Matt LaFleur, Aaron Rodgers know they have to work through “the audible thing”

AP

The first snippet emerged on Friday, and it wasn’t a great look for a franchise quarterback with a propensity for passive-aggressive commentary. The full story has now landed, and it’s clear that both Packers coach Matt LaFleur and Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers currently don’t see eye-to-eye regarding the issue of audibles, and that they’re not bashful about publicly discussing it.

“Aaron and I have had some good talks, and we’re going to have to talk a lot more — and one thing we have to work through is the audible thing,” LaFleur told Mike Silver of NFL Media. “We’re running a system I first picked up while working with Kyle [Shanahan] in Houston a decade ago, and we’ve never really had a quarterback who’s had complete freedom to change plays at the line, because that’s not really the way the offense is set up. But, I mean, this is Aaron Rodgers. He’s had a lot of freedom to make those calls, and deservedly so. Now, how do we reconcile that, and get to a place where we put him in the best position to succeed?”

However they do it, it’s clear that Rodgers wants more control than the offense currently gives him. Here’s the full version of the quote that made a stir over the weekend.

“It’s a conversation in progress,” Rodgers told Silver. “I don’t think you want to ask me to turn off 11 years [of recognizing defenses]. We have a number of ‘check with mes’ and line-of-scrimmage stuff. It’s just the other stuff that really not many people in this league can do. That’s not like a humble brag or anything; that’s just a fact. There aren’t many people that can do at the line of scrimmage what I’ve done over the years. I mean, obviously, Tommy [Brady] can do it, no doubt. Peyton [Manning] could do it. Drew [Brees] can do it. [Patrick] Mahomes will be able to do it. Ben [Roethlisberger] has called the two-minute for years. There are a few of us who’ve just done it. It’s kind of second nature. And that’s just the icing on the cake for what I can do in this offense.”

The real question is whether LaFleur wants his cake to be iced.

“[W]e pride ourselves on having concepts that have answers for whatever,” LaFleur said. “Now, it might not always be the best answer, but you have an answer. But when there are plays that are called that have maybe not a very good answer, we typically call two plays and we run one or the other, based upon the look that the defense is giving us. The quarterback chooses, and there are criteria: We try to teach him the criteria for why we would want this play over the other play.”

There’s the core of the debate. LaFleur’s system has two plays and one or the other is used. Rodgers would like to have the freedom to broaden that menu. The challenge for LaFleur will be to get Rodgers to buy in to the approach, and then to perhaps exercise some discretion when it’s time to go through his reads.

83 responses to “Matt LaFleur, Aaron Rodgers know they have to work through “the audible thing”

  1. oh God…no one player is above the team or the scheme…see the New England Patriots and their run of dominance…systems and discipline work in football…and in many ways it’s the reason why Joe was considered to be the GOAT, due to the West Coast Offense under Bill Walsh…now Tom is widely regarded as the GOAT because of the amazing system he’s flourished in under Belichick, Charlie Weiss, Bill, and now McDaniels…Aaron is not exempt!!!

  2. The quarterback chooses, and there are criteria: We try to teach him the criteria for why we would want this play over the other play.
    ____
    Rodgers’ criteria: Me first. Me second. Team third.

  3. A whole lot of playcalling drama before a snap has even been played.

    God help us once the season starts and things don’t go as planned.

  4. Limiting it to just two options when a QB and team is capable of doing more is just control-freaky nonsense. Why just two? What about two plays as options is better than three, four, five, or the entire playbook? Does anyone think other established vet QBs are limited to just two options?

  5. Can’t wait to watch all the failed plays this year due to miscommunication between coaching staff and players. Rodgers won’t let anyone coach him, he thinks he should be the coach. I’m betting on major dysfunction with the Packers this year, 3rd place depending on how he Lions do.

  6. Look at it this way, even as a Pats fan I’d agree Rodgers is a better pure-passer, especially on the long pass, but Brady is a better field tactician and that’s part of why he has more rings. If brainy Brady is happy to work with McDaniels and Belichick all through the game and doesn’t monster them with his own freelancing or snipe them in the press (EVER) if a play call get’s queried. When did you ever hear any moans (even with O’Brien as Pats’ OC) from Brady about any play calls? Maybe Rodgers should knuckle down and be a teamer for once.

  7. Rodgers will get things the way he wants or he will sabotage LaFleur just like he did to mccarthy!

  8. At the line of scrimmage Rogers has skills that can be used to win games. I want that to be used to full advantage. I do not want a new coach to say do it my way, do not improvise based on what you see at the last second, just run what I say. Fact is, this is Rogers team. Responsibility for the Packers SB record will largely fall on him, he is the guy that has to throw the passes, so let him call some shots.

