Ron Wolf admits that he blew it on Tom Brady

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As the legend of Tom Brady somehow continues to grow, plenty of people have tried to say they saw it coming. Few, including the Patriots (who eventually took him in round six), did.

And so it’s refreshing when someone who was in the business of evaluating players at the time Brady emerged from Michigan admits to getting it wrong.

Former Packers G.M. Ron Wolf has done just that, in comments to Bob McGinn of TheAthletic.com. McGinn looks back at the input he received on scouts regarding Brady prior to the 2000 draft, as supplemented by more recent comments from folks like Wolf.

Wolf, whose Packers had Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck, and Aaron Brooks at the time, had a habit of drafting quarterbacks in most years of the draft. But Wolf passed on Brady, multiple times.

Sh-t, yeah, I would have [taken Brady],” Wolf admitted to McGinn. “Had I known this guy was who he was. . . .”

Unlike fellow Hall of Famer Bill Polian, who has claimed that he had a first-round grade on Brady, Wolf doesn’t try to sugarcoat the fact that he, like so many others, stepped in the first word from his quote to McGinn.

“We kind of deviated just a tad from our normal procedure,” Wolf said regarding the 2000 draft. “You know, whenever one changes something, it jumps up and bites you in the ass. I still think about that. It’s one of those things, you’re never too old to learn. I’m not sure why I didn’t nip it in the bud.”

Wolf didn’t see Brady play in person, and he relied on three of his scouts. All of them said no to Brady.

“I just know that we really just did a terrible job as an organization on Tom Brady,” Wolf told McGinn. “It was a joke, the reports we had on him. A disgrace. We had three reports, and three guys said he couldn’t play. We could talk about this for five hours. Whatever they said was completely wrong. . . .

“I don’t know how you could go to a Big Ten school like that and watch a guy play and his career as it unfolded and think he couldn’t play. You say to yourself, ‘I’ll never listen to this [bleep] again the rest of my life.'” (And, yes, the first dropping of the ‘S’ bomb made it past the censors at TheAthletic.com, but the second one didn’t.)

An unnamed personnel executive responded to Wolf’s observations with this: “Easy to blame the scouts, but the general consensus was that Tom was a free agent.”

Even if Wolf is blaming the scouts, Wolf hired them. It was his operation. If his scouts failed to spot Brady as a potentially great player, then Wolf failed to spot Brady as a potentially great player. Like everyone else did.

Except for Polian, of course.

96 responses to “Ron Wolf admits that he blew it on Tom Brady

  1. lmao

    I remember when people thought this guy was a great GM. He was a good GM, certainly, but no one touches the great BB in the Cap Era. Absolutely no one, including Polian, the latter wildly overrated going to Indy knowing he had Manning.

  2. So Polian “scouts” TB as a 1st Round Pick but fails to take him in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th Rounds = revisonist dreamer.

  3. Even if Wolf is blaming the scouts, Wolf hired them.

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    “We kind of deviated just a tad from our normal procedure,” Wolf said regarding the 2000 draft. “You know, whenever one changes something, it jumps up and bites you in the ass. I still think about that. It’s one of those things, you’re never too old to learn. I’m not sure why I didn’t nip it in the bud.”

  4. The draft is now and has always been a crapshoot, and there are plenty of early round busts and late rounds stars. The only real surprise is that people are still surprised by this.

  5. I’m still waiting for the article that has all the “experts” who claimed JaMarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf, Trent Richardson, etc were “can’t-miss franchise cornerstones”.

    Revisionist history always skews towards fondness.

  6. Polian is a fraud. Any one of us could have drafted Peyton. His Indy team only won one SB and his Bills teams never won a SB. If he was great, wouldn’t Indy won a few SB’s if they had the right personnel?
    Another person who owes Peyton a huge part of their compensation.

  7. The scouts must have been blind.

    Brady brought his Michigan team back from defeat with several 4th quarter comebacks. He set school passing records and in his senior year beat Ohio State. In his final game, he beat Alabama in overtime in the Orange Bowl. He was given the nickname ‘the Comeback Kid’ for the many times he pulled it out in the 4th quarter.

