Golden Tate calls Matthew Stafford, not Russell Wilson, “best QB I’ve played with”

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Golden Tate has caught passes from both Russell Wilson in Seattle and Matthew Stafford in Detroit, and he has a strongly held opinion of which one of them is better.

Tate told WDIV in Detroit that Stafford is the best quarterback he’s played with during his 10-year NFL career, which also saw him spend half a season in Philadelphia before signing with the Giants this year.

“To me, as of now, where I am today, I think Stafford’s been the best quarterback I’ve played with,” Tate said. “The guy can flat-out play. He’s tough, his attitude is amazing and he just wants to play ball. For me, I have nothing but praises for him. It’s almost unfair that he’s such a good player and doesn’t have playoffs or a ring to show for it. That kind of hurts my heart that I wasn’t able to help change that.”

So if Stafford is the best quarterback Tate played with, why did Tate earn a Super Bowl ring while playing with Wilson but never win a playoff game while playing with Stafford? Tate thinks Stafford could have a ring if he’d been drafted by a different franchise.

“I think over his career, if you put him in another organization, maybe things are different. I don’t know. Because I’ve played with some guys over my years that I’ve won playoff games with that I don’t think are as good,” Tate said.

That’s high praise for Stafford — but it’s simultaneously a shot at Wilson, and at the Lions for not putting a better team around the quarterback they’ve had for a decade without winning a playoff game.

86 responses to “Golden Tate calls Matthew Stafford, not Russell Wilson, “best QB I’ve played with”

  1. Superbowl week incident way back when between Wilson and Tate, involving a lady and some funny business may have something do with it.

    Tate ain’t winning another ring and he’s got Wilson and the Seahawks to thank for elevating his career since he left.

  2. Tate won with the Seahawks cause of the legion of boom and one of the best defenses the league has ever fielded, not because of Russel Wilson. Nothing against Wilson but that should be obvious.

  3. Except that Tate went on to play just as well with Detroit….so he wasn’t really elevated by Wilson and the Seahawks at all.

  4. Just because he doesn’t like Wilson doesn’t mean that he isn’t telling his own subjective truth on the matter.

  5. Matthew Stafford was Kirk Cousins before Kirk Cousins was Kirk Cousins. Their stats and W-L record are nearly the same. Russell Wilson is better.

  6. Tate has taken to many hits to the head. And to the folks who just haven’t figured it out yet, Yes the LOB was good even great, but they have been dismantled a while ago, yet Wilson continues winning and putting up monster stats. Problem was some of the D couldn’t handle Wilson stealing their thunder and they imploded.

  7. This is a toughie, because on one hand, Matthew Stafford and the Lions are something like 12-108 against teams with winning records over the last 10 years; but also, Russ Wilson is a glorified playground QB who is given lollipops and video games to play while the rest of the team runs drills.

  8. I don’t think Tate took a shot at Wilson at all.
    But I will: overrated.
    Not that I don’t think he’s great, but in the past 1-2 years he’s overhyped nonetheless.
    Not his fault. Media types, they just can’t help themselves…

  9. Don’t forget he’s comparing an early Wilson, who was at the time an admirable “game manager” before he became a star, to a mature Stafford so he has a point. If he’s playing side by side right now with both of them, he might have a different objective opinion, which may or may not be the same conclusion. Stafford is a baller and I agree with Tate that if drafted by a more competent team, he might have some playoff wins by now.

  10. Stafford is tough, does have the right attitude and can make all the throws. Not sure what’s missing, but it’s not only on the franchise. It’s on him too. He’s clearly not better than Wilson just by the eye test.

  11. I seriously don’t think that this will come as any surprise to true Lion fans.
    Stafford quite often shoulders the heavy burden and blame for this franchise’s shortcomings. Unfairly, I might add.
    He’s a Damn good quarterback, tough too, but it’s the shallow stat, win-loss barometer, that often defines a QB’s worthiness in, what is in fact, the ultimate team sport.

  12. Seattle won a SB with their defense and lost another because of Wilson. Tate seems spot on. I’m not a huge Stafford fan but Detroit hasn’t had much talent around him for much of his career.