  9. This is only the beginning. Of the end.

    Get your popcorn. You already have your beer.

    It’s going to be a long season for us Packers fans. Very. Long. Unfortunately.

  10. The offense is not set up like that? Mr. LeFluer, do you mean that when you’ve called a running play and the QB sees the defense lined up to stop a run that you want the offense to go ahead and execute the run?

  11. The spin here as always is very biased, but I suggest you go read Silver’s article, it is actually fairly well written.

    My favorite part was Aaron explaining that sometimes he says jokes at a level that he doesn’t care if anyone gets the joke. He just let’s it sit. This I know and have said many times that this is a very key reason why some people misunderstand and don’t like Aaron, they don’t get that he is playing with peoples minds and joking a lot of the time.

    I have zero concerns about Aaron’s and MLF’s relationship. Everything I have witnessed has given me a very positive vibe.

    Any offense is a work in progress and from what I have seen so far I really like the direction this offense is going in. Of course if you don’t like the Packers you are going to try and present a different narrative. That’s fine. This offense will only be proven on the field and I can’t wait for September 5th.

    #GoPackGo!🏈

  12. Rodgers has come full circle, when he replaced favre he was labeled the pocket passer who would run the offense GB wanted vs favre who was the just drop back and sling qb.

  13. Discount Dubious Check… remember you can’t spell TEAM w/out ME… there is not I in team but there is in WIN… The Rodgers Manifesto

  14. What a sticky situation in Green Bay! Looks like the Bears will only be competing with the Vikings for the division this season. What a downward spiral Rodgers is taking that franchise on!

  15. oh my! This is unraveling much sooner than I predicted. Aaron didn’t even wait until the honeymoon was over before saying, “Honey, we need to talk.”

  16. Rodgers just got paid again. What are the Packers going to do if he gets out of line? Release him? Trade him?

    I wouldn’t be surprised if there is some buyers remorse down the line w this contract extension. He’s been a HoFer no doubt, but not sure the next few years will be as good

  17. GB should trade Rodgers. This whole debate is absolutely insane. Those hating on Rodgers are the social media mob who always have something to be upset about.

  18. Majority of teams don’t have a QB who has either the smarts to recognize holes in the defense, or talent to bring it off. You’d think drafting QBs high (like 12th), or trying to buy it for $84 mil GUARANTEED would do the job, but nein, nyet, nawwwwww…………….try again in 2 yrs.

  19. This is why Rogers can never be mentioned in the same sentence as the greats of this era; Brady, Brees, Manning. Those three would never say stuff like that.

  20. Rodgers is way too deep into his career to stomach a coach telling him to fall in line. They better find a way to iron this out or it is going to be a bad year!

  21. Yeah Rodgers makes me miss Peyton Manning yeah he had a big ego but even he knew sometimes that coach knew best. God I used to like Rodgers but he is such a d bag.

  22. I agree with LeFleur. you run his offense his way. or you’re out.
    Either get him a rookie to work with in a couple years or he’ll be on a different team in a couple years. Rodgers isn’t going anywhere, unless you want to do the EXACT same thing you did with Favre and then see your ‘hero’ in purple. Again.

    Whats the over/under to the first time Rodgers throws his Tablet in disgust on the sidelines?
    I’d say week 5.

  23. Rodgers craziness is clearly on display for all to see now. This guy thinks he is God or something and that no one knows more then him.

    Green Bay can get atleast a 1st round pick from a team like the Bengals for Rodgers; I suggest they move him while they can still get great value for him.

  24. He is a DIVA. So passive aggressive as well. Pretty weak, but what do you expect: the guy can’t chug a beer but then says he can chug a glass of scotch. Like really? Lol! If you can’t chug a beer, you certainly can’t chug scotch!! He might have the most fragile ego in NFL History.

  25. Remember when Manning went to the Broncos, and they stopped him from changing the play at the line of scrimmage? Yeah, me neither. Nothing groundbreaking here.

  26. The folks suggesting the trading of Aaron Rodgers, fail to realize that the Packers can’t trade him without a $78 million cap hit.

    That’s what happens when yo pay a QB $80 million in the first year of a new contract.

    Right, wrong or indifferent, Rodgers and the Packers are married for at least three years.

  27. I agree with Rodgers on this, but take it to your coach, not a reporter. Rodgers comes off like a little princess when he sends messages through the media

  28. Looks like the coach will need to make some concessions or will end up in very tough spot.

  29. How the hell are all of you saying “Take it up with the coach, not the media” SO certain that Rodgers HASN’T raised these issues with the coaches and front office?????

