Not everyone ranks Tom Brady at No. 9

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Chris Simms made plenty of waves, without trying to do so, by placing Patriots quarterback Tom Brady at No. 9 on Simms’ 2019 top 40 quarterback countdown. Not everyone affiliated with this operation would rank Brady so low.

During Friday’s PFT Live, Charean Williams, pinch-hitting on Friday for Big Cat (who got the day off after the Thursday arrival of Lil Cat), and I spent some time hashing out the placement of the greatest quarterback of all time on our own top 10 list of quarterbacks.

I’d put Brady behind only Chiefs quarterback Patrick Mahomes, Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers, and Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson. Charean would put Brady behind only Mahomes and Rodgers. Either way, we both agreed that Brady should be higher on the list than other to-be-unveiled Simms finalists, such as Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger, Colts quarterback Andrew Luck, Texans quarterback Deshaun Watson, Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan, and Panthers quarterback Cam Newton.

That said, Charean and I agreed with Simms’ placement of Saints quarterback Drew Brees at No. 10. Indeed, Charean suggested dropping Brees to No. 11, behind Eagles quarterback Carson Wentz.

But Brees at No. 10 was far less controversial than Brady at No. 9. Even though Simms definitely didn’t put Brady at No. 9 for attention. Despite accusations from folks like Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner that Simms did it only for clicks, I can vouch for the fact that Simms did not.

When it comes to Simms, I can’t vouch for much else than that. But I can confidently say that he truly believes what he says, and that he doesn’t come up with troll takes or other outlandish statements in order to get more people talking about the things he says.

105 responses to “Not everyone ranks Tom Brady at No. 9

  1. Tb12 can’t prove anymore he is number #1!!! If you gotta win the big one and you pick anyone else you are a fool!!!!

  2. Simms was absolutely trying “to do so.” He consistently undervalues Brady, bets against him, and generally discounts his accomplishments every chance he can. Not sure why he’s chosen this axe to grind, but it’s true…

  3. I used to argue that Rodgers was better than Brady because the talent around Rodgers was so poor and Rodgers’ greatness was the only thing that could cover the other deficiencies on the team. Those days are over. Rodgers is 10-12-1 the last two years and isn’t putting up the numbers or making the plays he used to. Meanwhile, Brady is still winning Super Bowls even at his advanced age. Anyone ranking Rodgers over Brady at this point is just nostalgic for the old days.

  4. Simms was always anti Brady so no surprise here. For the love of god if you want Brady to stop winning stop trying to devalue him and light a fire under him.

  5. Rodgers is one of those guys who never does anything but less with more, shown in 2013 when he never won a game trailing by more than one score while Matt Flynn led comebacks down twobro three scores three times. Rodgers’ inability to lead comebacks has been universally known since the end of 2011 and it has only gotten worse.

    Brady in contrast keeps taking his ever-changing rosters and make by them play better. No one else has done this. Mahomes has to now prove he can win with significant changes to the roster.

  6. I can tolerate (but disagree with) putting Tom Brady behind Aaron Rodgers, but Mahomes? Are you kidding me?

    At least Rodgers has been playing at a high level in the league for many seasons. Mahomes had ONE good season with an all-star offensive cast around him, and still failed to beat the top three or four contenders for the Super Bowl last year.

    For crying out loud, let’s see what the kid can do over the next two or three years before we anoint him as the second coming of Brady. The hype around the kid is becoming quite nauseating.

  7. To me, Simms under valuing Brady reminds me of how ‘cool’ people rate music. They want to come off like they know more than everyone else – so instead of admitting that the band with all the number one hits is the best, they want to tell you that this new up and coming Group is better.

    It’s as if they are saying, ‘I know more about musical talent than you.’

  8. Tom Brady has six Super Bowl rings and 4 Super Bowl MVP awards. Russell Wilson threw an interception on the 1 yard line in one Super Bowl, and he has zero SB MVP award. Seattle ranked 25th in passing yards per game in 2018. Numbers do not lie.

