NFL, Patriots must take swift action regarding latest Antonio Brown allegation

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Taking swift and severe action against Antonio Brown based only on a civil lawsuit would have created a horrible precedent. Not taking swift and severe action against Antonio Brown based on the most recent allegation of misconduct made against him would set an equally horrible precedent.

Brown’s text messages to a woman who had made an unofficial allegation of misconduct against him were intended to deter her from making an official allegation of misconduct, through intimidation and harassment. No employer should allow such behavior to go unpunished.

In a normal workplace, allegations made by one employee against another employee will trigger a clear and unmistakable admonition to the accused: If you intimitidate, harass, or retaliate against the accuser in any way, you will be fired. In the NFL, the entire world is the workplace, thanks to the league’s decision to impose a Personal Conduct Policy that applies in the stadium, out of the stadium, in the season, out of the season, in the country, out of the country.

So with an accuser making unofficial allegations against Brown regarding conduct that would potentially constitute a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy, anything aimed at getting her to not proceed is no different than conduct in a normal workplace that is intended to intimidate or harass an actual or potential accuser.

Thus, if Brown did indeed send those messages, the league should suspend him and/or the Patriots should cut him. Any other outcome would invite other players facing actual or potential accusations to try to scare away the accuser with strong language, claims that the accuser is simply looking to make a money grab, efforts to investigate her background, and subtly menacing efforts to pull the accuser’s children into the situation.

Given that Brown included his own lawyer in the group texts shows that Brown simply didn’t realize the problems inherent to this kind of behavior. Whether he realized it or not, the conduct is unacceptable — and the league and Patriots should take action in response to it, quickly.

209 responses to “NFL, Patriots must take swift action regarding latest Antonio Brown allegation

  1. If Brown plays this week it would be a huge stain on the shield. Do what you say you do Roger…

    Always protect the shield!

    This is a no-brainer Roger. Even the Patriots will thank you.

  2. PFT is going overboard with this. Move swiftly, lol. How is her text message unofficial, but Browns is official? You guys don’t get it, if someone just complains with little to back it up, we would be putting 50% players on some kind of list. Nothing will happen to Brown, like it or not.

  3. “Thus, if Brown did indeed send those messages, the league should suspend him and/or the Patriots should cut him.”

    This is the Patriots we’re talking about, so I will be shocked if either of those happen now. They have a guy indicted on coke charges still starting for them. I’ve heard that there are extenuating circumstances to the charge, but in today’s NFL Goodell normally acts as the judge, jury, and executioner regardless of the circumstances.

  4. After today the longer they wait the worse it looks. Sitting on their hands as the bad behavior piles up is not a plan…

  5. At this point, there are so many issues with him that the NFL could put him on the exempt list without making it appear that they are pre-judging the civil case.

  6. For all the haters, remember the cuffs were just being ratcheted to Aaron Hernandez when they cut him. Pats dobt mess around. The Chiefs on the other hand…

  7. 1. Pats should never have signed him. There was/is enough evidence out there that he is simply a bad guy.

    2. The league / teams need to clear up the grey area between who is responsible for punishing behavior like this. If it is a league matter, the league owes it to the Patriots and other teams to move quickly. If it is a team matter, the Patriots owe it the league and the other teams to move quickly and decisively.

    Allowing both the team and the league to sit back waiting for the other is just wrong.

  8. It seems like this is a daily thing. It’s the daily Brown scandal. Clearly, he thinks he can do what he likes without recourse. And with nothing happening directly to him, you can see why a malfunctioning mind would continue onwards with more of the same, because there is no rock bottom he has to hit.

  9. I couldn’t agree more Mike – we all deserve due process, but intimidating the woman who claimed he harassed her stifles due process.

    He DEFINITELY sent those texts, which means he DEFINITELY denied her due process.

    He shouldn’t have been suspended last week, but I really wish the NE Patriots would suspend him this week.

    What a ****

  10. I’m not quite willing to go directly to banning Brown from the NFL just yet. I still believe in Innocent until proven guilty. However IMO they should suspend him until this all gets sorted out.

  11. Not a Patriots fan, but they probably are set up to win the super bowl without him. In this case, he intimated the witness/accuser which illegal in normal circumstances. Do you really want to further enhance the precedent that based on talent some players are above the law?

  12. “Take action against an allegation”? So much wrong with this, and so much for the presumption of innocence.

  13. harshedmellow says:

    September 20, 2019 at 11:26 am

    Such a huge ego. So little self-awareness. Dude should run for president.
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    I wish i could upvote this a million times.

  14. The way the messages shown read come off as Brown being demeaning to the accuser because of her lack of financial wealth. Obviously because he is angry at the allegation.

    One would believe that most people who actually read the texts among their first thoughts are that Brown is an idiot-moron etc. That being said what about this hypothetical – What if Brown has an i.q. of 75 or less? Which would show Brown to be mentally handicapped. How should Brown’s actions with respects to these texts be viewed if Brown is actually mentally incapable of determining his (texts) to be wrong?

  15. “You should be terrified of me too, b****.”

    Um, remember Tyreek? The puncher of pregnant women. The breaker of children’s arms. The guy “generally aware” of who abused his son.

    Oh, and also the guy who just got a $54 million dollar contract extension.

    Sorry, the NFL set the bar. AB will not be suspended. But he’s probably been told by BB at this point he’s skating on the edge.