  13. Stafford is a pretty damn good QB. It’s not inconceivable that someone would think he was better than Wilson.

  14. Look, I’ve been a fan of Wilson since he was a Badger but I have to Stafford is the better QB. Russell has had more talent around him in Seattle to be sure.

    I’d have to agree with Tate – who has been fortunate to have those guys throwing to him.

  15. If Stafford is better, then I wonder why Stafford has only thrown 41 more TD’s and 66 more INT’s in 3 more seasons (or 2144 more passing attempts)?

    And doesn’t one of them also play in a dome while the other plays outdoors in bad weather?

  16. Stafford never had a run game or a defense to lean on. He had megaton but one WR will never be enough when the other team scores at will. Stafford had a down year last year for sure, the only year I’ll blame on him. I’ve watched every game of his career and Stafford is a baller and more often than not the only weapon we had.

  17. Russell Wilson is mediocre at best. If Tate is saying that Stafford is a cut above mediocre, I can accept that.

    As far as animosity over a lady, Golden Tate was the one accused of sleeping with Russell Wilson’s wife not the other way around.

    Pretty sure animosity isn’t at play here, he’s just telling the truth.

  18. comparing individuals in a team game is certainly difficult- almost not worth doing imo, as you have to have a lot of dominoes fall into place for a team to succeed- just look at Marino he was an incredible QB who never won jack because of the team around him- same could have been said for elway had they not had a late in his career surge that made him a champ- JIm Kelly was great, but couldn’t quite get the W’s he needed– what if Bradshaw didn’t have franco, swan, stallworth, ham, lambert, greene etc. around him? Tarkenton was incredible, and he had the purple people eaters as well, but those dominoes just didn’t fall right for him- even Archie Manning (the most comparable to stafford imo) was a great QB- so what is the point in isolating individuals as the GOAT when it takes a TEAM (and some dominoes) to win?

  19. The Lions would trade Stafford for Wilson today if they could. The Seahawks would not do the reverse.

    If given a choice between the two, EVERY GM would take Wilson.

  20. Stafford has never had a very good running game, nor has he had a decent defense. Few quarterbacks can win consistently if their defense can’t stop the other team from marching down the field. Such QBs get faced with having to throw when it is expected, which leads to more turnovers. Also in recent years the NFC North typicall plays much stronger defense than the NFC West.

    All things being equal, I take Stafford. Not even close.

  21. Everybody knows what happened between Golden Tate and Russell Wilson. Tate is a creep and he holds grudges for bad things that he caused to happen. Who cares what he thinks.

  22. In terms of pure arm talent, Stafford is right up there with the best of all time. His decision making may not be that good, but certainly he has suffered being drafted by the worst franchise in the history of the NFL. Embarrassing really how bad the Lions always are.

  23. Games about wins.

    Stafford is 66-78
    Wilson is 88-43-1

    I’m sure Tate’s commends have nothing to do with WR Diva mentalities and the fact that Stafford threw him the ball twice as often as Wilson did.

    Tate’s been one of my favorite Seahawks and NFL players in general since coming out of college. He’s always played tough and fights for yards when other guys are running out of bounds.

    But come on – on no planet is Stafford a better QB than Wilson, who owns him in every conceivable catagory that’s not attempts and yards.

  24. As far as animosity over a lady, Golden Tate was the one accused of sleeping with Russell Wilson’s wife not the other way around…….
    Correct on that one.

  25. Maybe if you’re building a team in Madden? In the real world Wilson is clutch and a champion. Stafford is not. Talented and tough though.

