Patriots decline to pay the first installment of Antonio Brown’s signing bonus

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If former Patriots receiver Antonio Brown wants his $9 million signing bonus, he’s going to have to fight for it.

Per a league source, the Patriots did not pay Brown $5 million, the first installment of the signing bonus, on or before the Monday deadline specified in his contract.

The move was widely expected, even though the team’s argument for not paying earned money to Brown ultimately may fail. He did not commit a “forfeitable breach” under the terms of the labor deal. Thus, the Patriots will have to fashion an argument based on, for example, Brown withholding information as to the threatened sexual assault and rape litigation from the team. The Patriots would argue that they wouldn’t have signed Brown if they’d known about the potential lawsuit, especially since it can (and did) spark an NFL investigation that could result in Brown being placed on paid leave.

Whatever the argument, there’s no downside in refusing to pay Brown. If he wins, he gets the money — without interest, attorneys’ fees, liquidated damages, or other costs. Given his recent history of erratic and aggressive behavior, an arbitrator may be inclined to find a way to bend the facts and applicable precedent in the direction of a finding that Brown will get nothing.

Brown undoubtedly will file a grievance aimed at getting the $9 million, along with the balance of his $1 million guaranteed salary. As explained on Sunday, his minimum pay from the Patriots will be $283,333.

167 responses to “Patriots decline to pay the first installment of Antonio Brown’s signing bonus

  1. Give him nothing. He keeps getting whatever he wants and that’s why he’s gone crazy. Tell him no for once.

  2. I’m not sure I understand your stance that the Pats don’t have a legitimate claim NOT to pay AB the guarantee. I’ve seen very clear language in reports about that contract that clearly show that Brown’s action DID void those guarantees.

    So whether you agree with the interpretation of those parts of the contract or not, there is least a case that can legitimately be made not to pay the guarantees that you are seemingly choosing to ignore.

  3. He would’ve given away how you guys are cheating to everyone on facebook anyway so good thing you cut him

  4. You signed the fool and should have to pay up for your blunder. Instead, we’ll have to hear even more about this nitwit through the grievance process. Thanks, Pats

  5. Well, that proves the salty mountain of hate’s latest conspiracy theory wrong – because if Pats had tampered for Brown they would have paid him off.

  6. I have zero regard for Brown. But if the Patriots were dumb enough to give him a contract with a signing bonus, they should pay the signing bonus.

  7. Pats fan here – but I think the Patriots screwed up on this one. Claiming the “we didn’t know about the allegations before signing” argument is easily overcome with “why didn’t you cut him as soon as you learned, if that was the real reason?” argument.

    They’re going to have to rely on the texts he sent the painter if they hope to prevail.

  8. Better call in that Porsche that B-Marsh owes you buddy, ur career is over AB. Sell everything and live modest. Which is of course impossible for someone who once had a mural painted of himself.

  9. Say what you will about AB being a dirtbag but I’d like to know why his agent isn’t getting scrutinized as to what he knew and when. The Pat’s have a long difficult history with him.

  10. Got a little to big for his own britches. He just threw away the chance of a lifetime. Could have been a potential SB winner, Hall of Famer, and MULTI-Millionaire. Now he is just an outcast and a pervert.

  11. It is the NLF’s fault that this guy would get any money. It shows the players that their behavior is condoned.

  12. redlikethepig says:
    September 24, 2019 at 12:33 pm
    The Pats don’t screw up often … but they sure did here.
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    As a bad look for their organization sure, but not financially. If they only have to pay him $283k, that’s a bargain for the one game production they got from him.

  13. The Patriots knew they were getting a headcase when they signed him. It’s time they faced the consequences of the risks they take.

  14. Brown doesn’t need money. He needs psychiatric help. These guys that make all this money shouldn’t be broke in five years. I’d like to think the NFLPA and the players agent’s would care enough about the guys to help them out. $9 million isn’t going to do Brown any good at this point. I’m also thinking Brown might still end up on the Pats’ roster this year in time for the playoffs. By then, this story will be off the front pages.

  15. They shouldn’t have signed him in the first place, so by doing so I hope they have to pay him his 9 million and hopefully this will be a lesson to other owners not to pick up problem players….the crazy thing is the Pats didn’t need him to win so why take that chance?

  16. Team chemistry is a real thing. Leadership is a huge factor also. The cowboys are a team that enjoys and respects each other. Wentz has damning articles being written about him being a horrible leader – these are facts. Nick foles had a strine built and won philly a SB. foles had the intangibles that Wentz does not – Wentz wouldn’t have beaten Brady in a shootout like in the SB. Wentz will force throws into double coverage (see Atlanta) and completely miss receivers which are drive killers . Dak on the other hand is #1 in completion % for any QB in history through their first 3 seasons – google it. Dak is completing 91% of his passed in the second half this season. Money time arrives and Dak delivers better than anyone – numbers don’t lie

  17. “He did not commit a “forfeitable breach” under the terms of the labor deal.”

