Chris Grier: We’re positioned to be in a good place soon

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Dolphins General Manager Chris Grier said at a Tuesday press conference that the team didn’t want to trade defensive back Minkah Fitzpatrick and tried to get him to rescind his trade request, but Fitzpatrick was adamant about wanting out and the team got a 2020 first-round pick from the Steelers as part of a deal consummated on Monday night.

Grier also said that they didn’t want to trade left tackle Laremy Tunsil, but that the Texans kept pursuing him and that the final offer from Houston, which included two first-round picks and a second-rounder, was too good to pass up. Grier said Tunsil told him “I would trade me for that” when he saw what the G.M. called a “historic haul.”

Those trade leave the Dolphins even shorter on talent after being beaten by a combined scored of 102-10 in the fist two weeks. It also gives Miami five picks in the first two rounds of next year’s draft and Grier said that is part of a picture that leaves the team “positioned to be in a good place soon.”

Another part of that picture is a vast amount of cap space and Grier vowed to “be aggressive” in using money to augment any players acquired through the draft.

“We can do anything we want,” Grier said.

He also said that no other players have requested trades at this point and that he’s confident Brian Flores is the right coach to lead the team through its current doldrums. What the future will look like will have something to do with how young players develop over the rest of this season and a lot to do with what Grier does with all of the capital that’s in his possession for the offseason.

76 responses to “Chris Grier: We’re positioned to be in a good place soon

  1. No you can’t do anything you want.
    When you tank a season and sell off a team as obviously as you have done this year, you may have very few players who want to go to Miami. You have very few players left that even want to play for the team now. You’ve dug a significantly large hole in the past 4 weeks.

  2. It’s a good plan……IF a) you can identify talent so those picks are all”HITS” and b) if you can identify FAs that will want to come to a rebuilding process. Otherwise, this could cost a lot of people their jobs.

  3. Yeah but Fitzpatrick was your first rounder last year…I guess this means any future first rounders are also on the trading block after going 0-2 in 2020

  4. They’re doing what they need to do. Cutting away the fat and building from the ground up, it’s what needed to be done. You can’t build a team on self centered players, they need to build with a team first attitude.

  5. Miami will trade back out of at least 1 of those 1st round picks and could possible trade back all of those picks if they wanted to especially if they love Trevor Lawrence. Miami could go into the 2021 draft with 7 to 8 first round picks and completely control that draft

  6. LOL no your not, Chris Grier you have been running the dolphins since 2016 and have been an executive with the team (director of college scouting) since 2000. In that time frame their has been 4 playoff appearances and 7 winning seasons. 4 of the 7 winning seasons and 2 playoff appearances came in 2000-2003 with Dave Wannstedt running the team, so in the next 15 seasons there were a total of 3 winning seasons with you in either a high executive position or actually running the team. The problem seems to be you.

  7. Finally we get to read something from the management of the team.
    I have said all along atleast let your fanbase know what the long term plan is. One more decision needs to be to play Rosen to see what you have with him. There is zero reason to play Fitz. Now is the time to see if Rosen has a future there. Let him take all the reps with the starters and see how he does. Dont judge him on wins and losses because the rest of the team is a disaster. Miami will go winless unless they beat the hapless Jets.

  8. I can’t see it. Who on the current roster will tolerate this mess. The Dolphins will soon resemble a team of replacement players still playing after the strike is over.

  9. A lot of folks are bashing the Fins’ recent moves, but all 8-8 is going to get you is more seasons of 8-8. Miami has averaged just under eight wins a season for the past twenty years; it was time to do something different.

  10. first round picks by grier
    parker bust injured most of times otherwise pass dropper
    harris i know your saying who?a de that cant play
    m fitzpatrick trade was top 11 pick.
    so three or four first round picks results speak for themselves
    oh this years first round pick from clemson nobody knows he is out there.
    would you trust your future with this past performance?
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

  11. I like what the Dolphins are doing! Pay no attention to the negativity spewed by the Miami Herald and the Sun Sentinel.

    BTW- Minkah Fitzpatrick is a quitter and a coward. My son plays for a football team in middle school that is undersized and they finish around 500. The best players don’t quit on their team. They become leaders of men and strive to become better and influence people around them to do the same.

    See ya Fitzpatrick!

  12. Chris Grier: We’re positioned to be in a good place soon
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    SERIOUSLY? If he really believes that he needs his head examined! Just because you have a ton of 1st and 2nd round picks doesn’t mean squat and if you don’t hit on 70-80% of those players they’re just wasted picks! Then even if you hit 100% of them what happens in year 4 when they all want paid and you can’t afford to pay them all? Not a whole lot of thought has been put into this theory you’re trying.

