NFL: Tyreek Hill’s comment to Crystal Espinal didn’t warrant discipline

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The NFL’s statement regarding the decision to not discipline receiver Tyreek Hill said nothing about the troubling remark that sparked Hill’s banishment from the balance of the Chiefs’ offseason workout program.

“You need to be terrified of me too, bitch,” Hill said to Crystal Espinal during an argument regarding whether Hill’s young son respects Hill or is terrified of him.

PFT asked the league for an explanation regarding the decision not to discipline Hill despite this comment, which was made by Hill to the same woman he admittedly assaulted while she was pregnant, in 2014.

“That audio tape was reviewed as part of the overall investigation, which also included speaking to multiple people, including family members on both sides and Tyreek Hill,” NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy wrote in an email to PFT. “In addition, other information was gathered over the last four months.

“When viewed in the context of the full 11-minute, 27-second audio recording and all other information gathered, the statement did not rise to a level of warranting discipline under the personal conduct policy.”

That’s the most surprising aspect of the NFL’s decision. While the evidence regarding allegations of child abuse or child endangerment, if any, apparently was inconclusive at best, the threat made by Hill to Espinal was documented, and Hill’s own lawyer admitted that Hill said what he said. Indeed, Hill’s lawyer called the comment “unacceptable” and “inexcusable, of course” in a letter sent to the NFL in early May.

The NFL ultimately decided that, for the purposes of the Personal Conduct Policy’s clear prohibition on “[a]ctual or threatened physical violence,” the comment was acceptable and excusable, and that it ultimately nothing that would require even a fine of Tyreek Hill.

79 responses to “NFL: Tyreek Hill’s comment to Crystal Espinal didn’t warrant discipline

  1. Josh Gordon smokes legal Pot and has a lifetime ban. Tyreek Hill punches his kid in the stomach and maybe broke the kids arm while telling his girl she should be afraid of him and is welcomed back in KC.Strange world we live in.

  2. Sickening…..Where is the league headed with this type of leadership….thank goodness for college football….

  3. What was different about this case and Jimmy Smith? Smith got 4 games for “threatening and emotionally abusive behaviors”.

  4. But make no mistake, smoking pot is something we won’t tollerate, ie Josh Gordon. We think it better to keep him away from the NFL rather than keep him close and possibly provide the support he needs. Cannot tarnish the shield. Pot >>> perceived domestic violence.

    345 park Ave

  5. next time of Roger’s Wheel of Justice:

    How many games can we give David Bakhtiari for encouraging kids to chug 3 beers in a short amount of time

  6. Break you son’s arm & admit it to his mother = no punishment. Knock your girlfriend out for spitting in your face = 6 games & ultimately banished from league.

    The NFL under Goodell is an unwatchable horror show.

  7. Without context of the rest of the conversation, how can anyone judge? Maybe she threatened him first. Maybe it was just blowing steam during argument? The NFL would have suspended the guy if it had cause. We all know that. There must be things we don’t know here.

  8. This is a terrible day for the NFL. The league office are hypocrites and should be ashamed of themselves. Tyreek Hill does NOT belong in the NFL. Thumbs way, way, way down.

  9. 1. Man assaults and chokes pregnant girlfriend and is convicted.
    2. A few years later, man is recorded threatening same woman’s life.
    3. Employer concludes that this warrants no discipline whatsoever.

    Okay.

  10. I thought my faith in Goodell’s org was at an absolute low at zero. Is a negative number possible?

  11. I’ve said this in the past. The NFL shouldn’t be involved in this stuff. If the legal system can’t handle it, a business certainly can’t, even with their resources. Your job doesn’t investigate you independent of law enforcement, so it should work the same way here. Now, advertisers and season ticket holders should put pressure on the individual teams, and that should lead to them doing what’s best in light of what is going on with the legal proceedings, but this other stuff is nonsense and serves no purpose.

  12. I’m not Chiefs fan by any means but what’s the rationale for disciplining Hill??? There was a Police investigation that ended with no charges. I completely disagree that the NFL should have any authority to discipline players for non-football issues where a Police investigation was completed and showed no findings. Let Hill play.

  13. The pot heads being offended about pot discipline is funny. Whether or not it should be against the rules is certainly up for debate…but currently it’s a banned substance, and until that changes (likely with the next CBA,) the consequences are what they are. Never mind that the players are dumb enough to get busted for the easiest drug test of all time to work around in the first place.

  14. Just another entry in a long list of reasons why I barely watched last year and will likely pay even less attention this year. Oh, let’s play games in China. Yeah, another terrific idea.

  15. I think everyone that is condemning Hill without listening to the FULL audio are completely being one sided and are ILL INFORMED. You cannot pass judgement without all of the facts. To do so is criminal in itself!