    You sure are quick to put all the blame on Rodgers, that much is clear.

  30. I’m a Vikings fan and have used the word diva to describe Rodgers many times. In this case, I don’t think he’s being a diva by saying that he can other elite QBs have the ability to read the defense and react accordingly at the line. I don’t think this is about Aaron being all about Aaron, but actually wanting to have the flexibility at the line to help his team. Still, the fact that both men opted to go public with the dispute suggests that it is more than a minor problem. It will be interesting to see if they find common ground or if this will be a major point of contention going forward.

  31. Looks like there may be some confusion as to who is in charge here. I thought they got that ironed out during the interviewing segment of hiring a HC. Obviously not.

  32. They have about 8 weeks to sort this out. It’s not a good look for Rodgers at this point. LaFleur does have one card to play; the bench. Might be time to bring in a veteran backup.

  33. When I think of Rodgers and LaFleur discussing how the offense will be done, it reminds me of the conversation between Thor and Peter Quill about who is in charge in Avengers: End Game.

  34. I am sure they will work to improve not only their relationship, but the team as well. Rodgers has an intelligent football mind. Lafleur has an intelligent football mind. If they can work together to tweak that system so it is comfortable to both, they should have amazing success. I am sure Lafleur is open to creating a hybrid system if he believes it will work. All systems started somewhere and they always change to adapt to players and coaches. These guys are professionals. They will make it work.

  35. As a lifelong cheesehead, I would have no problem if LeFleur benched Rodgers, if Rodgers doesn’t follow orders, McCarthy gave him free reign and the offense suffered the past 2 years, the defense sucks, that too has been a big part of the problem, but Rodgers needs to check his ego at the door, Lefleur is young and has a bright future, Rodgers is in the tail end of his career, he needs to do less commercials, and focus on the few years he has left, and trust the coach and his system until proven otherwise.

  36. Aarron Rodgers is 35 years old and thinks all his experience makes him a GREAT team leading QB. He has one Super Bowl..thats it. I hate to even say this, but if he gets injured this year Lefleur will have a window to begin the process of replacing him with QB that he can groom.

  37. This sounds like a great “problem” to have……a coach with a winning system, a player that can run it, and a track record of making great things happens when things break down. What’s the problem?

    Win-win-win.

  38. A QB usually has a couple plays called from sidelines. The QB can audible out of one to the other. The problem with Aaron is that he tells everyone go long. He has to get the stats.

  39. Does everybody remember when Matt Schaub threw a pick 6 to Richard Sherman I the closing moments of a game to gift the Seahawks a victory? Kubiak defended the play saying the offense doesn’t audible. That was when people knew he was done in Houston.

    I believe Kubiak allowed Manning to audible during their time in Denver. If the coach chooses not to make use of Rodgers ability to read the field, he’s handicapping his team while benefiting their opponent.

  40. Also, this Houston style offense that originated in Denver doesn’t work as well when the team doesn’t have a stout defense. GB hasn’t had a good defense for the better part of a decade now.

  41. Trade Rogers for some good players, while they still can.

    Move on from this guy.

    Its over.

  42. It might be a good idea for you all to READ the whole article. It is actually quite good. Silver spoke to both Aaron and Matt and it’s a very interesting read. I am actually even more excited about the upcoming season. Both men admit they have different perspectives and why. And both are working together, trying to compromise when needed, or to adapt. Aaron admits it is a bit overwhelming to be learning a new offensive after 13 years (yeah, what a coach killer) with McCarthy. But he is excited and trying to embrace the new system. Matt recognizes Aaron’s transcendent talent and believes his system will take even his talent to a new level. I am very excited to see how this works out, but after reading the entire article, I am looking forward to the season.

  43. greenandgoldgirl says:
    June 17, 2019 at 8:41 pm
    Silver spoke to both Aaron and Matt and it’s a very interesting read. I am actually even more excited about the upcoming season. Both men admit they have different perspectives and why. And both are working together, trying to compromise when needed, or to adapt
    ====================================================

    I agree to a point, but when it come to a “Tug-a-war”, who gets the final say?

    It should be the coach.

    My guess is Matt will start to install his system, and work out the kinks this year. But I strongly doubt, he see’s Rogers time there lasting much longer.

    He will bring in his own guy soon.

  44. The actual article is rather lighthearted and even talk about Rodgers dry sense of humor that I don’t think it’s that big of a deal. Although Rodgers didn’t really need to make it public about his disagreement about making audible.