  9. Always holding on to Rodgers, he is done. Mediocre at best. He had his time. Brady is well ahead of him.

  10. New England ranked 9th in passing yards in 2018. My prediction is that New England will again be in the top 10 in passing yards in 2019, and Seattle may average fewer yards per game than they did in 2018 because their number 1 receiver, Doug Baldwin, has retired. Baldwin is the quick one who can get open quickly for a pass reception before Wilson is swarmed by pass rushers.

  11. I totally agree with Chris in his Assessment of TB. Chris knows what he is talking about and I for one appreciate the way he has dissected the QB position. I also like the way he talks about the way to grip a football and other tidbits he gives. Keep up the good work Chris. No I am not Chris’s mother, I am a LA Ram fan from Washington.

  12. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone is entitled to disagree with one’s opinion.

    But in my opinion I have never seen any quarterback go cyborg in so many 4th quarter / overtime drives. The accuracy, touch and laser focus he has under pressure is just not human. And Brady proved that once again last season and will likely prove it again this year.

  13. You Patriot fans want to win anothe SB this year? Send this story to TB12. He seems to thrive on stuff like this.

  14. So Florio basically vouches for the fact that Simms is unqualified to be a football analyst. He’s better off claiming that Simms did it for clicks than to stand behind a guy “genuinely” believing Brady is less a QB than some of those yet to be named.

  15. Simms ranks QB’s like he plays QB not well. Time to unbutton the top button and let a little more blood flow to the brain.

  16. Simms and Golic Jr. would be selling phones at Verizon if they didn’t have famous fathers! They could be two of the worst talking heads in sports. A pair of bloviators.

  17. Oof. This sounds like college-football-ranking voodoo. Brady’s won 6 rings and the most recent one, out-clutching some of these guys ranked ahead of him along the way, and having out-clutched more of them in prior meetings.

    What other guys do when the stakes are low – the numbers and eye candy these analysts seems to be dazzled by – isn’t what counts.

    And Brees behind Wentz? Good grief…

  18. All the hearts Brady has ripped out can feed nations. He has ended world hunger by that alone, but has contributed to the obesity rate by adding all that crow.

  19. Who cares where he’s ranked year by year anymore. The guy is best overall at his position ever. He’ll play until he doesn’t want to. Frankly all QBs should be ranked without Brady. Not because Brady is better or worse but because the guy is a legend.

  20. Two big points overlooked when ranking:
    1) As a Pats fan I’d be the first to agree there are a few QBs who may make more impressive throws (Mahomes & Wilson on the run, Aaron going deep), but there’s a lot more to being a QB than simply throwing the damn ball – And what Brady brings is brains and leadership, and getting it done under pressure.
    2) Unlike other top QBs and the offenses built around them, Brady doesn’t care whether he throws it all day or hands off all day. Whatever’s in that day’s plan. That means for example that he won’t always have the most yards or TDs every year, but will have more silverware. That said, he threw more yards than Brees or Rivers in 2018, and was just shy of Rodgers. And Brady, not Brees or Peyton, has most career yards all-time if you include postseason.

  21. “We’re still here” is engraved on this year’s superbowl ring… I wonder what’s going on the next one. Meanwhile, “here lies” ____(fill in the blank) is written on 6 tombstones of contestants. Next.

  22. Rodgers ahead of Brady? Since Rodgers lone Super Bowl appearance following the 2010 season, Brady has taken the Pats to five Super Bowls, winning three. Rodgers meanwhile has faded with his team, posting a sub .500 record over the past two seasons. Not saying he’s finished, but he is not driving force leader Brady is.

  23. They are going to have to come up with a new word… Dynasty just will not do anymore. Life is good. Sorry, haters, for the pain it must cause you. I’m here for you if you want to talk. I will laugh and enjoy your suffering.

  24. For crying out loud, let’s see what the kid can do over the next two or three years before we anoint him as the second coming of Brady. The hype around the kid is becoming quite nauseating.
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    Even to be on a team that wins six Super Bowls, why on earth would Patrick Mahomes want to play his entire career under a cloud, without an elite arm, and with none of the crazy creativity and spontaneity that his athleticism gives him?

  25. SWFLPC.INC says:
    June 21, 2019 at 6:01 pm
    Who cares…..when the time comes Brady will beat my team and yours and we will still hate the guy
    ++++++++++++++
    Unless you’re a Dolphin fan like you claim to be.

