Demario Davis, Doug Baldwin push for a ban on corporal punishment in schools

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Here’s something I didn’t know 15 minutes ago: Corporal punishment in schools remains legal in 19 states.

Here’s something else I didn’t know: Kentucky had more than 400 incidents of corporal punishment during the most recent school year, up from the prior school year.

I now know these things thanks to the efforts of Saints linebacker Demario Davis (pictured) and Seahawks receiver Doug Baldwin, who have on behalf of the Players Coalition written a column for TheHill.com calling on the 19 states that still allow corporal punishment in schools to get rid of it.

“For states that allow corporal punishment, a minor offense or mistake can lead to lasting mental, emotional and physical effects for students,” Davis and Baldwin write.

Amen to that. In 1972, as a six-year-old first-grader, I made the mistake of accidentally bumping into the teacher while returning to the classroom from recess. She grabbed me by the upper arm and dug her nails deep into the flesh, leaving an ugly bruise with a red perimeter where the skin had broken. I don’t remember much from 47 years ago, but I definitely remember this.

I’d just assumed that teachers no longer impose corporal punishment on students. Plenty of you probably thought the same thing. If you, like me, are horrified to think that teachers still have license in 19 states to strike children who behave at times like (wait for it) children, let your elected representatives know that this nonsense must end, now.

And let Davis and Baldwin know in the comments that you appreciate their efforts to ensure that all kids growing up in today’s America — who already have more than enough crap to worry about in school and elsewhere — won’t have to also worry about being beaten by their teachers.

66 responses to “Demario Davis, Doug Baldwin push for a ban on corporal punishment in schools

  1. As the last child to have been given the strap in the Nova Scotia public school system, I whole heartedly agree. To this day, I cannot look at a teacher without at least a tinge of rage.

  2. I disagree, I believe that corporal punishment should be legal in all 50 states. I believe that if we had more corporal punishment that more parents would be forced to be more connected to what their kids are doing at school and that would lead to less school shootings. The trend of less corporal punishment in schools has led to more school shootings, I am not claiming that there is a direct correlation but it is an undeniable trend.

  3. Some kids, whose parents dont parent, are such jerks that it may be the only thing that gets through to them.

  4. This is an important social issue and thanks to Doug Baldwin and Demario Davis for alerting the public to it. I was given two swats with a wooden paddle with holes in it for laughing uproariously when the kid sitting in the desk in front of me let out a super loud fart in a 7th grade class back in, OMG, 1960. I got the giggles and had trouble stopping myself, so the teacher grabbed his paddle (which he kept on display on the chalkboard), walked to our row, grabbed me by the arm, took me out in the hallway, told me to grab my ankles, and gave me two hard swats on my very think butt. More than 50 years later, I can still vividly recall the embarrassment and pain of my childish and admittedly poorly controlled reaction to a loud fart. Like Florio, I had no idea any states in our country still allowed physical punishment of children. Though I do think many schools are out of control and that many kids these days get away with far too much in schools, I do not think corporal punishment is any kind of solution for fixing these problems. Indeed, I blame most of the school problems on parents who are not giving their children enough time and attention. Anyway, good job Florio for posting about this and kudos to Baldwin and Davis for their work in this area.

  5. By all means let’s coddle these kids even more [sarcasm] since today’s “parents” refuse to actually parent their offspring.
    Kids from millennials and the latest generation whatever…are absolutely undisciplined, have an entitlement mentality, are soft (from a mental/emotional standpoint) and are allowed to be.
    The purpose of schools are to educate youth so that they become decent adult citizens. When idiot kids disrupt the classroom, and “parents” do NOTHING about it, then I see nothing wrong with using corporal punishment as a means to restore order.
    The people who cry about corporal punishment are the ultra-sensative types who simply can’t admit that they f’ed up. Instead they blame the teacher or the punishment…just like criminals blame the cops for what the criminal did.

  6. My kids are good kids. Not perfect by any means but may god have mercy on the soul who provides corporal punishment to my kids in school. My own brand of justice would come swift and painful for said teacher.

    And explain to me why this is ok but not what Adrian Peterson did

  7. If the only way someone thinks they can get through to a child, or anyone for that matter, is to beat them, then they are not educated well enough (or intelligent enough) to be teachers. Shame on anyone who thinks otherwise.

