Absent a dismissal, Kraft case may not be resolved for 1-2 years, minimum

AP

On Wednesday, Commissioner Roger Goodell confirmed that no action will be taken against Patriots owner Robert Kraft unless and until the pending criminal charges against him are resolved. So when will those charges be resolved?

The prosecution has been stayed pending appeal of the ruling suppressing the surveillance video from introduction into evidence at trial. In Florida, the appellate system has two steps. As one source with knowledge of the process tells PFT, resolution in the lower level could take at least a year. If/when the case then migrates to the Florida Supreme Court, more time will necessarily pass as briefs are submitted and oral arguments are scheduled and the court considers everything that is submitted and issues a decision in writing.

So it could be two years, maybe more, before the appeals courts in Florida provide a final answer as to whether the surveillance video will or won’t be available for use at trial. A last-ditch effort to take the case to the U.S. Supreme Court would create even more delay.

That said, there’s a chance that the prosecution could quietly dismiss the case, perhaps after some of the media attention dies down. The question then would become whether the surveillance video would be made public; previously, the presiding judge ruled that if/when the case is dismissed, the surveillance video would be fair game.

Kraft’s lawyers have since renewed the argument that the video never should be made public, given the finding that the entire surveillance process violated the applicable legal requirements for utilizing such practices. A ruling on that specific request has not been issued.

Thus, if the charges are dismissed and the surveillance video is permanently blocked from public view, the league will have limited evidence for determining whether a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy occurred. Ultimately, the only available proof may come from an interview of Kraft, since no other witnesses would fall within the jurisdiction of the league’s investigation.

If Kraft denies that solicitation of prostitution occurred, how would the league prove that it did? That could be the key question when it comes to determining whether and to what extent the league disciplines Kraft, whenever it is that the criminal case is resolved. Absent a dismissal, it could be a very long time before the criminal case is resolved.

62 responses to “Absent a dismissal, Kraft case may not be resolved for 1-2 years, minimum

  1. Prosecutors are doubling down just to save their hides. Meanwhile, taxpayers money going out the window at an astonishing rate.

  2. He was there, just embarrassing when you have the money he has.
    It will never go away, he’s an idiot to go to a crappy shopping center’.

  3. Brilliant use of tax payer dollars…
    Sounds like Florida has taken a page from the democrats. Wasting $$$ on frivolous investigations that will yield nothing. Well done idiots.

  4. Our compromised, bought-and-paid-for system of justice in action. Embarrassing it’s so bad.
    Banana Republic’s step aside; here comes the USA!

  5. This is turning into a massive waste of money all around. Once the prosecution admitted that there is no evidence of human trafficking, why bother? SMH.

  6. Why would Flordia prosecutors be tying up appellate courts with misdemeanor nonsense. They already offered to drop the charges (with some conditions). What’s the result of all this going to be? If they win an appeal then they maybe convict on a misdemeanor they already offered to plea down to no charges?

  7. Ego driven idiocy.
    Just pay the parking ticket and allow the news cycle and the rest of us to just move along.
    But this is the Patriot Way, spend and deny, spend and deny, spend and deny.

  8. Why anyone thought the video was legal/admissable is beyond me – not least because cops only got surveilance permission at all (but still SHORT of video!) as they had told the judge there was trafficking. The judge subsequently chastised the cops in court saying that when they installed the cameras they ALREADY knew there was no trafficking. That’s key here as it makes their filming against the law TWICE-OVER in Florida law and was pure fishing.

  9. They’ll drag it out……spend millions of tax payers dollars and NOTHING will happen to him….that’s how the rich are treated far and above the rest of us.

  10. If it is dismissed and the league interviews Kraft, they just need to ask him what he meant by “”I am truly sorry, I know I have hurt and disappointed my family, my close friends, my co-workers, our fans and many others who rightfully hold me to a higher standard.”

    If he didn’t solicit prostitution, what exactly did he apologize for?

  11. It’s already resolved. He paid for sex in a state and county where it’s illegal and it’s on camera as part of a law enforcement investigation. What’s all this court stuff about? Having him pay some fine that he won’t even feel? Not going to jail? Not having anything done to him by the NFL except money (again, won’t feel it) fines? Yawn. Just dismiss it and save the taxpayers money.

  12. Admissibility of the video and the facts shown on the video are two different things. He did it, and he won’t pay in court. Both.

