Brees, Brady come in relatively low on the Simms QB ranking

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Much of the Chris Simms Top 40 quarterback countdown has been uneventful. On Thursday, it became rather eventful.

We crossed into the top 10, and at the bottom of the best are two guys who arguably are better than where they landed.

At No. 10: Drew Brees. At No. 9: Tom Brady.

Yes, the eight guys still left to be ranked (including the likes of Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, and Andrew Luck) are all great players. But better than Brees and Brady?

Given that Brees seemed late in the 2018 season to be slipping a bit physically, it’s easier to justify putting him at No. 10. Brady has shown no slippage at all, and he’s only the greatest quarterback of all time.

Do you agree with either? Both? Neither? Chime in below. And join us next week for the final eight selections.

132 responses to “Brees, Brady come in relatively low on the Simms QB ranking

  1. Yikes! Prepare yourselves for an avalanche of disgruntled Patriot fans who’ll undoubtedly blame Roger Goodell for this grave injustice.
    How dare should one man’s objective opinion deviate from an entire fan base’s diatribe.

  2. I imagine Simms must be ranking the quarterbacks based on how he expects them to play this season rather than what they did last season or through their careers. In that case, it isn’t that unreasonable to expect a dropoff from both. The problem is that’s been expected for years and it hasn’t happened.

  3. Not a NE fan but cmon, Brady is # 1 on any QB list until he retires! There is no better situational QB in the NFL. Regardless of what talent you surround him with, his performance never wavers.

  4. Notice the most IMPORTANT part of the article, crybabies!!

    “Brady has shown no slippage at all, and he’s only THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK OF ALL TIME”!

    GOAT x 6

  5. He’s still a great QB, but the system in NE and his ability to execute it is the reason for his success at this point, not physical talent. SO many of his throws are short dink and dunk/rub route throws that allows for his players to get YAC.

    In the playoffs he threw 2 TDs and 3 INTs in 3 games, and don’t forget his playoffs SHOULD have ended with the pick against KC where Ford was in the neutral zone (and didn’t affect the play). His playoff line would have looked even worse, but for a mental mistake that allowed him to play another mediocre game in which his team won.

    He’s the GOAT, but he’s not the current greatest.

  6. “Brees, Brady come in relatively low on the Simms QB ranking”

    Well that tells you all you need to know about his QB ranking.

  7. Huge slippage last season. Brady was great in the 2018 playoffs, setting an all time record. This year he threw 2 TDs and 3 interceptions throughout the playoffs and had one of the worst Super Bowl performances in history. Only reason he won the AFCCG and SB were because of an opponent’s mistake and Belichick’s defense…a microcosm of his career.

  8. so predictable. two things going on here: say something controversial to get noticed among the talking heads and more importantly, he has never gotten over being measured against the GOAT during his stint as a gopher in NE. the last time he pulled this stunt brady went on a run of 4 super bowl appearances and 3 more rings.

  9. So if you were picking a team from scratch, who would pick 2019 brady over the other QBs listed in the article?

    Brady has obviously had incredible success on the patriots, but even if he’s the GOAT, it doesn’t mean he is currently a top qb.

  10. All Brady does is win with whoever he is surrounded by. The haters will always have an excuse, the system, the defense blah blah blah whatever. Go ahead put him on any other team and guess what? They will win. Put Brady on any of those teams with a higher ranked QB and guess what? They would be better and win more games so Simms your rankings are worthless

  11. One good year on a team loaded on offense and Mahomes is now better than Brady and Brees? Don’t be a prisoner of the moment. Mahomes looks great but so did a lot of guys when they are surrounded by talent. The true test of a franchise QB is when he has to carry the team himself. Lets see Mahomes do that before we put him ahead of others who have accomplished it.

  12. Rodgers, Luck and Big Ben have not had any great seasons in years.

    Mahomes one great year.

    Wilson has been steady very good but without the degree of clutch play of Brees and Brady.

    By all metrics, Chris Simms has been imbibing bad stuff again.

  13. digbysellers says: “Won’t have to wait around for the rest of the countdown then. He’s already shown he’s a knucklehead with this mumbo jumbo.”
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    The fact that Simms has Tyler Murray ranked in the Top 25 BEFORE ever throwning a ball in the NFL says everything you need to know about his “list”.

  14. The lower the “expert” rankings and expectations, the greater Brady and Brees perform. So I expect them to meet in next season’s Super Bowl now.

  15. Judging a QB by Super Bowl wins is the stupidest criteria. Coaching and defense wins championships and Brady has had an unprecedented run with 17 years with Belichick and 14 years with a top 10 defense. Any great QB with those advantages would have similar success especially when the opposing team keeps making critical mistakes in the 4th quarter.

  16. Actually I have no problem Simms ranking Brady below any of the QB’s listed in this article because its simply one man’s opinion. Who cares. Most are younger, more mobile (that’s a thing now if you didn’t know) better arms and more upside (of course).