  16. No they don’t. The NFL product stinks right now. There have been very few quality games and the QBs are dropping like flies. Controversy is the only thing they have. Next week maybe there will be 5 games with double digit point spreads. Boooooooo

  17. So if the NFL declines to do anything – like the Exempt list – will they need to make a statement? Could their inaction or action (Exempt list) having bearing on the civil case? If I was Browns lawyer, I would claim that it does, either way, since the NFL is a doing a business investigation, not a criminal one. And this SI article and “unofficial accusation” are further affecting the civil case.

  18. tomterrific121212 says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:20 am
    Did Tyreek Hill not make threatening or intimidating messages to his girl as well?

    What are we talking about here?

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    it’s really quite the conundrum isn’t it? Tyreek Hill is a convicted wife beater, and had threatening texts.

    Goodell did nothing because he wants to help KC beat NE.

    Now look at him. If he does something, it will appear to be more obvious cheating.

    BB is brilliant. He’s basically calling out Goodell’s decade-long cheating approaches simply by Brown being on the team.

  19. If anyone here did the same thing at their jobs we would be on the outside looking in. NFL players should be no different. Your making millions of dollars, if anything they should be held to a higher standard.

  20. Why, Florio, “must” the NFL and/or the Patriots take action regarding AB?
    If the NFL and/or Patriots do ANYTHING to discipline AB, they will be criticized by the NFLPA and the media for doing so.
    Plus, any discipline against AB be fought by the NFLPA anyway. When the discipline is reduced, you will blame the NFL and Roger Goodell instead of reporting that De Smith and his NFLPA fought, legally, on AB’s behalf to reduce the suspension.
    So no matter what actions the NFL and/or Patriots takes, or does not take, you will make sure that in the public forum the NFL and/or Patriots are always seen as the bad guys.

  21. Hope Pats cut him, he’s not worth it. Crazy is one thing, a possible criminal is another. And strange that the NFL ignored Peyton sending a goon impersonating a law enforcement official to intimidate Charlie Sly his family’s HGH guy.

  22. Jimmy Smith left a voice mail where he yelled at his girlfriend. No threats just yelling and got suspended 4 games last year for it. Hill threatened his girl over the phone and got nothing. Who knows what Brown gets with his past behavior and the NFL’s inconsistancy. Personally I thought Brown should have been suspended after chucking chairs out of a high rise window but maybe I’m old fashioned.

  23. There is a huge difference between AB and Hill and don’t c how so many ppl keep trying to make the comparison. Hill is still w his wife and his wife isn’t making claims or pressing any charges against him. In fact it’s the opposite both Hill and his wife are united together in their stories as they are still married.

  24. tylawspick6 says:

    Goodell did nothing because he wants to help KC beat NE.

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    Drop the conspiracy theories. If AB was on another team the Patriots fans would be saying he has to go. I can not see how anyone can defend this guy or his actions.

  25. No, they don’t have to do anything. You know why? It’s because this is all manufactured. Don’t let the media being the media get in the way of reality. Mark it down, Brown is playing the rest of the games this season.

  26. aldavisisthenfl says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:20 am
    Patriots don’t care, only see the talent…

    How is that different from any other team.

    If the Patriots didn’t pick him up another team would have

    If the Patriots cut him today ( I’m fine with that if they do )
    Another team will sign him by next week.

  27. The Patriots need to look past the skills and talent and do the right thing,which is to cut him. He is not a good human being. If they don’t that,then he should be suspended.

  28. The League’s personal conduct policy seems clear: “We must endeavor at all times to be people of high character; we must show respect for others inside and outside our workplace; and we must strive to conduct ourselves in ways that favorably reflect on ourselves, our teams, the communities we represent, and the NFL.”

    Perhaps they forgot the part about “except if you are a really, really good player on the number one team”

  29. This is not about the Pats. Brown has done nothing against the organization. This is on the NFL. As with THill, the league should decide. NFL didn’t suspend him, and he’s playing. If the NFL auspends Brown,fine

  30. Ff anything is done to AB by Roger it will clearly show that the NFL is corrupt and any wins by Kansas City should be asterisked noting the win was not by play and talent but by Roger influencing the win. Tyreek Hill a convicted woman beater, being investigated by the police made similar if not worse threatening calls and got an atta boy, good job from Clark, Andy and Roger, so why should AB be suspended if Tyreek who is still the one previous convicted of domestic abuse not be suspended for similar action.

    By-the-way my opinion both Tyreek and AB should be gone from the NFL, and if the NFL and Roger actually cared about stopping sexual assault and domestic abuse, which they clearly don’t, Reid and Dorsey should be gone too. Roger and the NFL need to be removed from giving judgment on these cases.

  31. To be fair, the Patriots don’t HAVE to do anything. If the NFL elects to pursue an actionable item, that’s their prerogative. But good press or bad press, pound your #METOO chest and multiple gendered feelings all you want. These knee jerk corporate media and social media overreactions are given way too much attention. It’s worse than the purported offenses they decry. Let the United States court of jurisprudence take it’s process and let the chips fall where they lie. So sick of social media and television talking heads telling anyone what they NEED to do, as if your opinion matters at all, because it doesn’t.

