Derek Carr: Chance to break Ken Stabler’s Raiders record “gives me goosebumps”

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Raiders quarterback Derek Carr has 18,739 passing yards in his five-year career, which means he’s probably only a game or two away from a significant franchise record.

That’s the Raiders record for career passing yards, currently held by Hall of Famer Kenny Stabler. The franchise record of 19,078 yards is just 339 yards away for Carr, and he’s excited about having his own name mentioned alongside Stabler’s.

“That gives me goosebumps. That was my dad’s favorite player growing up,” Carr told Sal Paolantonio of ESPN.

NFL passing offenses are so much different now than they were during Stabler’s day that it’s hard to make much of a comparison between the numbers: In Stabler’s rookie year, 1970, NFL teams averaged 161.4 passing yards per game. By 2018, NFL teams averaged 237.8 passing yards per game. So it’s hard for any quarterback from the 1970s to have numbers that stand up to today’s stats.

Carr seems to recognize that. He knows Stabler was a greater passer than his stats may suggest.

35 responses to “Derek Carr: Chance to break Ken Stabler’s Raiders record “gives me goosebumps”

  1. The snake.

    As a young boy my father would tell stories of the Raiders of old.

    Kenny Stabler and Lyle Alzado were two legends in my house hold growing up.
    The Snake for his amazing mobility and ingenuity in the tightest of spots.
    Lyle Alzado for his true Raiders grit and toughness. Absolute savage.

    The mystique and ambiguity of the Raiders could not be better defined than by these two Raiders.

  2. Remember when NFL sportswriters insisted the Raiders would trade up for Kyler Murray or at least draft a QB in round 1 but then they didn’t draft one at all?
    Pepperidge Farm remembers.

  3. In this age of “Me-Me-Me”, I am glad that it’s Derek Carr breaking the Snake’s record as he is a personality that appfeciates the gravity of it as well as the player he surpassed. I;m a Lions fan, no skin in the game, here, just a guy that appreciates the old days/guys.

  4. How about you focus on winning. Gotta be proud to break a record when they threw a quarter as much as they do now and defense could actually play defense back then. This guy is a tool. Just lose baby!

  5. it’s hard for any quarterback from the 1970s to have numbers that stand up to today’s stats. Dan fouts says hello.

  6. Give me a break. The only reason Derek Carr will break Kenny Stabler’s records is because of the way the game has changed. It’s all about QB’s and WR’s today.
    Derek Carr couldn’t shine Kenny Stabler’s shoes.

  7. Happy for Carr – seems like a good dude. However this seems to me to more about the Raiders inability to develop a QB for 40 years. 20k pass yards is not that much for a storied franchise like the Raiders.

  8. Which goes to show how meaningless most QB stats are. Stabler was a gamer, a heckofa player and a guy anybody would want on their side in a big game.

    Carr? meh.

  9. There was a 5 year span where Stabler was and the raiders won 50 games and only lost 11 games, a .819 winning percentage. He also got a ring. I prefer Carr goes for that record.

    Go Raiders!

  10. This team has 5 Super Bowl appearances. Yak all you want losers. Carr will close a lot of mouths this year. Mvp

  11. I wonder how many hits QBs take today in comparison to the yards they throw? That would be interesting to plot on a graph. Even QBs from the 90’s had to be tough, but now you might as well just put a yellow jersey on them during games. How many yards would Tom Brady throw for if he took the odd helmet to the chops like Troy Aikmen and Brett Fabre and Joe Montana and Dan Marino did? I would say SIGNIFICANTLY less.

  12. In the 1970s, no team ever starts a game with a pass play. All coaches believe that you HAVE to establish the run before you can pass the ball. Almost no team ever passes the ball on first down. That was taboo. The only team that was different was the Redskins under George Allen. The Redskins almost always run a slant pass for about 5 yards on first down. The Raiders almost always run the ball on first and second downs. It was Marv Hubbard and later Mark Van Eeghen up the middle on first down almost all the time. Stabler would drop back and throw on third down and short, most of the time to Fred Biletnikoff.

    I think Bill Walsh changed that. He liked to break the norm and he established the pass so that he can run the ball.

  13. I like Derek Carr but the truth is that he’s not remotely close to what Snake Stabler was a QB.

    Carr is as good or as bad as the offensive coaching he receives which is why he excelled under Bill Musgrave and struggled under Todd Downing and now Gruden. On the other hand, Stabler despite physical limitations (immobility due to bad knees) was an excellent QB who was only rivaled in the same era by Roger Staubach at being a master of the 2 minute drill. And Snake only needed minimal coaching because John Madden trusted him enough to call all of his own plays.

  14. JD says:
    August 17, 2019 at 10:57 am

    I think it is more embarrassing to the Raiders that Carr may be their bes QB since Stabler

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    The Raiders had some excellent QBs between Stabler & Carr. Jim Plunkett won a pair of Super Bowls. And Rich Gannon also did very well for the Raiders and took the team to a Super Bowl which was lost mainly to Barret Robbins’ meltdown on the eve of the game. Jeff Hostetler wasn’t bad either although he was injured too much to be considered in the same class as the other Raider QBs mentioned.

  15. araidersfan says:
    August 17, 2019 at 12:06 pm
    I like Derek Carr but the truth is that he’s not remotely close to what Snake Stabler was a QB.
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    Would have absolutely have nothing that Stabler played behind Shell, Upshaw, Otto/Dalby, Buehler, and Vella.(3 of whom are in Canton)) There is a reason why Carr had the quickest release in the NFL last year, and he was still sacked over 50 times…Not sure why, but for some reason a QB is better when they are upright rather than flat on their back.