  8. When my Dad enrolled me in middle school, he took a chokecherry stick about an inch and a half in diameter and three feet long with him. He gave it to the principal and told him, if I misbehaved, to use it and count the strokes. Then, call him and tell him because there were double that amount waiting for me from one he had at home. When the principal told him he wouldn’t possibly use it on me, the Old Man informed him he better not hear about me misbehaving or he would come back and use it on the principal. The principal made me carry it from class to class for a month. I was VERY careful to not get caught misbehaving because I knew my dad was not kidding.
    Some kids, like me, often deserved capital, not corporal, punishment for some of our actions. Others, it is totally inappropriate and counter productive. Myself, I think it taught me self control to have that threat over my head.

  9. Well somebody’s gotta beat them, otherwise they turn out like millennials. Just kidding…can’t believe this is still a thing! Not against spanking a kid, but that’s my job not a teacher’s.

  10. Any parents that have kids eligible for corporal punishment at school should quit complaining and look in the mirror. I don’t believe schools should be doing a parents job. I don’t believe beating a kid for every little thing is right but a few swats on the backside is necessary sometimes. My kids have been spanked 3 or 4 times each when they were little and have never been in trouble at school. Not because they are afraid of getting a spanking but they are afraid of disappointing their old man. Talk to kids like human beings and explain right from wrong. Give them hugs, be there for them and show them you and they’ll get a sense of worth. Kids crave discipline and love, give them both. You can be their friend but be a parent first, you can’t be one or the other exclusively.

  11. In 1972, as a six-year-old first-grader, I made the mistake of accidentally bumping into the teacher while returning to the classroom from recess. She grabbed me by the upper arm and dug her nails deep into the flesh, leaving an ugly bruise with a red perimeter where the skin had broken. I don’t remember much from 47 years ago, but I definitely remember this.
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    Aww, poor thing. Did you go to counseling and get on Prozac for it? Grabbing your arm too hard isn’t “corporal punishment”. If you got smacked by the principal with the red paddle like I did you would have probably committed suicide. Liberals represent weakness.

  12. Bravo to these men. Stopping abuse is not “coddling” children.
    I can’t count how many times I have watched a parental unit threaten their child with, “If you hit your brother, I’ll smack you good!” Sadly ironic stuff.

  13. I applaud these men for taking a stand against a rule that should have been banished long ago. Corporal punishment has no place in schools. Physical contact from an educator no longer has a place in school. Parents are responsible for disciplining their children. Whether you believe spanking, paddling, (etc.) your child works as a form of punishment is up to the parent. But it should be the decision of the parent and not at the discretion of a school employee.

  14. the thought of anyone laying one finger on my child sends me into a murderous rage.
    Especially a ‘teacher’.

    Might be the most offensive thing I can imagine – a teacher pretending to know what’s best for my kid.

  15. Could we administer corporal punishment retroactively?

    I can think of some spoiled, entitled people in politics and the entertainment industry who clearly weren’t beaten hard enough in school.

  16. I believe that hitting a person, or child, is not the best way to reinforce a consequence. When you are an adult (in 2019 and on) are you going to get hit for doing something wrong? Never, but you will get shamed, lose money, fell guilty, and disappoint your family or friends. I agree that kids today can be brats, have bad parents, and face very few consequences- but the only way to change someone’s behavior is to have a relationship with them, and use that closeness to invoke an intrinsic realization and change. I remember feeling so stupid in 6th grade when one of the P.E. teachers who I respected for being a calm, cool, and somewhat nice guy snapped on me and told me to stop acting like a spazz. Though at the time it was confusing, I thought about it a lot as I got older and the embarrassment made me think and monitor how I acted. However, that is just my opinion and my experience, but I do believe strongly that there is a better way, it is just a lot harder and takes patience.

  17. Nothing wrong with a good crack with a paddle. I got 15 of ’em in 8th grade, and I’m a happy, well-adjusted, law-abiding doctor.