  26. “To me, as of now, where I am today, I think Stafford’s been the best quarterback I’ve played with,” Tate said. “The guy can flat-out play. He’s tough, his attitude is amazing and he just wants to play ball. For me, I have nothing but praises for him. It’s almost unfair that he’s such a good player and doesn’t have playoffs or a ring to show for it. That kind of hurts my heart that I wasn’t able to help change that.”
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    It’s easy to rip on the Lions even though they are in a tough division. Anyway, that doesn’t even matter. I don’t think anything he said is just some kind of gimmick. Stafford is tough and deserves some credit. Most players in the NFL don’t get close to a Super Bowl and all Tate really said is his time with the Lions made him who he is today. And he is correct saying Stafford would do better under a different team with better coaches and managers…

  27. Wilson has a bright future as a Carlton Banks impersonator at low level bars across the country when he retires. Every opponent should play tom Jones music when the little ewok runs on the field

  28. Legion of Boom fell off, Seahawks fell off. Wilson got paid, nothing to show for it. Remember The INT? Anywho, I don’t think he was knocking Wilson, he honestly may believe that a guy on a lesser team who still produces is the superior QB.

  29. One is the number one overall pick. The other, a third round selection, was deemed to small to be a starter.

    One was selected by the Detroit Lions. A consistent under achiever. The other, the Seattle Seahawks. They had success (playoffs) but nothing year to year consistent for most of its organizational life in the NFL.

    One QB had a bonified #1 receiver at one point. The other has never really had one. Wilson’s best receiver was an UDFA. (Baldwin)

    Wilson was drafted by an organization that was retooling, reorganizing, new GM, new head coach, new philosophy, new era, from the top down. Driven by the owner, Paul Allen.

    One organization kept it status quo. For decades.

    The other set an NFL record for most player transactions in a two or three year span trying to find the right player/organizational fit. (Seattle)

    The philosophy and culture in Seattle was, and still is, vastly different than Detroit’s.

    Say what you want about Wilson, and that he only won because of the defense, or that he threw a pick in the SB against the Pats, (the Pats had four DT’s on the line at that time so Lynch wasn’t going to score because of the Pats ‘heavy goal line’ defense) but, he’s a winner, and a bonified top 10 QB.

    The NFL isn’t golf, or tennis. It takes all eleven guys on offense/defense to do their job, with the others on the sideline needing to step in when needed.

    A loss isn’t, in any team sport, pinned on one single person. Just as a win isn’t, in any team sport, pinned on one single person.

    Additionally, the guy you’re knocking, and that he won only because of the defense, gave said defense a 10 point lead against the Pats starting the fourth quarter. Said defense gave up 14 points in that quarter.

    But let’s blame one single person for it.

    Lastly, other organizations plucked Seattle’s defensive staff for promotions on their team. Yet, not one single organization wanted Bevell, Seattle’s OC, as a head coach. That should tell you something as well.

  30. Well, duh! With Matthew Stafford, you can run a full-blown pro offense – you don’t have to allow for so much off-script stuff, much of it because Wilson is 5’10 5/8 and has to find passing lanes. Stafford, with that amazing HOSE, second only to Josh Allen’s in strength, can make incredible throws from the pocket and rolling out. Wilson throwing from the pocket, not good. Mentally, physically for the position, it’s Matthew Stafford every day. Lions, Seahawks – an entirely different conversation.

  31. Stafford had(has) a terrible o-line who isnt great at escaping the pocket like Wilson because he’s not built that way. Still unable to locate a running back and pass rush

  32. Lions get solid WRs but never have a stud or competitive Rb to balance the offense. If they had better run game they might have a better chance. Literally the bottom in rushing year after year.

  33. nerds and stats….lmao…tate has done well in all of his stops, him picking stafford isn’t a slight at wilson… imo stafford is a players qb and the lions have wasted him

  34. Quarterbacks don’t get a pass for “having nothing around them.” Their job is to make the team better, which is why they get paid more than anyone else. And please stop acting like Stafford didn’t play with the best receiver in the game for multiple years in Calvin Johnson. They drafted guys like Suh for the defense; and Suh was once considered one of the best in the game even if also the dirtiest. They brought in veteran guts like Haloti Ngata who won a ring before he got there and still contributed on the eagles after he left Detroit.

    Stafford doesn’t even belong in the same sentence as Wilson. He is still living off his junktime yardage totals and college career. He hasn’t won anything in the NFL. He doesn’t show up in the bright lights. He’s just a guy who never lived up to the draft selection. He hasn’t been horrible, but he’s not as good as Russell Wilson. Those are the facts of the case, and they are undisputed.