    Obviously this is your first rodeo!

  13. Wasn’t there a Florida baseball team that won the World Series then sold off all it’s star players, rebuilt in a couple of years, won again and sold off all the stars again! Don’t remember exact circumstances. At any rate this ain’t baseball and the Dolphins haven’t won anything lately! LOL!!!

  14. Most of the league sits between 5-11 and 9-7, no one has did this more then the fins. You can’t rebuild unless you actually rebuild. Hopefully it works, but as others said you have to hit in the draft or it will be another 10 years of 7-9.

  15. Fitzpatrick was a great fit under Matt Burke’s Wide-9 Cover 1 defensive scheme when he was drafted.

    With new HC Flores, he’s bringing in the Patriots’ hybrid defense. Fitzpatrick just isn’t big enough to play that role (safety/LB/nickel CB), and actually COMPLAINED TO THE MEDIA in the summer about practicing in the strong safety spot.

    Trade works out for everyone.

  16. Florio: If you take a QB with the 1st overall pick in 2020 who the hell is going to block for him?

    Answer: They will have $120 Million in cap Space, two more first rounders, two second rounders and two third rounders.

    You sign 2 FA OL and draft one or two you can turn that entire unit around in one off season.

    C’mon this is not rocket science.

  17. One problem is Grier isn’t very good a evaluating talent, with his record about 70% of those picks will be busts. Trevor Lawerence seems to like throwing the ball to the other team and looks very pedestrian this year with only hitting very wide open players. Not to mention, with getting ride of most of Miami’s talent the drafted QB will get destroyed behind who ever they draft to block for him…Tau, Lawaernce, whoever would be a very good business decision to pull an Elway and Eli

    The one constant in the history of the draft is 50% of 1st round picks are always busts and the odds get much worse in the later rounds.

  18. I hope this fails and they get another Ryan Tannehill and go 7-9 for 5 straight years.

    Go ahead and tank, and get draft picks. Lets see how you use them.

  19. ———————-
    dsigrey says:
    September 17, 2019 at 10:18 am
    They’re doing what they need to do. Cutting away the fat and building from the ground up, it’s what needed to be done. You can’t build a team on self centered players, they need to build with a team first attitude.
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    And only one season with over 8 wins in the past 10 years, they have the experience to do this. Perhaps not.

  20. This sucks as a Fan for this year. However, this is the right strategy for a team that has mired in mediocrity for 20 years. I hate it; it’s embarrassing to wear Dolphins swag and even have a Dolphins License Plate, but… next year will be exciting. Anyone who doubts this should look at the Browns. They improved in one year and will be even better as they solidify. Likewise, the Steelers are down and Cincy sucks. The Ravens are good, but played 2 crappy teams to determine anything. The Patriots have another year and maybe two. The Bills are improved. The AFC East is going no where with the current Pats excellence. So, why not take a step backwards to take several forward. It is reality.

  21. Thing is, with a junior college roster now suiting up…..he has to hit on a ridiculous number of draft picks. What are they now……the Marlins? Tank and bring up a slew of high picks through the minors?

  22. look at the patriots, they have missed on 1st round draft picks, but they stockpile enough picks to make up for the wasted 1sts. Miami was not makong the playoffs this year and had some terrible contracts (1 more left in Rashad jones) so they also had no flexibility to do anything. it will be painful to watch this years games, but I will give them a couple of years to see if this works with 7 of the first 100 picks next year and 5 in 2021, they should be able to get some impact players on rookie contracts and will have 100 million cap space

  23. Really? So rebuilding means trading away young talent? You know, the kind of talent you build with. You trade your number one pick away for a first round pick. Seems like a lateral move to me. Then you trade away your LT who is young and was playing solidly. Not All-Pro but was solid and was improving. Guess what? You now need to use a pick on a LT… Call that trade a wash. This is not the NBA, one player cannot turn around a team that may be one of the worst in the NFL over the last 50 years. People that are commenting that this is how you rebuild are DEAD wrong. You hang onto what little talent your have. With the current state of this roster, they are going to need at LEAST 3-4 drafts to show improvement. And guess what? FLores and Grier will be fired by then, and they will start the process over again.

    And people getting all excited over draft picks need to pump the brakes. Go look at the last 10 drafts for Miami. Draft picks are worthless when you continually whiff on them. Grier and Flores are CLUELESS….