    NUTS that so many teams passed on him.

  8. Brady is less about natural talent and measurables, although he has some of that. He played at Michigan and was drafted by MLB. He’s more about drive, determination, will to win, competitiveness, team 1rst, always looking to improve, coachable. Intangible things that are hard to scout and I have rarely seen in any sport.

  9. What would have happened if:

    They take Rattay instead.
    Brady ends up with a crap coach and crap franchise
    Or Bledsoe never gets hurt.

    Would love to see the bizarro world of these events.

  10. Well, Brady’s very good college play helped to make David Terrell a first round choice. Terrell should have been, at best, a sixth round pick.

    I wonder if Polian got that one right as well.

  11. There is a reality in all of this that most people miss. I guess the assumption is that if someone else would have taken Brady he would have had the exact same career. Put him on about half the teams and he might have been out of the league because he got killed behind a bad o line. So it is easy top to say whatever you want to but does it really matter. NO!

  12. @tylawspick6
    32 teams passed on Brady in the draft 5 or 6 times. That includes your chosen Patriots. How could they, the Pats, have passed on him 5 times? The stupidity of passing on a HOF qb FIVE times is astounding!!!!

  13. solo681 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 9:38 am
    So Polian “scouts” TB as a 1st Round Pick but fails to take him in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th Rounds = revisonist dreamer.

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    Or, a pathological liar and narcissist, seething with jealousy over BB.

    Keep in mind, BB thwarted Polian’s Bills in SB 25 and BB’s gameplan rests in Canton.

    BB has been slapping around Polian for 30 years. lol

  14. As proven by scouts, GMs, and other talent evaluators, they are wrong at least 50% of the time. Just look at the huge failure records posted by first and second selections, especially first rounders.

  15. It should also be pointed out that the Pats were thisclose to cutting Brady his rookie season.

    Teams analyzing why they missed on Brady is stupid. He’s a unicorn. Everybody missed on him and Belichick made a lucky pick and obviously helped coach him into what he’s become. Brady and Belichick deserve all of the credit for that. So much of QB success in the NFL is how the QB is wired and not the guy who hits all the metrics at the combine.

  16. jrterrier5 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 9:58 am
    The scouts must have been blind.

    Brady brought his Michigan team back from defeat with several 4th quarter comebacks. He set school passing records and in his senior year beat Ohio State. In his final game, he beat Alabama in overtime in the Orange Bowl. He was given the nickname ‘the Comeback Kid’ for the many times he pulled it out in the 4th quarter.

    NUTS that so many teams passed on him.
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    Apparently you forget he was also platooning for the starting job half the year as a senior, specifically because his arm strength was terrible and Henson was considered by basically everyone as having way more talent. So no, not crazy that everyone looked over him. He was seen as a smart kid, that could probably be a decent backup in the NFL. His combine pics are shown constantly for a reason, he didn’t look like a pro prospect to anyone. Not even New England seriously thought he’d be more than Bledsoe’s backup. Stop pretending he was always great, and everyone was stupid. Everyone made an assessment based on his body of work, and his body. Everyone was wrong, end of story.

  17. Brady wasn’t even really a 6th round pick but a comp pick AFTER the 6th round. But at least Belichick took him, despite having 3 QBs already. Something made him carry a 4th despite Pats having just made Bledsoe very rich.

  18. @tylawspick6 says:

    lmao

    I remember when people thought this guy was a great GM. He was a good GM, certainly, but no one touches the great BB in the Cap Era. Absolutely no one, including Polian, the latter wildly overrated going to Indy knowing he had Manning.

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    Wolf was a great GM. Despite only 1 Super Bowl win and 1 appearance, his teams were lights out most of his tenure. And he knew what he was doing when drafting.