  13. Guy with ridiculous money and connections makes an attempt to hold him accountable for his behavior go away. Yet another example of how life in America works. No one should be surprised by this.

  14. DolFan says:
    NFL had no problem punishing Big Ben with no conviction. Why is Kraft different?
    __________________________

    Not only no conviction, but no charges or evidence. The difference is that Kraft is a Patriot and he’s Goodell’s buddy.

  15. Florio said it the other day…this case is crumbling. Why would the SA want to continue this and cost the tax payer more money?
    I’ve lived here in South Florida for over 30 years, and this is not the first time Law Enforcement has pulled this and other tricks to ensnare people in their little spider webs!

  16. SO law enforcement spent millions on the investigation, is spending millions to get their illegal evidence reinstated, and is going to spend even more paying for the civil judgments.

    Even IF the state somehow managed to get a guilty verdict, ITS A MISDEMEANOR, the punishment would be a small fine and no time served. What a waste of millions of tax payer dollars. For that kind of money, they could build a new school, or lower property tax rates.

  17. When it comes to Kaepernick:
    “The police need to be held accountable for their actions and their abuses of power and misconduct!!!!”

    The EXACT same people when it comes to Kraft:
    “Who cares if what the cops did was illegal, he’s obviously guilty so the police misconduct is totally cool!!!!”

    Sad times we are living in. 2019 America. Hooray.

  18. The purpose of the appeal is not for this case, but to determine if this type of evidence is admissible (so as to impact future cases). Second, as someone who has been to the 4th DCA a few times, it won’t take a year. Court meets year round so appeals take 5-9 months at best. Then, if prosecutors win, Kraft could try and appeal to Florida Supreme Court but they could reject the appeal, I do not believe that misdemeanor issues have automatic Supreme Court jurisdiction.

  19. As they say that of money talks. As he is worth billions. If it was like an Average Joe or Jane, they would be imprisoned for a year or two.

  20. Crazy . All this effort just ups the price some outlet will pay a person involved in the process to leak the tapes. They are digital. Not. VHF that can be locked away or destroyed. They will never disappear.

  21. A guy with that much money, could buy whatever he wanted.

    Why would he do this?

    Just stupid!

  22. If you didn’t do it why would you come out with an apology for it! If you didn’t do it then you have nothing to be apologizing for..

  23. Oh good grief. Leave the guy alone. Anybody else would have paid their soliciation fine and it would be over by now.

  24. I think the NFL (especially under Goodell and his lawyer, Pash) will do what they did to Brady. They will demand that Kraft turn the video surveillance tapes over to them (so they can be leaked) and when he refuses, they will cite that as “evidence” of misconduct and try to force him to sell the Patriots. However, since the last time Kraft tried to cooperate with the league, they screwed him, Brady and the Patriots organization over, I don’t think he’ll respond nearly as nicely as he did last time.

  25. bullcharger says:
    May 22, 2019 at 5:29 pm
    Why would Flordia prosecutors be tying up appellate courts with misdemeanor nonsense. They already offered to drop the charges (with some conditions). What’s the result of all this going to be? If they win an appeal then they maybe convict on a misdemeanor they already offered to plea down to no charges?

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    What exactly is the record for total money spent trying to push solicitation charges on a first offense john? Everybody here thinking this is Krafts wealth and privilege helping him slide by has it backwards. If this was anyone else they would never have gotten through the arraignment, it would hav been a continuance without finding or an outright dismissal. Krafts fame is buying him extra vigorous prosecution the rest of us would never have gotten.

  26. Two years – for a misdemeanor where the prosecution has already admitted the evidence was illegally obtained.

    I have to suspect there are some butthurt Fins fans in this prosecutors office.

  27. In the end there will be egg on the faces of all behind this sham of a case stop wasting tax dollars!

  28. Not a fan of the Pats or Kraft, but this is asinine. No trafficking, nobody hurt, no big deal, it’s a victimless crime. Who wants to see that video anyway? Dumb waste of money.

  29. jppt1974 says:
    May 22, 2019 at 9:59 pm

    As they say that of money talks. As he is worth billions. If it was like an Average Joe or Jane, they would be imprisoned for a year or two.
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    Sure, because misdemeanors often carry prison terms in FLA. SMH.