  32. Has to be punished?
    Really?
    She’s NOT a fellow employee of the NFL, so your assertion is flawed, Florio!

    His texts don’t appear to have an overt physical threat
    She’s not in imminent danger, right?
    Not sure NFL SHOULD do anything yet

  33. EVERY response to this article seems to be oblivious to the fact that the NFLPA is fighting for AB, behind the scenes
    and not reported, against the NFL in order to subvert any discipline against AB.
    This IS happening and De Smith knows that the media willfully fails to report the actions of the NFLPA to the public.
    Anytime a player screws up, the NFLPA starts working his case to protect him from discipline from his employer.
    How do ALL of you people forget this?
    SMH.

  34. “They have a guy indicted on coke charges still starting for them. I’ve heard that there are extenuating circumstances to the charge”

    Extenuating circumstances? Yeah he wasn’t at the property for weeks, there was a small quantity on a counter the cops found when they responded to a burglar alarm going off, and it was almost certainly left by either construction workers who had recently been in there or relatives who had access to property. He was charged as a matter of course as property owner but not likely this was his.

    That’s why the legal process should play out.

  35. My God Florio, you are a lawyer. You should know better. Your bias is astounding.

    AB is a skid, no denying it. He has a civil accusation against him, Big Ben had two and the NFL took no action. the precedent is set there. As far as these texts? They are nothing compared to the atrocious actions of Tyreek Hill. Are they fine? No. But they are personal and far less of an issue than the NFL has let go already. The precedent is set. AB is a skid, but until something is proven in court nothing should happen given the bed the NFL has already made for itself.

  36. A. AB’s lack of control is concerning for him, personally. Does not seem stable.

    B. There is such a thing as a right to work law that means that the league and union should not interfere with making a living.

    C. Virtue signalling aside, the employer is not responsible for the behavior of its employees, except in the workplace.

  37. The continued arrogance coming out of Foxboro is just nauseating. What is it going to take for the league to step in and do what the Patriots don’t have the Integrity to do and that’s get rid of this scumbag. I tell you what anyone that thinks the Patriots are great and dominant needs to pull their head out of the sand and realize easy schedules year after year and the league that doesn’t call any penalties on a starting offensive line made up of guys off the street is just unbelievable.

  38. “If anyone here did the same thing at their jobs we would be on the outside looking in. ”

    First of all if any person in a normal job was involved in this kind of thing the employer might well not even be aware of it. Secondly, as long as that employee did not miss work they would probably retain their job until the legal wheels turned.

  39. he denies and responds to the allegations of bad behavior by exhibiting the behavior he is alleged to have exhibited.

    ab is truly enlightened.

  40. Due process, evidence, innocent til proven guilty are all dead. Replaced by overactive media, allegations, texts and twitter feeds.

    How again were these messages intimidating? I can’t stand AB, but I’d like to wait a bit til they have a chance to sort this out before we “Ban him for life”. I really hope that most of the commenters here NEVER serve on a jury…

    Shame on you Florio, you know better.

  41. BB is brilliant. He’s basically calling out Goodell’s decade-long cheating approaches simply by Brown being on the team.

    This is wrong on so many levels because it more than about a game. AB threatened a woman and her kids….what is wrong with you? If it were your daughter being threatened by your teams star player what would you do,,,,knowing you it would be the player you would defend because you are that kind of sick fan…..but if its any consolation there lots more sicko fanboys that think like you do……karma

  42. Actually, in most employment situations the response to a situation like this would be what is known as progressive discipline. That process starts with a verbal warning, if the behavior persists it would be followed by a written warning, and if that is not heeded, a suspension or a termination would ensue.

  43. I wonder how much the chiefs are paying the pats fans to be living in there head. every bit of pats drama the popular response seems to be but .. but .. the chiefs

  44. cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:41 am
    tylawspick6 says:

    Goodell did nothing because he wants to help KC beat NE.

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    Drop the conspiracy theories. If AB was on another team the Patriots fans would be saying he has to go. I can not see how anyone can defend this guy or his actions.

    4 0 Rate This

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    How is money into different markets and parity a “conspiracy”?

    Tyreek Hill was not suspended or put on the exempt list for his more violently threatening charges.

  45. bradysknee says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:47 am

    My God Florio, you are a lawyer. You should know better. Your bias is astounding.

    AB is a skid, no denying it. He has a civil accusation against him, Big Ben had two and the NFL took no action. the precedent is set there. As far as these texts? They are nothing compared to the atrocious actions of Tyreek Hill. Are they fine? No. But they are personal and far less of an issue than the NFL has let go already. The precedent is set. AB is a skid

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    You keep calling Brown a “skid”. Just curious, what’s a skid?

  46. I don’t find those messages “intimidating.”
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    Okay….but I suppose it’s not your comfort level that matters here, right?!
    Perhaps it’s the accuser’s question to answer.

  47. His lawyer, his family, his closest friends……someone should be getting Antonio Brown the mental health support he needs. There’s obviously something very wrong with the guy.

    Was he always this way in Pittsburgh or has it just been the last few years????

  48. Pats fans bringing up Tyreek Hill. LOL. Yeah dude Hill is a POS but so is Brown. Because the league failed to do anything to Hill doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get rid of Brown.

    Belicheck is a POS who only cares about winning. Some things truly are more important. This is just another stain on their legacy.

    Yall still doubting he raped that girl?

  49. And ban brady 4 games for being “generally aware” antonio brown exists.
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    Funny!

  50. Only way the Pats do anything first is if he flips out on them in a meeting or goes AWOL. Otherwise, they’ll keep playing him until the NFL does something.