    Here’s the thing about Brady. To single out Wolf, Polian, or anyone is completely misleading. EVERYONE missed on Brady. And in my opinion, even the Patriots. The Patriots missed on him because you don’t take guys you’re really excited about who you see long-term potential in, in the 6th round. You take them in rounds 1-3. They took him in the 6th because they saw enough where they thought he might be serviceable (maybe as a backup). And I would be willing to wager there were other teams that thought the same thing and Brady could have just as easily gone to Buffalo, Jacksonville, Seattle, who knows. So let’s just stop pretending that BB was some kind of genius who recognized Brady’s immense talent that year. He recognized something worth spending a very low draft pick on and taking a flyer on a no-name QB from Michigan.

    Obviously BB and Brady together have been nothing short of magical, but we need to put this in perspective that it was mostly good fortune they ended up together.

  19. I can’t even wrap my mind around how different my life would have been as a fan over the past 2 decades if Brady had been in the NFC.

    People always rail about how inept the Bills, Jets & Phins have been, which is all very true, but a lot of that is always trying to build teams specifically to beat Brady. Which clearly never works, so each team starts over again every 2-3 years. There has been no continuity.

  20. The draft is now and has always been a crapshoot, and there are plenty of early round busts and late rounds stars.
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    I don’t know if I’d go so far to say crap shoot. But I will say that I think a lot (MOST) of people are too scared to go against the gain. These “lists” get made so far in advance then people get scared to deviate from them. Even if the research screams to deviate from the list. I use to be a huge draftnik hobbyist. I’d do my own research and debate with other draftnik fans and even some media professionals. I can swear to you you can see guys that don’t belong on those lists but there they are. Guys like Bjorn Werner and Ra’Shede Hagmen come to mind as guys that I’d argue that I wouldn’t have drafted in any round let alone the first round. Never one of those guys ever could win a one on one match up. They never made plays on their own. But I’m wrong a lot too. Especially with WR’s. It’s hard to gauge the college to pro game in the passing game. There is a lot more room for error in the college game. And some oif it isn’t the talent but the money. They have plenty of talent btu sometimes the desire goes away when you start getting six figure checks. You got kids that have never held a thousand dollars in their life to making 250K a week. It can be easy to loose focus when your life changes that rapidly.

  21. ty,

    Wolf is a HOFr. One of the few executives to have attained that honor.

    You claim to know so much about history, how bout you present his resume. Looks like you need a refresher.

  22. The Pats late QB coach Dick Rayburn recognized Brady and advocated for the team to draft him. NOBODY could have ever foreseen him as becoming the GOAT…but Rayburn at least thought he was worth drafting. THAT is why the Pats drafted him when nobody else did. Everything else is spin.

  23. There’s a great video out there with Bill Walsh explaining why they passied on Tom Brady.

    He explains it was because they had a much better player available so they took him instead.

    His name is Giovanni Carmazzi and he never comes layer a game.

  24. @duckstyle187

    Tom Brady’s arm strength has never been terrible. Brady was a legitimate MLB prospect as a good hitting and strong armed catcher in high school. He was a late MLB pick because scouts knew he was committed to playing college football.

    Drew Henson got playing time with Brady because Henson was a local hero and booster favorite. They wanted him to beat out Brady as the starter, but because he paled in comparison to Brady as a QB, he never did.

  25. Every team but the Patriots regrets passing on Brady. He is the best QB in the history of the game. I wish my Vikings would have somehow landed him, we would have several SB Titles by now.

  26. Everyone knows drafting a QB is largely a crapshoot – you take your chances, good or bad:

    Starr – 17th round
    Unitas – 9th round
    Staubach – 10th round
    Warner – undrafted
    Montana – 3rd round
    Brady – 6th round

    I could go on, but you get the idea.

    On the other side of the coin – first round busts:

    Leaf, Russell (Jamarcus), Leftwitch, Leinart – the list goes on and on.

    No one recognized Brady as what he would become, and there’s no shame in that. Polian is full of it.

  27. Yeah but come on. He was a 2nd string (maybe even a 3rd string) at Michigan… Michigan does not really have a storied history in producing NFL QBs. And just stop it. New England picked Brady with pick 199 because they league basically said they had to pick SOMEONE. Any team in the league who picks a QB at pick 200 figures they are getting someone to run the practice squad for a few years before replacing him with another QB to run the practice squad for a few years.

    I really wish we would stop it with the hindsight.

