A Tyreek Hill suspension is possible without proof of violence

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Some — not all, but some — Chiefs fans have picked a strange hill to die on.

The Tyreek Hill truthers cling to the notion that, absent proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Chiefs receiver broke the arm of his three-year-old son, he cannot be suspended. Emboldened by a recent comment from the local district attorney that Hill currently isn’t the subject of an active criminal investigation, while selectively ignoring the NFL’s comment that this development has no impact on its review of the situation, the Tyreek truthers have gone on the attack, insisting that Hill is “innocent,” demanding that he not be suspended, and shouting down anyone who would dare to mention that there’s much more to the story than the question of whether Hill will or should be prosecuted for child abuse.

The Personal Conduct Policy sweeps far more broadly than that. Beyond the fact that the NFL can, and will, investigate and punish a player for domestic violence even if he’s never arrested or charged (e.g., Ezekiel Elliott), the NFL also can, and will, punish a player for domestic misconduct that does not involve actual violence.

Indeed, the very first type of prohibited conduct listed under the policy covers “[a]ctual or threatened physical violence.” (Emphasis added.) In other words, threats alone are enough.

Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith learned that lesson last year, when he received a four-game suspension for threats and emotional abuse of the mother of his three-year-old child, apparently within the context of a custody dispute.

“The NFL found evidence of threatening and emotionally abusive behaviors by Jimmy toward his former girlfriend that showed a pattern of improper conduct,” the Ravens said when the suspension was announced last year. “Our player’s behavior was inappropriate and wrong.”

The behavior also wasn’t violent.

“I’m very close to Jimmy and it’s unfortunate with what happened,” former teammate Eric Weddle said at the time. “It’s hard to fathom arguing with your [significant other], never touching her and that gets you a suspension like this when guys are getting DUIs or physically abusing other people, and they never get near this [penalty]. I know details of it that I can’t get into, so I just feel bad for him.”

Hill admits that he said to Crystal Espinal earlier this year, “You need to be terrified of me too, bitch.” The comment came during an argument with Espinal regarding whether Hill’s son respect Hill or is terrified of him.

It’s for the league to decide whether that comment from Hill to Espinal amounts to a threat. Given that Hill previously admitted to choking and beating a then-pregnant Espinal in December 2014, it’s hard to regard his comment as idle chatter. And Hill’s past conduct, for which he was never disciplined by the league because he wasn’t in the league yet when it happened, surely will influence the league’s handling of him now.

What Hill previously did to Espinal was reprehensible; even the most ardent Chiefs fan will admit that. His comment — you need to be terrified of me too, bitch — suggests that the person who choked and beat Espinal more than four years ago is still lurking within him. That person requires intervention by the league, and if the league gave Jimmy Smith a four-game suspension with no history of violence or other misbehavior toward the mother of his child, Hill arguably merits at least that much.

Then there’s the ongoing proceeding that resulted in the removal of Hill’s son from Hill’s custody. Something like that doesn’t happen without serious, proven concerns that the child has been placed at significant risk, and the Personal Conduct Policy specifically prohibits “[c]onduct that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person.”

Applying basic logic, if Hill’s behavior created a situation that prompted the government to remove his son from Hill’s custody, Hill necessarily engaged in behavior that poses a genuine danger to the safety and well-being of another person.

Applying more basic logic, the league’s decision to delay its investigation while the Child Protective Services matter remains active suggests that the league has specific questions and concerns regarding the overall circumstances that resulted in Hill’s son being removed from Hill’s custody, regardless of whether those circumstances involve violence or threats of violence or emotional abuse.

So even without proof of violence, Hill can be suspended. He can be suspended for threats or emotional abuse of Espinal, Hill’s son, or both. Hill’s history of violence against Espinal, choking and beating her while pregnant, would become an aggravating factor that could make Hill’s suspension much longer than the four games Smith got last year.

93 responses to “A Tyreek Hill suspension is possible without proof of violence

  1. It’s plainly obvious the Goodell Regime does what it wants, how it wants.
    If such KC fans exist, they’re not sober.

  2. 8 games minimum. Zeke’s 6 games are nowhere close to what this guy did and the Jimmy Smith case is a good precedent.

  3. There must be a whole lot of delusional people if they do not feel ” threatening behavior ” existed in this case. Wake the hell up and remove this ” bully” from the NFL. The NFL has done way more to other players for a heck of a lot less. The longer they procrastinate, the more disgraceful the NFL looks. I do not understand Goodell some times, this should have been dealt with swiftly and severely. Goodell compromises the integrity of the NFL when he ” hides” like this.

