Donovan McNabb: I’m a Hall of Famer, better numbers than Troy Aikman

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Former Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb has never even been a finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but he believes he should already have a bust in Canton.

I am a Hall of Famer. My numbers speak for themselves,” McNabb told TMZ. “My numbers are better than Troy Aikman.”

McNabb does, in fact, have better numbers than Aikman: McNabb threw for more yards and more touchdowns, with fewer interceptions. But that’s a bit misleading.

For starters, McNabb played in a better passing era than Aikman: In Aikman’s rookie year, 1989, the league average passer rating was 75.6. By McNabb’s rookie year, 1999, the average passer rating had climbed only slightly, to 77.1, but by McNabb’s final year, 2011, the league average passer rating had risen all the way to 84.3. In other words, the significant increase in passing efficiency in the NFL had barely begun over the course of Aikman’s career, but it exploded during McNabb’s career. Although their careers overlapped by two years, for all intents and purposes, Aikman and McNabb played in different eras.

And, of course, the numbers that really matter to Aikman’s and McNabb’s Hall of Fame candidacies are three and zero. Aikman won three Super Bowl rings while McNabb won zero. Right or wrong, Super Bowl rings play an inordinate part in a quarterback’s Hall of Fame candidacy.

So McNabb, while a good player, simply does not have the kind of Hall of Fame candidacy that Aikman had. Which is why Aikman got in on the first ballot, and McNabb has never been close.

237 responses to “Donovan McNabb: I’m a Hall of Famer, better numbers than Troy Aikman

  1. If Aikman didn’t have Emmitt back there carrying 25 times a game his numbers would’ve been a heck of a lot better too. Most accurate passer ever.

  2. Because you want, as a sports collector, to bid on a sample of HALL of FAME-worthy Super Bowl vomit rather than just any old super bowl vomit.

  3. Boomer Esiason has better numbers than Troy Aikman, too, but guess what?
    McNabb has always had a perception of himself and his performance that’s been mostly different than the publicly held viewpoint, hasn’t he?

  4. Now that I’m thinking about it, during McNabb’s era, there was Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Kurt Warner, and I’m probably forgetting another one or two. So if McNabb is, at best, the 5th or 6th best QB of his era, I wouldn’t call him HOF-worthy…Sorry Donovan

  5. I am not a huge Mcnabb fan but only an idiot would discount the talent that Aikman had vs what Mcnabb had. His only season with a legitimate threat was one Aikman could only dream of and that is with him sitting out the fourth quarter of a lot of games. Mcnabb’s problem now is his mouth.

  6. Which one came through in the big moment?
    Which one could handle and thrive under pressure on the big stage?

    It’s not just about the pedestrian stats – yards and completions.

    And another thing: I don’t remember Aikman constantly telling the world how great he was.

  7. Just to play devils advocate, if McNabb played with Irvin, he would have had waaay better numbers than he did. The 1 year he played with TO, everything skyrocketed for his offense.

    But…I hope non Eagles fans understand why McNabb is taken with a grain of salt. We all appreciate what he did for our team for a decade, but his passive aggressive nature, and “Ill take the blame, but…” attitude don’t endear him to anyone.

  8. In other words, the significant increase in passing efficiency in the NFL had barely begun over the course of Aikman’s career, but it exploded during McNabb’s career. Although their careers overlapped by two years, for all intents and purposes, Aikman and McNabb played in different eras.

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    Well put down. Expect to see this push back whenever there are “my stats are better” claims from players who played in different eras. Just using the eye test, Aikman is a far better pure passer than McNabb ever thought of being. McNabb had some Jay Schroeder in his game with all those ground balls he threw.

  9. Cowboys win again. I actually feel bad for Donovan though, he isn’t HOF worthy but had a good career and is a great guy . Too bad for him he played in a garbage city that detested him. Philthy is the worst.

  10. Troy Aikman won three Super Bowls in four years. The last and only time Donovan McNabb appeared in a Super Bowl, he was puking on the field and losing. So spare me the passing statistics. The only thing that matters is winning. And McNabb never won anything, which is why he is not in the Hall of Fame.

  11. Super Bowl Championships: Aikman – 3, McNabb – 0

    Super Bowl Vomiting: McNabb – 1, Aikman – 0

    It’s time for McNabb to shut his trap… and I’m an Eagles fan.

  12. This might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard Donovan say. He should know that he’s gonna get blasted by 80% of us that know anything about football.

  13. siafuremains says:

    May 24, 2019 at 9:02 am

    If Aikman didn’t have Emmitt back there carrying 25 times a game his numbers would’ve been a heck of a lot better too. Most accurate passer ever.
    ———
    Would they have been better? If Smith isn’t back there then there’s less of a threat to run so defenses would play the pass more and the play action would be less impactful. Simply put there’s no telling that his numbers would have been better because you can just easily make the case his numbers would have been worse.

  14. Superbowl Victories:

    Troy Aikman – 3
    Donovan McNabb – 0

    Conversation is over before it begins. Next to Fran Tarkenton and Jim Kelly McNabb is the biggest choker in NFL history.

    Hall of Fame? Only if he buys a ticket.

  15. Lots of people have better numbers than Roger Staubach too—who would you rather have on your team??? McNabb could not carry his jockstrap.

  16. If Aikman didn’t have Emmitt back there carrying 25 times a game his numbers would’ve been a heck of a lot better too. Most accurate passer ever.

    ====
    You’re joking right? Is his career completion percentage over 60%? There were other players of that era and even harder ones to pass in that are. He wasn’t the most accurate passer, but yes having Emmit and Jay, and Michael made his career, which is why some people argue rings shouldn’t matter.

    While that sounds like a Pro McNabb argument it’s not. He was a hack that wouldn’t have held on with most teams had he not been paired with Reid. Half the time he was think shoe laces were hands.

  17. You can say the same in reverse…put Aikman in Marino’s offense, he’d have great numbers too…

    But all you need is the “eyeball test”…who looked like a better QB when you were watching them, Aikman or McNabb? Not even close, Aikman looked like a prototypical stud QB.

  18. In Aikman’s rookie year, 1989, the league average passer rating was 75.6. By McNabb’s rookie year, 1999, the average passer rating had climbed only slightly, to 77.1, but by McNabb’s final year, 2011, the league average passer rating had risen all the way to 84.3.
    ——
    Bill Polian had a lot to do with that. They had to make Peyton the face of football and they had to change the rules to even have a shot at that goal. The rules changed in 2004 to prevent the Patriots defense from shutting down high powered offenses. The irony is, while the “emphasis” bias vs. defenses help slant the game towards passing offenses, the Patriots had Tom Brady. Whoops.

  19. McNabb might have one other number over Aikman, sounds like he had more concussions because he sounds delusional. Aikman was a better leader and yes, Super Bowls do count.

  20. Right or wrong, Troy had a stud back and receivers. 5 had Westbrook and Owens for one season. With that said, championships add to the resume and 5 is not a HOF’er. Just go away 5, you played well until you were traded. You never carried a team to a SB win. You are no Marino who threw for over 61k yards, you 37k… there is the difference with no SB. Wentz will if healthy will break all your franchise marks… heck, he even has a ring as a spectator!