  51. Yeah, AB is stupid, but do we now give carte blanche to anyone that can make an accusation without having to face the accused? She did not accuse him in a court of law, why should he not be able to face her in her chosen venue. I am tired of accusations alone destroying people’s lives.

  52. bradysknee says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:47 am
    My God Florio, you are a lawyer. You should know better. Your bias is astounding.

    AB is a skid, no denying it. He has a civil accusation against him, Big Ben had two and the NFL took no action. the precedent is set there. As far as these texts?

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    Ben was suspended for like 6 games dude. Be less stupid please.

  53. Should be called the National FELON League
    Patrick Chung can be the poster child.
    Teams a disgrace.
    Judging by the way the Owner Bob Kraft denies wrongdoing soliciting prostitution, it appears this type of behavior is taught that it’s okay as long as you have enough money to fight it in court, while regular people would be thrown in prison.
    Scumbag Owner and Scumbag organization…
    All you Patriots fans should be proud

  54. tajuara says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:43 am
    Patriots don’t care, only see the talent…

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    Every NFL team does the same

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    2 teams already got rid of him for lesser things.

  55. And the worst part is that Brown saw fit to inject the worman’s CHILDREN into this controversy and even included photographs of the kids. On that basis alone Briw should be banned by the league forever.

  56. tigerlilac says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:40 am
    “In the NFL, the entire world is the workplace.”

    Florio, that’s absurd.

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    Why did you cut off the rest of the Florio’s comment? He went on to explain his reasoning.

    “In the NFL, the entire world is the workplace, (here’s where you cut it off and put a period) thanks to the league’s decision to impose a Personal Conduct Policy that applies in the stadium, out of the stadium, in the season, out of the season, in the country, out of the country.”

  57. Della Street says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:21 am
    I don’t find those messages “intimidating.”

    The next time you see your boss, Perry Mason, ask him if he’ll explain it to you.

  58. It really is funny how quickly people forget about Tyreek Hill or some of these other guys, i.e; Greg Hardy. The NFL is doing the same thing they have done for years.

  59. billsmafia772 says:
    September 20, 2019 at 12:06 pm
    Should be called the National FELON League
    Patrick Chung can be the poster child.
    Teams a disgrace.
    Judging by the way the Owner Bob Kraft denies wrongdoing soliciting prostitution, it appears this type of behavior is taught that it’s okay as long as you have enough money to fight it in court, while regular people would be thrown in prison.
    Scumbag Owner and Scumbag organization…
    All you Patriots fans should be proud

    #crybaby

  60. “This is not about the Pats. Brown has done nothing against the organization.”

    Disagree. He knew about the pending civil suit and kept it from the team. That’s lying. In KC, that’s what got Kareem Hunt cut. AB, on the other hand, started last Sunday. In KC, Hill was suspended by the team until the investigations were concluded. At a minimum, the Pats need to sit this guy down and BB needs to stop stonewalling and address the issue publicly.

  61. I guess what bothers me the most, is no one cares about whether he is guilty or innocent. They just want to hang him out to dry without all of the facts. You all must be crazy if someone said something about you that wasn’t true that you wouldn’t say something back. Florio has been against him since he left the Raiders.

  62. observantfan says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:48 am
    The continued arrogance coming out of Foxboro is just nauseating. What is it going to take for the league to step in and do what the Patriots don’t have the Integrity to do and that’s get rid of this scumbag. I tell you what anyone that thinks the Patriots are great and dominant needs to pull their head out of the sand and realize easy schedules year after year and the league that doesn’t call any penalties on a starting offensive line made up of guys off the street is just unbelievable.

    Then I assume you are nauseated by the arrogance coming out of Kansas City for NOT suspending Tyreek Hill? I’m not defending Brown, but what Hill did was horrible. Where is your outrage about that??

  63. He needs to be punished in some manner. I’ve never seen someone get away with so much and keep getting rewarded for all his misbehaving

  64. There is a huge difference between AB and Hill and don’t c how so many ppl keep trying to make the comparison. Hill is still w his wife and his wife isn’t making claims or pressing any charges against him

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    This woman isnt pressing charges either. Nor does she have a civil suit against him, yet. In fact, there are NO charges against AB yet at all, just the civil suit. And while AB’s threat in the texts was not overt, Hills was clear. “You better be afraid of me too” is pretty clear.

    Both guys are garbage, don’t try to ever make Hill out to be misunderstood or a good guy, hes not. AB isnt either.

    But the fact remains that because the NFL did nothing to Hill, its going to be hard for them to do something to AB for comments that, while still bad, arent as clear a threat as the ones that Hill made.
    No way you can say that AB

  65. savethebs says:
    September 20, 2019 at 12:05 pm
    Pats fans bringing up Tyreek Hill. LOL. Yeah dude Hill is a POS but so is Brown. Because the league failed to do anything to Hill doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get rid of Brown.

    Belicheck is a POS who only cares about winning. Some things truly are more important. This is just another stain on their legacy.

    Yall still doubting he raped that girl?

    So Belichick is a POS? What do you call Andy Reid who just gave Tyreek Hill a 3 year $54 million contract extension?