    But… Rothlessburger over Brady…..that’s just ludicrous on ANY level. Have Simms check Rothlessburger’s home and away stats for the last SEVERAL years. It’s like he’s a different (and much worse) QB on the road.

  17. Peyton Manning would have won more super bowls than Brady if he had played in NE. NE is good because of the system Coach B put in. Manning > Brady in that system, easily.

  18. Judging a QB by Super Bowl wins is the stupidest criteria.
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    OK, how about judging a QB by SB wins and individual QB stats? Because Brady has both. His stats put him among the best ever, he has the MVPs, and also the SB wins/MVPs. He’s the only one that has it all in abundance. That is why he is the undisputed GOAT.

  19. Drew Brees had 32 TDS to only 5 INTs and had the #1 QBR in the league, so he’s shown that he’s still a force.

  20. If Dee Ford isn’t offsides the narrative would be Brady’s done. Go back to the Pittsburgh game – lost the game on a forced Int.

  21. jfmod says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:09 pm
    Peyton Manning would have won more super bowls than Brady if he had played in NE. NE is good because of the system Coach B put in. Manning > Brady in that system, easily.

    Excuses excuses excuses….

    10 times manning had a top 10 D and a top 5 O going into the playoffs
    He went 1 and done 9 of those times

    He’s NOT Clutch, he chokes. Did it at Tennessee did it in the NFL more times than not. It doesn’t matter who the coach is. The PLAYERS have to execute.

    More Manning EXCUSE making

  22. Patriots defense doesn’t get mentioned enough when discussing their Super Bowl wins. Brady has had a top 10 defense 14 times. Peyton 5 times…Brees 2 times and Rodgers once. Only reason Brady has all those rings is because he has more top 10 defenses than all the other great QBs combined.

  23. Peyton Manning would have won more super bowls than Brady if he had played in NE. NE is good because of the system Coach B put in. Manning > Brady in that system, easily.
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    103/155; 1001 yards; 3TD/5INT; 77 QB rating

    The above is PM’s state line for all 4 SBs he played in. Please now allow the adults to continue talking.

  24. When has Brady had to carry the Patriots and won a SB?

    He’s always had top 10 defenses, special teams and the best coach and system.

    Brady’s best years statistically were from 2007 to 2013 yet he won no Super Bowls.

    Brady failed twice against the Giants.

    Brady was bailed out against the Seahawks and Falcons.

    Brady lost to the Eagles despite a great performance.

    Matt Ryan out played Brady but lost.

    Brady was horrible against the Rams and Chiefs.

    Brady has terrible stats in a lot of playoff games and Super Bowls but wins because of the team and coaching.

    Brady doesn’t have Peyton in his way any longer.

    Brady has a cup cake division which has led to among the easiest schedules the last 5 yrs.

    I wouldn’t put Brady on my list. Cheaters don’t qualify.

    Bottom line is winning is a team stat and there are a lot of QB’s that would excel under

    Plus the Pats cheated twice which taints Brady and BB.

  25. Thetruthspeaks says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:23 pm
    When has Brady had to carry the Patriots and won a SB?

    He’s always had top 10 defenses, special teams and the best coach and system.

    Brady’s best years statistically were from 2007 to 2013 yet he won no Super Bowls.

    Brady failed twice against the Giants.

    Brady was bailed out against the Seahawks and Falcons.

    Brady lost to the Eagles despite a great performance.

    Matt Ryan out played Brady but lost.

    Brady was horrible against the Rams and Chiefs.

    Brady has terrible stats in a lot of playoff games and Super Bowls but wins because of the team and coaching.

    Brady doesn’t have Peyton in his way any longer.

    Brady has a cup cake division which has led to among the easiest schedules the last 5 yrs.

    I wouldn’t put Brady on my list. Cheaters don’t qualify.

    Bottom line is winning is a team stat and there are a lot of QB’s that would excel under

    Plus the Pats cheated twice which taints Brady and BB.

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    #listofexcuses

  26. truths4all says:
    June 20, 2019 at 11:38 am

    Rodgers, Luck and Big Ben have not had any great seasons in years.
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    Andrew Luck had a pretty darn good season last year. 10-6 record, 4,600 yards, 39 TDs, 98.7 rating. Best year of his career with the possible exception of 2014.

    Roethlisberger also had his best season since 2014. 5,129 yards is pretty good.

    I agree that Rodgers is a shell of his former shelf. Big dropoff the last couple of years.

  27. as0023 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:21 pm
    Patriots defense doesn’t get mentioned enough when discussing their Super Bowl wins. Brady has had a top 10 defense 14 times. Peyton 5 times…Brees 2 times and Rodgers once. Only reason Brady has all those rings is because he has more top 10 defenses than all the other great QBs combined.

    How come we NEVER see these EXCUSES for Montana?

    In 4 SB wins Montana’s D was TOP 5 For each one.

    Why? Because it’s more JEALOUS excuse making when it comes to Brady.

  28. If Dee Ford isn’t offsides the narrative would be Brady’s done. Go back to the Pittsburgh game – lost the game on a forced Int.
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    If the Pats defense doesn’t give up 31 points in the second half the game wouldn’t have been close.