  30. jppt1974 says:
    May 22, 2019 at 9:59 pm
    As they say that of money talks. As he is worth billions. If it was like an Average Joe or Jane, they would be imprisoned for a year or two.
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    Nobody goes to jail for a misdemeanor solicitation unless they have all kinds of other charges. Rich people do get away with a lot in this country that poor people can’t but in this case, it seems that the police over reach should bother people more.

  31. jppt1974 says:
    May 22, 2019 at 9:59 pm
    As they say that of money talks. As he is worth billions. If it was like an Average Joe or Jane, they would be imprisoned for a year or two.
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    If it were an Average Joe, the DA would still be claiming trafficking and underaged workers. It was Kraft who exposed those lies. Prosecutors offered to drop the charges against all the others. Kraft is the ONLY one they’re pursuing, so…

  32. jppt1974 says:
    May 22, 2019 at 9:59 pm
    As they say that of money talks. As he is worth billions. If it was like an Average Joe or Jane, they would be imprisoned for a year or two.

    ———————-
    For a first offense john? If this was an average Joe or Jane this would have been continued without a finding right from the get go. Not even an arraignment.

  33. People say they don’t want to see the tape, but everyone wants to see it. Just for laughs and finger pointing if nothing else.

  34. DolFan says:
    “..NFL had no problem punishing Big Ben with no conviction. Why is Kraft different?..”

    And remember, Roethlisberger was never charged, or even arrested.

  35. FoozieGrooler says:
    May 23, 2019 at 10:01 am
    DolFan says:
    “..NFL had no problem punishing Big Ben with no conviction. Why is Kraft different?..”

    And remember, Roethlisberger was never charged, or even arrested.
    ___________________

    And remember, he settled out of court. Does not sound too innocent to me.

  36. “The hypocrisy of the Commish continues… he wouldn’t be waiting to take action if it were a player.”

    Yeah Tyreek Hill got banned immediately for threatening his pregnant fiance and admitting to punching his 3 year old in the chest.

    Oh wait, no he didn’t, nothing has been done to Hill yet.

    You’re right about the hypocrisy though, as far as almost everything Goodell does

  37. Its a very sad day in America when football fans defend a billionaire for pay for sex. Oh wait I forgot about our President. The cops maybe idiots in their handling of this case but the first idiot to me was Kraft for being there in the first place.

  38. Vasteelerfan says:
    May 23, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    Its a very sad day in America when football fans defend a billionaire for pay for sex. Oh wait I forgot about our President. The cops maybe idiots in their handling of this case but the first idiot to me was Kraft for being there in the first place.
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    Nobody isn’t saying Kraft was stupid for doing this, but all signs point to a consensual adult transaction, so who cares? What does it matter if he was a billionaire? It was consensual, unlike a certain NFL QB’s actions in Georgia.

  39. Vasteelerfan says:
    May 23, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    Its a very sad day in America when football fans defend a billionaire for pay for sex. Oh wait I forgot about our President. The cops maybe idiots in their handling of this case but the first idiot to me was Kraft for being there in the first place.

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    It’s a sad pay for me when sanctimonious people slam Kraft for paying for CONSENSUAL sex with another adult. Especially when many of those people probably have skeletons in their closets, too.
    This is the 21st century. With sex being the #1 advertising lure and the NFL promoting it big time on the field with their cheerleaders and the networks promoting it in their sports studios with the women they have (who wear clothes more appropriate for a Hollywood movie star), this is absolutely being blown out of proportion.
    Get over it, people. Kraft didn’t hurt anyone and he probably paid the woman a lot of money because he has it to pay.
    Look at sports history and tell me I’m wrong. Off the field dalliances with women who weren’t their wives by pro athletes has been going on forever. It’s no secret that many baseball players had (and still have) women waiting for them when they are on the road. The Dallas Cowboys had a house located near their practice field that they used for parties with women. So get off your high horses everyone and stop being so naive.
    Next time you watch an NFL game, check out the tv camera shots they take of the cheerleaders as they go to commercials. They are strategically placed to take advantage of the skimpy outfits they wear. Anyone who says I’m wrong about that is clueless. m

  40. Next time you watch an NFL game, check out the tv camera shots they take of the cheerleaders as they go to commercials. They are strategically placed to take advantage of the skimpy outfits they wear. Anyone who says I’m wrong about that is clueless. m

    Spoken like a true sexist pig who either hates women or cant find one to put up with his sorry attitude toward them. Paying for sex is a sign of an emotional disconnect …….but if that’s what you feel and as you apply your lipstick remember you are still going to be a sexist pig.