  4. Without knowing what really happened haters take the side against the person ln a scorched earth manner. The town I live just elected a mayor that did they same thing against his opponent, no proof, the claims he made were proven false but the damage had been done.

  5. Ben got a six game suspension.

    Never charged so .. not convicted.

    The six was backed off to four based on Ben’s conduct through the suspension.

  6. I know it sounds like he did it. And I would be 1000000000% FOR permanently banning him from the NFL if he did. However, employers should not be removing people from their livelihoods based on allegations. That is not the country we live in and I don’t want it to be. Lets drop the hysterics, deal with facts and due process. The Forefathers said better a hundred guilty go free than one innocent go to jail, and that’s a basic underpinning of our country’s core values, as distasteful as that is some time.

  7. How can anyone possibly defend this animal, even chiefs fans? He clearly either did it, or the wife did it and neither will give the other one up. That poor kid.

  8. Of course it is. Deflategate taught us all that the NFL can do what they want.

    The goat had to sit out for games because both New England’s Indianapolis’ footballs were below the PSI limit that night.

  9. I can’t envision any scenario where he isn’t given some sort of suspension, and not for the obvious reasons he should be. If he doesn’t get suspended, the backlash will be huge. It’s all about optics with Goodell.

  10. The facts are an infant child was seriously injured by the parents. If it wasn’t them, they should be and would be saying who did. This is not astrophysics.

  11. Hate to say this, but hes too good to get kicked out of the league all together. BUT, he will be end up sitting more games than Zeke did. The NFL has made it clear that they will continue to handle situations like this on a case by base basis. Lets be real here, he will do the time for his crime and we will forget this ever happened.

  12. tinye67 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 12:03 pm
    Amazing talent….but a team and the league needs to stand for more.
    Draw a line in the sand and boot him from the league.
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    There are a lot of great players in the league—- he would not be missed.

  13. I think this says a lot more about our education system in America than it does the NFL. A lot of us think Hill was ok treating his son and wife the way he’s accused of treating them. Lot of weird stuff going on nowadays.

  14. If Kareem Hint got 8 games for kicking a woman, Hill should be taking a seat for at least a year as a child’s arm was broken and the CPS is involved. The Commissioner knows what he needs to do. The problem is – Will he?

  15. He should clearly be suspended but we all know the duration likely won’t make sense. It never does.

  16. Perhaps regular law enforcement will see the cutting edge of what the NFL is doing and start arresting and incarcerating people without any proof. The future is here now!

  17. Once again people are confusing the legal system with standards enforced by an employer.

  18. Dont be delusional there are many many bad people in the league that are good players. If Hill was a free agent there wku

  19. So why did Brady destroy his phone then? That’s not an action of an innocent person. It wasn’t even a big deal but ya know the Patriot way- deny deny deny

    thecape15 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 12:59 pm
    Of course it is. Deflategate taught us all that the NFL can do what they want.

    The goat had to sit out for games because both New England’s Indianapolis’ footballs were below the PSI limit that night.

  20. mackcarrington says:
    June 9, 2019 at 2:05 pm
    Perhaps regular law enforcement will see the cutting edge of what the NFL is doing and start arresting and incarcerating people without any proof. The future is here now!

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    The NFL is arresting and incarcerating people, eh? Seriously, people like you are why we can’t have nice things.

  21. snowlock2013 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 12:31 pm
    I know it sounds like he did it. And I would be 1000000000% FOR permanently banning him from the NFL if he did. However, employers should not be removing people from their livelihoods based on allegations. That is not the country we live in and I don’t want it to be. Lets drop the hysterics, deal with facts and due process. The Forefathers said better a hundred guilty go free than one innocent go to jail, and that’s a basic underpinning of our country’s core values, as distasteful as that is some time”

    For any player coming into the league or already in the league that has a history of domestic violence like Tyreek Hill does already admitted to choking and BEATING a pregnant woman, needs to be closely monitored and dealt with swiftly. This guy is the definition of repeat offender and his career and life as a dad a quickly both coming to an end and that is a good thing.

  22. The league will continue to delay and once preseason games start the Commis will give him the standard 6 game suspended reduced to 4 games. It’s all meaningless nonsense the way the NFL handles things.

  23. @ sphincterorleaveher:

    I’m not preventing you from doing whatever you want to do with your life.
    It’s people like YOU who like to blame everyone else for you own failures.