  66. Well I’ve been an adamant supporter saying nothing should be done based on the allegations by the woman who’s already admitted that she asked to be paid off to go away, but I can’t stand behind this it’s clearly intimidation. Never ever put it out there via text or email that can be saved to be used against you later…WOW…End this now New England it’s definitely in your best interest at this point

  67. crybaby

    Typical response for a Fanboy who cares about only himself and his TEAM. Were the people AB is intimidating related to him I doubt if he would stand up to him not because he is just a coward but because he is jst an immature fan who sees the world thr the success or failure of men playing a game…a game for god sakes. Wake up sonny there is more to life than a game.

  68. The Pats don’t have to do anything. BB’s press conference is example of the media trying to bully him. He just said thanks and left.

  69. 1. The intimidation/retaliation is worse than the actual offense.
    2. The NFL messed this up by setting precedent with Hill. They remain a bumbling three ring circus.
    3. The Pats need to let him go.

  70. For those bringing up Patrick Chung you don’t seem to know the story. Cocaine was found at a house he was not even in residence at. It was his vacation home, he was at training camp, and there were contractors working at the house the whole time.

  71. Someone please explain Due Process to the “lawyer” Florio. The league has started an investigation and should be allowed to complete it and make a judgement based on all the facts.

  72. observantfan says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:48 am
    The continued arrogance coming out of Foxboro is just nauseating. What is it going to take for the league to step in and do what the Patriots don’t have the Integrity to do and that’s get rid of this scumbag. I tell you what anyone that thinks the Patriots are great and dominant needs to pull their head out of the sand and realize easy schedules year after year and the league that doesn’t call any penalties on a starting offensive line made up of guys off the street is just unbelievable.
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    Your post would have been a lot shorter if you would have just said “I HATE THE PATRIOTS!”

    Why were the Pats tied for 7th in offensive holding calls last year with 24? The #1 penalized team for offensive holding was 32 penalties. You are right, the league called a whole 8 less penalties than the top penalized offensive holding team. Once again your facts astound me. Your arrogance of thinking you know things is just unbelievable.

  73. September 20, 2019 at 12:22 pm
    crybaby

    Typical response for a Fanboy who cares about only himself and his TEAM. Were the people AB is intimidating related to him I doubt if he would stand up to him not because he is just a coward but because he is jst an immature fan who sees the world thr the success or failure of men playing a game…a game for god sakes. Wake up sonny there is more to life than a game.

    Nope , that’s all it’s about. The NFL is a business of winning.
    AB didn’t kill anyone and we don’t know if he committed the civil crime he’s accused of. RIGHT??

    All teams have players of questionable character . RIGHT??

    The Browns signed the RB the Chiefs cut while he was suspended
    The Chiefs gave Hill a new contract and he’s on audio threatening his girlfriend. RIGHT??

    Teams have signed or given players 2nd chances ALL THE TIME

    The QB for your team was accused TWICE of RAPE by 2 different women. RIGHT??

    Again, IF the Patriots cut him today (AND I AM OKAY WITH THAT)
    Another team will pick him up

    And IF you don’t think that will happen YOURE CRAZY

    And TOM BRADY still OWNS your SORRY Steelers!!!!

  74. You people are funny. All this unctuous compassion for this woman and finger wagging at the Patriots. You’re just as driven by your rooting interest — your “religion” — as any Patriots fan. Stop pretending to care about her.

  75. Wait. I am no Fan of AB, but because he said she was broke in a text, has a lot kids and out for money and should be investigated means he should be suspended? Am I missing something here? If she was so offended by him coming out naked why didn’t she pack her things up and leave? She finished the mural first?

    I am not absolving AB of his actions however if what she is saying is true how on earth does one prove that? I see nothing threatening or intimidating in hisbtext messages. This really getting goofy.

  76. All I need to know is that he put a picture of this woman’s kids on his Twitter comment. Commenting about this woman is one thing, bringing her children into it goes way beyond acceptable. That’s about as low as you can go.

  77. No, they shouldn’t. Brown is making the situation worst by acting like a child but not breaking any laws or personal conduct policies.

    When you really think about it, this is exactly what our “president” does anyway. Whenever Trump faces any accusations or negative media coverage, he harasses the person through social media.

  78. fmiaakammqbpft says:
    September 20, 2019 at 12:37 pm
    Any chance of an article comparing Tyreek Hill’s situation to Antonio Brown’s, and then comparing the punishments?
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    What punishments?

  79. “I’ve never seen someone get away with so much and keep getting rewarded for all his misbehaving”

    Donald Trump, about 100,000 x as bad as Brown

  80. Exactly
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    Kolo Jezdec says:
    September 20, 2019 at 12:42 pm
    fmiaakammqbpft says:
    September 20, 2019 at 12:37 pm
    Any chance of an article comparing Tyreek Hill’s situation to Antonio Brown’s, and then comparing the punishments?
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    What punishments?

  81. Wrong Florio.

    He has the same rights to due process as you or I.

    I’m a Bills fan, hate the Pats and Brown is a scumbag. But your lefty gibberish is worse.

    Stick to football.

  82. Omg. There was a book that came out in 1998 called Pros and Cons. Read it. There have been players like AB in the NFL for years. aB is an idiot no doubt, but if he were still on the raiders this most likely would not come out. That’s a fact.

  83. The pats take a lot of flak. It would do them some good PR to release him if they suspect the league is about to suspend him. No way he was playing next year on that contract, if he’s no good to them this year might as well get the good PR

  84. this is not an employer issue, florio. this is a private issue. all he said was she is poor and has kids, almost blaming her for putting her kids in a bad situation.

    i think this is a classic overreaction.