  21. If McNabb gets in the Hall of Fame, you’re gonna have dozens of other QBs saying they should get in if McNabb is.

  22. True Hall of Fame players are obvious and little persuasion is required to convince the public of their worthiness. If you have to lobby for entrance, you don’t belong.

  23. He seems like a good guy. I always felt he got a raw deal from fans during his playing days. He never had much of a supporting cast.
    But as far as being one of the greats…
    He only topped 30 TD’s once (31 2004.)
    and never passed for 4000 yards in a season.(best 3916 2008)
    Even if you add his rushing yards and TD’s to his passing stats, he’s still not in the elite class in my amateur opinion.

    He is probably one of the great Eagles of all time, but I think he falls short of one of the greatest NFL players of all time.

  24. ricko1112 says:
    May 24, 2019 at 9:03 am
    You might have better numbers, but Aikman was a winner and never panicked (and puked) in the biggest moment of his career…
    *************************************************
    Bingo!

    Aikman was a true leader of men and always came through in big games, the complete opposite of McNabb.

    This is a classic example of why you can’t just look at numbers.

  25. McNabb is the Most OVER RATED Player in Eagles history! He never won a thing, His stats are based on Andy Reid and the Eagles throwing the ball 77% of the time during his tenure. He choked in 4 NFC Championship games where the Eagles were Favored to win. He choked in the Super Bowl and Puked on the field due to being out of shape. In NO UNIVERSE is DONOVAN MCNABB a Hall Of Famer. PS… I AM AN EAGLES FAN, SEASON TICKET HOLDER SINCE 85

  26. Since when do statistics get you into the hall? Terrell Davis is 55th (and falling) in career yards. Only 19 of the 54 running backs ahead of TD’s stats are in the hall.

  27. It’s easy to point to the 3-0 advantage in Super Bowls, or the playoff completion percentage and say Aikman is better…because he is. “Leadership” is a little tougher to measure. One things great leaders don’t do is put others down to elevate themselves. I’ve never heard Aikman utter one word about himself or his stats except to say the only thing he cared about was winning. To this day, all of Troy’s teammates rave about the type of leader and man he was. Likewise, to this day, McNabb is remembered for not being able to lead the Team through the TO situation. There were always little riffs on his Teams..offense v defense, TO v McNabb. Dude was a really nice QB. He had a really nice career. Nothing to be ashamed of, but in no way is he a HOF’er. Now please, stop talking.

  28. Let’s do the math.

    Aikman super bowl rings 3.
    McNab super bowl rings 0.

    For a qb, what is the next nearest number of significance.

  29. You’re a poor leader, and a loser. Not HOF material, you’re a regular “retired player” punchline. Marginally over-average, thanks to Andy Reid. Quit flappin’ ’em.

  30. Here’s a telling enough truth. EAGLES fans, who notoriously hate the Cowboys, would have Troy’s back over Donovan’s back in this argument.

    Source: Am Eagles fan. Knows Eagles fans.

  31. Eagles fan here.
    He needed to get in more than one and preferably win one Super Bowl to merit serious consideration for the Hall. He was good, not great, as a quarterback, and rarely had NFL-level skill position players around him.

    His post-playing career has been bad, unfortunately.

  32. Whenever these debates come up about comparing current era players to others in a previous era, the biggest mistake is to compare their counting numbers. That’s pointless due to what’s mentioned in this article: the game changes over time. What people should do is compare average or percentage numbers (completion %, TD%, INT% passer rating, Y/A) as well as looking at how that player performed in the playoffs. In other words did he raise his level of play, stay the same or regress.

    To that end, both Aikman and McNabb have their pros and cons. Aikman was more accurate, and had a slightly higher Y/A. But McNabb had a higher TD%, lower INT% and higher passer rating. What separates them, though, is the playoffs. Aikman raise his averages across the board in the playoffs. McNabb actually regressed in the playoffs with a lower TD%, HIgher INT%, lower Y/A and lower QB rating. So basically he was a worse QB under the spotlights when it mattered most, while Aikman was better in those situations. That plus the results (3 SB rings) is why Aikman is a HOFer and McNabb might never be.

  33. McNabb’s era was a great time to be an Eagles fan. The elite players on those teams were Dawkins, Wesbrook and TO(hated McNabb). They had great players at he offensive tackles, corners and quarterback.

    Aikman said it best announcing an Eagles game after one of Donovan’s weird moonwalks, or air guitar solos or pretending to use the opposing teams sideline phones, “I just don’t know what goes throw his mind sometimes”.

  34. I don’t buy into the Super Bowl ring thing. Jim McMahon has as many rings as Peyton Manning. And like Peyton’s little brother Eli both were courtesy of the Patriots Super Bowl XX, Super Bowl XXXI.

  35. Ken Anderson played in the 70’s and has almost the same number of yards as Aikman and 32 more touchdown passes as Aikman, was an NFL MVP, led the league in passing yards twice, and passer rating 4 times. He better get in the HOF before McNabb.

  36. In his single biggest chance to substantiate his claim, he had one drive-ending sack on 3rd-and-3 to start the game;

    an interception to end another on 1st-and-10 at the NE 19, and that after having just thrown an INT the play earlier which was overturned due to an illegal-contact penalty on NE setting up that 1-n-10.

    sacked for -16 on a 1st-and-8 setting up a 2nd-and-24 from which his team failed to recover ending another drive;

    sacked on 2nd-and-9 setting up a 3rd-and-15 which he failed to convert;

    throwing another INT on 1st-and-10 at the NE 36 thereby ending another drive;

    He finished the game with 3 INTs, 4 sacks, and a well-below-averaged 75.4 rating.

    Just sayin’.

  37. Using that logic, Matthew Stafford will be a first-ballot hall of famer….fastest to 30,000, most 4th qtr comebacks than any other in last ten years, third highest yards by age 30, one of only 5 qbs to ever throw for 5,000 yards, and several more individual achievements…means nothing at the end of the day

  38. Agree McNabb better than Aikman, disagree McNabb in HOF. Shall we put Dilfer in since he was a SB winning QB? Hostettler? Aikman is badly over rated, and a poor choice for McNabb to make his case. Put Aikman on the Lions and he’d be on par with Scott Mitchell. Put Randall Cunningham with Bill Walsh and he’d have surpassed even Manning as the GOAT.

  39. You can say the exact same thing about Irvin. His number are average at best but becuase they won 3 Superbowls he is considered great and in the HOF for that matter. So the rule of thumb here if you really want to be in the HOF you better be really really good or as odd as it sounds when coming to an individual award you have to be on a great team! What a weird concept.

  40. I have had a beer or several over my life time. But I want to switch to whatever Mcnabb is using. He honestly believes his dillusional dream. There are several one and two year rookie quarterbacks i fouls close over mcNabb right now.

  41. It’s no wonder McNabb and T.O. couldn’t coexist. They are both egotistical morons…

  42. I don’t remember Aikman puking on the game winning SB drive? Leadership goes a long way for QB’s and their greatness.