  45. Gotta say, Rodgers has a point. Arrogant, sure. But he’s got a good point. He wants to be able to do what he does best, and, like it or not, he’s earned it. Sharing it in the media? Probably bad taste, but nevertheless his point is valid.

  46. You are the player, he is the head coach. Oh boy!
    Long year again for the Cheesers, anything is possible AR did comeback from his fake injury golf cart ride against the Bears
    This average QB demands drama, just ask the remaining 10oz of beer that was left in his cup!

  47. If I had Aaron Rodgers at QB, why would I want to restrict what he’s able to do rather than take advantage of his abilities?

  48. LeFleur said in the article the one thing he does not want to limit is Rodgers’ uncanny ability to make plays when everything breaks down. The eyes of haters tend to glaze over after reading only the headlines.

    Nothing to worry. Everything is coming up Milhouse.

  49. stellarperformance says:
    June 17, 2019 at 5:13 pm
    This sounds like a great “problem” to have……a coach with a winning system
    ———————————

    Please explain this winning system you speak of. Unless you’ve been to the future or maybe it’s typical cheesehead delusion.

  50. Everyone not a Packer van hates Rogers. No problem. Personality is a side issue compared to production on the field. Give me production first, and I strongly suspect the best production will be obtained by allowing the QB here as much flexibility as he can handle.

  51. Liberalsruineverything says:
    June 18, 2019 at 8:50 am
    Please explain this winning system you speak of. Unless you’ve been to the future or maybe it’s typical cheesehead delusion.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    I’m not worried in the least, obviously not like you.

  52. stellarperformance says:
    June 18, 2019 at 7:17 am

    Nothing to worry. Everything is coming up

    @@@@@@@@@@@

    Using a cartoon reference to describe the packers. Sounds about right.

  53. What if a receiver decided to run any route he wanted,a defensive back played any coverage he wanted or a lineman picked any blocking scheme he wanted?? It would be chaos. Find someone who will play qb within the system and move on..

  54. stellarperformance says:
    June 18, 2019 at 10:10 am
    Liberalsruineverything says:
    June 18, 2019 at 8:50 am
    Please explain this winning system you speak of. Unless you’ve been to the future or maybe it’s typical cheesehead delusion.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    I’m not worried in the least, obviously not like you.
    ——————————————

    Worried about what? The rookie nobody head coach or the or the diva QB who was pretty good 5 years ago?

  55. Lafluer: OK Aaron when you stomp your feet and clench your fist and hold your breath, what does that mean??

  56. @freefromwhatyouare Your not on Twitter so quit with the hashtags. If your not 10 years old it makes it look like you are.

    @aa1829 Its hard to put any stock in your analysis when you spell Rodgers name wrong multiple times.

    @thedpr Your making it sound like their only going to run 2 plays all game. He’s given an option of 2 plays at the line which isn’t just about that play/series but it’s also about setting up plays later in the game. This also happens more than you think, it’s no different than the fact that some teams script their 1st 20 plays.

  57. jonathankrobinson424 says:

    June 17, 2019 at 5:07 pm

    Aarron Rodgers is 35 years old and thinks all his experience makes him a GREAT team leading QB. He has one Super Bowl..thats it. I hate to even say this, but if he gets injured this year Lefleur will have a window to begin the process of replacing him with QB that he can groom.
    ——-
    I love how naive and spoiled people are by seeing Brady. The fact is there are 12 starting qbs in history who have won multiple super bowls with Eli, Roethlisberger and Brady being the only 3 current. There are also a lot of great qbs who have never won 1.

  58. @the singular troll

    Please tell me more stuff that triggers you enough to take the time to post and cry about it. I will make sure to add more of it.👍

    #OneTeamOneNation

    #PackersNation

    #TitleTown

    #GoPackGo!🧀

  59. Liberalsruineverything says:
    June 18, 2019 at 11:43 am
    Worried about what? The rookie nobody head coach or the or the diva QB who was pretty good 5 years ago?
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    You tell us! Something brings you back time after time. If you didn’t care, you wouldn’t care. But you do. Something is under your skin, and I’m guessing the rise of the Packers and the inevitable wasted opportunities of the Vikings has something to do with it.

    Thou doth protest too much.

  60. Can’t wait until the curts cousin love boat sinks in December as usual. All these purple dopes sure are arrogant and ignorant. You couldn’t even win the nfc championship game in a supposedly weak nfc. What about that home Superbowl victory you all guaranteed? You have the same team as last year! How is that improvement?

  61. Barneys gonna go 8-8 this year. Proving once again 2017 season was a FLUKE!! CHOKE!CHOKE!CHOKE!

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