  35. If Stafford is so much better why doesn’t his record and playoff experience get considered. This double standard for QBs is mind numbing. A Black QB (here comes the groans) is crucified if he doesn’t win no matter who is on his team. A white QB gets held to a lower standard. Stafford is good enough to be average but he’s not better than Russ, not a few years ago, not this year and not in the future. Russell Wilson…third round pick compared to Stafford the 1st overall pick. In fact, Wilson WON THE JOB while it was handed to Stafford. Tate is definitely entitled to his opinion but with Stafford, he benefitted from the lack of a consistent running game and his numbers swelled.

  36. As a Packer fan seeing Stafford twice a year, I think Matt Stafford is an very under rated QB. When he’s on and has protection,… he can pick a defense apart. Not just the not so good Packers d backs,… but I’ve seen him against the other teams.
    If he had better o lines and could stay healthy,…. ????

  37. Love how people are mentioning the int in the bowl as a defining moment for Wilson. Watch the man play every week and you’ll sing a different tune. Dude balls out and for years has played behind one of the worst lines. Just looking for informed opinions rather than only the “prime time game watchers” feedback.

  38. Trent Dilfer has a ring. He must be a better quarterback than Matthew Stafford and Archie Manning. LOL. As they say, defense wins championships, and Dilfer and Wilson have rings because they happened to play with teams that had dominant defenses. In the case of Wilson, his defense also has the benefit of the league deciding not to call defensive holding for an entire season. If Matt Stafford had defenses that were as good, then he could have a couple of rings. Peyton Manning never had a ring in his final season in the NFL because his team had a dominant defense. Tom Brady only win Super Bowls during those years when his defenses are good. The same is true of Joe Montana and Troy Aikman. I have often said that Andrew Luck would have multiple rings on his fingers already if his team had the same defenses that Wilson had in Seattle. Last year, the Seattle defense was mediocre at best, and Seattle made a quick exit from the playoffs.

  39. Im sure Russell Wilson has thrown to much better receivers, so it’s a wash…
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    Than Calvin Johnson?

  40. In terms of stats, maybe Stafford is “better” than Wilson, but a lot of Stafford’s yards come during garbage time and they need to sling the ball around to make the score respectable. Besides, there’s one thing Wilson is that Stafford ain’t: a winner. Period.

  41. What if I told you that the better quarterback doesn’t always win?

    Ignore stats. Ignore celebrity wives. Ignore opportunities in baseball.

    Remember, this is a WR who is saying this. They don’t care about how good you are at calling audibles. They care about one thing: who throws the ball better.

    Russell is a better athlete, and a winner. But that doesn’t mean anything about his personality, being likely, or arm talent.

    Stafford is a good guy, but he needs to do more as a team player. Maybe Bevell’s offense is exactly what he needs?

  42. I don’t take that as necessarily a shot at Wilson. But, also, this is aimed at how a WR sees a QB. So, while Wilson may be a solid thrower, and can certainly do more on the run, it could still be that Tate sees Stafford as the better QB from a throwing stand point, which would be what a WR cares about most.

  43. exinsidetrader says:
    July 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm
    Wilson will be in the Hall of Fame.
    Stafford will have to buy a ticket to join him.

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    LMAO… No Chance on either!

  44. Scalesofjustice says:
    July 16, 2019 at 9:55 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    July 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm
    Wilson will be in the Hall of Fame.
    Stafford will have to buy a ticket to join him.

    __________________________________________________________

    LMAO… No Chance on either!

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    There is simply no denying that Russ is on a HOF trajectory in terms of his career. A LOT can happen and if he suffered a career ending injury he’d obviously have no shot, but if he stays healthy and his production going forward mimics what its been…he’s absolutely getting in.

    As for the debate at hand…I have nothing against Stafford and the guy is tough as nails. But there’s no contest when you look at the overall body of work. Wilson wins, Wilson is far more dangerous and Wilson is absolutely more consistent.

  45. “Glad he left the Eagles. Addition by subtraction”

    In all fairness, Tate was not put in a position to succeed by the Eagles. They had no idea how to use him effectively. When he was in there, that usually meant that Nelson Agholor (who arguably is Tate’s equal) had to sit. So the Eagles really gained nothing by having Tate in the lineup and in fact, lost a 3rd round draft pick to have him at all.