  29. And that makes Brady the most accomplished QB of all time but doesn’t mean he’s better than all the rest. Other QBs with great stats would also win several Super Bowls with the Patriots and have similar overall accomplishments as Brady.

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    blessedunliketherest says:

    OK, how about judging a QB by SB wins and individual QB stats? Because Brady has both. His stats put him among the best ever, he has the MVPs, and also the SB wins/MVPs. He’s the only one that has it all in abundance. That is why he is the undisputed GOAT.

  30. kingbags says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:19 pm
    If Dee Ford isn’t offsides the narrative would be Brady’s done. Go back to the Pittsburgh game – lost the game on a forced Int

    And IF the chiefs would have stopped Brady THREE different times on third and 10 or more in OT the would have won

    MORE excuses…

  31. I agree that Rodgers is a shell of his former shelf. Big dropoff the last couple of years.
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    4400 yards, only 2 INTs, and a 97 rating last year.

    Down year with only 25 tds.. but a ‘shell of himself’?? C’mon.

  32. If Brady is 1-3 in the AFCC games against the biggest “choke artist”, Peyton then what does that say about Brady? AFCC games are the biggest games the two QBs faced each other in and Brady has a losing record in them.

  33. somefans says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:13 pm
    Why should a “system QB” with a noodle arm rank higher than #9? Sounds about right

    So when Brady laid out a perfect pass to Gronkowski for 30 yards To set up the Sb only TD, he did that because of the “system “?

    More Brady derangement syndrome

  34. Brady is the GOAT but lets be serious.

    New WR core. The go to WR is Edelman and he is 33 and has foot issues. New TE core. Brady himself is about to be 42. This isn’t an insult to put him at the bottom of the top 3rd. All things considered, I’d call it a smashing success.

  35. And that makes Brady the most accomplished QB of all time but doesn’t mean he’s better than all the rest. Other QBs with great stats would also win several Super Bowls with the Patriots and have similar overall accomplishments as Brady.
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    When you have to deal in hypotheticals the argument is over. Just as easily said, if Brady replaced these other great QBs those teams would have had more SB wins.

  36. Whenever Montana is discussed in the GOAT conversation it’s always mentioned that the 49ers were loaded with all stars including Jerry Rice. The arguments in Montana’s favor is that he played against all time great teams (Bears, Giants, Redskins) and played in a tougher era. He was past his prime by 31 with 4 SB wins while Brady gets to play until 42 and win 6.

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    Flash1287 says:

    How come we NEVER see these EXCUSES for Montana?

    In 4 SB wins Montana’s D was TOP 5 For each one.

  37. It’s called critical thinking and it’s the only way to compare players in team sports. Otherwise Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett and Trent Dilfer are better than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon.

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    blessedunliketherest says:

    When you have to deal in hypotheticals the argument is over. Just as easily said, if Brady replaced these other great QBs those teams would have had more SB wins.

  38. It’s called critical thinking and it’s the only way to compare players in team sports. Otherwise Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett and Trent Dilfer are better than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon.
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    Wrong, its called hypothetical. There is nothing to suggest any QB would have the same or better level of success then Brady if they were on the pats. In fact, BB’s record without Brady is 18-19.

    Plus, all you are doing is proving my point. No one really believes TB, JP, or TD are better than DM, JK, or DF. The first three just have the SB wins and the second three have the gaudy stats. Brady has BOTH. He is the only one with both on a level above everyone else.

  39. las0023 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:02 pm
    Whenever Montana is discussed in the GOAT conversation it’s always mentioned that the 49ers were loaded with all stars including Jerry Rice. The arguments in Montana’s favor is that he played against all time great teams (Bears, Giants, Redskins) and played in a tougher era. He was past his prime by 31 with 4 SB wins while Brady gets to play until 42 and win 6.

    Sorry no one EVER said Montana was the GOAT because of his team.
    It was because he won 4 and until Brady that was more than anyone

    Look we can do this all day and people are entitled to there opinion
    But if you are of the opinion that Brady is NOT the GOAT you are so far in the minority it’s ridiculous.

    And you know it !

  40. las0023 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:02 pm
    Whenever Montana is discussed in the GOAT conversation it’s always mentioned that the 49ers were loaded with all stars including Jerry Rice. The arguments in Montana’s favor is that he played against all time great teams (Bears, Giants, Redskins) and played in a tougher era. He was past his prime by 31 with 4 SB wins while Brady gets to play until 42 and win 6.

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    Flash1287 says:

    How come we NEVER see these EXCUSES for Montana?

    In 4 SB wins Montana’s D was TOP 5 For each one.

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    Yeah and how come nobody calls out Joe for flaming out before even making to the SB in all his other years? Joe only won 4 Conference Championships…..Brady has won 9.

  41. las0023 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:36 pm
    And that makes Brady the most accomplished QB of all time but doesn’t mean he’s better than all the rest. Other QBs with great stats would also win several Super Bowls with the Patriots and have similar overall accomplishments as Brady.

