Report: Clowney, Texans not close

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The No. 1 player in our Free Agent Top 100, Cowboys defensive end DeMarcus Lawrence, have already reached an agreement on a five-year, $105 million contract. But that apparently hasn’t helped set the parameters for a contract for our No. 2 free agent, Jadeveon Clowney.

Clowney and the Texans are not close and aren’t expected to have a deal done any time soon, according to Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle. As a result, Clowney won’t be involved when the team starts its offseason program.

Although getting Lawrence’s deal done had the potential to help Clowney’s get done because it could the market for pass rushers, it also has the potential to do the opposite: If Clowney and his agent think he’s worth more than Lawrence, and the Texans think he’s worth less, the Lawrence deal could entrench both sides.

Texans coach Bill O’Brien said last month that negotiations will be “interesting.” That could be a nice way of saying that negotiations will be contentious. If the two sides can’t work out a long-term deal by July 15, the only option is Clowney playing this season on the $15.967 million franchise tag.

50 responses to “Report: Clowney, Texans not close

  1. Overhyped from the beginning and not worth overpaying.

    Went from straight bust to occasional flash player.

    We’re not talking Donald, Mack or JJ (in his prime) here.

  2. Lawrence’s deal got done cos he needed surgery. Tagged players don’t usually sign til near the end of the deadline

  3. Tag him for 2019, let him walk next year, and watch some other team overpay for him with a $20+ million per year contract. He’s a one-trick pony who can’t stop the run. Not worth paying what he’s going to want.

  4. I don’t understand what’s going on in Clowney’s mind. He’s had ONE decent season and two that’s seen him miss significant time. He’s not worth Lawrence money. The Texans once kicked a better DE (Mario Williams) to the curb over paying him more than he’s worth.

    I wouldn’t be shocked to see them trade Clowney.

  5. As Simms likes to point out, Clowney doesn’t have overwhelming stats but is among the league leaders in unofficial “F-up-the-play” plays

    I think something around the Lawrence deal would be fair for both sides. Clowney can’t overvalue himself and the Texans shouldn’t undervalue him

  6. “arealisticpackerfan says: April 14, 2019 at 7:57 pm Can’t live off that one hit from six years ago forever, I guess.”

    Still crying about it after six years. Wah.

  7. If Clowney and his agent think he’s worth more than Lawrence,…
    then both are deluded.

    I’d trade Clowney for a 3rd. Thats better than the compensatory pick they will get after next year.

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    silvernblackpa says:
    April 14, 2019 at 8:17 pm

    I think something around the Lawrence deal would be fair for both sides.

    fair for both sides? No, it would be in the grossly overpaying and unfair to the team.

  8. He’s appeared in 14, 15, and 16 games the last 3 seasons, which is solid. In those seasons he had 24.5 sacks. He had his best year of his career last year – grading out with career highs in Defensive Rating (88.0 per PFF), Run-defense grade (91.2), and pass-rushing grade (78.8). He also had 9 sacks, but had a lot more pressures. I admit he hasn’t lived up to his billing but if I was him, I’d try to have a good healthy year and hit the open market. He will get some ridiculous contract from some team willing to overpay.

  9. As a Texans fan I don’t want him resigned unless its for 8 mil a yr or less. He is an ok pass rusher but cant play the run and didn’t deserve to be voted to the probowl. we should have traded him last year.

  10. Can’t stop the run, takes plays off, one hit in college, etc. Right.
    Watch the guy actually play football, wydoncha? He may overvalue himself if he wants as much as Mack or Donald – I think so – but he’s at worst top 5 in the league at his position.
    Texans will probably try to trade him as it’s a cinch someone will pay more next year. But it’s going to set the defense back.

  11. Just because Dallas overpaid Lawrence doesn’t mean the Texans have to. If Clowney thinks he’s getting Lawrence money then he’s delusional. Since J.J. Watt is getting double-teamed on every play Clowney should be able to make more plays since he’s likely one-on-one. Sure, he had a great year last year….because he wanted to get paid. Once he signs a big contract watch what happens to his production, especially if he signs with a team other than Texas because he won’t have J.J. Watt to draw double-teams.

  12. As a Texans fan,I hope this isn’t true.Pay the man fairly.Clowney is the most disruptive player in the NFL.If you’re able to get film and watch this man play,he destroys every blocker in front of him,he just pushes them 5 -6 yards into the backfield and causes chaos. With no Clowney,the Houston pass rush is dead. The defense won’t be the same without him. There is not one player the Texans can find out there on the open market,or trade for that’s as good as Clowney.

  13. By the comments, most of you have not watched Clowney over the last 3 years. His value to the Texans defense is greater than casual observation will reveal. He by far is the best DL/Edge on the team. If you want, look at the stats over the last 3 years and compare them to the top 3 or 4 in the NFL, he is right there. Plus this is about market value, these NFL player salaries are going to continue to rise. The minimum floor of his next contract will be $18M a year. He is young and very effective in the role the TEXANS use him.

  14. Overpay this guy already! He’s not a difference maker, but wants top dollar… As a fan of a team in the AFC, please pay him what he wants!

  15. thefiesty1 says:
    April 14, 2019 at 8:42 pm
    They are all overpaid as it is.