  26. Lol no one takes Chris Simms seriously. He is the kind of guy that predicts someone like Tom Savage is going to be a great QB for the texans.

    The only reason he has a job in the first place is that his father Phil pulled strings for him and is (admittedly) smart enough to have figured out if he expresses strong opinions about certain things he is going to get enough attention to get attention which help supports his income (sort of Like Lonzo Ball’s father).

  27. A lot of disrespect for a qb who played a honest game and a lot of love for a qb and his coach who has been involved in multiple cheating scandals.
    #facts

  28. I love how Pats fans say Brady is the greatest … then talk about how he needs Phil Simms to motivate him.

  29. Wreckdeutschland – Brady doesn’t play under a cloud, elite arms don’t win, and crazy creativity and spontaneity simply can’t win championships. Only disciplined command of the game does that.

  30. patsbrat: Exactly. That is what makes a quarterback great, not the ability to make trick throws and long Hail Marys. But some people just cannot seem to get that in their heads.

  31. Michael Daly says:
    June 21, 2019 at 5:24 pm
    Rodgers is one of those guys who never does anything but less with more, shown in 2013 when he never won a game trailing by more than one score while Matt Flynn led comebacks down twobro three scores three times. Rodgers’ inability to lead comebacks has been universally known since the end of 2011 and it has only gotten worse.
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    You know, since he’s usually ahead by the 4Q, or he has had quite a few games when he led a go-ahead scoring drive then the defense let the other team drive down the field for the win. But hey, who needs facts when you have a good insult?

  32. fwippel says:
    June 21, 2019 at 6:21 pm
    Rodgers ahead of Brady? Since Rodgers lone Super Bowl appearance following the 2010 season, Brady has taken the Pats to five Super Bowls, winning three. Rodgers meanwhile has faded with his team, posting a sub .500 record over the past two seasons. Not saying he’s finished, but he is not driving force leader Brady is.
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    Since 2010-

    Rodgers 2 MVPs
    Brady 1 MVP

  33. Tommy cement legs now has the ultimate defense to starting games out like a slug. Chuck up a sideline 40 yarder back shoulder for the P.I. Then throw one more…..walah, all the sudden he’s rolling.

  34. Why would anyone pay any attention to anything coming out of Chris Simms mouth? Brady is #1. He may not be the most physically gifted QB to ever lace em up, but he has ALL the intangibles. When you look at the complete picture, Brady is at the top.

  35. So, of the QB’s in the NFL in 2019, he’s got brady ranked 9th? I can’t imagine there’s 8 QB’s in the NFL right now you’d rank above Tom Brady….Brees, MAYBE, uhhhh…..Drawing a blank…Sorry Wentz and Mahomes have proven nothing yet, I can’t give it to them. Russell Wilson over Tom Brady? no….Ben, no….Rivers, Eli? no…Who am I forgetting? I’m just not coming up with 8 names I’d rank above Tom Brady right now, or ever…

  36. Wreckdeutschland – Brady doesn’t play under a cloud, elite arms don’t win, and crazy creativity and spontaneity simply can’t win championships. Only disciplined command of the game does that.
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    The New England Patriots have been heavily penalized twice for cheating – a dark cloud that will follow Tom Brady to Canton and beyond. The following ‘elite arms’ have won Super Bowls: Joe Namath, Terry Bradshaw, Doug Williams, Brett Favre, John Elway and Aaron Rodgers. Patrick Mahomes is 23 and realizes that he needs to work on taking what defenses give him – he’s way too young to expect ‘command’ from yet.

  37. Brees was challenging Mahomes for MVP 3/4 of the way through the season so that should have been more controversial than the Brady slot. Really though Simms seems like a good dude, and despite the fact that I think it’s asinine to put Luck or Newton ahead of Brady and Brees, the blowback for somebody’s personal opinion of standing was way over the top

  38. Everyone thinks they are being sheer genius ranking Brady low bc he can’t run or chuck it 80 yards. Being. A QB first and foremost is about decision making and completions in the clutch. How many times have we seen Brady put up pedestrian numbers in the first 3 quarters only to explode in the 4th? It’s about knowing your teammates strengths and weaknesses, about knowing those of your opponent, and about audibling the right adjustments.