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    There’s no way to know that. What we do know is that Brady is the only player ever with 6 Super Bowls at any position in the history of the game with 20,000+ players having played. If you want to believe that was all due to luck and circumstance be my guest, but I choose to believe that he is the best ever.

  42. Hypothetical reasoning is part of critical thinking. Judging the GOAT is subjective and shouldn’t be judged without critical thinking. He has the most accomplishments but is also the only QB to have 17 years with a great coach and 14 years with a top defense. And Brady doesn’t have better stats than the rest. They aren’t better than Marino, Peyton, Rodgers or Starr which is why we have to consider the…hypothetical…

    blessedunliketherest says:

    Wrong, its called hypothetical. There is nothing to suggest any QB would have the same or better level of success then Brady if they were on the pats. In fact, BB’s record without Brady is 18-19.

    Plus, all you are doing is proving my point. No one really believes TB, JP, or TD are better than DM, JK, or DF. The first three just have the SB wins and the second three have the gaudy stats. Brady has BOTH. He is the only one with both on a level above everyone else.

  43. I dont understand the love for ARod. One year and one ring wrapped around injury riddled season and mediocrity. He doesn’t throw picks (McNabb didn’t either) but he doesn’t win games either…
    12 should be #1 no matter what

  44. blessedunliketherest says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:25 pm
    It’s called critical thinking and it’s the only way to compare players in team sports. Otherwise Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett and Trent Dilfer are better than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon.
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    Wrong, its called hypothetical. There is nothing to suggest any QB would have the same or better level of success then Brady if they were on the pats. In fact, BB’s record without Brady is 18-19.

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    BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day.

  45. Yeah and how come nobody calls out Joe for flaming out before even making to the SB in all his other years? Joe only won 4 Conference Championships…..Brady has won 9.
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    Montana ousted a dynasty (Landrys Cowboys) ran up against a 3x Super Bowl winner, 4x SB rep (Gibbs Skins) a team that almost ended his career on 2 separate occasions (Parcells Giants, 2 Rings of their own) and arguably the best team of All-time (’85 Bears)

    4 > 9

  46. Tougher conference. Montana had to play against all time great teams just to get to the Super Bowl. Also, Brady played for a great franchise until 42…Montana only until 31.

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    SWFLPC.INC says:

    Yeah and how come nobody calls out Joe for flaming out before even making to the SB in all his other years? Joe only won 4 Conference Championships…..Brady has won 9.

  47. Throw the stats out the window. Stats don’t win the game in regulation as 14 pt underdogs against the Rams. When Coach Madden was calling for him to take a knee. Stats don’t hold off Carolina and Philadelphia. Stats don’t come back from a big deficit vs the Seahawks and win the game. Stats don’t come back from 28-3. Or score a TD in a defensive nailbiter vs the Rams. Or pass for 500 yrds in a loss. Or leave the field with the lead both times against the Giants. Stunning that people still don’t get the greatness of TBrady.

  48. Flash1287 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:31 pm
    las0023 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:02 pm
    Whenever Montana is discussed in the GOAT conversation it’s always mentioned that the 49ers were loaded with all stars including Jerry Rice. The arguments in Montana’s favor is that he played against all time great teams (Bears, Giants, Redskins) and played in a tougher era. He was past his prime by 31 with 4 SB wins while Brady gets to play until 42 and win 6.

    Sorry no one EVER said Montana was the GOAT because of his team.
    It was because he won 4 and until Brady that was more than anyone

    Look we can do this all day and people are entitled to there opinion
    But if you are of the opinion that Brady is NOT the GOAT you are so far in the minority it’s ridiculous.

    And you know it !

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    I believe Montana was great and his performance in Super Bowl games is unparalleled. However, he also played at a time when the NFC was the dominant conference by a large margin. The NFC won 15 out of 16 Super Bowls from the 1981 season to the 1996 season. Montana’s true competition was in the NFC, which is why out of the 13 years he played in SF he only won 4 NFC Championships. It was hard. Once he got to the Super Bowl, he was likely to win.

    The “4-0 in Super Bowl” thing is true, and you can’t take that away from him, but I think you have to look at over all playoff performances.

    At this point Brady has been in 22 championship games and Montana was in 11. It’s a big difference and it slants it to Brady regardless of Montana’s stellar Super Bowl record.

  49. BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day

    And he also went 5-13 with Bledsoe. Full season and 2 games into the next
    Then Brady was out in and they went 11-3 and win the SB

    Again for his career BB is BELOW 500 as a head coach
    With Brady he’s the best.

    Sorry fake user name guy (loser) but you have to look at everything not just pick and choose what you want to try and make your lame argument

  50. And Brady doesn’t have better stats than the rest. They aren’t better than Marino, Peyton, Rodgers or Starr which is why we have to consider the…hypothetical…
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    Not sure what you are looking at. For the regular season, Manning has a higher completion % and TD %; Brady has a better QB rating and INT %. Factor in the playoffs and Brady takes the lead in all QB statistical categories against Manning.