  24. This isn’t basketball where you play five players at a time. Roster building in the NFL takes years and the picks in rounds 4-7 and UFA’s are every bit as important as those in rounds 1-3. Ask the Jets. Many solid hits at the top of round one but absolutely zero from later rounds and they have a roster that is very short on talent. It’s also important that whatever talent you do draft have the proper coaching which is another major issue across the league.

  25. Everyone trashing the picks from the last few years should remember that those picks were made by Tannenbaum Greir and Gase together because Ross didnt want to give power to one man.

  26. Steve Cunningham says:
    September 17, 2019 at 10:37 am

    SERIOUSLY? If he really believes that he needs his head examined!
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    He said “We can do anything we want.” He didn’t predict they would be successful at it

  27. fishfan77 says:

    September 17, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Really? So rebuilding means trading away young talent? You know, the kind of talent you build with. You trade your number one pick away for a first round pick. Seems like a lateral move to me. Then you trade away your LT who is young and was playing solidly. Not All-Pro but was solid and was improving. Guess what? You now need to use a pick on a LT… Call that trade a wash.

    so use a 1st and call it a wash? but they have another 1st and a 2nd round pick besides the wash.

  28. No, it’s not. But I bet this clueless staff in Miami would be no worse at rocket science than they are with football operations.

    phinatic29 says:
    …C’mon this is not rocket science.

  29. fishfan77 says:
    September 17, 2019 at 11:09 am

    Really? So rebuilding means trading away young talent? You know, the kind of talent you build with. You trade your number one pick away for a first round pick. Seems like a lateral move to me. Then you trade away your LT who is young and was playing solidly. Not All-Pro but was solid and was improving. Guess what? You now need to use a pick on a LT… Call that trade a wash. This is not the NBA, one player cannot turn around a team that may be one of the worst in the NFL over the last 50 years. People that are commenting that this is how you rebuild are DEAD wrong. You hang onto what little talent your have. With the current state of this roster, they are going to need at LEAST 3-4 drafts to show improvement. And guess what? FLores and Grier will be fired by then, and they will start the process over again.

    And people getting all excited over draft picks need to pump the brakes. Go look at the last 10 drafts for Miami. Draft picks are worthless when you continually whiff on them. Grier and Flores are CLUELESS….

    *******************

    Sounds like you should have a GM job making millions. What happened?

  30. They really are and I hate to admit it. They’ll likely own the next 2 drafts unless they whiff. I expect some trade backs.

    I noticed BB is adding picks into 2021, so I would imagine they feel its deep, so I am sure Flores is copying BB here.

    Smart.

  31. It sucks to be a Dolphin fan right now, but they’re blowing up the team and rebuilding it from the ground up. They have lots of draft picks and tons of cap money. They can trade, add free agents, draft, and otherwise build this team from scratch. That’s not great for the immediate season, but in 2 or 3 years they could potentially have a contending team if they can be smart about their player choices. It’s time for Miami to do something different, and it looks like they’re doing just that.

  32. The Fins have not been very good at drafting the last few years and now you gotta build an entire team with draft picks…..they will all be fired in 2 years.

  33. fishfan77 says:

    September 17, 2019 at 11:09 am

    People that are commenting that this is how you rebuild are DEAD wrong. You hang onto what little talent your have.

    so your idea was to give tonsil 20 mil a year for the next couple of years as the team went 6-10 to 9-7? you probably would have kept james who got the highest contract for a RT in history as well

  34. “Miami has averaged just under eight wins a season for the past twenty years; it was time to do something different.”
    ______________

    Well, losing all 16 certainly is different. Have to give them that.

  35. You can’t line up a ton of 1st and 2nd round picks for one year because four years down the road that freight will come due when all those players come off their rookie contracts

  36. sugarbearhamilton says:
    September 17, 2019 at 10:59 am
    The apple didn’t fall far from the tree.
    His dad, Bobby Grier, was a disaster for the Pats

    0 6 Rate This

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    What?

    Not true. The only time this was the case was when Pete Carroll came in and Grier started allowing Petey to make picks as a sign of solidarity.

    Chris Canty, etc, and all the other crap picks of that era, set BB Up in horrible shape, not to mention the bad contracts of Rucci/MAx Lane, etc, which, IMO, were Kraft decisions, not Grier.

    I think BB came in and told why Kraft (and maybe it was Grier) why those moves were so bad in terms of cap value.

    The cap was new and not that understood by most teams in the 1990s. Denver, Pitt, SF, etc, all cheated the cap for example. Denver was the worst, doing it 3 times in a row.

    So, Grier’s dad, one of many, was not understanding how a bad contract could damage the recipe. I don’t see Flores not grasping this concept down in Miami now. after so many years with BB.