  43. You might have better numbers, but Aikman was a winner and never panicked (and puked) in the biggest moment of his career…

    16

    Another internet tough guy feeling his oats. What have you done comparable to him outside of stuffing multiple bags of Doritos down your neck in one sitting? McNabb need not say anything because his numbers should do the talking and bad mouthing a winner makes him look small like the tough guy poster.

  44. “I’m a Hall of Famer” said by no true Hall of Famer, until he actually became a Hall of Famer. Maybe T.O. can give him his home made HoF jacket, because that is close as he is going to get.

  45. It is winning Super Bowls that count for quarterbacks. Joe Namath did not have very good numbers because of all those injuries he had, but he got in because he won a SB. For a quarterback who has never won a SB to get into the HOF, he has to have very good numbers. Troy Aikman has 3 rings, and that is why he is in even though he was not a great QB.

  46. Donovan has always been misunderstood outside of Philly. He’s not a good guy. He trashed teammates, cried about weapons, finally got a great WR diva and went to war with him the second TO mouthed off.

    He faced some adversity on draft day that had nothing to do with him and he took it way too personally. He engaged in a war against the peasants that bought tickets and supported the team his entire career. He had to get his mommy, daddy, publicist, and even Deion Sanders to aid in the attack on Philly and the fans.

    He has also been involved in 2 crimes (DUI) and 1 harassment scandal since retirement yet the term ‘good guy’ is often used to describe him.

    He was also a choke artist and a regular under-performer. There is a myth of Bad Foles (which is really only a handful of games, a preseason, and a fake week 17 game) while McNabb constantly threw up (pun intended) awful performances. I can’t think of another player who has as many wins with a sub 75 rating on the day. That Eagles team loaded with talent carried him regularly.

    That team likely wins 1 or 2 Super Bowls with someone like Jeff Garcia as the regular QB. Reid, who gladly traded McNabb within the division, even tried to get Aikman to come out of retirement to play for the Eagles while McNabb was on the team.

  47. Aikman shouldn’t be in the HOF. Winning rings is due to team’s success. It was the OL, defense, and Emmitt Smith that won those Superbowls.

  48. Aikman has 3 rings
    McNabb has zero rings and couldn’t handle the pressure of his most career defining game by throwing up and folding.

    I”m by no means a Cowboys fan but McNabb, your not in Aikman’s zip code and your not going into the Hall of Fame.

    Mcnabb is in the Hall of Fame of throwing the most balls to the dirt thou…

  49. Russell Wilson is being paid $35 million, despite being 25th ranked in passing yards in 2018, because he won Seattle’s one and only SB. He may even get into the HOF because of that win, even though he was not even the reason Seattle won. Seattle won because of defensive holding gate.

  50. LT, Reggie White and Bruce Smith were all retired or past their prime when McNabb entered the league. He also NEVER WON A SUPER BOWL. Airman won 3.

  51. Most career worm burners. I still remember a play against Detroit. He stared down the receiver, could not possibly have missed the triple coverage (unless he needed a guide dog), and tried to make the pass anyway: interception, game over.

    He was good when he was young and mobile but not close to HoF worthy.

  52. I hate the Cowboys, hated Troy aikman (don’t mind him as an announcer) but McNabb…no, no you’re not. He was what, 1-4 in NFC championship games? With 3 of those games being home games and the eagles being the favorite. Weren’t they also the favorite in Arizona? Bottom line is he played in 1 Super Bowl, played awfully and lost. I wouldn’t really object if he made it into the HoF but to me, he’s a fringe HoF player but on the outside of that line.

  53. I’m guessing if you polled coaches and GMs from their eras, not a single one would pick McNabb over Aikman. Unless of course they wanted a QB who excelled at drilling the ball into the ground, at the feet of his receivers.

  54. For the most part here in Philly we appreciated what Donovan did for the Eagles…he helped make them consistent winners year after year. But he was never able to show up big when needed the most. I still think the Eagles should have payed TO, especially for what he did in the Super Bowl.

  55. Nothing against McNabb who had a nice career but Aikman is much better to me. The nfc east was better, the passing game was tougher to install, aikman’s offense was more balanced, he had to feed the most prolific rb ever, 3 superbowl wins, 1 superbowl mvp, he was the fondation or the triplet, steady, class, tough guy, and his sideline passes were a thing of beauty…

  56. He was alright, as a giants fan he reminds me a lot of eli manning, but eli actually excelled most of the time when he got to the playoffs. Great defenses, but he got the job done. Can’t say that for McNabb’s. Eli will get in because after all, he beat the Patriots twice in the superbowl. Also eli has never had a TO to throw to, plaxico was alright, but he wasn’t to in his prime. McNabb’s may get in eventually, but probably won’t be his first attempt.

  57. Well Donny, let’s leave it to the Eagle’s fans, and not the sportswriters. If they had a choice of what Eagles QB they would vote for, my guess is it would be a BACK-UP quarterback named Nick Foles, what does that say?

  58. Everyone points to the rings, but is that an accurate way to truly compare QBs? One QB had an amazing coach and was surrounded by hall of fame players while the other had mediocre talent. It seems that a QBs legacy is largely determined by luck of the draw where they were drafted. Fate puts a great coach and a great QB together such as Walsh/ Montana or Belichick/ Brady. Look what happened to Shanahan once he had RG3 instead of Elway. College is even worse when awarding the Heisman to the “best player”, which is usually the QB on a top team. Tebow? LOL

    I’m not saying McNabb is Hall worthy and Aikman isn’t, but that’s something to think about. As another poster pointed out, Aikman was a tremendous respected leader and McNabb most certainly wasn’t.

  59. If McNAbb wants to play the numbers game, how about this:

    QB1 – Yards: 35,133 Pct: 62% Rating: 85.3 TD: 227 int: 160

    QB2 – Yards: 32,942 Pct: 61% Rating: 81.6 TD: 165 int: 141

    QB1: Jay Cutler

    QB2: Troy Aikman

    So by numbers alone, Jay Cutler should be in the Hall of Fame?

  60. Sept 2011, McNabb passes for 39 yds vs Chargers in Week 1 (37 in the first half). Worst game I ever watched and Cleveland wasn’t even involved. Enough said.

  61. I realize how much the game has changed because I’m 47 years old, but I was a little shocked when I looked and saw that Troy Aikman only topped 20 TD’s once. (23 in 1992)

    Career: 165 TD 141 INT’s 58 fumbles.

  62. Oh, McNabb. Why can’t ex-players like this just keep quiet. You weren’t vocal when playing, but now you are? And, NO, you are NOT a HOF’er, McNabb, but your boy T.O. is. How does that feel, bro? The biggest diva in the league is in (and his #’s DO support him being in the HOF), but you are not and most likely will never be in the HOF. One thing you should have learned is opening your mouth only delays any HOF nods. But you don’t have the stats OR the respect to get into the HOF, IMHO. So, there is that…………

    BIG difference between you and Aikman, McNabb. Aikman has 3 rings (as Michael David Smith so poignantly pointed out), he was much more mentally tough, and he also never threw up during the Super Bowl.

    So, let that digest, McNabb, without throwing it all back up……..