  85. the Patriot fan’s trying to excuse Browns behavior because of Tyreek Hill ….. SMH … they are both scumbags.

  86. patsfan says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:26 am

    1. Pats should never have signed him. There was/is enough evidence out there that he is simply a bad guy.

    2. The league / teams need to clear up the grey area between who is responsible for punishing behavior like this. If it is a league matter, the league owes it to the Patriots and other teams to move quickly. If it is a team matter, the Patriots owe it the league and the other teams to move quickly and decisively.

    Allowing both the team and the league to sit back waiting for the other is just wrong.
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    If the Pats hadn’t of signed him, the Chiefs would have, he’s just their kind of Schmuck

  87. My disclaimer: Brown’s definitely a narcissistic jerk.

    But this wasn’t a formal accusation in a formal environment. This isn’t a formal complaint filed with HR in the workplace, or a police report, or a civil suit. This is a personal acquaintance from his private life saying something in a news story written by someone intending to dig up dirt.

    Imagine for a moment you’ve been falsely accused of something by someone that you read in a newspaper story. Who do you go to to complain? There is no context for it. You contact the person.

    He did it in a disdainful and mean-spirited way, but again – take away the presumption of guilt and consider the above context, and I don’t think it really fits the way you’re trying to frame it.

    Yeah, he’s a jerk. But we still need to be accurate.

  88. Isn’t this beyond the exempt list now? I think he should be given a 6 game suspension with the understanding that additional punishment can be given if/when more evidence comes to light as a result of the civil trial.

  89. All I need to know is that he put a picture of this woman’s kids on his Twitter comment. Commenting about this woman is one thing, bringing her children into it goes way beyond acceptable. That’s about as low as you can go.
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    Morally its wrong but not illegal nor threatening. There is no question AB is a bona-fide fool and first class idiot. But we are talking about legalities. If he had posted those pics and was like “watch your back” or had pic of them in cross hairs I would say that would be threatening. But he was referring to her not the kids.

  90. How many New York fans are outraged that Aaron Boone pitched German on Wednesday despite knowing that he was being investigated for smacking his baby mama around? Is Boone a POS? How many Kansas City fans hate Andy Reid for keeping and rewarding Hill? POS? How many Pittsburgh fans cheer Big Ben, who was twice credibly accused of rape and also intimidated witnesses.

    I’m no Mona Lisa Vito of personal conduct policies but people’s reactions are largely about whose jersey is getting soiled.

  91. NFL is a joke! Adrian Peterson takes a switch to his kid and is suspended for year. No consistency with as much crap this guy has got away with!

  92. The precedent was already set. Tyreek Hill was accused of and plead guilty to similar/worse than these allegations. Was he even suspended for a game?

  93. the Patriot fan’s trying to excuse Browns behavior because of Tyreek Hill ….. SMH … they are both scumbags.
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    So are a lot of Catholic priests, politicians, big pharm companies, etc. and none of them get scrutinized “consistently” like this….sdmh.

  94. Yeah, right. We would not even be to this point if the Raiders and NFL had a set. So where was the NFL when Brown threatened Mayock with physical violence and called him a racial slur that was witnessed by many!? This guy seems to be untouchable. All of this is clearly both the Raiders’ and the NFL front office’s fault. The Raiders held all of his cards. They could have simply suspended him the entire year without pay (behavior detrimental to team / NFL personal conduct policy)and more importantly could have kept him from going to the Patriots which is where he wanted to go all along. Both the Raiders and the NFL hold all the fault here. Brown is just being who he has always been, and the rest of the league turns a blind eye to it. Incredible.

  95. “Actually, in most employment situations the response to a situation like this would be what is known as progressive discipline. That process starts with a verbal warning, if the behavior persists it would be followed by a written warning, and if that is not heeded, a suspension or a termination would ensue.”
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    What you’re listing is only for small infractions. When you get into things like employee harassment and intimidation, that’s grounds for immediate termination at the companies I’ve worked for (Raytheon and Honeywell Aerospace).

  96. The picture of the children…..that doesn’t go over well with fathers and AB may end up with much, much more serious issues.

  97. Once you’ve sent these messages and then send out a picture of the person’s children, you’ve gone waaayy to far and anyone would take that as a threat. He’s needs to be put on the exempt list now.

  98. Pats fans keep referring to Tyreek Hill and his non-suspension….big difference here is AB is in the middle of a lawsuit and was texting a potential witness.

  99. tb12bestqbevah says:
    September 20, 2019 at 11:30 am
    “You should be terrified of me too, b****.”

    Um, remember Tyreek? The puncher of pregnant women. The breaker of children’s arms. The guy “generally aware” of who abused his son.

    Oh, and also the guy who just got a $54 million dollar contract extension.

    Sorry, the NFL set the bar. AB will not be suspended. But he’s probably been told by BB at this point he’s skating on the edge.
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    While I agree with you, we are not talking about Tyreek Hill. This is not a “well he did it and got away with it” situation. Don’t try to justify this idiot’s actions by bringing up another idiot’s actions.

  100. bigbenisabigbaby says:
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    While I agree with you, we are not talking about Tyreek Hill. This is not a “well he did it and got away with it” situation. Don’t try to justify this idiot’s actions by bringing up another idiot’s actions.
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    The point is, the precedent has been set.