    It appears to me that Ross is not going to meddle anymore. That’s the key. All of the other BB proteges as GMs have meddling, greedy owners who want to win NOW to satisfy the ego.

    Pre 1997, NE’s drafts with Parcells in tow, were good.

  37. tim Anderson says:

    September 17, 2019 at 11:11 am

    Everyone trashing the picks from the last few years should remember that those picks were made by Tannenbaum Greir and Gase together because Ross didnt want to give power to one man.

    I see a lot of comments about the 1st round busts that Miami drafts and they have some. buedt then they compare it to how “well” new England has done. in the last 10 years NE has draft 1 player in the first round that is even decent and that’s sony michel who is nothing special. some years they drop out of the 1st and have so many extra picks that some pan out. point being, NE isn’t successful because of their 1st round success, its in spite of it

  38. No one likes a bad season, but this is a much better strategy than treading the waters of mediocrity. We’ve seen quick turn-arounds in the NFL before. The biggest question is why in the world is Rosen not starting? They gave up a 2nd round pick for the guy. They have to see what he has. Maybe he’s so bad they already know it was a wasted trade?

  39. This is a different way to rebuild and i think it’s refreshing to be honest. For the last 20 years we have tried band aids. Blow it up and trust that you have the structure in place to draft well and in step with each other (Owner, GM, Coach). I think we have that here and it’ll pay dividends in the near future. To Minkah: keep your mama off twitter and things will go easier for you in the future.

  40. Who knows if it’s gonna work but it isn’t the same old same old that got you 6-9 wins. I see everyone bashing Grier’s track record. He’s only had 1 draft … The last one. People seem to forget Gase and Bonita Tannebaum calling the shots prior to. Minkah was their choice, not his. Same for Tunsil and anyone else drafted or signed prior to this year.

    I hope he does hit on most of the picks. They will also have Teams calling them draft night trying to move up … So if Tua isn’t their cup of tea trade down and maybe grab another #1 in 2021. Then you have 3 1’s and go move up and down then too.

  41. I am going to make a crazy prediction here. I was not happy when we traded Tunsil but I am starting to see whats happening. I predict that the Dolphins will go from one of the worst teams in NFL history (this year) to a playoff-caliber team next year. Although we need to draft very well (and not Tua), I think this team will go back to being a team that makes consistent runs in the playoffs and potentially deeper. It is hard to watch this year but I am hopeful that they are finally finding depth and young talent (who want to play). I look forward to seeing progression this year and I think we will win some games

  42. Name 1 tanking job that has ever worked? They never work. If you think they work I suggest you find someone who knows about football to explain why they don’t work. Also Belicheck has drafted 3 capable QBs (jimmy g, brissett, stidham) in the last few years so keep thinking when Brady retires that the division will be wide open because it won’t. Miami fans deserve Chris Grier and his horrible picks. Wake up…the problem is Stephen Ross. I feel sorry for Miami. Things are going to get worse before they get better.

  43. Now all you have to do is make good draft picks, identify and obtain a franchise quarterback, sign good players to reasonable free agent deals, and make sure they will all play hard for Flores. Piece of cake!

  44. laxcoach37 says:
    September 17, 2019 at 10:53 am
    This sucks as a Fan for this year. However, this is the right strategy for a team that has mired in mediocrity for 20 years. I hate it; it’s embarrassing to wear Dolphins swag and even have a Dolphins License Plate, but… next year will be exciting. Anyone who doubts this should look at the Browns. They improved in one year and will be even better as they solidify. Likewise, the Steelers are down and Cincy sucks. The Ravens are good, but played 2 crappy teams to determine anything. The Patriots have another year and maybe two. The Bills are improved. The AFC East is going no where with the current Pats excellence. So, why not take a step backwards to take several forward. It is reality.
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    I strongly disagree.The way to do this is to keep your young players like Tunsil and Minkah. Solidify the lines and get 2-3 keepers in the drafts that can contribute early as backups and then take over as starters when their experience allows it. That allows the team to make minimal replacements over time while concentrating on specific needs during each subsequent draft. What the Dolphins are doing is fools gold. They are amassing a ton of high picks. That sounds great. Until they are all due to be resigned at the same time. If, as the tank supporters hope, the Dolphins beat the odds and find draft competence that nets studs with those picks they will not be able to resign them all when the tab comes due. They will lose key pieces all at the same time and in 5 years they won’t look all that much different than they do right now. If they draft as they have demonstrated then they will net 2 decent players from all those picks and will have even more holes to fill YET AGAIN and could actually be WORSE than this 2019 squad.