  24. isithockeyseasonyet says:
    June 9, 2019 at 2:53 pm
    So why did Brady destroy his phone then? That’s not an action of an innocent person. It wasn’t even a big deal but ya know the Patriot way- deny deny deny

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    Dude I am a Dolphins fan so I am no fan of Brady. But c’mon here….if you were Brady would you hand your phone with all your personal crap on it, probably including naked pictures of Gisele, to the buffoons in the NFL? Really?

    Moreover, why were the Colts footballs also under inflated? Why was Andrew Luck not suspended?

  25. If the Chiefs have the best record in the AFC, then Hill will be suspended before the Patriot game and throughout the playoffs. If Chiefs are not a threat to Goodell team, then nothi g will happen.

  26. Woman and child beater…
    He should be suspended indefinitely.
    But since he can run fast and catch a football, let’s just give him 6 games.
    Warped.

  27. They’re probably scared of more details coming out after they make a decision. Investigations take time.

  28. He was not even charged all you internet prosecutors lol let him play except for the 2 games against the Raiders I could careless.

  29. Hill should not play this season. Given his history, he should probably never play in the NFL again, but he is too talented for them to do that. If they were serious about women and children then he would be banned, period.

  30. This is some b.s. no proof tyreek did anything wrong, but the NFL will railroad another player. Bs

    A child was abused(and so was his mother) and has a broken arm, but some fans are so upset the NFL may hurt their team’s chances of winning FB gms. SMH.

  31. So when is Robert Kraft going to be suspended for patronizing a human trafficking operation
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    There was no human trafficking. That was proven false a long time ago. But they had to stand in front of the media and say Bob Kraft’s name along with that phrase.

    It helps if you read past the headlines.

  32. vaphinfan says:
    June 9, 2019 at 5:09 pm
    If the Chiefs have the best record in the AFC, then Hill will be suspended before the Patriot game and throughout the playoffs. If Chiefs are not a threat to Goodell team, then nothi g will happen.

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    Sure buddy. Pats is Goodells Fav team. he just suspended Brady without complete proof and didn’t suspend Luck

  33. A Suspension? PFT must be getting that $ from the NFL to suggest people are ready to let this child abuser back in the league after breaking his babies arm. If this wasn’t an A list NFL player he would be banned.

  34. cadreamer1969 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 12:12 pm
    Without knowing what really happened haters take the side against the person ln a scorched earth manner. The town I live just elected a mayor that did they same thing against his opponent, no proof, the claims he made were proven false but the damage had been done.

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    I agree that rumors should not be assumed, but perhaps give the tape a listen.

  35. The audio recording of Hill’s ex is more than enough of a reason to suspend him for one full season. The way Hill spoke to that woman is a stereotype about players that the NFL has been trying to shake for a long time. They have the perfect opportunity to show they’re not messing around and drop the hammer on Hill, who is on his second domestic violence incident (the first one was in college).

  36. michaeltb12 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 6:15 pm
    vaphinfan says:
    June 9, 2019 at 5:09 pm
    If the Chiefs have the best record in the AFC, then Hill will be suspended before the Patriot game and throughout the playoffs. If Chiefs are not a threat to Goodell team, then nothi g will happen.

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    Sure buddy. Pats is Goodells Fav team. he just suspended Brady without complete proof and didn’t suspend Luck
    +++++++++++++
    Without complete proof but enough to know he was guilty. And just like always its the teams Patriots are playing that catches them cheating. Funny the guys who beat the Patriots (Mannings meeting outside locker room and Eagles with fake walk thoughs) took precautions against their cheating was victorious. Weird right?

  37. Looks like many have already prejudged Hill on this case. Let’s get the facts and go from here.
    No charges were filed against Hill and that’s a good sign for him and Chiefs fans. There may be a suspension coming for him that may or may not be deserved.

  38. The league office has already determined what they wish to suspend Hill for they just have to wait to massage the facts so that they fit his pre-determined sentence. And KC’s ownership gets the cover from the league that they desire. Can’t wait for the Goodell Kangaroo Court to go away.

  39. Bottom line, nobody, including mike florio, knows how his son’s arm was broken. If he isn’t charged by the DA and DFS doesn’t conclude anything, what the hell is goodell supposed to do? Kick him out of the league for a private conversation that was recorded without his knowledge. I would imagine the nflpa would have something to say about that.

  40. Without complete proof but enough to know he was guilty.

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    A federal judge deemed him not guilty. ( he lost in court based on the argument that the NFL could do what they want, regardless of guilt)

    What do you know that the judge didn’t?

    I think it’s hilarious that the other teams change their plans!

  41. I think there should be evidence but once that evidence is established, send a powerful message, ban his ass forever. Let all players know, you beat a woman or a child and your out…period!