    Brady beats both Marino and Starr in all the above categories, so not sure what you are talking about.

  51. Chris Sims unbutton that top button, the lack of hemoglobin & O is impairing your judgement. Is the motivation here to create a click-bait list to promote that hack of a podcast? Looking to the future you really put an injury prone QB who was out of football for a year and a half (Luck)ahead of iron men like Breeze & Brady? Or a QB leader who dumps on his best players in the media & is good for at least one late 4th Q pick during the most crucial time of the year. Unbutton, take a deep breath & revise – unless click-bait is your true evaluator.

  52. No one’s questioning Brady’s greatness…we all know he’s at least one of the GOATs. Many of us don’t think any one player is deserving on that title with the different teams and eras they all played in. And while Brady is the most accomplished QB in history, let’s not go overboard about his Super Bowl play. Both games against the Rams were defensive victories. Brady got a few points at the end which were only decisive because the defense held 2 of the greatest offenses in history to 20 points over 2 games. Both Super Bowls against the Giants the Patriots offense – including Brady – under performed. 14 points with the highest scoring team in history is pathetic. He played well against the Eagles and Panthers but his comebacks against the Falcons and Seahawks are overrated. Those teams did more to defeat themselves than the Patriots did to win. And if Brady didn’t play so poorly in the first 3 quarters he wouldn’t have had to play so well in the 4th.

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    tedmurph says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:53 pm
    Throw the stats out the window. Stats don’t win the game in regulation as 14 pt underdogs against the Rams. When Coach Madden was calling for him to take a knee. Stats don’t hold off Carolina and Philadelphia. Stats don’t come back from a big deficit vs the Seahawks and win the game. Stats don’t come back from 28-3. Or score a TD in a defensive nailbiter vs the Rams. Or pass for 500 yrds in a loss. Or leave the field with the lead both times against the Giants. Stunning that people still don’t get the greatness of TBrady.

  53. Again, you have to account for the era. Marino throwing 48 TDs in 1984 is more impressive than Brady throwing 50 in 2007.

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    blessedunliketherest says:
    June 20, 2019 at 2:11 pm

    Brady beats both Marino and Starr in all the above categories, so not sure what you are talking about.

  54. Flash1287 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:59 pm
    BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day

    And he also went 5-13 with Bledsoe.

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    So all starting QBs for Belichick at New England don’t have losing records except Bledsoe? Perhaps the issue was Bledsoe as he didn’t fit BB’s system. He just liked to improvise too much and not do what the coaches told him. It was the exact reason Bill Parcell gave after benching Bledsoe for Tony Romo in Dallas.

  55. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:48 pm
    blessedunliketherest says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:25 pm
    It’s called critical thinking and it’s the only way to compare players in team sports. Otherwise Terry Bradshaw, Jim Plunkett and Trent Dilfer are better than Dan Marino, Jim Kelly, Dan Fouts and Warren Moon.
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    Wrong, its called hypothetical. There is nothing to suggest any QB would have the same or better level of success then Brady if they were on the pats. In fact, BB’s record without Brady is 18-19.

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    BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day.

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    11-5 with Cassel and missing the playoffs was really bad. That team went 16-0 with Brady the year prior. 5 wins difference is like the difference between 11-5 and 6-10. It’s night and day. I will say Jimmy did very well, but I still think he’s a great QB if he can stay on the field, which he has yet to prove. Jacoby was shut out by the Bills, so I’m not buying him.

  56. las0023 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 3:36 pm
    Again, you have to account for the era. Marino throwing 48 TDs in 1984 is more impressive than Brady throwing 50 in 2007.

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    Marino was amazing, and that year was amazing. Definitely can argue that was the most impressive year by a QB ever. I think Marino’s problem was he had to be “the guy” most of his career. Too pass happy. Peyton was like that until he was humbled by the Patriots a few times, and then he was more dedicated to playing as a team. And that’s how he won in 2006.

  57. Actually, I saw red when Eli Manning was obscenely ranked 34th and Jared Goff was ridiculously ranked 19th. Throw in wherever Kirk Cousins was skewed down to and I’m guessing that Chris Simms got a nice raise.

  58. Flash1287 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:53 pm
    somefans says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:13 pm
    Why should a “system QB” with a noodle arm rank higher than #9? Sounds about right

    So when Brady laid out a perfect pass to Gronkowski for 30 yards To set up the Sb only TD, he did that because of the “system “?

    More Brady derangement syndrome

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    I also heard the “System” dictates to leave it to 3rd and 9 and 3rd and 10 in OT and then it’s easier to complete passes.

  59. Comebacks against the Falcons and Seahawks( down 10 in the 4th against one of the greatest defenses of all time) were overrated??? This must be silly season.

