Sean Payton: Trend of young, offensive head coaching hires could lead to mistakes

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New Orleans Saints head coach Sean Payton thinks NFL teams are making a mistake if they’re only focusing on hiring the next trendy offensive mind as head coach.

In an interview with the NFL Network, Payton said he concerned about several aspects of the recent head coach hiring processes around the NFL. Despite being one of the best offensive coaches in the NFL himself, Payton feels like the seeming determination of some to find the next offensive savant ready to become a head coach could lead to many mistakes in who teams hire to run their teams.

The thing that can be disappointing though is when you talk to someone and they give you the profile (of the coach) and then I’ll say ‘well you’re not interested in a young Bill Belichick or a young Tony Dungy?'” Payton said.

“They get so pigeonholed into – cause this is cyclical, right, – and ultimately you would say if we did a little history, successful head coaches probably come from the east and the west and north and south. They probably come of both color and they probably come on defense and on offense. And they’re good leaders, they’re great leaders. And so if you say well I just want the one that coaches quarterbacks and they’re on offense, well then you’re going to end up with a smaller pool and you’ll probably have less of a chance to be right because already of eight hired there’s going to be three that survive three years.”

There were eight head coaches hired this offseason by NFL teams. Six of those coaches come from offensive backgrounds while only two, Vic Fangio and Brian Flores, have defensive roots. The running joke of the hiring cycle of “if you ever met Sean McVay, you too could be an NFL head coach” was based in a degree of reality. The Arizona Cardinals initially referred to Kliff Kingsbury as a friend of the Los Angeles Rams head coach in their article announcing the hire. Matt LaFleur and Zac Taylor have direct ties to McVay and were hired by the Green Bay Packers and Cincinnati Bengals, respectively. Rams assistant Shane Waldron was also a candidate for the Bengals job.

But Payton believes the search for the next Sean McVay may lead to some large mistakes among coaching hires.

“There are a handful of coaches that I know that if I was a G.M. who I would be interested in hiring,” Payton said. “I think more and more it’s season-by-season and ‘I want Alvin Kamara.’ Well, you can’t have him. You can go draft 10 more running backs and be 0 for 10 trying to find him or (Sean) McVay.

“And so I see a lot of mistakes made in that process I feel like this long in and so we’re excited to play those teams.”

While Payton is absolutely correct to assert that top defensive coaches should not be overlooked as head coaching candidates, there have been a number of successful hires in recent years coming from the hot offensive coach. Doug Pederson (Philadelphia) and Matt Nagy (Chicago) parlayed success with the Chiefs into winning head coaching jobs. Frank Reich (Indianapolis) helped get the Colts back to the playoffs after winning a Super Bowl on Pederson’s staff. Kyle Shanahan (San Francisco) could easily make a leap in his third year if Jimmy Garoppolo can stay healthy. Plus, the hiring of McVay by the Rams was also a roaring success. But teams should absolutely be just as open to the next Belichick or Dungy as they are to the next McVay. If they’re only looking for McVay, they won’t find Belichick or Dungy.

38 responses to “Sean Payton: Trend of young, offensive head coaching hires could lead to mistakes

  1. Sean Payton, creative NFL offensive mind, terrible personnel de facto GM. Use to believe Drew was the beneficiary of Payton’s system, now know Brees earns every penny of his salary as someone who’s overachieved with less physical talent than contemporaries and earned his first ballot HOF ticket. By the way, can you name one successful Head Coach from his coaching tree since 2006?

  2. Sean Payton was himself a young offensive-minded coach when he became head coach of the Saints.

    While I don’t disagree with what he’s saying, it’s weird coming from him.

  3. Not sure why Peyton is still employed, ten years and a year long suspension later. Whole lot of mediocre seasons since.

  4. But the top “young offensive coach that knows Sean McVay” line goes to Wade Phillips who used that exact line to describe his son, Wes Phillips.

  5. Having the ‘hot young offensive minded coach’ doesn’t work if you don’t surround him with players.
    The coaches listed above had success because they had talented rosters….their coaching skills only compliment that.
    Plenty of ‘hot young offensive minded coaches’ have been fired over the years because the roster isn’t good enough.

