:47 am
    The price must be set at a first round pick, minimum. Anyone writing off a potential franchise QB after a rough rookie year on an awful team are idiots. There are countless franchise QBs who stunk it up their rookie year (Peyton Manning, Jared Goff, etc).

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    both qbs you mention not only stunk up their first year, but also in the postseason throughout their careers. goff played well vs NO but the patriots made him look terrible. like he isnt even nfl quality qb terrible. they also did the same to manning on numerous occasions.

  55. with Brady getting older and honestly missing a lot of throws last year why not take a chance on a rookie contract? When’s the last time a veteran QB won a SB other than Brady, You need a low cost QB to build a SB team around. Rosen comes from a Money rich family, does he want a ring or two? Or more money? Go pats!

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