  16. radrntn says:
    August 17, 2019 at 12:47 pm

    araidersfan says:
    August 17, 2019 at 12:06 pm
    I like Derek Carr but the truth is that he’s not remotely close to what Snake Stabler was a QB.
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    Would have absolutely have nothing that Stabler played behind Shell, Upshaw, Otto/Dalby, Buehler, and Vella.(3 of whom are in Canton)) There is a reason why Carr had the quickest release in the NFL last year, and he was still sacked over 50 times…Not sure why, but for some reason a QB is better when they are upright rather than flat on their back.

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    Stabler started exactly 13 games under Jim Otto before Otto retired. Shell and Upshaw were obviously a great left side of the line. But Carr played with Hudson (multiple All Pro teams), Osemele (multiple All Pro teams) and Penn (3 time Pro Bowl). So let’s not pretend Carr’s propensity for burping the baby has anything to do with his line.

    If you’re imply Carr is anywhere close to Snake’s level then you obviously never saw Snake play. There is a reason why Stabler is in the HOF, has a Super Bowl ring and took the Raiders to 4 consecutive AFC Championship games.

  17. Stabler also threw for a few yards for Houston and New Orleans after he was traded for Pastorini. Still not going to impress the younger folks who think 300 yd games and 4000 yd seasons are the norm, tho.

    Also, the way Gruden and Co. operate, Carr could get traded for a kicker and a 7th round pick before the season even starts.

    Just draft, baby.

  18. sigbouncer says:
    August 17, 2019 at 1:56 pm

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    Stabler started exactly 13 games under Jim Otto before Otto retired
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    Sorry its so obvious.lol..maybe it was because I spent halftime under the bleachers on the east side…lol….Facts not fiction is that Stabler started with Otto one game in 71, another in 72, 11 games in 73, and 13 games in 74. As I mentioned Dalby in my post, became a pro bowler shortly after replacing Otto. He is one of the best centers the raiders ever had. Even more humorous is that you are trying to compare Penn, Osemlie, and Hudson(who is a stud) to 3 of the greatest O-lineman the game has ever seen in its history.

    Here’s to hoping that Carr can get into Canton as well. Hope he breaks Stabler record that I stated earlier as well.

    Go Raiders!!!

  19. radrntn says:
    August 17, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    sigbouncer says:
    August 17, 2019 at 1:56 pm

    ———————–

    Stabler started exactly 13 games under Jim Otto before Otto retired
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Sorry its so obvious.lol..maybe it was because I spent halftime under the bleachers on the east side…lol….Facts not fiction is that Stabler started with Otto one game in 71, another in 72, 11 games in 73, and 13 games in 74. As I mentioned Dalby in my post, became a pro bowler shortly after replacing Otto. He is one of the best centers the raiders ever had. Even more humorous is that you are trying to compare Penn, Osemlie, and Hudson(who is a stud) to 3 of the greatest O-lineman the game has ever seen in its history.

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    No question that Stabler had a fantastic o-line (one of the best in league history) but he also played in an era (before the 1978 rule changes) where defenses actually had teeth. Those rule changes decapitated defenses with an aim to inflate scoring & QB/receiver stats. When Stabler played, o-lines couldn’t hold like they do now, DBs could actually make contact with receivers without drawing PI, the head-slap was legal, etc. So Carr plays under the rules that have deliberately tilted things in favor of QBs over the last 40 years whereas Stabler in his prime did not.

  20. radrntn says:
    August 17, 2019 at 3:28 pm

    As I mentioned Dalby in my post, became a pro bowler shortly after replacing Otto. He is one of the best centers the raiders ever had. Even more humorous is that you are trying to compare Penn, Osemlie, and Hudson(who is a stud) to 3 of the greatest O-lineman the game has ever seen in its history.

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    Dalby made exactly one Pro Bowl as a backup to Jim Langer in ’77. The same year the Broncos Orange Crush Defense ran over Dalby :/

    Never made any comparison of Shell and Upshaw as I wrote they were obviously great. Hudson is much better than Dalby same with Osemele and George Buehler (who would backup most 70s teams). Dave Casper (All American tackle Notre Dame) was an important factor in the Raiders line who were mostly known for the run blocking. I made the point of Carr holding the ball too long since you obviously didn’t get the reference…

  21. 19,078..

    I’m surprised thats the Raiders all time number..

    by todays standards that 5 decent seasons, unless your Drew Brees or Patrick MaHomes then it’s 4

  22. sigbouncer says:
    August 17, 2019 at 8:58 pm

    Hudson is much better than Dalby same with Osemele and George Buehler (who would backup most 70s teams). Dave Casper (All American tackle Notre Dame) was an important factor in the Raiders line (Dalby, Buehler, Vella-Lawrence) who were mostly known for the run blocking outside of Shell and Upshaw. Madden helped the others by having his lineman tape up their hands-arms with the same jersey colors of that weeks opposition so they could hold without getting caught. – forget to finish that sentence.

    BTW, Don Mosebar with multiple Pro Bowls and two All Pros was much better than Dalby too. And before his epic meltdown Barrett Robbins was a first team All Pro in 2002. Something Dalby could never sniff.

  23. According to the data mentioned above, taking the percentage increase in yards per game (1,4733581165), Carr needs to reach 28,109 yards to beat Stabler. He is missing 9,370 yards.

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