  39. Despite accusations from folks like Hall of Fame quarterback Kurt Warner that Simms did it only for clicks, I can vouch for the fact that Simms did not.

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    No you can’t Florio. You can relay what Simms has told you. But only Simms truly knows his motivations for what he says or does.

  40. I am an Eagles fan and I have no love for Tom Brady. That being said, two things: first, I would not put him number one all-time. That prize for me goes to Joe Montana. But secondly, I don’t see how you can rank him anything other than number one (active) at this point. The man has won six Super Bowls and played in nine. He may not be the most physically skilled or even the best passer anymore. But the man wins. How do you rank him lower based on his record?

  41. So a guy that couldn’t play QB in the NFL and wouldn’t even make the NFLs top 1000 QB list is ranking the best QB that’s ever played in the NFL at #9? Seems fitting!

  42. Mahomes can’t read defenses or call audibles at the line and he’s ranked #1? What? How did Simms determine his rankings? based on how far you can chuck it and how fast you can run?

  43. Needing to write an article and constantly repeat “he did not do this for attention!!!….Really!!!….Believe me!!! I promise!!!…No seriously!!!” seems a bit like protesting too much.

    There’s absolutely no legitimacy to a QB ranking that has Cam Newton ahead of Brady. Much less Big Ben, Deshaun Watson and Andrew Luck. I would tolerate Rogers, but that’s about it. Mahomes hasn’t replicated it yet and as much as I really appreciate Wilson he’s not at Brady’s level.

  44. Right. It’s Sunday, 4Q, 1:00 left on the clock. Your team is down by 4 points. Anyone not taking TB12 as their QB is a hater because they made the wrong decision, not because of anything TB12 did. Hold yourself accountable. Life is good. 🙂

  45. jackedupboonie says:6-21-2019,8:25pm
    “Tommy cement legs now has the ultimate defense to starting games out like a slug. Chuck up a sideline 40 yarder back shoulder for the P.I. Then throw one more…..walah, all the sudden he’s rolling.”

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    You failed to include all the throws he made without P.I. calls. Even if that’s true and if he wins games, who cares?

  46. I can see the logic, but that doesn’t mean I agree. I’ll put this way-would you be scared to face Tom Brady as a defensive player? If the answer is yes, it’d be hard to justify having him in the top ten.

    Or Drew Brees, for that matter. My top ten would revolve around who, as a defensive player, I’d be most scared of facing.

  47. Does it matter whether he’s ranked 9th, 1st or 30th?

    He’s got 6 rings and is still a top tier QB. What else do you want?

    As far as all time greats…I would rank Brady #1.

    Remember, he played in the free agency/salary cap era.

    The roster turnover is huge these days. Very difficult to keep a team together for more than 2 years.

    In the 70s, 80s and 90s it was a lot easier to build dynasties(Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys).

  48. usdcoyotesfan says:
    June 21, 2019 at 8:21 pm

    Since 2010-

    Rodgers 2 MVPs
    Brady 1 MVP
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    Uhh- Brady won the MVP in 2010- so;

    Rodgers 2 MVP’s
    1 Superbowl

    Brady 2 MVP’s
    2 Superbowl MVP’s
    3 Superbowl wins
    Since 2014 Brady has been on the biggest run of any quarterback ever

    Brady has more postseason passing yards than Simms has in his career!

  49. Bradys motivation comes from within, he does not “need Sims”. But what he will do is take your words and make you never want to say them again. Ask that CB from Pittsburgh. He also will get them engraved on rings.

  50. a dark cloud that will follow Tom Brady to Canton and beyond.
    ———/

    And what about Andrew Luck?

    Did you know that the Colts footballs were under the required psi that night also?

    More reasonable people disagree with you.

    As a matter of fact, a federal judge in New York disagreed with you.

    The argument that the NFL won in court was that they could do anything they want.

  51. In Simms’ defense, and blown call aside, Roethlisberger has outplayed
    and beaten Brady the last two times they’ve matched up.