  101. While I agree with you, we are not talking about Tyreek Hill. This is not a “well he did it and got away with it” situation. Don’t try to justify this idiot’s actions by bringing up another idiot’s actions.

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    No one is justifying his actions. Pretty much everyone is saying they are both scumbags. What we are pointing out is that if the NFL was to suspend Brown for what he said, it would be inconsistent to the actions they took with Hill, with Hills actions actually being worse.

    If you are taking that as justifying his actions, then you need to take a reading comprehension class.

  102. What you all have wrong is Tyreek was suspended by the Chiefs pending the outcome of the police investigation.

    The Chiefs didn’t wait, they suspended first. No way the Pats o that until he’s led off in cuffs.

  103. Brown is a complete idiot we all know that.

    but you want him fired for sending text messages that hurt her feelings? Tyreek hill strait up threatened his wife, choked her when she was prego and some how his 3 year old broke his arm and nobody knows how.

    and he got a contract extension.

  104. Michael says:

    September 20, 2019 at 1:34 pm

    What you all have wrong is Tyreek was suspended by the Chiefs pending the outcome of the police investigation.

    The Chiefs didn’t wait, they suspended first. No way the Pats o that until he’s led off in cuffs.
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    How many regular season games did Tyreek miss? It’s easy to suspend someone in the offseason.

  105. tlb44 says:
    September 20, 2019 at 1:02 pm
    Pats fans keep referring to Tyreek Hill and his non-suspension….big difference here is AB is in the middle of a lawsuit and was texting a potential witness.
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    The person he texted remains anonymous and as such by definition could not be a witness against him. Anonymous means the plaintiff in his case doesn’t know who she is in case it was unclear to you.

  106. Shame on Brown for defending himself against defamatory comments. No one should be able to do that. People should be able to make anything up to permanently damage someones reputation and you should just take it.

  107. “How many regular season games did Tyreek miss? It’s easy to suspend someone in the offseason.”

    So he didn’t miss games so the suspension didn’t count? The guy was vilified nationally and almost lost his career before the truth came out. Pretty sure it counted, missed games or not.

  108. if this guy is on the field Sunday, it might be the final nail in the coffin of my life as an NFL fan. Between the glorification of horrible humans and the incessant flag throwing and horror show officiating, this product is getting harder and harder to defend liking.

  109. so, how is that SWIFT action coming? It’s been hours and yet, Brown has no punishment. Maybe the Patriots aren’t going to overreact like the media does.

  110. terrystown says:
    September 20, 2019 at 1:25 pm
    The messages themselves aren’t threatening. They’re childish nonsense. Including the pictures of her kids is way over the line though.

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    including the pics of her kids is a direct threat without having to use words. Ever borrow money from somebody who didn’t work at a bank? ever hear them casually say “what grade is little Suzie in now? Still at XYZ Heights Elementary?” Same thing.

  111. Just like I said before and was criticized for. This type of behavior and his previous behavior wouldn’t fly at any other workplace. He needs to be removed from his job immediately.

  112. whatsazj says:
    September 20, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    Just like I said before and was criticized for. This type of behavior and his previous behavior wouldn’t fly at any other workplace. He needs to be removed from his job immediately.

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    In terms of his locker room behavior, and missing practices in Oak, etc, true.

    However, as terrible as the the lawsuit is, it would be hard to fired for cause by any employer without criminal charges.

  113. Including pictures of the kids? You gotta be kidding? That’s an inherent threat.
    I’m a Pats fan and I’d love to have seen what this guy could do but this is absurd.
    He’s literally been with the Patriots for days and I’m already sick and tired of him.
    This guy’s nothing but a headache and quite obviously, a bad person.

  114. ktoast says:
    September 20, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    terrystown says:
    September 20, 2019 at 1:25 pm
    The messages themselves aren’t threatening. They’re childish nonsense. Including the pictures of her kids is way over the line though.

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    including the pics of her kids is a direct threat without having to use words. Ever borrow money from somebody who didn’t work at a bank? ever hear them casually say “what grade is little Suzie in now? Still at XYZ Heights Elementary?” Same thing.

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    I thought what he did was wrong, but my impression was that he was saying she had many kids, which with his twisted logic means that she would be coming after him for money. I didn’t think he was threatening the kids, but your point is very valid. Interpreting it that way makes it a threat.

  115. whatsazj says:
    September 20, 2019 at 2:16 pm
    Just like I said before and was criticized for. This type of behavior and his previous behavior wouldn’t fly at any other workplace. He needs to be removed from his job immediately.

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    So you should fire everyone who gets sued or sends nasty texts??? Better hope someone doesn’t decide to sue you some day. Do you immediately report someone is suing you to your employer so you can face discipline for it at work as well as in the courts? I believe not terminating someone for being sued or sending nasty texts would very much fly in every workplace in America.

  116. patrickvwashington says:
    September 20, 2019 at 2:56 pm
    So where was the proof that he actually sent the message? Oh yea, there’s that.

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    It’s been confirmed by multiple reliable people that he sent the messages. So I don’t think that’s in question.

  117. This trash team won’t take any action. Goodell has no guts to do anything to his best friend krafts team. Most dispicable organization in sports

  118. ktoast says:
    September 20, 2019 at 2:13 pm
    if this guy is on the field Sunday, it might be the final nail in the coffin of my life as an NFL fan. Between the glorification of horrible humans and the incessant flag throwing and horror show officiating, this product is getting harder and harder to defend liking.