  16. Is it possible that the fact that the NFL is in the porcess of finalizing the next CBA had a bearing on this? It looks to me like a case of, “pucker up” players union, we’re going to plant a big wet one on ya.

  17. I don’t think any of us have enough information to make judgements in this case. There are a lot of questions about the whole situation that should make us uncomfortable condemning anyone at this point.

  18. In the cynical world of the NFL League office, this is all about the CBA. Roger wants to look like the players’ friend, thinking they won’t insist he get out of the discipline business. I sure hope he’s miscalculated, because his entire history has shown he’s about the least competent man imaginable to be in charge of a disciplinary program.

  19. They never even should have allowed the piece of human filth into the league in the first place after beating and choking a pregnant woman.

  20. I would think the majority of people have made a comment to their wife or significant other that they would not want to be recorded or made public.

  21. Man, all you folks condemning Hill, please don’t ever sit on my jury. Do a little research on the subject, and you will realize that Hill was getting framed up by his girl. The wrath of crazy is not something you want to deal with, and Tyreek needs to get away before she ruins his life!

  22. NFL showing us how to ruin an empire. Consecutively losing ratings for another year in a row. I know I’ll be pirating every game this year. No more money from me.

  23. Luckily we arent banned from working for the stupid things we’ve said in our lives. If so me and almost everyone posting here would be hanging out on the unemployment line. Glass house my friends.

  24. I hope the league’s wonderful fans fill opposing stadiums to let Tyreek know how much they “support” him for the rest of his career.

  25. Jimmy Smith got suspended for saying stuff. Makes absolutely no sense for them to not be consistent here. Jimmy Smith should sue for the wages he missed out on.

  26. So how does KC structure the new deal? Million dollar bonus if neither your kid or girlfriend shows up with broken bones, but if either one gets battered again the bonus drops to 50,000?

  27. But I’ll Bet Tyreek Hill was “Generally Aware” of what did happen to his childs arm

  28. arwiv says:
    July 19, 2019 at 2:10 pm
    Luckily we arent banned from working for the stupid things we’ve said in our lives. If so me and almost everyone posting here would be hanging out on the unemployment line. Glass house my friends.

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    Pretty sure I’ve never threatened my partner with violence or beat our 3 year olds to welts. Sure tons of others can say the same. You might want to address your own issues and not project your actions upon others.

  29. Meanwhile there is 3 year old boy with a broken arm who is terrified of his father. And a woman who’s already been beaten and strangled by Hill, and who has been reminded by Hill she should be terrified of him.

    This will come back to haunt Goodell someday.

  30. I sincerely hope his girlfriend and chlid are not harmed by him in the future. I don’t see how they are being protected. The NFL are enablers and it can easily happen again.

  31. arwiv says:
    July 19, 2019 at 2:10 pm
    Luckily we arent banned from working for the stupid things we’ve said in our lives. If so me and almost everyone posting here would be hanging out on the unemployment line. Glass house my friends.

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    1.) Domestic violence is a serious crime, not a stupid thing. Most people are not doing what Hill has done.
    2.) There is a very, very long line of talented athletes that would love a chance to start in the NFL and make millions of dollars. It would be great if he could improve, change and grow as a person, but that doesn’t mean he deserves that starting spot. He’s very talented, but we all know there are other guys coming up that could take his place. Heck, maybe they would even manage to make more than one catch in the AFC Championship game.

  32. you cant take away mahomes best WR when you are trying to push him as hard as possible to be the next face of the NFL.

    The writing was on the wall when KC didnt cut him right away like they did Hunt. the fix was in, the only thing left was to send out the hush money and sweep this under the rug.

    There is no room for morals when you are dealing with billions of dollars. thats how the real world works.

  33. Without context of the rest of the conversation, how can anyone judge? Maybe she threatened him first. Maybe it was just blowing steam during argument? The NFL would have suspended the guy if it had cause. We all know that. There must be things we don’t know here.
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    Spot on, amigo. Only the best moving forward for Hill’s son and the child’s mother. I sincerely hope that the player moves on to do only good things for them. This Orwellian new world of ours takes the form of every two-bit opinion in the world – mine included! – being given inordinate exposure. The lockstep sanctimony of sport’s talking heads about this, and other issues, has become wearisome.

  34. Just letting a kid get to a point where he breaks his arm at 3 is clearly Child abuse. Is there any wonder why the NFL and football at the kids level is losing interes.

  35. Look I am not a Chiefs fan by any measure. I listened to the 11 minute audio in its entirety, not just a couple second soundbite. It sure changed my mind about the whole thing. I don’t think the guy is an angel but it sure sounds like Ms. Espinal is THE problem here.