    But he did apparently under additional language that was in the contract added by the Pats. How far teams are allowed to deviate from standard wording and clauses is what will determine whether or not he gets that money.

  18. “He would’ve given away how you guys are cheating to everyone on facebook anyway so good thing you cut him”

    Huh. Yet none of the other occasionally disgruntled players who were cut by or left the Pats in free agency have never done so. Funny you would have think they would have done so. Its almost as if there are no “cheating secrets” to give away, just hard work and outworking everyone else in the league.

    Keep fantasizing though if it makes you feel better.

  19. They should pay up, they signed him knowing all the bagage, is not like they were blindsided. PAYUP BUTTERCUP!

  20. It’s not clear from this article whether there is language in the contract between AB and the Patriots that would have a bearing on this.

  21. “He did not commit a “forfeitable breach” under the terms of the labor deal.”

    Doesn’t that depend on what it says in his contract with the Pats?

  22. Have you ever been in a situation where you were in a hapilly and loving relationship and all was going well, you’re family loved and treated that individual like family… And suddenly you two start to become toxic and break up? Have you seen the stink eye and the looks you’re family then gives you for the first couple of months when they see you talking in the phone with someone else that was a mutual friend, hanging out with that mutual friend more than just a friend now, and you’re family is not feeling how you dealt with the situation?

    Well in short this is basically it lol, that Eagles team and city fell in loved with Nick Foles, the energy, the leadership he brought there, connected with that team. Wentz unfortunately has become the outsider in this team. They got rid of Foles because of Wentz talents and skill, but not because he was the right fit for this team. People said this was a ridiculous way of thinking, but its apparent now.

  23. Pats didn’t screw up at all. They gambled they could get a yr outta a great player. After the latest incident, where he clearly violated the terms of his contract, they dumped him. No money AB

  24. dino2997 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 12:41 pm
    I would find it very amusing to see the Patriots pay up. Couldn’t happen to a nicer organization

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    yes, widely known as the classiest and best run organization in sports history, is somehow not very nice.

    lol

  25. Kraft: “My offer is this… Nothing! And I’d appreciate if you personally pay for the janitorial fee for cleaning out your locker!”

  26. Redskins, Packers, Giants, Bengals, Chargers, etc… could all use a #1 WR. Somebody go get AB. He has done nothing wrong.

  27. tinye67 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 12:36 pm
    Over/under before he’s broke is 5 years.
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    I’ll take the over, hard to go broke that soon when you don’t pay anyone

  28. AB is pretty obviously crazy and a ridiculous diva – – but are the Pats allowed to do this?

    He’s ready to play, and was objectively productive on the field when he played. Again, not to defend the guy, but these are accusations only at this point, and non-criminal charges, and it’s not like he injured himself snowmobiling or something — so I guess my question is this, what does the word ‘guarantee’ really mean if the team can just say nah?

  29. They only have themselves to blame for this. When you lie down with dogs you get fleas. ABs behavior was well-known. The arrogance of the Patriots made them think it wasn’t going to be a problem. Everyone outside of New England knew how this would end up. Remember when all the Patriots fans were dogging the Raiders for keeping him on their team then when he was cut they immediately signed him and said BB was a genius. Yeah, that worked out didn’t it.

  30. To someone who does not pay much attention to the salary cap stuff…is there a cap hit on this bonus? If so…ha ha ha ha ha ha

  31. It sounds like Brady and BB were unhappy he was cut, but it was a pretty smart move by Kraft. Regardless of how Brown was behaving on the field, he was going to do something to kill the team sooner or later. Brady and BB understandably are upset as they had visions of waltzing their way through the NFL this year, but Brown was already sinking the team through the negative media attention. Even if Brown is innocent of the serious allegations, he’s still not innocent in general. He needs to hit bottom and have some remorse before he can get back to being a productive person, and why should Kraft want to hit bottom with him.

  32. Kraft should get ahead of this and donate $9 million to charities befitting victims of sexual assault and other types of domestic violence ect… Prove it’s not about the money for Kraft but the principle of not giving it to someone that doesn’t deserve to see one red cent of that outside of his 1 game check and whatever he may have actually earned during his…..11 days.

  33. I understand these are just accusations and that he may have done nothing wrong per the assault charges, but we have a league and a Commissioner for whom that does not matter. He follows the model for Federal employees otherwise known as the “appearance standard.” If AB by appearances alone tarnished the shield, he will be placed on the Commissioner’s non-exenpt list. This will happen as soon as someone signs him.

  34. “The Pats don’t screw up often … but they sure did here.”

    You are about to get a boatload of abuse from their following.