  63. Yes McNabb you were a good QB but I don’t think you’ll get into the HOF. Heres’s why: The Eagles won in that time period because of some great RB’s and great defenses…when the Eagles lost games Andy Reid had to cover for YOU because of a frail ego. Also, when everything was going great you acted like a clown…always wanting to be the center of attention. You never came across as a TEAM player and LEADER. And in retirement, you’ve shown you have some personal issues you can’t fix. Move on Donavon with your life ……if you’re worthy we’ll find out in 5 to 10 years. ( a Eagles season ticket holder during your time in Philly)

  64. The passing era argument is weak. He’s not HoF but it’s not because of era.

  65. This hurts to say because I’m an Eagles fan and I despise the Cowboys, but seriously Donovan??? I know people say that Aikman had Emmitt, Irvin, great offensive line, etc. But I’m guessing most people leaving comments on here didn’t actually watch Aikman play in the postseason. It’s more than just numbers. Aikman was dominate in the postseason. His numbers weren’t great because they didn’t need to be. The offense wasn’t designed that way. But when called upon to win games with his arm, he did it on the biggest stage. And for you “numbers” people….both Aikman and McNabb played in 16 postseason games. Aikman had 9 games with a triple-digit QB rating. McNabb had only 3!
    Based on regular season, I’m not entirely sure that Aikman deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. Both were “good” quarterbacks in the NFL. But Aikman was at least great in the postseason and that’s why he’s in the Hall of Fame. Agree or disagree. But there’s no valid argument for McNabb getting in.

  66. Rings aside, look at overall playoff performance and Aikman still outranks McNabb.

    Then again, I’d argue that Troy Aikman is NOT a Hall of Fame QB either.

  67. You may recall that Aikman also went to 4 straight NFCCGs
    Here is what he did in those playoffs.
    10-1 record 21 TDs 8 picks 68.3% completions 106.3 rating
    He faced 8 HoF QBs in those 11 games (Young x3, Favre x3, Bad Kelly x2)
    The others were Cunningham, Peete, and O’Donnell
    *note he did run for 7.5 ypg but that’s because he was doing lots of -1 yard kneeling
    * he fumbled once in those 10 games

    McNabb was also in 4 straight NFCCGs
    Here is what he did in those playoffs
    6-4 record 15 TDs 10 picks 59.4% completions 81.65 rating
    He faced 3 HoF QBs in those 10 games. (Brady, Gunslinger Mode Favre, Kurt Warner)
    He also faced Shaun King x2, Jim Miller, Michael Vick x2, Jake Delhomme, and Brad Johnson
    *Note he did have 31 yards rushing per game and scored 2 TDs
    * He fumbled 9 times in those 10 games.

    McNabb is not even at Nick Foles level
    4-2 record 11 TDs 68.1% completions 98.8 rating
    He faced Brady, Brees x2, Ryan x2, Keenum, and Trubisky (3 or 5 HoF depending on Ryan)
    * 1 TD rushing and The Philly Special TD catch
    *He fumbled twice in those 6 games

  68. cadreamer1969 says:
    May 24, 2019 at 10:24 am
    Aikman shouldn’t be in the HOF. Winning rings is due to team’s success. It was the OL, defense, and Emmitt Smith that won those Superbowls.

    ——–

    since there are always 22 guys on the field for each play virtually every statistic is due to “team success”. But the reality is that individual players make “teams” more or less successful.

  69. I don’t think he is, but he brings up a better point. Neither is Aikman, and I thought that when he played. Never did I think when he was playing that wow, if they didn’t have Troy, no way the Cowboys can win these games. His numbers were pedestrian, and he played with probably the greatest collection of offensive talent assembled top to bottom on a roster in his era. I think his high for TDs was 25 in his career. How is that HOF? It’s a point I used to bring up when people would criticize Teddy Bridgewater in the same Norv Turner offense becuase his numbers were similar at the same time in his career with the same emphasis on the RB in the backfield that made their offense go.

  70. McNabb was a very good QB. He doesn’t get the respect he deserves. Troy Aikman is perhaps the most underrated QB of my lifetime, because people often make the mistake of looking at certain stats. I’m a film guy. Stats can lie. Film doesn’t. McNabb is good, but not even in the same conversation with Aikman. McNabb’s statement should be the poster boy for how stats can be misleading. If you like film, go back and take a look at Aikman vs. Steve Young in those NFC Championship games. Pay close attention to the second half and fourth quarters. Aikman did what Brady does in crunch time. He elevated his play to another level, while Young did the opposite. Young always had great stats, but not in crunch time. Only after Deion Sanders went to S.F. and changed the balance of power, was Young able to get over that hump. Aikman was awesome. These other guys were good, but Aikman was the man.

  71. Tony romo had more touchdowns, better completion percentage and a lot better qb rating. Just saying

  72. both of these qbs were great but over rated at the height of there careers. i don’t think either one deserves to be in the hall of fame, but i do think mcnabb was better. while it’s fair to say mcnabbs numbers are elevated because of the different eras it would also be fair to say Aikman’s super bowl wins are elevated because of the era. the talent was not as balanced through out the league back then. there’s too many qb’s in the hall of fame anyway. both had great careers but neither truly deserves to be elevated to the hall of fame. the cowboys whole offensive line should have been put in the hall before aikmen.

  73. I keep seeing people mentioning Super Bowls and Rings. To me, that really doesn’t matter to me as much. Guys like Marino, Kelly and Fouts are HOFers with ZERO combined rings. Jim Plunkett and Eli have 2 rings each. Are they HOFers? There is no doubt that titles helped players like Aikman, Namath and Bob Grise get into the hall…

    To me McNabb is not a HOFer simply because, at NO point in his career was he considered elite or one of the best at his position, no matter what he may say. And, if you had to choose between Aikman and McNabb to win you a game, who are you choosing?

  74. blackqbwhiterb says:
    May 24, 2019 at 9:09 am
    Now that I’m thinking about it, during McNabb’s era, there was Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, and Kurt Warner, and I’m probably forgetting another one or two. So if McNabb is, at best, the 5th or 6th best QB of his era, I wouldn’t call him HOF-worthy…Sorry Donovan

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    I was with your for a moment but then I thought about it. I still don’t think McNabb should get in but right now today we have Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Eli, Roethisberger, and Wilson as pretty much locks and several others that may get there. Apologies if I missed anyone… and I probably did.

  75. So in other words……A QB is garbage unless he wins the big one?….I disagree with this logic!!! If this logic is true then Jim Kelly Dan Marino Fran Tarkenton Warrwn Moon and even a young Patrick Mahommes are all garbage!!!!

  76. McNabb is in no way a hall of famer, but then again, I don’t think Aikmen is either. If Superbowl wins are the benchmark for a QB to get into the Hall of Fame, then Jim Plunkett (2), Jim McMahon, Mark Rypein, Phil Simms, Brad Johnson, Jeff Hostetler, Doug Williams, Trent Dilfer and Joe Theismann are all to be inducted soon right?

  77. Tony Romo has similar/better stats in less games. Does that mean he should be in line ahead of McNabb? The only real argument for McNabb over Romo is NFC championship games and that completely eviscerates McNabb’s case against Aikman.

  78. I used to be one of the biggest 5 fans back when he played. I appreciated his talent and hated that he killed all those worms (poor things they never saw it coming)..