  18. If one of my employees acts up at work and I beat their ass with a stick. What happens to me? I find myself getting my ass kicked or end up in court pretty quick, right? Yet if I’m a schoolteacher it’s ok to do to someone who is too small to defend themselves either physically or legally in 19 states.

  19. I wasnt aware either. Its possible to reprimand physically without abuse, my parents did it all the time. These days the kids have all the power. They have power over the adults and teachers, despite no leverage. It is sad.

  20. Hey I grew up in a generation where I got a spanking (no switches thank you) when I did something stupid. Yet I have never spanked my kids. I seriously do not even know why this is a question in 2019.

  21. Putting a kid in time out teaches them nothing other than a waste of time. A good swift swat to their butts will get their attention. No discipline is the reason we have so many problems with the youth today.

  22. Today’s brats are so filled with self importance that maybe throwing them into juvenile custody would knock them down a peg; in my day, dating back 40 years ago, I was petrified of getting paddled at school; and that was nothing like the fear of mom’s black belt. Funny how that fear translated into being raised into a fine gentleman who respects other people.

  23. Where were all those pro-corporal punishment people when Adrian Peterson was caught whipping his kid’s butt?
    I remember quite well, he was unanimously denounced.
    Some people here are hypocrites.

  24. onebuffalove716 says:
    Not perfect by any means but may god have mercy on the soul who provides corporal punishment to my kids in school. My own brand of justice would come swift and painful for said teacher.
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    Gee, you’re tough.

  25. I spent 2 year of high school in TX where corporal punishment was allowed. Generally, students were given the choice between the “paddle” and the principal’s office, which generally resulted in detention or worse.

    We were from NM, more the SW than the South, and when my mother found out about the corporal punishment she told the school administration that anyone who took a paddle to one of her kids was going to get a baseball bat from her.

    It was glorious.

  26. fanfrommontreal says:
    Where were all those pro-corporal punishment people when Adrian Peterson was caught whipping his kid’s butt? I remember quite well, he was unanimously denounced. Some people here are hypocrites.
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    I think intelligent people understand the difference between spanking a kid and beating him with a stick until is testicles bleed, then stuffing leaves in his mouth. If you don’t then you’re part of the problem.

  27. I also love the assessment that the absence of corporal punishment is what has sent this world downhill. Psst. The people running the world right now are the ones who got hit growing up. So that might not be the best argument for the practice.

  28. Do people really, and I mean really! not the the correlation between how the more we vilify corporal punishment the more and more our prisons are filled, the more today’s kids have no respect, the more they are lazy. Seriously? They don’t see the connection? As far as the article all you can take away is how bad you felt about it. Not the lesson that was learned? Be aware of your surroundings so as to no cause at the worst an injury not to yourself but someone else. What if it had been an elderly teacher and you had knocked her to the concrete? Not likely, but indeed possible.

  29. Hard to believe that in 50 states, teachers are allowed to correct tests. Nothing else. They should qualify for hazardous duty pay in many places. Many kids are pure horror, and in most cases, I blame the parent. A teacher works with hundreds of children and is required to keep their skills fresh. But yeah, a 23 year old with their first kid being 6 is a much better person to guide a child. What’s clearly evident is that not many commenting here ever worked with kids, or their parents.

  30. Yeah don`t let kids grow up knowing there are consequences to bad actions or who knows what they will become. Just give them a good talking to and a pat on the back and i`m sure they wouldn`t dare do it again. I only needed to spank my kid 2 times but i firmly believe if not for those 2 times he would`ve needed many more.

  31. I disagree, I believe that corporal punishment should be legal in all 50 states. I believe that if we had more corporal punishment that more parents would be forced to be more connected to what their kids are doing at school and that would lead to less school shootings. The trend of less corporal punishment in schools has led to more school shootings, I am not claiming that there is a direct correlation but it is an undeniable trend.

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    Teachers today are barely trained enough and have enough resources to do their jobs properly, let alone training on how and when corporal punishment should be used. and yes, if you think they don’t need that training, you need to think again. Teachers should teach, and parents should parent.

  32. Lets beat em into submission until they get the point. Man, some of you guys are dinosaurs. Lets hope your not raising your grand kids by beatings because you got whooped when you were young, and you turned out ok. Well, guess what, you didnt.