  36. I dunno…you can’t really suspend somebody for being a jerk on the phone if you’re not going to suspend him for beating a child.

  37. I agree with the NFL on this one. Funny how so many commentators here were on the scene and saw exactly what happened, talked to family members, reviewed evidence, talked to police, and concluded that Hill is guilty. Why aren’t you guys working as PIs or for the cops?
    P.S. Hill never admitted to anything in 2014. He took a plea to make it go away.

  38. The veiled threat by Hill was said in the heat of the moment.

    Now if all the players wives or girlfriends recorded their domestic arguments I bet you would hear a lot worse comments than Hills. A lot of them. You’d hear things like kill, cut or shoot, ect.

    Now do we now expect the NFL to police the the players based on recordings of domestic disputes ?

    This could get really interesting fast. Wife releases a recording of an argument to the public and now the NFL becomes the policeman of every players house.

    I don’t think we want the NFL making the calls on every player’s domestic arguments. That is what PFT has been advocating here.

  39. Once I actually heard the WHOLE (unedited) tape it was very clear that he was threatening to expose what SHE did to the kid when he said, “You should be terrified of me too b*tch”

    He wasn’t threatening to physically hit her – he was actually threatening to TELL ON her.

  40. One commenter said that Goodell is slimy and has no consistency. I disagree. He has the consistency of slime.

    I’m a Patriot fan. As soon as the Belichick/Brady era is over, I am done with the NFL. A bit hypocritical to wait, but I suffered through too many patsy seasons do not finish this ride. But that is it. I’ll read or take up a new fall/winter hobby to fill my Sundays. This league is rotten to the core.

  41. bigrickdeemann says:
    July 19, 2019 at 4:09 pm
    Just letting a kid get to a point where he breaks his arm at 3 is clearly Child abuse. Is there any wonder why the NFL and football at the kids level is losing interes.
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    You obviously don’t have any kids.

  42. Good I am glad Mr. Hill can make a living playing the great game of Football. Football players are not Choir boys; never have been never will be. He was not convicted of any crime so he belongs on the field. I hope he will take advantage of this opportunity as an athlete and as a man.

  43. This is why you shouldn’t go out on limbs about not covering the NFL if “X”. The league has shown numerous times that it has an entirely different set of motives when handing this kind of disciplinary action. Not only are they imperfect, they’re down right awful at this at times.

    Lesson learned right?

  44. Zeke got suspended over he said she said. There was actual audio tape of Hill.

    This is so bogus.

  45. Before you spout off listen to the FULL unedited audio.

    1. Tyreek, while not knowing he’s being taped, comments that Crystal LIED on the stand and he never hit her in 2014. Apparently she got nuts and he forced her out of his house. Go listen to the full audio, apparently he has been innocent of everything and she lied about being hit.

    2. Tyreek fully cooperated with the police and DFS in the latest 2019 incident. A guilty man wouldn’t have been so forth coming.

    3. Tyreek’s lawyer gave the NFL SMS trascripts among other unknown items supporting Tyreek’s story.

    So knock off the BS, people can be INNOCENT. Kids break bones – especially boys. Who knows if Crystal borke the kids arm or he just fell.

  46. This is ironically good. The last time we suspended players whose teams were destined for the postseason like Brady and Edelman, we ensured that these gifted athletes returned well-rested with something to prove. Both won SB MVPs that year.

    I did not want to see this happen for Hill or the Chiefs.

  47. The way the league metes out discipline is a head scratcher at best. I just don’t get it anymore. He won’t learn from this and will do something again.

  48. Man, all you folks condemning Hill, please don’t ever sit on my jury. Do a little research on the subject, and you will realize that Hill was getting framed up by his girl. The wrath of crazy is not something you want to deal with, and Tyreek needs to get away before she ruins his life!

    First off, this is the court of public opinion, so I do not need to see she was framing him. His past actions have set the expected precedence. And if you were sitting on his jury , both sides would absolutely bring up his past. He is a low life bag of dog crap And nothing you say can or will change that.

  49. This is ironically good. The last time we suspended players whose teams were destined for the postseason like Brady and Edelman, we ensured that these gifted athletes returned well-rested with something to prove. Both won SB MVPs that year.

    I did not want to see this happen for Hill or the Chiefs.

    Andy Reid is the coach. No need to worry. Nobody is winning the super bowl mvp with him as the coach

  50. Talking is not the same as doing. So, if the league later finds evidence that he actually did abuse his children, then it can still discipline him.

  51. Brady and Edelman, we ensured that these gifted athletes returned well-rested with something to prove.
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    By NFL standards, the only gifted athlete in this trio is Tyreek Hill. Edelman is a good athlete and Tom Brady is an excellent passer – their real claim is massive overachievement – certainly laudable – and ‘doing their damn jobs.’