    I have two things to say to Mr. McNabb:

    1. SHUT UP!
    2. Stop embarrassing Philadelphia!!

  79. McNabb might have trouble getting in if he bought a ticket; his tears would stain the carpets. There is at least a dozen QBs that will get in before he is even considered.

  80. ate This
    cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    May 24, 2019 at 9:54 am

    I don’t buy into the Super Bowl ring thing. Jim McMahon has as many rings as Peyton Manning. And like Peyton’s little brother Eli both were courtesy of the Patriots Super Bowl XX, Super Bowl XXXI.

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    The above-shown comment must have been made by a Bears fan, many of whom regard the ’85 Bears SB title as multiple titles. In reality…

    McMahon – 1 SB Ring
    Peyton Manning – 2 SB Rings*

    BTW, PM also lost two SBs.

  81. Considering Aikman is probably the most over-rated QB in the HOF after Namath, that’s not saying much.

  82. Aikman is a bad comparison because of the Super Bowl wins. Better comparisons would be Dan Marino (gold server), Warren Moon, Jim Kelly, and Steve McNair. The closest stat wise is Kelly, however Kelly won more games including 3 more conference championships. McNabb had 2000 more passing yards, 2400 more rushing yards with 22 more rushing TDs, and 58 fewer ints.

    McNair is on the ballot this year and that’s where things get interesting. McNabb has much better stats than McNair 6000 more yards and 60 more TDs passing; McNair edges McNabb on the ground with 150 more yards and 12 more TDs.

    Both McNair and Kelly had better QB rating and completion percentages. All stats considered McNabb was an equal or better passer to both Kelly and McNair, and was a better dual threat QB than both. Also keep in mind McNabb’s best years were before the rules changes in 2004 not after.

    Stats wise there is no reason that Jim Kelly and Steve McNair would be in the Hall and not McNabb, but what he lacks isn’t stats. McNabb’s problem is that he isn’t loved. He’s one of the best QB’s in Eagles’ history and you’d think he went around kicking everyone’s dog in Philly while they were in the stadium. Philly fans don’t love him, sports media didn’t like him, and he’s stained with TO’s antics.

  83. backuppunter ,

    Yep. Spot on. I never saw Aikman as the straw that stirred that drink, yet none of those offensive linemen, probably one of the top two or three lines in league history right up there with the 70s Raiders and the 80s Washington Hogs, is in the HOF for some reason.

    The person bringing up Steve Young to justify Aikman, I didn’t think he was HOF either. He had like 5 good years, and yes, the Buc years count. How is that HOF?

    Both of them are also lucky that Bill Belichick was busy trying to rebuild Cleveland at that time and that the Giants missed out on hiring him back then. Things would have gone a lot differently in their careers from that aspect too.

  84. Uh, no, Super Bowl rings are not remotely indicative of a player’s HOF validity. Super Bowl wins are a TEAM accomplishment. The Hall of Fame is a reward for a player’s INDIVIDUAL accomplishments. I don’t know why this seems so difficult for some people to figure out. Dan Marino, recall, didn’t win a single ring. Is he not a Hall of Fame player? What about Barry Sanders? Tony Gonzalez? Rings are a nice trophy, but numbers are all that matters when discussing the HOF.

  85. Ah Donovan still whining, I see. I guess throwing incomplete passes to the ocean water wasn’t exciting enough for you.

    You just want a participation trophy. You choked at the moment when the moment demanded greatness. Why don’t you own up to that, we’d respect you.

  86. May 24, 2019 at 11:53 am
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    cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    May 24, 2019 at 9:54 am

    I don’t buy into the Super Bowl ring thing. Jim McMahon has as many rings as Peyton Manning. And like Peyton’s little brother Eli both were courtesy of the Patriots Super Bowl XX, Super Bowl XXXI.

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    The above-shown comment must have been made by a Bears fan, many of whom regard the ’85 Bears SB title as multiple titles. In reality…

    McMahon – 1 SB Ring
    Peyton Manning – 2 SB Rings*

    BTW, PM also lost two SBs.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Your reality is actually fantasy or fiction. McMahon has 2 rings. One as a starter (Bears) and one as a backup to Favre (Packers)

  87. If you want to know how good McNabb was,just ask him.guy has a huge opinion of himself.i remember him vomiting in the biggest moment of his career.my fondest memory of him.that and DeMarcus ware teeing off on him for years

  88. FinFan68 says:
    May 24, 2019 at 12:06 pm
    May 24, 2019 at 11:53 am
    ate This
    cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    May 24, 2019 at 9:54 am

    I don’t buy into the Super Bowl ring thing. Jim McMahon has as many rings as Peyton Manning. And like Peyton’s little brother Eli both were courtesy of the Patriots Super Bowl XX, Super Bowl XXXI.

    ———————————-
    The above-shown comment must have been made by a Bears fan, many of whom regard the ’85 Bears SB title as multiple titles. In reality…

    McMahon – 1 SB Ring
    Peyton Manning – 2 SB Rings*

    BTW, PM also lost two SBs.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Your reality is actually fantasy or fiction. McMahon has 2 rings. One as a starter (Bears) and one as a backup to Favre (Packers)

    =======================
    Well, then we better also include (the likes of) Terry Hanratty and Cliff Stoudt in this discussion. They each have TWO SB rings as the backup to Terry B in 1974-195 and 1978-1979 respectively.

    Hanratty actually (you know) played in the 1974-1975 seasons and even took a couple snaps in the 1975 SB.

    Stoudt is remembered best for being the first NFL player to qualify for an NFL pension without ever taking a snap.

    So…should Terry H and Cliff be in the HOF debate?

  89. Saw them both play.. Both teams had alot of talent, good coaches etc. Donovan didn’t have that “clutch gene” when they needed it. Big game on the line he choked. Other than that he was a good QB, like alot of QBs that were always close.

  90. If you have to constantly tell people, whether they want to hear it or not, that you’re a Hall of Famer or a “stable genius”, then there’s a very good chance you’re not even close to being one.

  91. Funny, a lot if McNabb hate as unusual, but during his great 6-7 year run, he was top 5 QB at that time. Seems people forget this and Aikman is definitely overrated, especially his accuracy, way too many picks! McNabb should be in HOF for the simple fact that Kurt Warner is…he had a good 4 year stretch with a bunch of awful years. Kinda sad McNabb is viewed with such disdain. He’s had an excellent NFL career and it’s team game. Troy had HOFers Emmitt and Irvin…who did McNabb have?

  92. McNabb had a fine career, but it is pathetic for him to be campaigning for the Hall of Fame. Drew Bledsoe had a very similar career, and you don’t see him attempting to draw attention to himself like this.

    As for Aikman, yeah he is in the HOF largely because of the three Super Bowl rings, and he was not as a good a QB as Staubach. That said, Aikman performed well during those SB runs by the Cowboys. His playoff performances rank much higher than those of McNabb, who did not play well in the ’02 and ’03 NFC championship games, nor in the lone Super Bowl he played in.

  93. I’m so sick of Donovan McNabb

    Foles won us a Superbowl

    Wentz will be the best QB this team has ever had and all the Eagles fans know it.