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    Stop reading this stuff if it’s bothering you. It’s nothing new. Take a look at any era of players. Social media amplifies everything, but you could still just tune in on Sunday and watch and not follow NFL media. As far as the flags and officiating you are right, but it’s still the greatest sport there is.

  119. Nailed it Florio…Hope AB gets the help he needs and the women he has harassed (or worse) can find some peace.

  120. I think they are waiting for the nfl to step in and put him on the exempt list. They cut him he will be on another team by friday

  121. Patriots are not taking action. Spygate and major fines/lost pick, Deflategate drama, TB suspended 4 games, remember that lone enforcment of the defensive line pushing call giving the JETS a win? LOL, NE is not voluntarily giving an opponent an advantage by benching a talented player. Get real! Goodell needs to rule on it or NE keeps playing him – they paid him, they’re playing him. Opponents fans can cry in their beers after each shellacking.

  122. C’mon we’re talking about the patriots here. Goodell would never do anything to hurt his favorite team. Hell, he let Kraft get off the hook for prostitution. No sort of discipline will happen here either

  123. If at some point in time actual proof presents itself about what is currently nothing more than a “He Said / She Said” accusation….then some disciplinary action may be warranted. Until then…it is nothing but an accusation and in this country we do not punish people based on accusations without any proof to back them up. With regards to the mural artist / loin cloth / AB recent text to her situation: So what?…she’s not pressing charges so it’s not like it’s “witness intimidation”. It’s a nothing burger. Play on!

  124. savethebs says:
    September 20, 2019 at 12:05 pm
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    Ben was suspended for like 6 games dude. Be less stupid please.

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    4 Games and that is a dramatically different situation. Ben was investigated criminally and settled civilly. AB denies it entirely and has never had any investigation against him. Be less stupid please.

  125. Why don;t we pull the curtains back on some of things these owners do behind close doors. I would bet a $100.00 a lot of it makes AB look like a saint. The n.f.l.=NATIONAL FAKE LEAGUE

  126. So we get a damned if you do, damned if you don’t admission that there is no right way to proceed, then assert with no evidence to support the assertion that there IS a right way to proceed and the only right way is to discipline Brown, even with no wrongdoing indicated? These are texts with crude language we are talking about. There are no threats issued. No admissions of wrongdoing in them. When Tyreek Hill ON TAPE said “you need to be terrified of me, too” he wasn’t suspended a day. But that’s the Chiefs. Can’t have the Hunt family upset with the commish. What has NFL “fans” up in arms is that Brown plays for the Patriots now. If not for that, he’d be admonished to refine his language and then the matter would be dropped.

  127. Anyone whom doubts the Pats get favored treatment need only consider what happened to Ravens CB Jimmy Smith in 2008 (following from 2018 SI article):

    “The NFL announced Tuesday that Ravens cornerback Jimmy Smith will be suspended for the first four games of the season for violating the league’s personal conduct policy. The Ravens released a statement saying, ‘The NFL found evidence of threatening and emotionally abusive behaviors by Jimmy toward his former girlfriend that showed a pattern of improper conduct. Our player’s behavior was inappropriate and wrong.’

    The behaviors? Sending text messages in a child custody dispute that were “abusive”.

  128. Big distinction between the Hill case and the Brown case. Hill’s wife has not pressed for any action against him, on the contrary she wants him to play. This woman sent the texts to the NFL (Brown’s employer) to get him to stop harassing her. The alleged victim in each case is expressing their wishes. That is a big factor in considering action. It gives the NFL leeway to suspend Brown despite not suspending Hill for a similar act.

  129. Michael says:
    September 20, 2019 at 1:34 pm
    What you all have wrong is Tyreek was suspended by the Chiefs pending the outcome of the police investigation.

    The Chiefs didn’t wait, they suspended first. No way the Pats o that until he’s led off in cuffs.

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    Could they pacify you if they suspend Brown for a couple of months in the offseason? Sounds like a pretty easy deal to reach with the Patriots haters.

  130. You all don’t see what’s happening here. He structured his contract with the Raiders so that it was easy for them to get out of it. He missed all offseason activities with a fabricated injury, then constructed a situation where the Raiders had to cut him (since they could so easily). Then, he goes to the Pats, signs with significant guarantees, and a story “materializes” one day later that should shock the football world. When he’s not placed on the Commissioner’s Exempt list immediately, he “harrasses” the woman he victimized (with his lawyer copied) to get everybody’s attention again and force their hand.

    The man does not want to play football. He wants to walk away with his guarantees and be done with it.

  131. The argument that everyone in the world is a coworker of all NFL employees is silly. Under that standard Tom Brady should be fired for trying to intimidate officials with his twitter feed.

  132. Pats fans are looking like absolute morons now. Especially after they were so excited about AB while previously trashing him when he was with the Steelers. And Belicheck was a buffoon today walking out on the media.

  133. @bullcharger and leroyjr907. I’m not going to say what my job is but if I’d have done the same thing that AB did with his text messages and emails I’d be for sure let go by my employer. Not necessary to have criminal charges against me for that to happen. You are a representative of your employer on and off.

  134. Just put the blame where everyone knows it lies… AB was straight until Burfict hit him in the head. 😜

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