  41. Anyone who says I’m wrong about that is clueless. m

    Spoken like a man stuck in the 50’s. Women are more than objects….at least they are to secure male adults, but you attitude reflects your insecurities. The moral decay you support is not the one most people in this country want for their daughters.

  42. I am not defending prostitution. Or defending Kraft… I know he did it. What inspired me to post is the blatant misunderstanding of the difference between due process and “corruption” or “Kraft bought his way out of this”.

    All Bob Kraft has done is “hire” competent legal representation. It is unfortunate in our society that “competent” defense lawyers cost around $250 to $700/hr (or more) and they will fight to death for their clients, as opposed to court appointed scrubs who are not allowed to “waste” taxpayer dollars on fighting to the death for their clients.

    The Police department violated the restrictions on their warrant and got caught and if Bob Kraft didn’t pony up the funds for a competent defense, they would have gotten away with it.

    He didn’t bribe anyone, the cops didn’t get paid off, he doesn’t personally know the prosecuting attorneys or the presiding justices… No one got bought off…

    just saying

  43. Vasteelerfan says:
    May 23, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    Its a very sad day in America when football fans defend a billionaire for pay for sex. Oh wait I forgot about our President.

    ————————
    Its an even sadder day when people will take a matter like this and blow into into some ridiculous proportion (as opposed to what it would be if this was just some average Joe) just because it relates to some personal sports hate that festers in them. Sadness us listening to people talk with all this moral outrage when really they are simply hoping it could turn into something that helps their team against another one.

  44. Vasteelerfan says:
    May 23, 2019 at 1:20 pm
    Anyone who says I’m wrong about that is clueless. m

    Spoken like a man stuck in the 50’s. Women are more than objects….at least they are to secure male adults, but you attitude reflects your insecurities. The moral decay you support is not the one most people in this country want for their daughters.

    ————

    So what is your take on how Ben “treats” women?

  45. Come on, Kraft could never say he was not having sex with a prostitute, that would make him a liar as well as a dirty old man. ” So what was on the video Krafty just a massage, is that why your fighting so hard to stop it being used. Surely if you were doing what you are saying that video would exonerate you. Yeah Right Mr Krafty.

  46. “So what is your take on how Ben “treats” women?”

    Vasteelers fan! Calling Vasteelers fan! Did you climb up on your soapbox with a ladder? I am sure you are so outraged if one of the 31 other owners was busted for a misdemeanor of this type. The Patriots have crushed your soul by the looks of it.

  47. Gentlemen, these comments are reserved for Shady-adoring, Belicheat-worshiping, Robert “Spa Day” Krafty-lovers only. Patriots’ fans aren’t interested in anything that pops the razor thin bubble they live in year after year. Where do we begin? Spygate, Deflate-gate, not Spagate. It never ends with these delinquents.

  48. chrisdmv says:
    May 23, 2019 at 2:08 pm
    Why not keep him in jail for those 1-2 years until the case is resolved?
    ______________

    For a misdemeanor? Wow this is about the dumbest thing posted on this thread and there are some really stupid posts. Congrats!

  49. TimTebowGodOfFootballKarma says:
    May 23, 2019 at 2:34 pm
    Gentlemen, these comments are reserved for Shady-adoring, Belicheat-worshiping, Robert “Spa Day” Krafty-lovers only. Patriots’ fans aren’t interested in anything that pops the razor thin bubble they live in year after year. Where do we begin? Spygate, Deflate-gate, not Spagate. It never ends with these delinquents.
    __________________

    And for somebody who is so infatuated with the Patriots he/she posts on every single article about the Pats. It never ends in your quest to keep proving how jealous you are of the Pats. Each post you make proves it. I want you at my next party.

  50. It will be resolved after the 30+ people, men and women, who were videotaped but got legitimate massages get their day in court. In addition, the wrong guy being arrested shows how flawed the whole thing was. His case should be interesting.

  51. The more the Jupiter Police fight this Class 2 Misdemeanor…

    The more ammunition they are giving the lawyers who filed a class action lawsuit against them for violating their privacy.

    Just burning money down there…can’t pay their teachers a fair wage (among the bottom 5 in the nation despite the tourism revenue) but they can fight tooth and nail to get 2 AARP eligible people (Kraft is 77, the masseuse 58?) doing adult things a petty fine?

    I think they need an accountant ASAP to figure out whether this is worth it….

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