  60. There are more physically gifted QB’s than Brady, but being physically gifted is just ONE part of being a QB. TB is the best QB because he’s physically gifted, SUPER intelligent, has had the BEST coaching, has the right attitude (Rodgers), the right demeanor, all the intangibles you need etc etc etc. When you put it ALL together, TB is #1

    Mahomes is awesome, but he’s got nowhere to go but down. Part of the reason he was so successful was he was new. There is little tape on him as a pro. As he continues to play, opposing coaches will have more to look at. They’ll figure out his strengths/weaknesses and how to best defend him. Once he is figured out, the game will get a lot tougher for him. THis isn’t to say he won’t go on to win multiple SB’s before he hangs up his cleats, but he could be taken down a couple notches next year.

    I wonder how well he’ll do when his team gets picked clean year after year, like what happens to the Pats. The best guys leave for more money, the coordinators leave for HC jobs, etc. Year after year you have to rebuild and try to stay on top. The book on Mahomes is yet to be written. The first chapter was outstanding. We’ll see how it goes from here.

    Can Mahomes make the AFCCG with a guy like Reche Caldwell? Can he take a bunch of JAGs and win 12+ games a year, year after year? We’ll see.

  61. Brady is also a team player, a winner and a LEADER. Unlike guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, etc. The Manning bros had a little of that too.

  62. Pro Football Focus
    2018 # 1 NFL qb Drew Brees
    94 score
    Football Outsiders
    2018 passing plus minis:
    #1
    Drew Brees
    Both light years ahead of Simms!!!

  63. tedmurph says:
    June 20, 2019 at 4:37 pm
    Comebacks against the Falcons and Seahawks( down 10 in the 4th against one of the greatest defenses of all time) were overrated??? This must be silly season.

    It’s not silly season
    It’s getting closer to the start of the football season so like clockwork all the CRYBABIES with Brady / Patriots derangement syndrome are coming back out of the woodwork. Just like every season and tell us how it’s all luck or BB magical “system” (even though BB has never had ANYTHING to do with the offense).

    Jealous excuse makers

    I would have more respect if they just came out and said the truth
    They are just tired of seeing them win.

  64. I was watching clips from 2018 last night, and Brady was zipping the ball down field as well as he always has. As a matter of fact, Gordon was averaging almost 20 yds per catch before he got suspended, and most of his catches didn’t have a lot of YAC. So much for the 2yd Tom theory. The end will come eventually, but are any of the guys remaining REALLY better than Brady? Is Simms rating physical talent versus QB play? If I need a QB and I want my team to function at the highest level, I’m giving the ball to Brady.

  65. Look at Chris Simms list from last year and it ended up being a dumpster fire. He has no reason other than his dad for being a commentator and is just trying to get his name out there by being controversial.

  66. Simms and company have been lowballing Brady’s (and Brees) skills for years. I mean someday it has to be true right? The age cliff and all that.

    Wrong. in the modern NFL with a good O-Line these older guys can last a ton longer than ever before. I’m willing to bet that Brady finishes up at 45 not much worse than he was the past 2 years. Same with Brees.

  67. This sort of offseason nonsense is usually followed by a Patriot Lombardi. #7, coming up!!!

  68. I don’t get why people are so high on Rodgers. All he has to do to get into the GOAT conversation is complete a pass. Brady had to stage a 25 point comeback in a Super Bowl, a 10 point 4th quarter comeback in another Super Bowl (two largest in Super Bowl history) and stage game-winning drives in two more Super Bowls.

  69. The Seahawks defense was a shell of itself. Every team deals with injuries by the time the playoffs come around but nothing compares to the Seahawks in the Super Bowl. Sherman had a torn elbow, Chancellor a torn MCL and Thomas a separated shoulder. Bad enough that the pass coverage was weak but then when Cliff Avril was out for the 4th quarter they had no pass rush either. Brady could just stand in the pocket and pick them apart.

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    tedmurph says:
    June 20, 2019 at 4:37 pm
    Comebacks against the Falcons and Seahawks( down 10 in the 4th against one of the greatest defenses of all time) were overrated??? This must be silly season.

  70. So many people have always ranked Joe Montana low saying he only won because of the “West Coast” offense. Anywhere else he would not have won much. Apparently you can’t judge a great QB as great because he has a great coach with a good system.

  71. Brady averaged 318 yards passing per game in the playoffs on his way to his 6th ring, while averaging over 30 points a game. Those are top end numbers compared to the season leaders, but against the best teams. The Pats had 9 rushing TDs in those playoffs. Brady was the one moving the ball, they just ran it in.

    Anybody in their right mind would be happy to have that QB work, and the clutch factor remains off the charts.

  72. I would never be insane to put Brady at 10, or 9 or wherever Simms is putting him. I wouldn’t put Brees there, either. Brady an Brees do show some signs of age, let’s be serious, but their effectiveness doesn’t come from their physical talents so much as it does from their mental focus and abilities. Brady threw for under 30 TDs and his deep ball is not what it used to be, and Brees doesn’t have the deep touch nor the gaudy per game as we’re used to seeing from him. That’s all true. But, again, that’s not what makes them good. Nobody says that they’re scared to face Brady because he’s got the biggest cannon in the league, or that they’re afraid that Brees will throw through three defenders with a laser. They’re afraid because Brady and Brees will outsmart you, outscheme you, and outprepare you before the first snap. They’ve proven that good brains and good preparation will beat a big arm or quick legs every time. That’s why they’re still playing today. And it’s why they cannot be that low on anyone’s list, no matter how much physical slippage they may have sustained the last couple of seasons.