  46. Why compare? Just enjoy both. They are both good NFL QBs. One has had a better team surrounding him, but that doesn’t diminish his accomplishments. Remember, Wilson was a 3rd round draft choice that won the job in training camp over a much hyped and better paid QB.

  47. Stafford would say Charles Johnson (lifetime Lion) is the best he’s played with. Russell would undoubtedly pick Baldwin(lifetime Hawk) as his best. So does it really matter what Golden Tate (on 4th franchise) really thinks?

  48. When there’s high stakes or a big win has to be had a I’m taking Wilson. Stafford will fold.

  49. July 16, 2019 at 9:55 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    July 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm
    Wilson will be in the Hall of Fame.
    Stafford will have to buy a ticket to join him.

    __________________________________________________________

    LMAO… No Chance on either!

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    There is simply no denying that Russ is on a HOF trajectory in terms of his career. A LOT can happen and if he suffered a career ending injury he’d obviously have no shot, but if he stays healthy and his production going forward mimics what its been…he’s absolutely getting in.

    As for the debate at hand…I have nothing against Stafford and the guy is tough as nails. But there’s no contest when you look at the overall body of work. Wilson wins, Wilson is far more dangerous and Wilson is absolutely more consistent.

    4 6 Rate This
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    Sorry! No Chance. Unless they lower their standards there is no way.

  50. I don’t get why people are having emotional reactions to this, nor why anyone would be surprised that someone might prefer Stafford to Wilson.

    I don’t think Matt Stafford holds the Legion of Boom or Marshawn Lynch back while playing a smaller role than he ever has, nor do I think Russell Wilson makes the Lions not the Lions if they switched places. This isn’t really a hot take.

  51. Stafford will end up with around 55,000 passing yards and well over 300 TD’s when he’s done. He’s 31 and probably has 5 quality years left.

  52. Scalesofjustice says:
    July 16, 2019 at 1:58 pm
    July 16, 2019 at 9:55 am
    exinsidetrader says:
    July 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm
    Wilson will be in the Hall of Fame.
    Stafford will have to buy a ticket to join him.

    __________________________________________________________

    LMAO… No Chance on either!

    ===============================

    There is simply no denying that Russ is on a HOF trajectory in terms of his career. A LOT can happen and if he suffered a career ending injury he’d obviously have no shot, but if he stays healthy and his production going forward mimics what its been…he’s absolutely getting in.

    As for the debate at hand…I have nothing against Stafford and the guy is tough as nails. But there’s no contest when you look at the overall body of work. Wilson wins, Wilson is far more dangerous and Wilson is absolutely more consistent.

    4 6 Rate This
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    Sorry! No Chance. Unless they lower their standards there is no way.

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    If Wilson’s career ended today whether to pull an MJ and chase a baseball dream or to start his own cheesy gameshow on Nickelodeon…I agree. He wouldn’t have enough accolades in his corner to get in (Stafford even less so FWIW).

    But Russ is only turning 31 this November and has not seen ANY drop off in performance. He has stated that he wants to play another decade…while you can’t assume that his current levels of play will extend until Age 40+, if these next handful of years are ANYTHING like what he’s done to date…he is absolutely getting in.

  53. If Stafford was on the Seahawks they’d have multiple rings. Stafford is much more lethal when it comes to running an offense. Wilson is a mediocre qb and if he didn’t have runningback like athleticism he’d be out of the league.

  54. I do not think Stafford is better than Wilson. However, Tate speaks from experience.

  55. Stafford is so bad, he never shows up for critical games. There is no comparison, Russel Wilson can win you the big game and is way more talented.

    Golden Tate has a big mouth and is not a top WR, he is so incredibly overrated which is why he is always running his goofy gums!