  6. He is right. Think about it with Kingsbury. Where has he been successful enough to merit an NFL head coaching position. That one is going to blow up in the Cardinals face.

  7. The key to this whole discussion is what was said about Kyle Shanahan. “Shanahan could easily make a leap if Garoppolo stays healthy”. So it’s not about a young coach or an old coach. It’s not about an offensive coach or a defensive coach. 90% of it is about the quality of your QB. Belichick didn’t get fired in Cleveland because he didn’t know how to coach. So Jed York is smart for hiring Kyle Shanahan if Garoppolo stays healthy, but he hired the wrong coach if Jimmy G. gets hurt. As silly as that sounds, it’s reality in today’s NFL.

  8. Frank Reich is 58 and has been coaching around the league for years. It took Josh McDaniels (a much younger offensive guru head coach who has failed miserably with Denver in the past) spurning the Colts in order for Reich to get a chance to be a head coach.

    At the time, many of us said that the McDaniels/Reich situation was a blessing in disguise, and it was!

    Basically what Payton is saying is that defensive gurus should get consideration too, but in reality they are. Just look at all the interest in Kris Richard this off-season. The Cardinals tried giving defensive “guru” Steve Wilks a chance and the playcalling on both sides of the ball was abominable and inexplicable, which is why he got canned.

  9. Huh…….no mention of the outside-the-box mold-breaking uber-successful Zimmer. I guess not too many young coaches are trying to emulate passive aggressive frustration as a coaching mechanism.

  10. Wow, he really called out the Packers for their lack of creativity. When you think about it, why wouldn’t a young, inexperienced coach with nothing more on his resume than having an affiliation with a hot coach be a smashing success?

  11. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    March 29, 2019 at 10:30 am
    Wow, he really called out the Packers for their lack of creativity. When you think about it, why wouldn’t a young, inexperienced coach with nothing more on his resume than having an affiliation with a hot coach be a smashing success?
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    The likelihood for success is quite high. Why?

    Aaron Rodgers.

  12. So Kingsbury will be fires after Pete Carroll? Makes sense, he isn’t naive enough to run Martyball 2.0.

  13. The running joke of the hiring cycle of “if you ever met Sean McVay, you too could be an NFL head coach”

    “And so I see a lot of mistakes made in that process I feel like this long in and so we’re excited to play those teams.”
    ____
    Every team wants to play the Packers not only because they have a garbage roster for the most part but because they also have a head coach with no experience who got his job because he stood next to a head coach Packer management is dreaming about.

  14. cheeseisfattening says:
    March 29, 2019 at 4:19 pm
    Every team wants to play the Packers not only because they have a garbage roster for the most part but because they also have a head coach with no experience who got his job because he stood next to a head coach Packer management is dreaming about.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    ……..and you’re frustrated because it’s quite obvious Zimmer never stood next to him, or met him, or saw him from a distance, or heard of him, or read his name in print. It’s that obvious.

  15. Someone sounds a lil defensive. Young guns havent paid their dues type of thinking. Agree you need the horses. Bad players get good coaches fired. Better have a good QB in place.

  16. cellarperformance says:

    The likelihood for success is quite high. Why?

    Aaron Rodgers.
    ###

    Ummmm…

    Aaron Rodgers got Mike McCarthy fired.

    If LaFleur tries to coach Aaron, he’ll end up getting fired too.

    Rodgers was a good QB at one time. But he’s led the Packers to 12 losses and only 10 wins since 2017.

    He’s constantly injured. Old, slow and injury prone is not a recipe for success.

  17. goatherder……this is the same Viking fan wishful thinking we’ve been hearing for three decades. Do you know what the expected injury rate is for NFL players? 100%. They all get injured. Many return just as effective as ever.

    Don’t kid yourself. No one believes every Viking fan wouldn’t trade Rodgers for Cousins right now, as-is.

  18. cellarperformance

    The Packers would love to trade Rodgers for Cousins, but they can’t afford the cap hit.

    As to Vikings fans wanting Rodgers, as usual, you’re wrong.

    We want a QB with a future, not an old, slow and injury prone has been.