  73. tedmurph says:
    June 20, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    Brady is also a team player, a winner and a LEADER. Unlike guys like Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Flacco, etc. The Manning bros had a little of that too….

    Flacco is not a future HOF player, but as far as I can tell he has always been at least a team player. It was probably difficult for Flacco to be much of a team leader while he was on a Ravens team that for years had one of the all-time great defensive players in Ed Reed, along with a very good, albeit overrated, verbose, and questionable character team leader in Ray Lewis.

  74. Top 10 defenses? What’s Bradys record against top rated defenses again? If the criteria to win superbowls is having a top ten defense then Rex Ryan led teams are swimming in Lombardi filled pools. I guess the Texans will get one soon. According to haters logic.

  75. Haters say
    Yay we won the off-season
    Yay the experts say the Patriots are slipping
    Yay our QB is ranked higher
    Yay the Patriots have turmoil

    Then they ask Patriots fans, What do you think about that?

    I say hush boy… Watching the Patriots in the Superbowl.

  76. Name me one QB who is better at giving “a keep your head up” speach than Brady? He has given it to everyone on that list and he gave them his jersey too, cuts into his royalties because they did not buy it but it’s the least he could do. He is still number one in royalties even after giving away hundreds of jerseys.

  77. Wrong – Super Bowl winners almost always have top 10 defenses. Brady, Peyton, Rodgers, Brees, Montana, Bradshaw and Favre have never won a Super Bowl without a top 10 defense.

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    mikespillane337 says:
    June 21, 2019 at 7:27 am
    Top 10 defenses? What’s Bradys record against top rated defenses again? If the criteria to win superbowls is having a top ten defense then Rex Ryan led teams are swimming in Lombardi filled pools. I guess the Texans will get one soon. According to haters logic.

  78. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day.

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    BB with Cassel went 11-5 with essentially the same team which went 18-1 the previous year and broke all sorts of records on offense.

    BB with JG/Brisset went 3-1. When Brady returned from suspension, Pats went 11-1, increased scoring by 10 ppg and almost doubled the scoring differential.

  79. The Patriots were the #21 defense just last year when they won the Super Bowl. This “Brady always has a top defense” nonsense is nonsense.

  80. Brady is not the greatest QB of all time. First there is no such thing. Second defenses have been castrated. Third, I do not believe without Bill he would be anything but good. BB has proven he can insert just about anyone into that team and win. He plays in a perennial weak division, which others do not, and the team – not Brady, the team – has had a top 10 defense 13 out of 15 years (2018 not included). THOSE are what make for 6 rings. Not Tom Brady. Why do you think other Pats QBs thrive but suck everywhere else?

  81. Patriots were 6th in points allowed and had one of the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history.

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    TheDPR says:
    June 21, 2019 at 10:11 am
    The Patriots were the #21 defense just last year when they won the Super Bowl. This “Brady always has a top defense” nonsense is nonsense.

  82. aarons444 says:
    June 20, 2019 at 12:50 pm

    I agree that Rodgers is a shell of his former shelf. Big dropoff the last couple of years.
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    4400 yards, only 2 INTs, and a 97 rating last year.

    Down year with only 25 tds.. but a ‘shell of himself’?? C’mon.
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    As you well know, Rodgers used to carry that team to the playoffs on his back every year. He made amazing plays on a regular basis. The last two years, his record is 10-12-1 and the amazing plays are few and far between. Those two interceptions last year look great on paper but watching him you could see that he was unwilling to take risks like he used to, probably because he doesn’t trust his receivers.

    Rodgers’ career passer rating through 2014 was 106.0. In the “glory years” from 2009-2014 it was 109.0. Since then, his cumulative passer rating is 98.2 and he’s never had a single-season passer rating that was as high as his career rating.

    If you’re only looking at stats, you’d have to admit that Kirk Cousins was better than Rodgers last year.

  83. Stiller43 says:

    June 20, 2019 at 11:16 am

    He’s still a great QB, but the system in NE and his ability to execute it is the reason for his success at this point, not physical talent. SO many of his throws are short dink and dunk/rub route throws that allows for his players to get YAC.

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    Uh, he led the Pats to a Super Bowl while his WR1 from the year before was traded, his current WR1 missed 4 games, his most physically talented WR was suspended for the last handful of games and his biggest weapon in Gronk had a decidedly down season. Yet he still won the Super Bowl, getting there by winning a shootout vs Mahomes. And the year before, where he won MVP, he was 5th in the NFL in YPA. Some YAC system.

  84. las0023 says:

    June 21, 2019 at 11:33 am

    Patriots were 6th in points allowed and had one of the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history.

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    Points allowed is far from the best measure of a defense. Pats defense in ’17 was “top 5” but was objectively bad by any other stat.