  33. A very effective way of guaranteeing your failure in life is to walk around acting “tough” and calling people weak who allow themselves to be vulnerable. NOBODY likes that guy. It’s tiresome as hell to listen to their fake macho crap, and literally everyone around them rolls their eyes and thinks they’re compensating for something (insecurity, fear, unintelligence, small anatomy, etc).

    True strength is displayed when a person can allow themselves to be vulnerable. To listen and observe instead of being the bombastic blowhard that comes across like a grown version of the schoolyard bully. These pathetically weak “bullies” constantly telling others about their strength and toughness feel they are projecting strength when in fact they are doing the opposite. Every grown man, who has faced true hardship and overcome it successfully by asking for help sees such behavior as that of a child, a person too ruled by their own fears and ego to be able to admit their own limitations and fears, thereby doomed to a pathetic existence forever defined by personal limitation. It is pathetic. Ignorant, narcissistic, and immature.

    And yet every time the topic of physical punishment comes up, these pathetic children pretending to be adults pipe up, talking about how they were beaten as children and how it helped them.

    No it didn’t help you. It emotionally stunted you, and we can all see that. Your dependence on acting like a bully, insulting others and calling them weak, just proves it even more. Your parents did you an awful disservice by turning you into the “grown-up” version of the schoolyard bully, who everyone hates and mocks, and who nobody takes seriously. Your view of life is like that of a young child’s because your lack of emotional development made that reality, you are literally a child in the emotional sense. You can’t see this because you have never experienced what emotional health and development is like, since your parents robbed you of the most important tools to make that happen – admitting ones limitations, being vulnerable, asking for help, learning from others, etc.

    It is quite predictable and very sad.

  34. Here is what’s crazy…a grown up cannot explain something properly to a seven year old. The seven year old doesn’t understand what the grown up is explaining and makes a mistake and so the grown up thinks that is justification for corporal punishment. Adults don’t receive corpral punishment when they are caught speeding or littering and they clearly know better. Plenty of you can’t take being scolded at work but want to administer corporal punishment to kids at school. Smh. I wish I worked with some of you who are for corporal punishment.

  35. All I’ll say is Catholic school in the late 40’sthrough the late 50’s and then the island in 62’ makes me laugh at being “paddled”. Get real.

  36. Some of the opinions on this matter baffle me. In my opinion corporal when administered by a parent that loves their child can be a constructive punishment if done correctly, but allowing a stranger to physically discipline your child is foolish. I’d gladly listen to the opinions of those that believe corporal punishment to be horrible….. but I’d never be for someone else disciplining my child in that manner.

  37. vottorific says:
    April 13, 2019 at 3:03 pm
    Lets beat em into submission until they get the point. Man, some of you guys are dinosaurs. Lets hope your not raising your grand kids by beatings because you got whooped when you were young, and you turned out ok. Well, guess what, you didnt.
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    I don’t think I’ve read one post about “beating them into submission” so check the drama. A few smacks on the butt doesn’t hurt anyone but it does get their attention. “Time Outs” are a waste on everyone’s time and moronic. When I’m a grandfather I’m not going to tell my kids how to raise theirs because if I raised them right I won’t have to and it’s not my job anyway. My job will be to spoil my grandkids and teach them how to goof off without their parents catching them.

  38. You have to be suffering from an extreme amount of idiocy to believe corporal punishment was ever a good thing. You do realize that this isn’t 1950 anymore where the teacher paddling your child also goes to your church, eats at the neighborhood social, and is a friend right? You are allowing STRANGERS who could honestly give a dang less about your children to discipline them. Given that favoritism exists in all walks of life, do you really want a stranger to discipline your child? People complain about lazy parenting and corporal punishment being a solution but honestly it is the ultimate form of lazy parenting. No amount of research has ever concluded that it is even effective at doing anything to better a child. So let us review. If you are for corporal punishment then you are absolutely fine with a stranger whopping your child a few times with a paddle for possible doing nothing at all, or something that you yourself wouldn’t physically discipline your child over. Yep. Sounds like you’re winning parent of the year right there.

  39. NewYorkLion says:
    April 13, 2019 at 2:19 pm
    400 whole incidents in 19 states……it’s an epidemic. Those 400 kids most likely benefited from it.
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    That 400 was just in Kentucky.