    Besides, we don’t want our head coach fired.

  19. tldr: Rodgers is untradable at this point in his career.

    Sure, years ago every NFL team would have wanted to trade for Rodgers. But now at 35 the aging Rodgers has just produced 6-9-1 season and shows more signs of decline than being able to stay healthy for a season. I can’t think of a single NFL team that would want to trade anything of substance for Rodgers in this late stay of his career. And that’s not taking into consideration that anchor of a contract which guarantees Rodgers a large percentage of Green Bay’s cap space until he is of age of 39. Yikes. Rodgers won’t be playing in the NFL at 39 at this rate and all that money will be dead cap space and Green Bay will be having to pay for 2 starting QBs.

  20. When you consider the infrequent off-chance any team has to actually contend for a SuperBowl berth, longe-range quarterback planning isn’t at-play. Elite quarterbacks allow teams to compete for the Super Bowl every year. They’re really hard to find. Because of rules that protect them in today’s game, they also have a much better chance of playing good football up to age 40 and perhaps beyond. Rodgers is 35.

    I never contended Cousins was anything of substance. I only maintained Vikings fans would take him for Cousins, right now, even up, as-is. Leave subjective monies and terms and years out of it. Starting this upcoming season, if Viking fans could watch Rodgers train with the Vikings starting now, in preparation for Opening Day. …..would they take Rodgers over Cousins for their next best shot at a SuperBowl?

    I say yes.

  21. Plus, if Rodgers’ play deteriorated to a point he retired, the Packers would get a lot of the huge pro-rated bonus money taken off the cap. The league is also going to raise the Salary Cap every year and increase the amount sufficiently and specifically due to high-priced players. The Packers won’t have any more money troubles than anybody else. Normal business.

    You can save your breath on that barren contention.

  22. According to nfl.com Rodgers started 16 games last year and only won 6. Hey has not beat the Vikings since Obama was in the White House. Just facts.

  23. RMoss84HOF says:
    March 30, 2019 at 7:00 pm
    According to nfl.com Rodgers started 16 games last year and only won 6. Hey has not beat the Vikings since Obama was in the White House. Just facts.
    //////////////////////////////////////////

    Nobody but Viking fans care. Enjoy your SuperBowl. Rest assured, the Vikings aren’t taking anything for granted and Packer fans are yawning at you. That’s how concerned we are.

  24. RMoss84HOF says:
    March 30, 2019 at 7:00 pm
    According to nfl.com Rodgers started 16 games last year and only won 6. Hey has not beat the Vikings since Obama was in the White House. Just facts.
    /////////////////

    Just so I understand…….that’s one vote “no?”

  25. cellarperformance says:

    Plus, if Rodgers’ play deteriorated to a point he retired, the Packers would get a lot of the huge pro-rated bonus money taken off the cap.
    ###

    Just what makes you think that Rodgers would retire instead of forcing the Packers to cut him? Rodgers has consistently shown that he cares more about the money than anything else.

    How long before the Packers finally admit their mistake in giving Rodgers his new deal before he proved that he was “as effective as ever” (using your own words)?

    About $90 million paid to Rodgers since his injury – and all the Packers got was 6 wins out of Aaron. That’s about $15 mil per win – and a pair of 3rd place NFC North finishes.

    The Packers have to keep Rodgers this season – It would cost them $78.9 mil in dead cap space to cut him. Next year, that drops to a paltry $54 mil vs. $32.6 mil in cap space to keep him. Even if they cut him, they have to pay him an additional $19.5 mil.

    2021 is when the Packers cut Rodgers – $33.5 mil cap space to keep him and only $23 mil in dead cap space to cut him…

  26. If you aren’t concerned with MN why are you on here posting unprovoked about Zimmer?

  27. gtodriver says:
    March 30, 2019 at 9:06 pm
    Rodgers has consistently shown that he cares more about the money than anything else.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    So untrue.

  28. stellarperformance says:
    March 29, 2019 at 11:30 am

    The likelihood for success is quite high. Why?

    Aaron Rodgers.
    ————-
    Hat to break it to you Gary. Aaron “Ace” Rodgers is broken and your duo is no longer as strong as it once was.

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