  35. While I do not like to see good things happen to a divisional rival, I hope the Patriots win this one. As he has not been charged they could have kept him to see what happened, but they took the high road.

    I wonder what scumbag team will sign him next.

  36. Pats didn’t screw up at all. They gambled they could get a yr outta a great player. After the latest incident, where he clearly violated the terms of his contract, they dumped him. No money AB

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    Ya right you are one of the clowns saying BB would never sign AB and then later said if anybody can fix AB its BB…..and wonder why you are not taken seriously.

  37. Amazing the folks here crying and wailing about how the pats had to cut AB for the past couple of weeks and now are turning around and gleefully bleating that the pats will have to pay for cutting him.
    The pure hypocrisy and bile that fills such folks should give anyone pause. It’s pretty pathetic actually.

  38. Reps and warranties are essential provision in every contract. Non-waiver is also essential contract law provisioning, which would prevent NE from waiving rights once reps and warranties have been breached. AB and Rosenhaus tried to skirt this by allegedly signing an NDA that would prevent them from disclosing allegations at the time of signing the contract. Clearly the plaintiff had no problem with disclosure. It was only AB they were trying to protect, resulting in reps and warranties breach. Rosenhaus looks like quite the scammer on this one. Teams should beware.

  39. pdway says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:24 pm
    AB is pretty obviously crazy and a ridiculous diva – – but are the Pats allowed to do this?

    He’s ready to play, and was objectively productive on the field when he played. Again, not to defend the guy, but these are accusations only at this point, and non-criminal charges, and it’s not like he injured himself snowmobiling or something — so I guess my question is this, what does the word ‘guarantee’ really mean if the team can just say nah?

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    of course they are

    They were committed to him and were blindsided by his civil case that he didn’t even come close to giving them a heads up on.

    So, they moved on and he still couldn’t control himself, sending texts to make the organization look bad as a current employee.

    A 100% violation of the terms of the deal.

    For some reason Rosenhaus didn’t force him to disengage all of his accounts and stop using his phone unless for communicating to direct family.

  40. williamshatnerstoupee says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:43 pm
    “The Pats don’t screw up often … but they sure did here.”

    You are about to get a boatload of abuse from their following.

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    A 283K rental tryout does not need to abuse. That person is really dumb and bad at math, but he probably also has no idea how poorly his own team is run in terms of constant cap hell and lack of depth.

  41. richndc says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:30 pm
    To someone who does not pay much attention to the salary cap stuff…is there a cap hit on this bonus? If so…ha ha ha ha ha ha

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    yes, it’s about 4 mil per the next 2 years.

    NE won SB 49 with Hernandez’s 8.5 million cap hit.

    bawahhahaa!

    You don’t get it. Cap issues aren’t a thing in NE because BB is the greatest GM in sports history.

  42. Ya right you are one of the clowns saying BB would never sign AB and then later said if anybody can fix AB its BB…..and wonder why you are not taken seriously.
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    Know who is not taken seriously? The Steelers. They are a pathetic 0-3 this year and going nowhere fast. Its actually funny to see and couldn’t have happened to a better organization.

  43. It was so nice not hearing anything of Brown after last Sunday’s kickoff. I guess our next gift comes this Sunday after kickoff!!

  44. Vasteelerfan says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:31 pm
    So contracts don’t apply to the Pats……go to know. And the Fanboys brag about how good they treat their players….that’s funny.

    So apparently you didn’t READ the part of the contract that was tweeted out by NFL Network

    If he does anything that’s considered detrimental to the league his entire contract would be voided

    He and his agent AGREED to this when he signed

    And ….. TOM BRADY STILLS OWNS YOUR SORRY STEELERS

  45. The problem for the Patriots isn’t the 9 million. In and of itself, it’s chump change. It’s about the cap money that’s being tied up. last I checked with OTC, they had just a little over a million left – not enough to go out and get someone else that might be available at the trade deadline, whether it be a WR, TE or OT.

  46. RedBlooded says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:06 pm
    They should pay up, they signed him knowing all the bagage, is not like they were blindsided. PAYUP BUTTERCUP!
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    The Raiders knew of the baggage too and signed him to a $30m guaranteed. Do you think they should pay up as well.

  47. You don’t get it. Cap issues aren’t a thing in NE because BB is the greatest GM in sports history.
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    It also helps that your all world QB is paid well below market

  48. I don’t think the abuse allegations are what got him cut. I think the texts that were looked upon as threatening to the accuser is what got him cut. When the NFL stepped in and told him to cease and desist, that is viewed as a little more than hearsay especially when AB decided to include the lawyers in the texts.

    Then his little tirade about Kraft ensured that he wouldn’t get paid. If that isn’t looked at as an attempt to tarnish the shield, then what is. He was an idiot then doubled down. He made it almost impossible for an arbiter to rule his way in good faith.