    Frankly I would take Randall Cunningham and Vick over DM!

    But I am starting to realize why all the players hated you, maybe it wasn’t just TO.

  94. “Uh, no, Super Bowl rings are not remotely indicative of a player’s HOF validity.”

    You might make the case that they shouldn’t be. But in actual real-world practice, they are.

  95. Steve Grossman has 4 rings as a player. I’m not saying Donovan’s right – but rings are not an objective indicator of how good a player is.

  96. Hoping there’s a stat for throwing the ball into the ground 10 feet in front of a wide open receiver 10 yards away. If they got that stat Donovan is a shoe in for the Hall!

  97. Donovan belongs in the Hall … of the Very Good.

    His passive/aggressive stats, however, are HOF-worthy.

  98. Fair or not, McNabb will always be remembered as the guy who literally threw up on his own shoes at the biggest moment, the DEFINING moment, of his career. Maybe if he lives long enough the Veterans Committee will vote him in… but then again, not many of those he played with/against have that kind of respect for him either, do they….

  99. I was wondering how this topic surfaced then took note that McNabb was responding to TMZ…Not ESPN or NFL Network.

    I declare that from this point forward McNabb’s Delta Tau Chi name is “Click bait”.

  100. Yes he is that stupid. Aikman beyond accurate and clutch. Two things that McNabb wasnt.

  101. When McNabb retired in 2011, there were 15 quarterbacks ahead of him in total yards passing. He wasn’t even top 10 at time of retirement and he played in the pass happy 2000’s. Now he’s 25th. No he does not rate as an all time great.

    Former Ram, Henry Ellard, however does belong in the HOF. Ellard played in the 1980’s and 1990’s and when he retired in 1998, he was 3rd all time in receiving yards, only behind Jerry Rice and James Lofton. Ellard is 15th all time in receiving yards today. Ellard belongs in the Hall of Fame.

  102. You may believe you belong. Maybe you do belong.
    Let others praise you. Let others pick you.
    If it happens say “Aw shucks, I didn’t think it would happen!!!! I’m overwhelmed and humbled.”.

    Otherwise, say “I had a good career, made some money, got out pretty healthy. I have some great memories. If people think I’m worthy it will happen. If not, so be it”.

    I hate HOF lobbying for any sport.

  103. McNabb still sipping on hooch. As an Eagles fan, I do not consider him HOF worthy myself. Its not just about winning super bowls, its about setting the league on fire – something many others have done better at who are still not in the HOF.

  104. dualprime says:
    May 24, 2019 at 9:49 am
    Donovan would have a better argument if he said he’s more deserving than Jerry Jones, not Troy Aikman.

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    are you talking about the same Jerry Jones that bought a 1-15 team for $150M and turned it into a dynasty that is now valued at $5B? The same Jerry Jones responsible for negotiating the NFL’s television rights with Fox, turning them into the largest and most successful pro sports league on the planet? That Jerry Jones?

  105. Mcnabb never threw for over 4000 yards, only even was in the top 10 of yards out of all qbs twice and only averaged a 59% conversion rate.

    He was not a top 5 qb of his era by any stastical measure.

  106. Sometimes I think people mistake the Hall of FAME for the Hall of Good Players. The HOF should be reserved for those without whom the story of the NFL could not be told. I’m happy for McNabb that he feels he did so well statistically, and maybe he should be part of Philly’s HOF (however they do it), but he didn’t change the NFL, he didn’t break the mold, and he wasn’t super successful.

  107. It is a shame that Donovan McNabb felt the need to share this. He was a quality player for many years, and had a nice career. Suggesting he should be in the Hall of Fame over Troy Aikman because of ‘numbers’ shows a lack of understanding of the history and evolution of the game.

  108. The problem with Donovan McNabb is the same with the Eagles during his time there. They were winners but never champions. McNabb went to one Super Bowl and lost. A very good quarterback but not a Hall of Framer.

  109. McNabb will never be rememebered as a Hall of Fame quarterback. He’ll be more remembered as the quarterback that choked in 4 NFC championship games and puked in the only Super Bowl that he played in.

  110. reizorcblog says:
    May 24, 2019 at 2:48 pm

    nite2al..

    Agreed, but his downfall is his big mouth!! He just needs to shut up!!!
    ____________________________________________

    Thanks, but a big mouth and so called puking shouldn’t get you in or out. All the SB cameras and this is nowhere on video? Regardless…
    So much is about timing and where you land…I watched Rodney Peete easily outplay Aikman in college and one went to Detroit and the other made history…I go by the eye test and Aikman and McNabb are pretty much even overall.

  111. Fouts and a few others with no SB ring in the hall. Plunkett has 2 rings and not in. Cliff Branch has 3 rings, 1 more than Biletnikoff with better stats…HOF sucks!
    Drew Pearson all decade WR for 70s…where’s the love?

  112. Mcnabb is just trying to toot his own horn because no one else is taking his HOF candidacy seriously. Not a HOF player, sorry.

  113. 176 comments and counting. If Donovan’s goal was to get people talking, well done.

    If his goal was to engender support for his HOF induction, it would appear to be an epic failure.

  114. Good player, had a good career. Not an insult to not be a HoF caliber player, a lot of good players aren’t. Canton should be for the greatest players of their era.

  115. ktoast says:
    May 24, 2019 at 3:02 pm
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    are you talking about the same Jerry Jones that bought a 1-15 team for $150M and turned it into a dynasty that is now valued at $5B? The same Jerry Jones responsible for negotiating the NFL’s television rights with Fox, turning them into the largest and most successful pro sports league on the planet? That Jerry Jones?

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    Calm down. I said “better argument” not that Jerry doesn’t belong.

  116. The delegate from Philadelphia would like to point out and correct that McNabb puked way more than once and we are open to trading him for pretty much anybody. In fact, we’ll still take Ricky Williams.

  117. McMahon has a SB win with GB as a benchwarmer.

    They opened the flood gates by letting Warner in. McNabb has an argument now.

    And how is Aikman accurate with all the picks?
    Flacco gets in then, he is great in playoffs as well.

  118. I often use Troy Aikman in my examples for an NFL HOF QB. Roughly a decade at QB, several Pro Bowl nods, a SB MVP and three SB victories. A heckuva career.

    Tom Brady has two such careers!

    Go Patriots!

  119. Aikman didn’t win 3 Super bowls, his team did.
    I’m not a McNabb fan but there is way to much emphasis put on Super Bowls when it comes to the HOF.
    The evaluation for HOF candidates needs to get away from Super Bowl appearances and look at the individuals.

  120. So Warner led the league in rating twice, in TDs twice, in completion % 3 times, won league MVP and a Super Bowl MVP. He had a 93.7 rating in the regular season and a 102.8 playoff rating. He also took the Arizona Cardinals just short of a Super Bowl win. He was 9-4 in the playoffs.

    Who exactly are you thinking gets through that open door? Warner is the Terrell Davis of QBs and absolutely belongs in the HoF.

  121. I swear, if there was one thing I could change about sports fans it would be for them to abandon the argument that individual players win championships. Troy Aikman didn’t win three Super Bowls – he was a member of a team that did.