  28. tylawspick6 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 9:36 am

    lmao

    I remember when people thought this guy was a great GM. He was a good GM, certainly, but no one touches the great BB in the Cap Era

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    Child please. Hall of Famers by Ron Wolf (either drafted or acquired)

    Mel Renfro
    Fred Biletnikoff
    Gene Upshaw
    Ken Stabler
    Art Shell
    Ray Guy
    Dave Casper
    Howie Long
    Marcus Allen
    Tim Brown

    Ted Hendricks
    Brett Favre
    Reggie White
    Mike Haynes

  29. Go watch Brady’s full-game debut against the Colts (a major chunk of the plays has been officially posted in a video online by the NFL). It isn’t the same QB we’ve come to know, or even saw just a few years later. That early Brady could barely get the ball down the field. He was cool and collected, but he had a LOT of development to do to become the “GOAT”. So, no, the scouts didn’t miss anything – Brady was not a remarkable physical specimen for a passer, and it would prove to be his work ethic and continued tweaking of his passing mechanics (things you can’t know are there ahead of time) that would make him as excellent as he became.

  30. There is NO WAY Tom Brady would have had the same success playing in the NFC North. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB and only ONE Superbowl.

    It’s easy to play the Jets and Dolphins and Bills. People want to downplay this — but I don’t.

  31. NinersFan1973 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:17 am
    It should also be pointed out that the Pats were thisclose to cutting Brady his rookie season.

    Teams analyzing why they missed on Brady is stupid. He’s a unicorn. Everybody missed on him and Belichick made a lucky pick and obviously helped coach him into what he’s become. Brady and Belichick deserve all of the credit for that. So much of QB success in the NFL is how the QB is wired and not the guy who hits all the metrics at the combine.

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    False. Brady was so impressive to BB, Weis and Rhebein, they kept 4 QBs by design. The only team in the Cap Era to ever carry 4 QBs was the Pats.

    He was never been considered as a cut because they were so blown away by what he was doing behind Bledsoe, Huard and Friesz.

  32. billsrthefuture says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:28 am
    I can’t even wrap my mind around how different my life would have been as a fan over the past 2 decades if Brady had been in the NFC.

    People always rail about how inept the Bills, Jets & Phins have been, which is all very true, but a lot of that is always trying to build teams specifically to beat Brady. Which clearly never works, so each team starts over again every 2-3 years. There has been no continuity.
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    Great post. The second part is 100% true. Good luck this weekend. Enjoy the game.

  33. It’s easy to play the Jets and Dolphins and Bills. People want to downplay this — but I don’t.

    So I’ll ask AGAIN

    what’s your excuse for all the wins OUTSIDE the division?

  34. redsoxu571 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:54 am
    Go watch Brady’s full-game debut against the Colts (a major chunk of the plays has been officially posted in a video online by the NFL). It isn’t the same QB we’ve come to know, or even saw just a few years later. That early Brady could barely get the ball down the field. He was cool and collected, but he had a LOT of development to do to become the “GOAT”. So, no, the scouts didn’t miss anything – Brady was not a remarkable physical specimen for a passer, and it would prove to be his work ethic and continued tweaking of his passing mechanics (things you can’t know are there ahead of time) that would make him as excellent as he became.

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    All true.

    Basically, he was Phill Simms/Montana early on, but then he morphed into more of a Manning type by 2005/2006. Some of his throws are really under-appreciated, too. Like that one to Amendola in OT vs the Falcons in SB 51. I mean, the trajectory, and pacing on the ball with the touch, was incredible, but people who don;t know football can’t appreciate it.

    Ironical, it was Aikman on the call and he saw it right away.

    Brady wouldn’t be the same QB he’s become without BB. Brady just said it the other day. That said, Brady’s hard work made it all possible.