  49. yourpoliticalpartyistheproblem says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:49 pm
    Wow. I don’t even know who to root for. Can they both lose somehow?

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    The only way they both lose would be if AB gets no money (or minimal due) and it still counts against the Patriots salary cap. Not saying that should or will happen, just answering your question.

  50. I’m not sure where I fall on this. On the one hand, seeing Brown recover seems wrong, but as for the Patriots it’s hard to feel sorry for them here. When you lay with dogs you get fleas. How about the $9 million go to a woman’s community shelter or support group?

  51. Scalesofjustice says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:18 pm
    Kraft: “My offer is this… Nothing! And I’d appreciate if you personally pay for the janitorial fee for cleaning out your locker!”
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    Well done sir. Most here are to young to catch the reference.

  52. Listen, I know people on here are mostly knee jerk and just can’t wait to slam players at every opportunity.

    However, Antonio Brown is not new to the league. He has been playing in the NFL for a long time.

    The VAST majority of that time was spent building a positive reputation. Before this offseason he was on commercials and other TV shows. Teammates and opponents largely spoke of him glowingly in terms of his work ethic and role in the locker room.

    he wasn’t perfect (I know you all want to ignore ALL that for the one or two little imperfectsions.)
    But, the question we need to ask is, what the heck happened?
    Why did this guy suddenly lose his mind? Can anyone guess what I want to put forward as a possible explanation?

    Look, this guy has taken some absolutely devastating hits.

  53. The same people here who are saying AB should get nothing from the Raiders are now saying the Patriots owe him.

    Hater Hypocrisy at it’s best……….

  54. The teams have been using the signing bonus to work around the salary cap hits and spread it out for years. This is usually a big portion of a teams “dead cap” space – when they used a signing bonus and spread it out as a cap hit. I can’t ever recall when a team didn’t pay a signing bonus – they are often still paying a player a year or two after they have released him. I think AB gets paid here…..

  55. pay it, drop in a bucket for billion $ org! Its the last paycheck the NFL will ever be paying him anyway.

  56. Not an AB fan but I hope he sues and wins. Pats need to be held accountable for the contract they offered him.

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    Neither AB nor his agent told the Patriots about the pending civil suit either. So when does AB need to be held accountable in your eyes?

  57. If we can be guaranteed that paying AB $9 million will, within 24 hours, result in no more AB stories in the sports media, then I think among us we can pony up the $9 million to write him off.

  58. fordbw says:
    September 24, 2019 at 2:49 pm
    Not an AB fan but I hope he sues and wins. Pats need to be held accountable for the contract they offered him.
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    And as a party to that contract AB knowingly withheld information regarding materially adverse condition. How does that jibe with your sense of being ‘held accountable’?

  59. The Pats do have a difficult legal path to navigate here. On the one hand represenations/warranty clauses are very standard in contract language and there is most certainly an argument that Brown with held material information…HOWEVER…he was not cut at the time they found out about this information…in fact the very opposite. He was allowed to remain on the team, practice and play. The Pats did not attempt to terminate the contract until his text messages surfaced which IS NOT a legal basis for voiding the contract or the guarantee. So if you are his counsel or the nflpa your argument is the pats did not void based on omissions and the evidence supports this argument. AB has similar arguments for the 30M in gauranteed money from the Raiders since he was never suspended. I think a settlement is likely however this is one very very interesting legal case.

  60. aarons444 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 2:31 pm
    So contracts don’t apply to the Pats……
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    Neither do ethics, morals, or playing by the rules

    The Patriot Way
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    Gotta love when the haters try to gang up with their holier art though posts. Like I posted before, those that are always talking about ethics, morals, character, integrity are the ones who do not have any themselves. What rules are you referencing to? You have to go all the way back to 2007 of game 1 first quarter. 12 years later you are still whining.

  61. AB could always force their hand by threatening to talk about the tampering that took place before he was cut by the Raiders. C’mon, you know it happened.

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    Still, after 20 yrs, not one ex Pat has ever talked about cheating. EVER! Even the ones that were mad they got dumped. Wonder why.

  62. AB has reenrolled at Central Michigan—-I am sure he will use his course work to earn a degree than will make him millions.

  63. The Patriots didn’t screw up on anything. They fleeced the rest of the league for having the best receiver play just one game for them and not tear up cap space, unlike the Steelers. Brown will receive $283,333 for that Dolphins’ game. The signing bonus is only received if he was on the roster by Monday, which he wasn’t. Therefore, the agreement is void. Sorry bottom dwellers.

  64. Lol so Robert Kraft is innocent until proven guilty but Antonio Brown has another set of rules for justice. Antonio Brown was angry and sent a text message in poor judgement that some consider threatening and others do not. No one has filed a criminal complaint against Brown which is still troubling. So the low bar of a civil suit is used to bring this arrogant misbehaving great NFL wide receiver down. I don’t think so….Brown may be a low life but let’s see what develops before stating that Antonio Brown will never play in the NFL again.