    ****************************************************************************

    Yeah, because people buy apparel and show up to games and drive up the value. This is what the market bears and the owners are the ones who benefit most. If you buy into the economic model, live with the inventive structure. Otherwise, fans can express themselves with their wallet.

  16. He only accumulated stats when Watt when on IR and he slid down to de and like Watt
    just rushed from wide 9. Ran around the tackle and ran for the QB and accidentally made some stops behind the line. Then there is all of PFF’s mythical hurries and QB scares he and Watt get credited for. probably paid for by the Texan PR dept…

  17. playa759 says:
    April 14, 2019 at 9:33 pm
    By the comments, most of you have not watched Clowney over the last 3 years. His value to the Texans defense is greater than casual observation will reveal. He by far is the best DL/Edge on the team. If you want, look at the stats over the last 3 years and compare them to the top 3 or 4 in the NFL, he is right there. Plus this is about market value, these NFL player salaries are going to continue to rise. The minimum floor of his next contract will be $18M a year. He is young and very effective in the role the TEXANS use him.

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    Watched/attended every game, saying that he’s the best DL/Edge on the team is a joke considering that their defense has completely fallen apart.

    Tied for 24th in the league in sacks in 2018.
    Tied for 19th in the league in sacks in 2017.
    Tied for 47th in the league in sacks in 2016.

    Not worth $20 million a year.

    Watch, the Texans will put the franchise tag on him, he may or may not hold out, but he won’t be a Texan in 2020.

  18. Why are so many people who comment nothing more than casual fans of football with no real comprehension of the game? He is easily top five at his position and definitely the second best player on the Texans defense. No, he isn’t Mack but he is really good. Texans should really only consider trading him due to injury concerns.

  19. Clowney has never lived up to the hype, except in his own head.
    I wonder what he is going to say when his agent tells him the Texans are no longer interested in his services.

  20. Nice fallback position. Make enough money in a year to retire on. Be hard pressed to think a team (outside of the Company and Lawrence) who would overpay the fellow more than his tender amount annually). Doesn’t have the production to back it.

  21. It doesn’t necessarily have to do with him thinking he’s better than Lawrence or wanting more. Likely what’s happening is Clowney is looking for a deal averaging about 20 million a year but the Texans are probably looking closer to the franchise tag of 16 knowing that if their going to sign him for 20 million or more a year they will wait a year and use another franchise tag.

  22. This league’s salary structures for QB, EDGE, and WR are beyond ridiculous. In addition, each team’s respective free agent thinks he should be the highest paid, regardless of performance. Now, Clowney is turning his nose to almost 15 million / year! His performance over the last 3-4 years is good but not elite. ( not equivalent to a 14-15 million salary). Hope Texans play hardball with this guy!

  23. How can fans of the same team have such varying differences of opinion on 1 guy? Some say he can’t defend the run, others say he’s a top 5 player at his position. I find it mildly amusing that fans of the team can’t agree on whether or not the guy can play.

  24. I can see Clowneys agent wanting more than Lawrence especially since his client didn’t have pending major surgery.

  25. As a Texans fan, I’m fine with the approach of tagging him this year and having him earn his deal. He has definitely shown flashes of greatness for us, but I work about his consistency and ability to stay healthy. Personally if we could get a mid-1st rounder for him, I would be willing to let him walk so we could invest our money elsewhere.

  26. Clowney is good, not great and the Texans know it. They don’t want to get stuck paying franchise QB money to a slightly above average DE. If you need a statistical comparison, look at Von Miller’s stats. Miller is far superior in every stat category. Franchise Clowney in 2019 and if he doesn’t ball out (at least 12 sacks), let him walk.

  27. Clowney suffers from Russell Wilson disease. He massively overvalues his talent and abilities.

  28. tylawspick6 says:
    April 14, 2019 at 8:45 pm
    If Houston was smart, they would run away from
    this guy.

    ——-

    And if he signs in NE you will claim that BB is a genius!

  29. Watt played at a superstar level for years, but the Texans still topped out as a one-and-done sometime-playoff team. Why should they overpay a lesser defensive player now?

    A sometimes-good, mostly-not-great LB is not an essential need for the Texans right now. What they need most is to shore up the OL and provide some offensive weapons for Watson. A good defense is always a must, but overpaying one guy who’s nobody’s idea of the cornerstone of anything isn’t the way.

    Let him play on the tag, draft one of the many excellent defensive players available in the 2nd round, then let Clowney walk after next season.

    It’s the next best choice to what they should have done, which is kept Mathieu and traded Clowney.

  30. Kind of funny seeing everyone talk bad about Clowney. He’s been rated as one of the top run stuffers at his position over the course of the last few years and is a very good pass rusher who hasn’t reached his ceiling in that department. Guys with his skill aren’t just walking around everyday, and if you pay attention to football, you know he’s worth the money.

  31. the texans know that they can probably get equal productivity from a project pass rusher at a much cheaper price. Clowney will be traded.

  32. The issue is that the Texans want to pay him like a linebacker even though he is a pass rusher.

  33. Texans problem is there window is right now for the next year or two, and they need talent at other positions. If they lest Clowney go then Watt is rendered useless along with their D. They have cap space to front load Clowney’s contract this year, because the way the QB market is going Deshaun will cost around $40 to $50 million in 2022.

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