  35. sigbouncer says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:45 am
    tylawspick6 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 9:36 am

    lmao

    I remember when people thought this guy was a great GM. He was a good GM, certainly, but no one touches the great BB in the Cap Era

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    Child please. Hall of Famers by Ron Wolf (either drafted or acquired)

    Mel Renfro
    Fred Biletnikoff
    Gene Upshaw
    Ken Stabler
    Art Shell
    Ray Guy
    Dave Casper
    Howie Long
    Marcus Allen
    Tim Brown

    Ted Hendricks
    Brett Favre
    Reggie White
    Mike Haynes

    3 2 Rate This

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    Sure, but you can pull Haynes off your list. The Sullivans were dirt poor and Al Davis wasn’t. Nothing more needs to be said there.

    Funny how times have changed. Instead of NE being fleeced or cheap back in those days, now NE does the fleecing. LOL

  36. willycents says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:09 am
    @tylawspick6
    32 teams passed on Brady in the draft 5 or 6 times. That includes your chosen Patriots. How could they, the Pats, have passed on him 5 times? The stupidity of passing on a HOF qb FIVE times is astounding!!!!
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    So I guess what you’re saying is the Pats were the first team to break out of the collective stupidity. Big reason they have a dynasty is they seem to be the first to do things like that….and I’m not a big fan of theirs either but they’re consistently ahead of everyone else.

  37. Polian would be more believable if he published the actual Indy draft board going into the 2000 draft. We know this will never happen, but we do know that Polian is full of it.

  38. aarons444 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:30 am
    ty,

    Wolf is a HOFr. One of the few executives to have attained that honor.

    You claim to know so much about history, how bout you present his resume. Looks like you need a refresher.

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    I said it as such. I know EXACTLY who Wolf is and I read his book. He was a great pre Cap Era GM like a George Young. I have him right there with Bobby Beathard.

    But, none of those guys are BB like I said. Cap Era.

    Anyone can open a checkbook with big money owner backing. Get it?

  39. kennylc2015 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:45 am
    Yeah but come on. He was a 2nd string (maybe even a 3rd string) at Michigan… Michigan does not really have a storied history in producing NFL QBs. And just stop it. New England picked Brady with pick 199 because they league basically said they had to pick SOMEONE. Any team in the league who picks a QB at pick 200 figures they are getting someone to run the practice squad for a few years before replacing him with another QB to run the practice squad for a few years.

    I really wish we would stop it with the hindsight.

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    Again, FALSE.

    He played like 1st string. It’s not his fault Michigan and LLoyd Carr felt local, political pressure to keep playing Henson over Brady.

    Brady would come in and bail out the team repeatedly as a senior.

    Do your homework before running your mouth. It’s so annoying to spew factually incorrect material out there when the facts have been stated for years.

  40. LOL @ the revisionist historians on this thread writing that Tom Brady, who literally started every Michigan game his Junior And Senior seasons, was always 2nd or 3rd string at Michigan, and a backup to Henson.

    Although it is true that Brady did not start until his Junior year, he did start every game thereafter. Before that he was a backup to Brian Griese and, by his own admisdion, Brady was sixth or seventh string when he first arrived at Michigan.

    FWIW, Brady was 4th string his rookie year with the Pats. And if you have the rookie football card of that 4th stringer, it may be worth big money.

  41. magnusthe1st says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:27 am
    @tylawspick6 says:

    lmao

    I remember when people thought this guy was a great GM. He was a good GM, certainly, but no one touches the great BB in the Cap Era. Absolutely no one, including Polian, the latter wildly overrated going to Indy knowing he had Manning.

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    Wolf was a great GM. Despite only 1 Super Bowl win and 1 appearance, his teams were lights out most of his tenure. And he knew what he was doing when drafting.

    Here’s the thing about Brady. To single out Wolf, Polian, or anyone is completely misleading. EVERYONE missed on Brady. And in my opinion, even the Patriots. The Patriots missed on him because you don’t take guys you’re really excited about who you see long-term potential in, in the 6th round. You take them in rounds 1-3. They took him in the 6th because they saw enough where they thought he might be serviceable (maybe as a backup). And I would be willing to wager there were other teams that thought the same thing and Brady could have just as easily gone to Buffalo, Jacksonville, Seattle, who knows. So let’s just stop pretending that BB was some kind of genius who recognized Brady’s immense talent that year. He recognized something worth spending a very low draft pick on and taking a flyer on a no-name QB from Michigan.