  65. I have not read the language in the contract-as I am sure few if any on this board has. That said, I cannot see the Patriots being stupid enough to NOT have language that protects their money up to and including the latest incident.

    I honestly think AB has something really wrong with him. He need professional help to get him out of this self destructive cycle. He and his hangers on do not want the party to end. It will. Shortly. And AB will just be the latest example of a spoiled athlete who never learned how to live life for himself. He will be broke in under 3 years. His hangers on, having sucked every cent from him, will leave, and IF he is lucky, he will hit bottom and seek the help he so desperately needs.

    A waste of talent, time, money. But at least social media had its dumpster fire to pay attention to.

  66. charliecharger says
    “Brown doesn’t need money. He needs psychiatric help. These guys that make all this money shouldn’t be broke in five years. I’d like to think the NFLPA and the players agent’s would care enough about the guys to help them out.”

    Doesn’t the NFLPA host seminars on the subject for Rookies?

  67. lobstasandmobstas says:

    “mlvcfan says:
    September 24, 2019 at 12:38 pm
    his 1 week pay is more than I make in 4 years. cry me a river”

    You need a better paying job.

    National stats:

    “The 2017 nominal median income per capita was $31,786. The mean income per capita was $48,150. The Census Bureau reports those in the Current Population Survey, Table PINC-01. Real median household income was $61,372.”

  68. Regarding the Raiders vs Pats situation, the Raiders had no signing bonus in their contract with AB, it was almost all guaranteed money. However, the guarantees could be voided if AB triggered a clause regarding fines. I believe the clause was that if he got a 3rd fine for cause, which he did, the guarantees voided. Still, even at that point if he was on their roster for game one, he would have been owed a full year’s salary as a vested veteran. So by releasing him after the guarantees voided, and before game one, the Raiders owe him nothing.

  69. solo681 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 2:43 pm
    The same people here who are saying AB should get nothing from the Raiders are now saying the Patriots owe him.

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    They both should have to pay him. Definition of the term “stupid tax.”

    This was a stupid signing by the Pats. Even if there’s not a large financial hit (TBD), AB was an unnecessary distraction that only happened because the Pats had a myopic focus on short-term gain. Would’ve been worth it for AB to stay just to see Belichick’s constant annoyance after getting bombarded with AB questions week after week.

    Also, as others have mentioned, the Pats have been fine without a superstar WR since Moss. There was no reason for them to waste time on AB.

  70. Just here for the hater comments. Their insane rationalizations and hypocritical pronouncements are hilarious!

  71. A lot of experts here on the language of a millionaire football player’s contract with his billionaire football team -nothing but bread and circus for the masses. If these same superfans applied this much energy and studying towards their own jobs…then we might have something.

  72. aarons444 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 2:31 pm
    So contracts don’t apply to the Pats……

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    Have you read the contract in full? Do you know if there were any behavior clauses written into it that would void the signing bonus if AB violated such clauses?

    No?

    Didn’t think so…..

  73. Fans here spend more time talking about the Patriots than they do their own team. That shows you who runs this league.

  74. Patriots still played the guy against Miami when all that garbage hit the news earlier in the week.

    Tough for the Patriots to play stupid and say they weren’t aware.

    I’m not a fan of AB but he showed up for work, and played a game. A guarantee is a guarantee. Will be interesting to see how this effects the Patriots cap.

  75. the real question is, what will AB do when he gets a failed grade because nobody can understand what he is saying or writing?

    dont have playing for the school to cover for him anymore.

  76. FootballSeasonRules says:
    September 24, 2019 at 4:22 pm
    Fans here spend more time talking about the Patriots than they do their own team. That shows you who runs this league.

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    Yeah. Had any of the Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Ravens, etc. been the ones who signed AB instead of New England, you’d have Pats fans climbing out of the woodwork to run their mouths about it. You’re in denial if you honestly think otherwise.

  77. Why are people bringing up that the Patriots still played him after the allegations came out? It’s pretty clear he was cut because of the threatening text messages and that is what will do him in. Allegations are just allegations he’d still be in a patriot jersey without the threats despite everyone who has already decided he is guilty because they dont like him.

  78. Have you read the contract in full? Do you know if there were any behavior clauses written into it that would void the signing bonus if AB violated such clauses?

    No?

    Didn’t think so…..

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    Brown will count for $5.75 million against the Pats cap this year. THis includes the guaranteed salary, the signing bonus proration, and the proration of his per game bonuses.

    Plus $4.75 million next year with the grievance pending since they withheld payment. The most the Patriots would likely get back is the $4.75 on the next year’s cap.