  52. Disappointing.

    I understand that there may have been a lack of compelling evidence for legal prosecution. But that has never stopped the NFL from punishing players just for putting the league in a rough position.

    So even if he’s not guilty, this whole thing still serves as a huge reminder that this league is filled with men who abuse women and children and are protected/enabled because of their athletic skills.

  53. If he was a nobody LT he would have been cut/suspended. T Hill, his baby momma, trash. Clueless on parenting skills. So be it. The NFL is a joke. Meh, Roger called in his marker.

  54. Tough situation. I wish we knew if he did that to his son. If guilty, that should.be the worst imaginable punishment. However, since we don’t know..we don’t know. That is justice. The comment in the audio was disgusting, but COME ON, who hasn’t said things they don’t avtually mean when angry at someone like a spouse? It was not a threat of violence, just a d bag remark.

  55. When Hill says “You should be terrified, yada yada” I have to assume he isn’t meaning he’s going to start hiding around corners and yelling “boo” at her. In truth, it’s a blatant threat of physical violence – if this were between you and your neighbor, you’d know it for that as well.

    So, the NFL is saying no punishment for blatant threats of physical violence toward your spouse now?

  56. Some of you are saying legal pot gets punished worse than this guy’s words. You’re living in an alternate universe. Back in America, speech is legal, but marijuana is illegal. States cannot nullify federal law. We’ve already tried it in the South, and the South would be a magical wonderland if we could.

  57. I don’t normally participate in the conspiracy theories about the NFL because there is a difference between an agenda and uneven application of the rules or the law. It happens every day in the real world. But this is SICK. The tape by itself, which NO ONE DENIES is this a$%hat, should be enough to warrant an assault charge both legally and policy-wise.

    I may not buy into “everyone is against the [INSERT YOUR TEAM HERE]” or “the NFL wants {INSERT TEAM HERE] to win” but some things are just wrong on their merits. This is one of them.

  58. onebuffalove716 says:
    July 19, 2019 at 10:15 pm
    Man, all you folks condemning Hill, please don’t ever sit on my jury. Do a little research on the subject, and you will realize that Hill was getting framed up by his girl. The wrath of crazy is not something you want to deal with, and Tyreek needs to get away before she ruins his life!

    First off, this is the court of public opinion, so I do not need to see she was framing him. His past actions have set the expected precedence. And if you were sitting on his jury , both sides would absolutely bring up his past. He is a low life bag of dog crap And nothing you say can or will change that.

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    sure sure….was she framing him when he tried to strangle her in college?

  59. The difference between Hill and Gordon (which is completely unrelated, and falls under a different conduct policy) is enormous. Gordon’s first offense did not result in a “lifetime” ban. Only after violating the policy a bunch of times did that happen. Don’t pretend like they’re not different. He got suspended for repeatedly defying the league more than he did for pot.

    Now, saying that smoking pot is much less significant offense than beating your son to the point of abuse and threatening your SO is a valid point to make. I agree with that sentiment. However, most of the comments seem unanimous in concurring that Hill definitely did those things. Thing is, we don’t have any proof that he did. We don’t have any proof that Espinol did, either. That’s why the NFL decided (surprisingly, actually) to not discipline him. At the very least, given how loose they’ve been with their discipline, you’d have thought he was done for.

    The Jimmy Smith comparison is more fair, because it deals with almost the exact same scenario-threatening/berating/abusing a SO verbally. Smith got four games for that offense. While I cannot wrap my head around WHY you deserve to be suspended for that, we should remember that Smith’s “incident” happened as one of the first tests of the “new and improved!” conduct policy. The NFL needed to prove that they were big and tough and trustworthy after the Greg Hardy thing went sideways, after they rewrote the policy because of Ray Rice. So Smith got to be lucky guinea pig for those reasons. We all know the NFL is concerned only with publicity. But unlike Smith, they had no actual evidence that Hill was the abuser in the situation, and unlike Gordon, this is Hill’s first time that he’s done through the protocol. Even though Goodell uses and abuses his power to keep up good publicity (or tries to), sometimes the league’s rules get in the way and he actually has to back down. I can’t see any other reason that Hill was not suspended other than the lack of evidence painting him as the abuser and the fact that the college incident happened beyond the purview of the NFL.

    Still odd that he wasn’t punished for the comment. While it’s not a threat per se, it does heavily imply hostility or at least a willingness to act negatively. I guess because Hill did not explicitly say that he would physically hurt Espinol he was able to say (truthfully or not) that he did not intend the statement to refer to physical violence. That would be the only way I could explain why the statement was ignored.

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