    Obviously BB and Brady together have been nothing short of magical, but we need to put this in perspective that it was mostly good fortune they ended up together.

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    Again, not true. BB and Dick Rhebein and I am sure Weis, were very intrigued by Brady, like all the skills and worked him out.

    They only worked out two privately. Rattay and Brady.

    Brady was a target for what BB was looking for in a QB, knowing Bledsoe as not only too pricey, but Drew’s skill set was outdated for the speed of the league.

    Thank you.

    Please get the facts.

    BB doesn’t do anything without a goal and purpose behind it.

  42. chillyball says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:54 am

    There is NO WAY Tom Brady would have had the same success playing in the NFC North. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB and only ONE Superbowl.

    It’s easy to play the Jets and Dolphins and Bills. People want to downplay this — but I don’t.
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    Tom Brady’s career record vs the NFC North is 17-3. That’s an .850 winning %.

    Brady’s career record vs the AFC East is 83-21. That’s a .798 winning %.

  43. The Brady – Henson debate was a HUGE story in 98/99. Carr had huge pressure to play Henson to keep him from baseball and justify the kid being the #1 recruit in the country. Henson would start the games, Brady would finish them, usually in dramatic fashion pulling out wins. Those who are old enough to remember this know this was a big story at the time. Brady finally got the job and lead them to wins over Ohio State and Bama in Orange Bowl. The scouts all blew because they failed to give credence to the intangibles over the measurable.

  44. aarons444 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:14 am

    In Wolfs defense, he had 3 NFL starters on his roster at the time; #4, Hasselbeck, and Aaron Brooks.//////
    Wolfe needs a better defense than Aaron Brooks.

  45. I knew Brady would be a star. I was standing in front of a sports book in Las Vegas a few days before Brady’s first career start in 2001. The odds of New England winning the Super Bowl had just plummeted from 40-1 to 125-1. I bet all of my money on New England to win Super Bowl XXXVI right then and there, and I retired a few months later.

    Most of that is true, anyway.

  46. Polian drafted 4 QB’s as GM of the Bills and Colts:

    Brian McClure 1986
    Matt Rodgers 1992
    Jim Sorgi- 2004 – Wisconsin
    Curtis Painter- 2009 – Purdue

    Those last 2 were Big Ten QB’s just 4 and 9 years after Polian had a “1st Round Grade” on Big Ten QB, Tom Brady.

    You know how full of it Polian is?

    Lloyd Carr, Michigan Coach in 1999, said he received ONE call on Tom Brady all season long and all off season leading up to the 2000 Draft.

    That one call was from the Patriots and their scout.

    If Polian had a 1st round pick, he would have used it on Brady in rounds 3-6 (even with Peyton). And if you have a 1st round talent on ANYONE…you are talking to his coaches in college.

    Polian did neither and put a subpar team around Peyton Manning for years.

    As soon as Peyton left Polian, Peyton went to 2 Super Bowls in 3 years with a great team around him in Denver.

    And I don’t like Peyton.

    But Polian is a complete hack.

  47. tylawspick6 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 11:10 am

    Sure, but you can pull Haynes off your list. The Sullivans were dirt poor and Al Davis wasn’t. Nothing more needs to be said there.

    Funny how times have changed. Instead of NE being fleeced or cheap back in those days, now NE does the fleecing. LOL

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    True. There are many philosophical similarities on today’s Patriots and the old Raiders teams. The obvious difference from the 70s Raiders (switched to 3-4 in early 80s) is the unparalleled 3-4 scheme run by Belichick. But to the similarities offensive line-run game emphasis, high end possession receiver (Biletnikoff-Welker/Edelmnan), dual threat tight end (Casper-Gronk), safety intimidators (Tatum/Atkinson-Harrison/Chung), elite cover corners (Brown/Haynes/Hayes-Law/Gilmore) and of course the willingness to go after troubled players with great success.

  48. Someone above said “Rodgers is a better QB and only ONE Superbowl.”

    Rodgers is, overall, more physically talented than Brady. But physical talent alone does not a QB make. There’s a lot more to the position than physical talent.