    More dead money, for now a 3rd team, due to AB.

  79. How much do the Pats get fined for tampering? AB, released by Raiders at 10am. Pats contact AB for first time (cough) negotiate, rewrites of contract, more negotiations and sign him 6 hours later. PULEASSSSE!!!!!

  80. Forget about the signing bonus, what are Brown’s chances now for team MVP? He still the frontrunner to win that from both the Raiders and Pats?

  81. I can tell everybody this. From experience; it is NEVER a good idea to insult the man/woman holding your money.

  82. concriche says:
    September 24, 2019 at 4:31 pm

    Why are people bringing up that the Patriots still played him after the allegations came out? It’s pretty clear he was cut because of the threatening text messages and that is what will do him in. Allegations are just allegations he’d still be in a patriot jersey without the threats despite everyone who has already decided he is guilty because they dont like him.

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    very true, its a sad fact that AB pretty much destroyed his career in social media.

  83. AB and 45 share similar qualities. Kraft likes and supports 45, why is he drawing the line here. We can’t take this moral high ground now.

  84. n.
    AB and 45 share similar qualities. Kraft likes and supports 45, why is he drawing the line here. He can’t take this moral high ground now.

  85. A contract you give a crazy person is still a contract. The money was earned at signing. If they want to argue that not disclosing the lawsuit voids the contract then why did they rush him on the field? The texting incident happened after the signing bonus was already earned. I’m far from a fan of AB but I don’t see how the Patriots have a valid argument here.

  86. Steelers fan here. I don’t like the Patriots because they consistently beat my team…nothing else. Let’s give up the cheating and other garbage. They run their team like they want to. And it works.

    I’d like to get a copy of the standard contract. I admit…haven’t done any research on it yet.

    I hope that the Pats win the grievance. I’d like to beat the Pats fair and square on the field. We do it so little of late.

    Love the earlier references to the Godfather II movie.

    I like an owner who stands up to the players now because of what the players are doing lately. I cannot wait for the new negotiations to begin.

  87. Why are people bringing up that the Patriots still played him after the allegations came out? It’s pretty clear he was cut because of the threatening text messages and that is what will do him in. Allegations are just allegations he’d still be in a patriot jersey without the threats despite everyone who has already decided he is guilty because they dont like him.
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    Because as numerous arguments point out the voiding of the contract would have to come under the reps and warranties clause UNLESS there is language about him being on the team/ being cut period regardless of the reason. Just being cut absent specific contract language is not enough to void guarantees. If they cut him for dropping too many passes would you assume that voided his guarantees? of course not. There has to be something that ties his behavior in with the void. Absent that they are going to have a problem using the representation and warranties clause.

  88. As Florio rightly observes, it only makes sense for New England to refuse to make the payment. By the time AB files his grievance and (presumably) gets his money, the Pats will have won their 7th Super Bowl — which in the grand scheme is worth a boatload more than $10 or $15 mil. Suck it haters!

  89. mmmpierogi says:
    September 24, 2019 at 4:30 pm
    FootballSeasonRules says:
    September 24, 2019 at 4:22 pm
    Fans here spend more time talking about the Patriots than they do their own team. That shows you who runs this league.

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    Yeah. Had any of the Bills, Jets, Dolphins, Ravens, etc. been the ones who signed AB instead of New England, you’d have Pats fans climbing out of the woodwork to run their mouths about it. You’re in denial if you honestly think otherwise.

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    Yes, that’s true. We’re all hypocrites in the end. That’s part of being a fan. Then again, the same could be said about everyone else saying how their teams weren’t interested. Had one of those other teams signed Brown, such as the Cowboys, Saints, Seahawks, or Dolphins, these same fans attacking the Patriots for signing him would be defending the Brown signing for their team. It goes both ways. The real tragedy in this story has nothing to do with the NFL teams. It’s all about Antonio ruining his own career.

  90. FootballSeasonRules says:
    September 24, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    Yes, that’s true. We’re all hypocrites in the end. That’s part of being a fan.

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    My point was that the volume of comments has nothing to do with the Pats “running the league” and more the fact that they were the latest patsies (zero pun intended) to AB’s antics.

    If there is an uptick in the comments, it’s from Pats homers who arrogantly refuse to admit that the omnipotent Beli-God could ever make a bad decision. This was definitely a bad call that never had to be made with an outcome that should’ve been predicted.

  91. AB is accused of sexual misconduct, lewd behavior, stiffing people, Twitter rants and being an ego maniac. He lost his job. Well 45 is still employed and some of you still like him. Those are Kraft’s boys

  92. mmmpierogi says:
    September 24, 2019 at 6:44 pm
    FootballSeasonRules says:
    September 24, 2019 at 6:19 pm

    Yes, that’s true. We’re all hypocrites in the end. That’s part of being a fan.