    This is not to say that, especially for a quarterback, leading teams to Super Bowl wins doesn’t deserve to be on the resume, but it should be placed in the proper context. Otherwise, you’d have to argue that Trent Dilfer was a better quarterback than, say, Dan Fouts or that Brad Johnson deserves the Hall of Fame more than Dan Marino.

    That said, I don’t think McNabb is quite HoF material.

  122. McNabb was good for sure…..I had him on my best fantasy league year ever….The no SB is where he gets kinda forgotten…..even if he had 1 it would probably take him a few tries before he got into the HOF…..

  123. When I look at Aikman and McNabb, I ask myself which QB I’d rather have in a big game. There is no question I’d rather have Aikman than McNabb in a big game.
    In judging whether a player belongs in the Hall Of Fame, I also put very little importance on whether the player won a championship or not. Dick Butkus is still the greatest LB’er I ever saw, and he never won a championship. He just had the unfortunate problem of playing on bad teams. But there was no linebacker I ever saw who could do what he could do. They talk about Lawrence Taylor, and he was great, but if he was asked to do what Dick Butkus did, he couldn’t do it. Nobody did it better than Butkus did, and keep in mind — I’m a Packers fan and I hated when the players had to play against him.
    Stats are not the best gauge to use when judging football players from different eras, either. The eye test works the best, to me. I’ve seen guys who compiled lots of stats because the era they played in allowed them to do that plus they were fortunate to have played for many years, but they were not Hall Of Fame caliber players, to me. Remember — the Hall Of Fame was created to recognize the very best players of their era, not very good players. There are already too many guys in the Hall Of Fame who shouldn’t be there and more than a few who should but aren’t.
    Take Joe Namath, for instance. Namath’s claim to fame was he was the QB of the first AFL team to win the Super Bowl, yet even in the biggest game he ever played in, he was not the star player for his team. The star player for the Jets that day was their RB Matt Snell. It was a joke that they gave Namath the MVP for that game. Snell should have gotten it. And the other star players for the Jets that day were their defensive players, who completely shut down the Colts offense. And for all those who rate players by their stats, please explain to me how a QB who threw 177 TD’s and 220 interceptions with a completion percentage for his career of just over 50% is in the Hall Of Fame? If McNabb used Namath as his example, he’d definitely have a case.
    No question Namath played on two horrible knees in an era where they couldn’t surgically repair them as they do today, and that hurt him. And he made himself a star with his swagger and personality. But he should not be in the Hall Of Fame.

  124. eaglesfan77511 says:
    May 24, 2019 at 8:59 pm
    as a philly fan this kills me but he didnt have better numbers than TA8 where it mattered….. Lombardi trophies. outdid mcnabb 3-0

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    Super Bowl wins is one of the worst ways to judge a QB. Aikman played behind the best offensive line I ever saw and had great players at TE and WR as well. There are plenty of QB’s who could have won Super Bowls with those Cowboys teams.
    I am not taking anything away from Aikman, and I’d take him over McNabb, too. But let’s be fair here.

  125. nite2al says:
    May 24, 2019 at 7:58 pm
    McMahon has a SB win with GB as a benchwarmer.

    They opened the flood gates by letting Warner in. McNabb has an argument now.

    And how is Aikman accurate with all the picks?
    Flacco gets in then, he is great in playoffs as well.

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    Aikman played in an era where defenders were still allowed to defend. The reason interception numbers have dropped so dramatically in recent years has nothing to do with quarterbacks being better or more accurate, and everything to do with how we’ve neutered defenses

  126. As a 49ers fan I can tell you Aikman is a Hall of Famer because in the playoffs he was a big time formidable QB.

    If Aikman played in this era under a coach like Sean Payton he would have more all time passing yards than Drew Brees. Actually Brees is like a poor man’s version of Aikman. Aikman was more accurate than Brees. Michael Irvin could be doubled, tripled covered and Aikman would still be able to put the ball right on Irvin.

  127. Rings matter. They show leadership and an ability to shine in key moments – especially for a QB. Logic like his is why guys who have never won anything (Like Chris Carter) get into the HOF while we debate whether or not Julian Edelman has enough “regular season yardage” to be considered.

  128. SWFLPC.INC says:
    May 24, 2019 at 11:11 am

    cadreamer1969 says:
    May 24, 2019 at 10:24 am
    Aikman shouldn’t be in the HOF. Winning rings is due to team’s success. It was the OL, defense, and Emmitt Smith that won those Superbowls.

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    since there are always 22 guys on the field for each play virtually every statistic is due to “team success”. But the reality is that individual players make “teams” more or less successful.

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    It’s 11 players doing their job that the team expects them to do not 11 individuals. The concept is an easy one. That’s why highly rated players don’t always play together well and make the best TEAM. It’s all about team work, offense, defense, special teams.

  129. He’s not better than Aikman. But 40,000 total yards and 234/117 td/int. 7 playoff seasons. 6 Pro Bowls. 9-7 in 16 playoff games. 92-49-1 in 11 years with PHI. I’m not saying he’s definitely HOF but he’s got an argument.

  130. Agree with McNabb, 237 TDs with 117 ints vs 164 TDs with 141 ints. Too bad McNabb didn’t have a better team around him. At least Aikman has better ststs than Dilfer 113 TDs with 129 ints.

  131. McNabb was a good QB with a really good coach and a really good team around him. They dominated the NFC East during most of their time together and were a difficult matchup for anybody they played. The problem with his arguemnt isn’t his numbers against Troy Aikman’s. It’s what he did or didn’t do with all those opportunities for greatness- to put his name with the best who’d ever played. He had his chances, year after year, and for whatever reason, they weren’t able to bring a trophy home. The 90’s Cowboys however, did- 3 times in 4 years. Haters will tell you that Emmitt’s stats were just the product of his great line. Aikman’s detractors will tell you he was just good because of Emmitt. Michael got all his numbers by pushing off. And yet somehow, this group of “couldn’t hold a candle to so and so” as a team, DOMINATED the NFL for half a decade. I mean the kind domination that allows you to tell the other team what play you’re going to run and run it successfully anyway.
    That’s what haters do- hate. And it’s easy to hate success when it comes from jealousy. The McNabb/Reid Eagles had many chances to do what Dallas did. And they couldn’t- not even once. So stir up all the revisionist history you’d like, in the end that’s what makes what Dallas did so amazing- they won it all and etched their names amoung the best to ever do it. And nobody can ever take it away.

  132. 49ersfury says:
    May 25, 2019 at 9:10 am
    As a 49ers fan I can tell you Aikman is a Hall of Famer because in the playoffs he was a big time formidable QB.

    If Aikman played in this era under a coach like Sean Payton he would have more all time passing yards than Drew Brees. Actually Brees is like a poor man’s version of Aikman. Aikman was more accurate than Brees. Michael Irvin could be doubled, tripled covered and Aikman would still be able to put the ball right on Irvin.
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    Irvin was great at going up and grabbing jump balls away from defenders. There’s no accuracy needed for that. That doesn’t prove he’s accurate.