  42. If the Chiefs release him, he will not stay unemployed for long. He is way too talented.

  43. Truly amazes me that patriot fans cry about Goodell when he burned all of the spygate tapes to save their sorry cheaticheating franchise. He is best friends with kraft, and these patriot clowns actually think he is against them? They have benefited from more favorable calls than any franchise in sports history and still cry. It is mindboggling. Go Blues!

  44. MuzzerFuzzer says:
    June 9, 2019 at 7:22 pm
    Bottom line, nobody, including mike florio, knows how his son’s arm was broken
    **************

    Right. So a guy who punched, kicked and strangled his pregnant girlfriend, then when told his 3 year old son with a broken arm accused him of breaking it replies “You should be terrified of me too bitch”, should be given the benefit of the doubt?

    No. Every single person on this board knows exactly who broke that little boy’s arm. Wake up! The police are on record stating publicly they believe a crime occurred.

    This is no different than when the cop’s get a 911 call for domestic violence and they show up to see the wife with a black eye, but she won’t press charges and the hubby does not get prosecuted. Do you geniuses still believe that guy is innocent? Just because he wasn’t indicted?

    It’s amazing the suspension of morals some people will make in hopes their team makes the playoffs.

    You can bank this one, Hill will not play a single down this season. Sorry Chiefs fans, your dynasty in the making is a few more years out.

  45. thermanmerman99 says:
    June 9, 2019 at 8:15 pm
    Truly amazes me that patriot fans cry about Goodell when he burned all of the spygate tapes to save their sorry cheaticheating franchise. He is best friends with kraft, and these patriot clowns actually think he is against them? They have benefited from more favorable calls than any franchise in sports history and still cry. It is mindboggling. Go Blues!

    That would be the packers and all the stupid holding on the OL that doesn’t get called, how else can you explain that rodgers has all the time in the world to pull a play out of his ass?

  46. Truly amazes me that patriot fans cry about Goodell when he burned all of the spygate tapes to save their sorry cheaticheating franchise.

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    What are you talking about. The Pats lost the first round draft pick and got fined.

    You were upset that the NFL did not show the tape is everybody?

    Does the NFL show their evidence to the public in all cases? How about the drugs found in the owner of the Indianapolis Colts car? What about sharing evidence when teams piped noise into their stadiums?

    And argument can be made about every single NFL team about favorable calls.

    It sounds like sour grapes more than anything. Who is your team?

  47. riverhorsey says:
    June 9, 2019 at 7:00 pm
    Looks like many have already prejudged Hill on this case. Let’s get the facts and go from here.
    No charges were filed against Hill and that’s a good sign for him and Chiefs fans. There may be a suspension coming for him that may or may not be deserved.

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    The NFL doesn’t need Hill to be charged by law enforcement. Hill’s actions embarrassed the NFL shield, so he’s got to be punished. They’ve punished players for far less. That recording is very damning and there’s no way to dress up the nasty things he said to her. Add in the potential endangering of a child and the situation is 100x amplified. The child element of this story means people outside of football will be watching how Goodell handles this. He’s got to come down hard on Hill.

  48. as there was just enuff supposed proof in deflategate to cost brady four games and a first round pick …. is the whole culmination here not just worse along with actual physical harm and to a very small boy ??? … so make it six along with two first round picks … after all folks they would do it to the pats faster than the drop on the elvis hat, we know that is the sad facts

  49. Roger will do what Roger thinks makes the NFL look good in Roger’s eyes. Not defending Hill bc of past behavior though his girl has proved she’s a lying expletive. That’s why they can not proceed. Can’t trust a word either of them say. Hope the kid gets adopted.

  50. Right. So a guy who punched, kicked and strangled his pregnant girlfriend, then when told his 3 year old son with a broken arm accused him of breaking it replies “You should be terrified of me too bitch”, should be given the benefit of the doubt?

    Yes. Similarly, a team caught breaking the rules by videotaping New York Jets’ defensive coaches’ signals from an unauthorized location should be given the benefit of the doubt when the allegation of improper deflating footballs is made.

  51. Can’t we all agree our legal system kinda sucks? Pretty much every time someone representing the NFL gets caught doing something illegal, charges get dropped. It’s got to be over a 90% rate or something.

  52. Hill’s past record and what he said on the tape are enough to get him fired anywhere else. The NFL is about the only place that would keep someone like Hill. A business has a right to protect their image and they don’t need evidence or a jury’s verdict.

  53. This public trial is amazing.

    I have not read a single mainstream news outlet provide all the facts of the case and it is simply another trial by media and the social justice warriors. I will outline the known facts. There is zero proof of any child abuse by Tyreek and the timeline is never mentioned and only snippets make the mainstream media.