  45. He better hit on those picks!!! Can’t miss like he did with Charles Harris!!! You can have all the draft capital you want, you still have to pick the right player!!! Those players he has traded were all young proven player… I just hope they finally get it right… Phins Up!!!

  46. mogogo1 says: “Well, losing all 16 certainly is different. Have to give them that.”
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    Any season that you don’t win a Super Bowl is a disappointment. Winning a couple of extra games won’t change that fact, but I guess if you’re into moral victories…

  47. footballpat says: “You can’t line up a ton of 1st and 2nd round picks for one year because four years down the road that freight will come due when all those players come off their rookie contracts”
    ———————-

    History tells us the hit rate on 1st round picks is about 50%. 2nd rounders drops to about 1/3 hit rate. Keep the ones that succeed and dump the busts.

  48. If Miami continues to lose games like the first two games of the season,
    would or should the Dolphins replace head coach Brian Flores ???

    ??? Jim Harbaugh ??? Miami Dolphins head coach in 2020 ???

  49. People keep commenting that we are building solely from the draft. Next year in 2020 the Fins will have plenty of cap space to sign a few nice free agents. Hopefully O-line, DE, or Corner! Have a little faith in this process. If they fail, Grier will be gone..

  50. Miami has 14 picks at the moment in next years draft and probably a minimum of $160 mil in cap space. They can get 30 players at $5 million each and sign their draft class as well. As far as Grier goes, he had been there a long time, but never in the top position as GM, so only Ross knows who advocated for what the last 10-12 years. Considering that Tannenbaum destroyed both the jets and dolphins now, I’d say Grier didn’t have much final say until this past draft. This can be a quick rebuild IF they pick the right qb. Btw, players will play in Miami once reopens the checkbook.

  51. “If Miami continues to lose games like the first two games of the season,
    would or should the Dolphins replace head coach Brian Flores ???”

    Flores is a good coach who after taking the job saw the roster gutted before his eyes including trading the starting LT and a starting receiver a week before the first regular season game.

    Blame the GM and ownership, not Flores. Outside of the large paychecks he’s getting I expect he’s sorry he took the job. Making Flores the target for what the GM did won’t help anything and will set them back further.

  52. “Any season that you don’t win a Super Bowl is a disappointment. ”

    True but 31 teams don’t win the Super Bowl ever year, and the goal for all those other teams is to provide good, quality entertainment for their fans.

    Providing a competitive team that’s entertaining to watch even if they don’t win the Super Bowl is what we all expect from our teams. If they do that then they have been successful to a degree, and the fans will be generally happy.

  53. Tanking is a viable way to rebuild a team. The optics won’t be pleasant so you just have to hold your nose and go through the process. I like what they are doing.

  54. Interesting comments from desperate fans who think that the team was so bad in the last few years that a revolution was necessary and they couldn’t be worse. Reminds me of Venezuela, just a disaster from a leader who has no clue what he is doing. You can’t compare the Dolphins to the Browns as Grier is so far from John Dorsey who is a proven executive. The bomb will explode in Griers hand and we Dolphins fans, will have another 20 years of crap. I don’t blame Grier, I blame the owner Steve Ross that fired the idiot of Tannembaun just to promote his right hand. Bring a proven winner to lead the Dolphins, not an idiot who tries to be a hero….Wish we could get respect from teams like when Shula was in charge.

  55. @GMMATGUY:
    “Interesting comments from desperate fans who think that the team was so bad in the last few years that a revolution was necessary and they couldn’t be worse.”
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    And there you have it. It is a matter of preference. Would you want to continue in the throes of mediocrity or do you want a drastic change to try to improve the team significantly. Here is the record the last 10 years …. What am I missing:

    ’09 – 7-9
    ’10 – 7-9
    ’11 – 6-10
    ’12 – 7-9
    ’13 – 8-8
    ’14 – 8-8
    ’15 – 6-10
    ’16 – 10-6
    ’17 – 6-10
    ’18 – 7-9

    Do you really think we we close to being a good team last year? I say we are closer to last year’s team right now than last year to being good. If you want more of the same then the fans also need to be turned over at a 60% clip. And if we don’t hit on these picks and FA’s don’t fret … We will probably be back to winning 6 games in 2021 and beyond.

  56. I really hope the Dolphins don’t draft Tua. In my opinion they should draft Justin Herbert. Better arm and size. Tua’s size concerns me

  57. At least they are competitive (with the Giants) to be the worst team in the NFL. Looking like 0-16. I think they will lead the league!!

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