  133. To determine whether or not he deserves to be in, you should compare his numbers with other modern era HOF QB’s who don’t have any rings. How does he stack up with Marino, Moon, Tarkenton, Fouts, Kelly, etc.

  134. It’s the Hall of “FAME” – not the Hall of “Stats” – Jim Plunkett isn’t in the Hall of Fame and he has two more super bowl rings than McNabb and a Super Bowl MVP too.

    It’s a mix of stats and winning that gets you in, or being historically transcendent to the game. That’s why Joe Namath is in, with his sub par numbers. He transcended the game on a historical level

    Hall of “FAME”

  135. Doolin Danger says:
    May 25, 2019 at 11:53 am

    It’s the Hall of “FAME” – not the Hall of “Stats” – Jim Plunkett isn’t in the Hall of Fame and he has two more super bowl rings than McNabb and a Super Bowl MVP too.

    It’s a mix of stats and winning that gets you in, or being historically transcendent to the game. That’s why Joe Namath is in, with his sub par numbers. He transcended the game on a historical level

    Hall of “FAME”

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    How is the QB on a team where the offense depended upon the running back and OL to dominate a HOFer? Jerry Jones found out how important Smith was to the success of the team when Smith held out for two games and they lost.

  136. the8man says:
    May 24, 2019 at 10:03 pm

    I often use Troy Aikman in my examples for an NFL HOF QB. Roughly a decade at QB, several Pro Bowl nods, a SB MVP and three SB victories. A heckuva career.

    Tom Brady has two such careers!

    Go Patriots!

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    What? Aikman threw for more than 19 TDs in a season once, he had 23. This is your HOF QB? The offense ran through Smith and a dominate OL.

  137. Giants fan, don’t think he was better than Aikman. I still remember the Carolina championship game, where his receivers couldn’t get off the line of scrimmage. They were showing replays of some of these guys on their arse. My thoughts are his receivers were trash majority of his career. James Trash was his #1 receiver, Todd Stinkston, Gregg Jennings, and of course Freddie Mitchell, who Bill Belichek even made a point to call garbage. He sent Chad Lewis to the probowl, only because he didn’t drop as many passes as the other trash. So he finally gets TO, and by the way got to the superbowl without him. People point to the fact that he puked but forget that drive ended with a TD. I know people say he had a good defense, but really they were up and down. I still remember ESPN, saying Mcnabb was 89% of Eagles offense or some ridiculous number. 5 NFC championships, playoffs practically every year. HOF in my book

  138. McNabb never won anything. Troy is a winner. That’s why he is in the HOF and DM isn’t.

  139. cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    May 24, 2019 at 9:54 am

    I don’t buy into the Super Bowl ring thing. Jim McMahon has as many rings as Peyton Manning. And like Peyton’s little brother Eli both were courtesy of the Patriots Super Bowl XX, Super Bowl XXXI.
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    I think you need a new Almanac.

  140. McNabb should compare apples to apples.. he was considered a running QB with a good arm, so lets compare him to a running QB with a good arm – Steve Young. McNabb doesnt even come close and 2004 will be the only remarkable season he ever had – and even then in his biggest moment, he choked literally and figuratively. I will never forget his casual walk to the LOS trailing late in the 4th like nothing was wrong.

    More notably, his time after football has just been horrendous. Zero respect for the person he is today compared to his early years.

  141. In general, a QB SHOULD have at least 1 ring to get in the hall unless he was truly special. IMO that is very short list, with Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and, well, NOT McNabb.

  142. I can’t believe there are still people who think McNabb puked in the Super Bowl just because someone with the sterling reputation of T.O. said that he did.

  143. @fl or io4prez
    I never saw finfan argue McMahon should be in the hall he was just pointing out that you were wrong in your snide comment that you thought was so witty so rather than double down with the snark just admit you were wrong and move on.

  144. Um Donovan? No, you are not hall of fame quality, on the field or off. And showing a petty attitude in envy of Troy Aikman and others hammers the point home even more. Chunky Soup commercials were about the highest you were going to go. Bad form, son..

  145. i’m a stat guy. i wholeheartedly believe in them. i’m not alone, there are ppl that WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with me about my belief in THE NUMBERS DON’T LIE. somewhere along the line the myth factor and reality meet up. they really do, so that’s how we need to approach this gentleman. i myself was not a big fan of donovan mcnabb during his career and i have to be honest not much of a fan reagarding his booth work either however that being said donovan mcnabb deserves [ based on his CAREER NFL NUMBERS ] a bust and a gold jacket from the NFL HOF in Canton Ohio. btw i’m born in ohio. toledo 1973. moving on. i will now make my point as to why. let’s all google : ALL TIME NFL QB WINS. i myself at this time like the interactive list provided by footballdb.com as a reference. however there are also others. currently : may 27th 2019 : donovan mcnabb is 14th on this list with aaron rodgers directly above him then joe flacco, matt ryan and troy aikman below him. without doubt rodgers flacco and ryan will move further up this list during the upcoming season, that would drop mcnabb into 16th place and troy aikman into 17th place on this list. donovan mcnabb has won 107 games as a starting NFL QB and he commands and deserves our respect because we all know it’s more than just a system that leads to 107 wins as a starting qb in the NFL. at some point there’s hard work and commitment put into the equation. 107 wins, reg season and postseason combined 258 pass td, a solid td to int ratio, a solid 85.6 qb rating, a valiant 24-21 loss in super bowl xxxix 30-51 357 3 tds 3ints. c’mon guys the troy aikman dallas cowboys didn’t need him with their strong d and #22 running the ball. they didn’t need t aikman or michael irvin with #22 and that dallas d and we all know it. we all know this is true. so stop putting d mcnabb on blast. give the man his respect as a starting qb in the NFL. 107 WINS don’t come easy. he did it and he did it good. i respect anyone’s decision to disagree with me. respect me in the same fashion. thank you. ✌🏻

  146. As Larry Bird would say, how many rings you got? Those are the numbers that count.

  147. Eagle fans won’t like this but Eli never would have choked.

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    As an Eagle fan – I agree!!!

  148. Isn’t the Hall of Fame an individual honor?

    Look at the numbers. McNabb was a better individual QB than Aikman.
    Aikman played on better teams. That shouldn’t be what makes someone a HOFer or not.

  149. To be fair the Cowboys always seemed to step it up when Aikman was out; from Steve Walsh to Steve Beuerlein to Bernie Kosar to Rodney Peete to Jason Garrett, the team never missed a beat. Aikman also had a relatively short career and never was one of the elite QBs (that would be Young, Favre, and Kelly).

    With that said Hall of Fame is really a team award and players get a ton of credit for being on several Super Bowl champions. Aikman fits that bill and made the Hall of Fame.

    Ultimately football is a team sport, if you put any quarterback in NFL history and put him behind David Carr’s line he would’ve had a David Carr career. You can’t succeed without teammates.

  150. Regardless of how you feel about the validity of these claims, the really sad part of this is that McNabb is trying to stand on the shoulder of a legend to make himself look taller. Troy NEVER had to justify himself to the HOF committee. He never once made any kind of statement like this. McNabb actually has to do this because there are so many people on the fence about him. True greatness speaks for itself, what McNabb is doing is just pitiful

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