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    My point was that the volume of comments has nothing to do with the Pats “running the league” and more the fact that they were the latest patsies (zero pun intended) to AB’s antics.

    If there is an uptick in the comments, it’s from Pats homers who arrogantly refuse to admit that the omnipotent Beli-God could ever make a bad decision. This was definitely a bad call that never had to be made with an outcome that should’ve been predicted.

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    Yeah, I don’t think an 11 day tryout for 283k is a “bad decision”.

    They are currently paying Obi Melinfonwu 700k on the practice squad and I know why. This, too, is not a costly decision.

    The costly choices were made by Pitt in full on rebuild mode with huge cap hits and the Raiders.

    Learn the rules and more about the cap before running your mouth.

    You wish your GM was constantly leaving no rock unturned.

  93. catquick says:
    September 24, 2019 at 7:17 pm
    Pay him. You screwed up the competative balance of the league, now pay for it.

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    How many 5th place trophies do you have, snowflake?

  94. tylawspick6 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    Yeah, I don’t think an 11 day tryout for 283k is a “bad decision”.

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    If it was such a good decision, why’d Belichick storm out of an interview when asked about the product of said good decision.

    You can tell the bot is getting mad when it starts dropping mouthbreather terms like snowflake.

  95. whostolemyxanax says:
    September 24, 2019 at 5:30 pm
    A contract you give a crazy person is still a contract. The money was earned at signing. If they want to argue that not disclosing the lawsuit voids the contract then why did they rush him on the field? The texting incident happened after the signing bonus was already earned. I’m far from a fan of AB but I don’t see how the Patriots have a valid argument here.
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    Which is why you’re not an attorney.

  96. mmmpierogi says:
    September 24, 2019 at 7:39 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 7:21 pm

    Yeah, I don’t think an 11 day tryout for 283k is a “bad decision”.

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    If it was such a good decision, why’d Belichick storm out of an interview when asked about the product of said good decision.

    You can tell the bot is getting mad when it starts dropping mouthbreather terms like snowflake.

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    Stormed off?

    He walked off because a statement had been made the day earlier about their decision to release Brown and BB only talks about his team.

    Very simple here.

    If the abusive media can’t grasp or respect that, they are wasting everyone’s time. It had been reported why he was released.

  97. The Patriots are so cheap, that if an employee got the hiccups, they’d rent him out to a glassblower.

  98. patsarticlemustpost says:
    September 24, 2019 at 2:16 pm

    RedBlooded says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:06 pm
    They should pay up, they signed him knowing all the bagage, is not like they were blindsided. PAYUP BUTTERCUP!
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    The Raiders knew of the baggage too and signed him to a $30m guaranteed. Do you think they should pay up as well.

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    The Raiders contract had language of what had to happen for them to get out of the guarantees. It’s probably why the story about AB going after the Raiders for payment has gone nowhere. I’d think the Patriot’s had pretty much the same language. Even without knowing about the rape when signed there was enough red flags to think AB’s Patriot contact was pretty strict about behavior.

    IMO both teams did the right thing. No one owes this guy anything.

  99. davew128 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 7:41 pm
    whostolemyxanax says:
    September 24, 2019 at 5:30 pm
    A contract you give a crazy person is still a contract. The money was earned at signing. If they want to argue that not disclosing the lawsuit voids the contract then why did they rush him on the field? The texting incident happened after the signing bonus was already earned. I’m far from a fan of AB but I don’t see how the Patriots have a valid argument here.
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    Which is why you’re not an attorney.
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    I’m an attorney and there’s a valid argument that a signing bonus is owed no matter when he was terminated. The triggering event is the signing, whether I’m owed the payment 3 years from now. Even in the rep and warranty section, his text messages occurred after the signing so that has no impact. And there’s the settlement discussion. But that wouldn’t have any impact on him bc it’s not a criminal matter.

  100. The Pats were right to cut him, but whether and how much more he’s paid will boil down to the contract language.

  101. Facts:
    1) AB can ball and the Patriots don’t make mistakes. They took a chance on AB because they know they will need him to get out of AFC.

    2. Last time I checked, innocent until PROVEN guilty. Is it a coincidence 1st accuser filed lawsuit day after it’s announces AB signed with Patriots. She couldn’t twist ABs arm to settle, the NFL & Patriots & public judge & jury became her leverage

    3. There’s arrogance, there’s stupidity, but I’m sorry, I’m more & more convinced something is really off with AB. It makes no sense to do all that acting out to ultimately end up with nothing. The man is cracking up before our eyes. Some neurons aren’t firing right and he’s becoming more erratic every day.

    4. Patrick’s taking moral high road. Give me a break. NFL is full of criminals. AB called out a few. The truth hurts when the spotlight is being directing back at you. AB is imploding. BTW who should AB risk his dream job by divulging information about a potential shake down lawsuit to a potential employer. Would you?