    After Crystal’s accusations that Tyreek had broken the child’s arm he was removed from the home by social services.
    While at a hotel Tyreek logged into the security system and found that his 3 year old son was wandering the home unattended while Crystal was passed out in bed. This being the reason the child was taken into protective custody.
    After this Crystal attempted to get Tyreek to admit guilt in a 14 min conversation which had a 4 min segment leaked. He never admitted guilt.
    However the threatening behaviour during this conversation alone should see him get a 4-6 game ban.
    Criminal case dropped (No Evidence, No camera footage)
    The latest development Crystal is being assessed for munchausen syndrome by proxy.

    There is a lot more to this case than anyone has let on. It is highly complex and this trial by social media that assumes guilt from the word go just has to stop. If he is guilty the truth will surface and should be banned for life. But lets get the facts and let the case run its course before banning a potentially innocent man.

  54. Some — not all, but some — Chiefs fans have picked a strange hill to die on.

    The Tyreek Hill truthers cling to the notion that, absent proof beyond a reasonable doubt that the Chiefs receiver broke the arm of his three-year-old son, he cannot be suspended.
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    Now you are just making up stuff for the premise of an article. Most likely because you love to hate on the Chiefs.

  55. Its how the KC fan base is. They all are delusional. I mean they actually think their organization top tier. They have 5 playoff wins since 1970, that is 31st in the NFL during that time span.

  56. Truly amazes me that patriot fans cry about Goodell when he burned all of the spygate tapes to save their sorry cheaticheating franchise. He is best friends with kraft, and these patriot clowns actually think he is against them? They have benefited from more favorable calls than any franchise in sports history and still cry. It is mindboggling. Go Blues!
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    I love when people accuse others of crying…….while actually crying trying to make their point. The irony is beautiful.

  57. Hill already admitted to strangling and kicking his pregnant girlfriend in the abdomen. How is he even allowed in the league due to that?

    The NFL needs to take a zero tolerance stance on felony violence. If you are convicted of it or plead out, you are no longer eligible to play in the NFL.

  58. kchoya says:
    June 10, 2019 at 12:44 am
    Right. So a guy who punched, kicked and strangled his pregnant girlfriend, then when told his 3 year old son with a broken arm accused him of breaking it replies “You should be terrified of me too bitch”, should be given the benefit of the doubt?

    Yes. Similarly, a team caught breaking the rules by videotaping New York Jets’ defensive coaches’ signals from an unauthorized location should be given the benefit of the doubt when the allegation of improper deflating footballs is made.

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    I had to think a moment to realize you had switched to talking about the Patriots because thats such a topic jump. What do the Patriots have to do with TH’s domestic issues?

  59. He needs to be banned for life, and she needs to be protected from him. Don’t need anymor of these kind of statistics. Time to send a message

  60. I imagine that Goodell’s decision about suspension is going to hinge not on severity of offense but rather the optics of it and potential for bad PR on the brand. He knows that as soon as he hands down any sentence the media reporting is going to replay that recording for shock effect, and get it too. When there is a public outrage wave no penalty is enough so whether Goodell goes light or heavy it will be deemed not enough. (Actually the penalty handed down will be the starting point for people to then think of what more they want). The league will get criticized for being too light. Also, after any suspension is served his reinstatement will be accompanied by another round of the recording.

  61. the only innocent person involved here is the child. Have pity on Hill, The Chiefs, The NFL, and most of all the KC District Attorney who thinks there is nothing to investigate when a parent breaks their child arm. (Nor bruised, but fractured it.) Matthew 18:6

  62. Why not suspend him?
    Hill has brought all yhis negative publicity onto his employers. Is he supposed to get away with it?
    Either way the NFL cannot win whether they suspend Hill or not.
    That’s sad. If the media stayed out of the NFL’s business, the NFL would operate smoothly.

  63. So since my post yesterday more detail has emerged. Both medical and police have categorically stated that the arm break was not caused by an assault and is consistent with a regular normal trip or fall from a toddler.

    Maybe just maybe before grabbing our pitchforks and torches in future we’ll sit back and let the truth unfold before throwing the innocent in a river to see if they float!

  64. very dangerous precedent would be set if people were found guilty (or in this case, suspended) just because of public outcry.

  65. There definitely should be a suspension. Some “fans” are calling for a permanent ban but that is ridiculous, especially without a conviction. Sill the NFL must punish players who partake in conduct that is detrimental to the league. 4 game suspension minimum.

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