  85. objectivefbfan says:

    June 21, 2019 at 10:18 am

    Brady is not the greatest QB of all time. First there is no such thing. Second defenses have been castrated. Third, I do not believe without Bill he would be anything but good. BB has proven he can insert just about anyone into that team and win.

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    If Belichick thought he could get the same QB leadership and production out of a cheaper QB, Brady would have been traded for cap space and picks loooooong ago, like so many other veterans who got expensive.

  86. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:48 pm

    BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day.

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    Belichick is 18-19 as Pats coach without Brady starting. And 33 of those 37 games were started by a QB who went to at least one Pro Bowl.

  87. Brady is not the greatest QB of all time. First there is no such thing. Second defenses have been castrated. Third, I do not believe without Bill he would be anything but good. BB has proven he can insert just about anyone into that team and win.
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    Could be the most ignorant post on here.

  88. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:

    So all starting QBs for Belichick at New England don’t have losing records except Bledsoe? Perhaps the issue was Bledsoe as he didn’t fit BB’s system. He just liked to improvise too much and not do what the coaches told him.

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    Yea that wily, rascally, slippery Bledsoe, always scrambling around and making up plays as he went along.. I’ve seen step ladders with more mobility. And Belichick disliked Bledsoe so much that he signed him to the richest contract in NFL history after his first year as head coach. And later on Bledsoe’s former coach disliked him so much he later signed him to a multi year deal. What a bizzare take.

  89. BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day.

    And Matt Cassel went 10–6 in 09 and 10-6 in 10. WITHOUT BB

    Oh no, there goes that stupid argument

  90. (fake)patsfan4lifesbchamps say, 6-20-2019, 1:48pm:
    “BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day.”

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    Steve Young won a Super Bowl after Montana and without Bill Walsh so should we start discrediting Montana and Walsh now?

    Oh, did you see the week four game during Brady’s suspension against Buffalo? The score: 0-16, the first time a Belichick team scored zero points. You know, because their regular quarterback was not there?

  91. Didn’t we ALL expect this from Chris Simms? I’m surprised TB12 even made his top 10.

  92. directdriver says:
    June 21, 2019 at 3:23 pm

    Oh, did you see the week four game during Brady’s suspension against Buffalo? The score: 0-16, the first time a Belichick team scored zero points. You know, because their regular quarterback was not there?

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    To be fair, Garoppolo was out with an injury and Brissett played the entire game with a broken finger.

  93. I wonder how it feels to be a hater and see the Patriots attempt to go for four superbowls in a row. I can only imagine the pain… Please tell me that it hurts, how it hurts and what you try to do to ease your pain. If I laugh it’s because I mean to.

  94. iceman9999 says:June 21, 2019 at 5:39pm
    “To be fair, Garoppolo was out with an injury and Brissett played the entire game with a broken finger.”

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    That proves any system, not matter how great, still needs the right player to execute the game plan, not anybody can just plug and play like a robot! Brady is not only the best player to execute the plans, he IS the system!

  95. directdriver says:he IS the system!
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    So were Barry Bonds and Lance Armstrong. So your point is?

  96. Flash1287 says:
    June 21, 2019 at 1:35 pm
    BB also went 11-5 with Matt Cassel, 3-1 with Jimmy G and Jacoby Brissette. Brady on the other has 0 NFL wins without Belichick. I’ll take BB’s record over Brady’s any day.
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    Oops – As a head coach, Belichick had a losing record with the Browns and was fired for that. His only success as a head coach has been with Brady. He will retire with Brady to preclude being exposed as the coach he was without Brady…..a losing record.

  97. 1phillyphan says:
    June 20, 2019 at 1:48 pm
    I dont understand the love for ARod. One year and one ring wrapped around injury riddled season and mediocrity. He doesn’t throw picks (McNabb didn’t either) but he doesn’t win games either…
    12 should be #1 no matter what
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    I mean, Mcnabb didn’t have the highest passer rating in history and neither does Brady.

  98. Peyton Manning would have won more super bowls than Brady if he had played in NE. NE is good because of the system Coach B put in. Manning > Brady in that system, easily.
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    “if…”
    Michael Jordan still would’ve won 6 rings if drafted by the Utah Jazz.
    And Joe Montana still would’ve won 4 Super Bowls if he’d been drafted by the Detroit Lions.
    Man, this is fun!
    Pointless as all get out…but fun!

  99. As a head coach, Belichick had a losing record with the Browns and was fired for that. His only success as a head coach has been with Brady.

  100. As a head coach, Belichick had a losing record with the Browns and was fired for that. His only success as a head coach has been with Brady.
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    Browns playoff wins under Belichick – 1

    Browns playoff wins since firing Belichick – 0

  101. So, we have Patrick Mahomes, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Ben Roethlisberger, Andrew Luck, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton, and Mitchell Trubisky that have not been named. The funny thing is all these eight together have only about half the number of rings that Brady has. Same goes for Playoff wins where clutch-QB-play matters the most. Well, it’s just an opinion of Chris Simms and everyone is entitle to theirs.

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