  52. The axe simms has to grind is due to his failed stint in NE where he had to confront the gap between greatness and being just another strong arm. That’s what also puts brady above rogers, mahomes, anyone. Not that simms wa ever in their company either.

  53. Moudabo says:
    June 22, 2019 at 9:06 am

    In Simms’ defense, and blown call aside, Roethlisberger has outplayed
    and beaten Brady the last two times they’ve matched up.
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    When exactly did this happen. Other than regular season last year, it’s been a long time since Ben beat Brady.

    Nothing against Big Ben- great QB imo

  54. Looks like another chest-beating festival for Pats fans.

    Personally, I put Brady at 1, for a variety of reasons. But # of rings is a terrible argument. This isn’t golf. It’s a team game, and you need a fair amount of luck. Look what happened to Brees last year. And Manning had 5 different coaches, most of whom were pretty mediocre. Brady had one – the greatest ever.

    Oh, and Manning, Brees, Rogers, etc. are all greats. It’s not necessary to make those guys sound bumbling just to prop Brady up. In fact, it adds to his legacy to acknowledge how good his contemporaries are.

  55. What I learned about Chris Simms is that he overvalues arm talent. If a quarterback has a rocket arm and can be reasonably effective, he will prop that QB up way over someone who is accurate, efficient, can read defense, and master at the line of scrimmage without eyeball popping throws. Simms is in search of highlight reels. No, I do not trust his evaluation of any quarterback, period.

  56. Just because other Qb’s and teams are pushing the passing game harder and getting their numbers up higher, does not mean they are better Quarterbacks or teams. Just look who won the Super Bowl again. I hope to God Tom does not take these things as more than motivation to win because if numbers become more important to him like they did for a while when he was trying to show he was just as good a passer as Manning, the opportunities for rings will drop. It can be somewhat of a converse relationship. He still needs to be prolific. He just doesn’t have to be at the top of the Statistics Leader Board. Just the Wins, Rings, and Lombardi’s Leader Board. A Quarterback is a field general as well as a passer. He needs to know how to put the other players in position to succeed with blocking schemes, play calls, and route trees. He’s the one figuring out how to best beat the opposing team’s defense. Brady has no true equals in that. Period.

  57. Brady did look tired at the end of last season. The defense and the running game carried the team to the championship. But I would still rank him higher than 9th.

  58. Who is Chris Simms and why is he even employed here? He is a failed QB in the pros and was not very impressive before that. His Daddy, who has yet to remove his hideous face from a mirror, is not a reason to employ a son with no talent.

  59. patsfan4lifesbchamps says:
    June 22, 2019 at 4:00 pm

    Brady did look tired at the end of last season. The defense and the running game carried the team to the championship. But I would still rank him higher than 9th.
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    I get you are a fake fan guy, but c’mon, you can do better than this. Does anybody seriously think, much less post, that Brady looked “tired” against the Chiefs and the Chargers? He threw the ball a billion times. Running game- it’s called PLAY ACTION, has always been a big part of the Pat’s offense. They had to lean on it last year more than ever because Brady had Zero receivers last year.

  60. Funny, I thought those defensive players looked tired the way they were always gasping for air. “Fanboys” don’t think their QB is #1, ask the skins and now the Vikings.You leave Brady a minute and fans of both teams know that they gave him to much time. Every team runs a system. Some just run it to perfection. That’s why you have starters and backups. If anyone can play in that “system” why haven’t the copy-cats had success? How many teams run the west-coast offense? What happens when a great offensive/defensive coordinator becomes a headcoach and installs his “system”? They become ex headcoaches real quick. Your simplistic thinking does not work in any walk of life. You probably still go to seminars on how to be successful saying “it worked for them” it’s a fool proof “system”.

  61. Simms if fine, but man does he have a blind spot around Brady…and he worked there.
    Boggles the mind.
    Year in and year out he undervalues Tom.
    2014: Tom Brady’s not in my top five. I mean, he’s still really good, but I like other guys better. I’d go Aaron Rodgers one, Andrew Luck two, Ben Roethlisberger three, Russell Wilson four and Peyton five.—-Won Superbowl.
    2015:Aaron Rodgers, Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger, Russell Wilson and Tony Romo. He just won the SB MVP. Was third in most stats that year.
    2016:hahah..28-3 for the system QB
    anyway, you get the gist.