  40. I got spanked in school and at home growing up and you know what? I deserved every one. It was always the last resort when talking and reasoning and screaming failed. This Dear Abby “no child ever deserves to be spanked ” is utter BS and continues the wussification of America.

  41. Thats what is wrong with society today… no discipline. Therefore no respect for authority, personal property, and everyone is entitled…… smh

  42. “For states that allow corporal punishment, a minor offense or mistake can lead to lasting mental, emotional and physical effects for students,” Davis and Baldwin write.
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    Has the last 30+yrs shown these people nothing? Kids don’t listen to their parents, teachers or anyone else, WHY? Because there are no consequences, when kids used to get their ass beat there was a fear factor that keep kids straight, they took that away and the kids don’t listen to anyone, if anything we need to reinstate corporal punishment, not do away with it!

  43. should have known better. reading the comments about a subject like this makes me realize how many people want to go back to the wonderful “enlightened” days of the 50`s. their day is past and their angry.

  44. julius anonymous says:
    April 13, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    “True strength is displayed when a person can allow themselves to be vulnerable. To listen and observe instead of being the bombastic blowhard that comes across like a grown version of the schoolyard bully.” Schools have rules. Societies have laws.
    When you do not follow a lawful command from LEO, disobey a foreign country’s laws, and abuse their costumes, they will use a lot more than “corporal punishment” Grade school is the society’s primary teacher to children on how to deal with those who are family and if they cannot follow these simple rules at a young age then prison(and worse) will be in their short and painful life. Any parent who coddles their child to believe the world revolves around their desires will be in a rude awakening. The prisons and cemeteries are full with such “free spirits”

  45. Ever heard of Intermittent explosive disorder? When a kid acts up and throws a fit, disrupts class, etc. they get a hug and a diagnosis. The amazing thing is when teachers had paddles nobody had this disorder.

  46. I’m 64 years old, I still remember being hit by my third grade teacher for lying to her. She did not hit me hard but it certainly left an impression. It taught me that lying is wrong and that there are consequences when you lie. As I said, she did not hit me hard, but it was done in front of the class. I knew then that I never wanted to go through that type of punishment again. I believe it made me a better person. There is quite a difference between child abuse and corporal punishment properly carried out in a school.

  47. I went to catholic school where corporal punishment was used. It was used on me once and it did effect my life. It taught that there are consequences for your actions.

  48. All this talk about personal opinions, how many of you live in these states? Why should your opinion matter to these people? I’d say it’s up to the population of those states to determine how their children are treated in schools. Don’t want your kids punished in school? Don’t live in Kentucky.

  49. Based on research: Corporal punishment doesn’t work.

    American Academy of Pediatrics – Committee on Psychosocial Aspects of Child and Family Health (1998). Guidance for Effective Discipline. Pediatrics 101: 723-728.
    Bitensky, SH (2006). Corporal Punishment of Children: A Human Rights Violation. Ardsley NY: Transnational Publishers Inc.
    Gedo, J (2005). Psychoanalysis as Biological Science: A Comprehensive Theory. Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins Press.
    Gershoff, ET (2008). Report on Physical Punishment in the United States: What Research Tells Us About Its Effects on Children. Columbus OH: Center for Effective Discipline.
    Vivona, JM (2013). Is there a nonverbal period of development? Journal of the American Psychoanalytic Association 60: 231-265.

  50. In 1972, the teacher grabbed me by the upper arm and dug her nails deep into the flesh, leaving an ugly bruise with a red perimeter where the skin had broken. I don’t remember much from 47 years ago, but I definitely remember this.

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    This is obviously a direct take from your “Serious Injury List.” Did you originally log this as: “Number 18 in 1972: Squeezed and pulled and hurt my arm in 1972.”

    I think you may be okay as long as you’re an excellent driver on the driveway.

  51. Society of wussies… can’t punish kids, 19th place trophies. My dad used to use the belt on us and it worked. It kept me from doing dumb stuff believe me.

  52. Bring it back on all 50 states asap. & if it doesn’t work, have a parent teacher conference & use it on their parents as well.

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