    5. They need to get him back, adj contract based on what they know & put him on 72 hour voluntary psychiatric hold so he can be eveulated. CT scan or whatever’s needed. People with brain tumors have been known to act erratic.

    7. Only an idiot would throw away all that money like it’s nothing.

    4.

  102. AB will win the grievance and will then have to take the Patriots to court to get his money. The Patriots will then be forced to pay AB and his attorney fees. Boomin’.

  103. redlikethepig says:
    September 24, 2019 at 12:33 pm
    The Pats don’t screw up often … but they sure did here.

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    How is having the proper contractual protections in place screwing up?

    What team is going to be using AB against the Pats in the playoffs now? Or maybe they still got the biggest part of they wanted (they never needed the balance of power tipped in their direction, but the Chiefs still do) except thanks to AB now they don’t even have to pay for it.

  104. RedBlooded says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:06 pm
    They should pay up, they signed him knowing all the bagage, is not like they were blindsided. PAYUP BUTTERCUP!
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    The rape accusation was undisclosed to either team nor to the league. (And we can leave the Steelers out of it too) This info came via the media after the fact, SI both times) not disclosure by AB.

    There is a clause in the contract (all contracts have this, its not something special just for AB) that the player has to have disclosed anything that might impact their ability to play football. So to win this AB has to maintain that a rape accusation is not serious to present that risk. Thats going to be a tough sell in todays world especially.

  105. “I’m an attorney and there’s a valid argument that a signing bonus is owed no matter when he was terminated. The triggering event is the signing, whether I’m owed the payment 3 years from now. Even in the rep and warranty section, his text messages occurred after the signing so that has no impact. ”

    Ok attorney. According to the Pats homer press who obtained copies of the contract, there was additional language inserted into the contract that was something along the lines of “if the player commits any act that materially undermines the public’s faith in the team, other players, coaches, management or ownership that guarantees are voided”

    The texts that he made against the 2nd accuser clearly qualify as an act that falls under this clause. Why would the Pats still be required to pay those guarantees?

    Now it might be argued that teams can’t insert that language into a standard contract, and to me if they can he’s owed nothing. If they can’t he probably gets paid. But if the clause if valid the team has no reason to pay him those signing bonuses.

  106. It’s actually very simple. Contract law requires each party to an agreement,to meet certain rules, before completion. Usually, first one to break rules loses.

  107. Ok attorney. According to the Pats homer press who obtained copies of the contract, there was additional language inserted into the contract that was something along the lines of “if the player commits any act that materially undermines the public’s faith in the team, other players, coaches, management or ownership that guarantees are voided”

    The texts that he made against the 2nd accuser clearly qualify as an act that falls under this clause. Why would the Pats still be required to pay those guarantees?

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    Did you skip over the “materially undermines …” the pats have been docked how may draft picks and faced how much scrutiny for their bad conduct. Kraft was arrested for prostitution. Deflategate, taping of the Jets, etc. so how would his text messages cause the public to lose more faith? Also, this is going to be very hard for them to quantify as to what the public thought of the pats before the texts and after the texts. That legalese amounts to nothing.

  108. Also, what guarantees is the language talking about? Bc there’s still an argument that the SB was owed bc he signed. It was a one year agreement (so the team can’t come back after it after the fact). Let’s say he committed these acts in December, would there still be an argument that he would have to return the signing bonus? Let’s not try to obscure what a signing bonus is.

  109. This has nothing to do with what the public thinks of the Pats for perceived past indescretions. He violated his contract because his behavior reflects badley on the organization. Therefore, no money, period

  110. patriots123456 says:
    September 24, 2019 at 1:11 pm
    We need Booger McFarland’s opinion on this. He thinks he knows everything.
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    Worst “announcer” in the history of MNF. Who the hell named him after the product produced by his nose? He is the second reason I don’t watch MNF, the first being it’s on ESPN. Still a “trash” sports network.

  111. Sorry, but in the Salary Cap game a pen to paper earns the “Signing” Bonus …
    Not that he deserves it … it’s just the biz of risk vs. reward to the team

  112. The Patsies signed him. They had to see this coming. AB obviously assaulted Mayock, the Raiders GM, knowing full well that would bring about his immediate release. So what happens? The Patsies sail in to his rescue! Now if any of us assaulted our boss we would not only be fired but would probably get nice shiny bracelets for our troubles. What does AB get? A contract with the team he PUBLICLY decreed his desire to be TRADED to back in January! Only in the NFL can one get rewarded for such behavior. No sir. AB may be nuts but this was choreographed in advance and the poor, helpless Patsies are nothing but victims here. Puhlease. I could care less about either party in this dispute but I hope that AB wins his grievance with all monies going to charity. My choice would be the American Heart Association.

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