  62. Billsrthefuture.. Yes you need some “luck” but you have to ask yourself one question? How do the Patriots get in that position to be “lucky” in superbowls? Every team gets “lucky”. Hail marys, Miami miracle, Vikings saints game, onside kicks etc.It helps in that moment but it does not win championships. Why are they the lucky ones people say in all walks of life. They get all the breaks. Rod Stewart sang about that. You have to be in the Superbowl to get “lucky” and win it. If other teams weren’t watching it from the couch maybe they would get lucky to.

  63. Brady did look tired at the end of last season. The defense and the running game carried the team to the championship. But I would still rank him higher than 9th.
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    The defense that gave up 31 points to the Chiefs in the second half of the AFCC game? Or the running game that converted all those 3rd and longs in both the 4th quarter and OT? Offense, defense, and ST all played great down the stretch. Its a joke not to give credit to all three.

  64. Brady did look tired at the end of last season. The defense and the running game carried the team to the championship. But I would still rank him higher than 9th.
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    He’s played an extra season of football this decade cuz…playoffs. Yes he does look tired towards the end of the season. Still won.

  65. Brady’s numbers were down last year but he also didn’t have his WR1 from the year before who was traded, his most physically talented WR was suspended for the end of the season, his most reliable WR missed first 4 games, his backfield had multiple injuries and Gronk had a down year. All in all, he managed pretty well with what he had around him last year.

  66. Does it really matter where people rank him? He’s been to 8 straight AFC Championships and 5 of the last 8 Super Bowls including 4 of the last 5 and the last 3 straight. He’s getting the job done. Any argument that devalues Brady because of having a great coach or a great defense or throwing short passes is irrelevant to me. I just want them to win, and Brady is a big part of why they win so much.

  67. Does it really matter where people rank him? He’s been to 8 straight AFC Championships and 5 of the last 8 Super Bowls including 4 of the last 5 and the last 3 straight.
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    ^^^ Amen

  68. What is greatness?

    For quarterbacks It’s what your teammates think of you after you’ve left the locker room and gone home. It’s what your kids think of you as a father, mentor and friend, and the love and support you and your your wife give and get from each other. It’s the essence of who and what you are over a lifetime.

    How many hundreds of teammates has Tom had in his career, and how many speak well of him? How many wives has he had? Is there any doubt Tom and Gisele love each other and have devoted themselves to the happiness and success of their family?

    As for his job, no one has done it better and the proof can be found in all of the above. If and when he can’t do it anymore then that’s the time he will hang it up – the job anyway. After all, it’s just a job. I’m sure he will find other challenges. Until then, everything else is a specious argument that says more about his detractors than it does about him.

  69. chris simms is ranking the qbs from a former qbs perspective meaning hes looking at their tangibles. and from a tangibles perspective tom brady isnt a top 10 guy. if you include heart and determination hes top 10. but not if you only care abt his footwork, mechanics, and arm strength

  70. Scenario: It’s Sunday afternoon, about 4 pm and the early games are drawing to a close. There’s 1 minute left on the clock and the opposing quarterback gets the ball down 3 points, needs to get a field goal to tie or a touchdown to win. Now list the quarterbacks that make you the most nervous. Tom Brady’s at the top of that list. What more needs to be said?

  71. Simmms, like many, totally ignores brains, decision making, competitive juices, making others around you better, and leadership when it comes to QB play. The QB position is like being a general. You have think, and you have to lead, as well as execute. From that perspective Brady is first,and whoever you put second is not even remotely close.

  72. Super Bowl, end of 4th, at the 1-yard line.
    Do you give the ball to Brady or Wilson?
    Pete Carroll knows…
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    … that he should hand it Marshawn

  73. Let’s put it this way – you pick the QB you want and I’ll take Brady. With 9 SB trips and 6 wins in the last 20 years, the odds are that I’m going to be happier than you with the outcome.

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