  56. First off, I like Stafford quite a bit and think he’s a really good QB. On a better team he may have had more football success, but Tate’s wrong. Stafford’s not a better QB than Wilson by just about any real measure. Also let’s get this out of the way, these QB’s are basically the same age. Stafford turned 31 in February and Wilson will turn 31 in November. (about a 9 1/2 month difference)

    Now let’s talk about real stats.
    Since Wilson started his rookie year (Stafford was going into his 4th) Stafford only wins the yardage category with 30,686 to Wilson’s 25,624. Wilson has thrown 196 TD’s to Stafford’s 177. Wilson has thrown 63 INT’s to Stafford’s 92. So while throwing fewer passes Wilson has thrown more TD’s. Granted more throws will likely equal more INT’s for Stafford but you can’t negate that Wilson throws more TD’s on fewer passes than Stafford.

    Isolating Wilson’s career throwing numbers they are better than Stafford’s as well.
    Wilson’s rating is 100.3 to Stafford’s 88.4 (Wilson’s career # is 2nd only the Aaron Rodgers here)
    Wilson’s average yard/attempt is 7.9 to Stafford’s 7.1.
    Wilson’s average yard/catch is 12.2 to Stafford’s 11.4
    Wilson’s TD% is 6.0 to Stafford’s 4.4
    Wilson’s INT% is 1.9 to Stafford’s 2.4

    Now.. let’s talk about Golden Tate’s perspective, and the most likely reason he’s going to say something like this. All WR’s seem to be very ego-centric and he’s no exception.
    Here are Tate’s targets per year on the Seahawks: 39,58,68,99.
    Here are Tate’s targets per year on the Lions: 144,128,135,120.
    Tate never had more than 99 targets as a Seahawk and never had fewer than 120 as a Lion. Of course he’s going to like Stafford more. HE THREW HIM THE BALL A HELLUVA LOT MORE. I like Tate and think he’s a great baller, but I would guess he likes Stafford better because he got the ball a lot more and had his most productive years there.

    all stats pulled from pro-football-reference.

  57. Wilson had Marshawn Lynch and the Legion of Boom. If only Stafford had something even close.

  58. Wilson had Marshawn Lynch and the Legion of Boom. If only Stafford had something even close.

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    Megatron…hello. He was such a great receiver that his name is Megatron.

    Here is my guess: you didn’t even bother to read the well written, stat ridden post right above yours.

    MOST of the anti Russell Wilson sentiment is coming from straight ignorance. People have their initial gut reaction to a shorter qb and have heard others spout the ‘legion of boom and Marshawn Lynch’ argument so much that they just regurgitate it without even trying to look deeper.

    It would surprise most of these people that only 2 other QB’s in NFL history had more TD’s in their first 7 years and those guys are named Dan Marino and Peyton Manning.

    Russel Wilson, along with Peyton Manning and Dan Marino are the only QB’s to throw 20+ TD’s in each of their first 5 seasons…and he has just gotten better since.

    Those are TD stats…no defense or Marshawn to help…just a QB throwing TD’s to “mediocre” receivers like Tate(dion sanders said that not me). RW is the third BEST EVER over their first seven seasons in TD passes. Just ahead of Aaron Rogers.

    and some of you call Russell mediocre…smh. You speak from emotion not logic…and it’s a bad look.

    I said most of the anti Russell sentiment is from ignorance but there is also a fair amount of jealousy, anger and hate. Rams fans will admit he’s great because he hasn’t hurt them too bad but ask a Niners fan or a GB fan about Russell and things can get dicey.

  59. I particularly liked the arguments “he got paid and has done nothing since…”

    You mean last month? If you mean his first contract please refer to my post above.

    and “last year Seattle had a mediocre defense and made a quick exit from the playoffs.”

    Mediocre defense and made it to the playoffs? How did that happen?

  60. Seattle had a “run first” approach when Tate was there and he constantly agitated for more touches. They tried to accommodate him with end arounds etc. but he developed personality clashes with Wilson and was forced out. That he even publicly made this comparison is indicative of his poor character.

  61. I don’t think Stafford is better than Wilson, but he is definitely better than some people say he is on here. Put him being a decent offensive line and running game (something he hasn’t had much of) and I bet he performs right up there with some of the better QBs. Dude is tough as nails too!

    ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #ONEPRIDE

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