    You’re welcome to your opinion, of course – but Brady is a better QB, in my opinion.

  49. “Sh-t, yeah, I would have [taken Brady],” Wolf admitted to McGinn. “Had I known this guy was who he was. . . .”

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    Translation: Had I known he was going to be greatest player in NFL history with 6-10 SB’s and be a hall of famer, I would have drafted him.

    Further Translation: No s*** sherlock

  50. “but no one touches the great BB in the Cap Era”

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    One pick has defined his career as a “GM”. A HoF QB makes every other decision much easier.

  51. carloswlassiter says:
    September 26, 2019 at 11:44 am
    chillyball says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:54 am

    There is NO WAY Tom Brady would have had the same success playing in the NFC North. Aaron Rodgers is a better QB and only ONE Superbowl.

    It’s easy to play the Jets and Dolphins and Bills. People want to downplay this — but I don’t.
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    Tom Brady’s career record vs the NFC North is 17-3. That’s an .850 winning %.

    Brady’s career record vs the AFC East is 83-21. That’s a .798 winning %.

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    In addition, @chillyball you should watch a few Brady vs NFC North battles. They are some of the most one sided games you have ever seen.

    5-0 vs Vikings
    5-0 vs Bears
    4-1 vs Lions
    3-2 vs Packers

    14-1 against Rodgers division foes. Too bad he can’t quite beat them that way.

  52. Cleveland’s John Dorsey (Patrick Mahomes-Baker Mayfield) was Wolf’s Director of College Scouting in 2000 at Green Bay during the Brady draft.

    And a couple comments by Al Davis and John Madden on Wolf.

    “Ron Wolf is just excellent. He became my eyes and ears while I was coaching and later my co-worker and close friend. He’s one of the guys who built this organization.” – Al Davis 1997

    “Ron Wolf was a one-man full-time personnel staff. And he was the one man who could be a one-man staff. I mean, Ron Wolf knew every player everywhere. Ron Wolf’s mind was amazing. You could ask him, ‘Ron, there’s this junior wide receiver someone told me about at Alcorn,’ and he would know him. He didn’t have to go through notes and read stuff. He’d say, ‘This is who he is, and this is what he does.’ He truly had a photographic mind.” – John Madden

  53. It is interesting that none of the other QBs that BB has drafted since 2000 have done much in the NFL (Jury is still out on Mr. Garoppolo). Guess he misplaced his Ouija board?

    BB is likely the GOAT coach, but to assert he knew that Brady was going to be one of the GOAT is BS. And it is likely that neither of them would be where they are today w/o the other.

  54. Every team (including the Patriots) got it wrong on Brady…that’s why he was a 6th rounder. He’s the unicorn.

  55. 5-0 vs Vikings
    5-0 vs Bears
    4-1 vs Lions

    14-1 against Rodgers division foes. Too bad he can’t quite beat them that way.
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    Would have been nice if Rodgers had a top 5 D every year.

  56. 14-1 against Rodgers division foes. Too bad he can’t quite beat them that way.
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    17-5 against the Bears
    13-5 against the Lions
    13-8-1 against the Vikes

    4 of those games he was knocked out of due to injuries.

    43-14-1… not that far behind Brady.. against better competition, with a lesser defense, and with Hack McCarthy calling the shots.

  57. aarons444 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 12:26 pm
    5-0 vs Vikings
    5-0 vs Bears
    4-1 vs Lions

    14-1 against Rodgers division foes. Too bad he can’t quite beat them that way.
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    Would have been nice if Rodgers had a top 5 D every year.
    _______________________

    So Brady has had a Top 5 D every year he played? Maybe if Brady took every little $$ to be the highest paid QB the Pats would not be able to afford quality players. While you tout Rogers you should also be upset with him. Its funny that you wax poetic how great Rogers is yet you are always comparing him to Brady. I will say Rogers does throw a great hail mary. I am sure that is a stat of importance in the record books.

  58. aarons444 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 12:39 pm

    14-1 against Rodgers division foes. Too bad he can’t quite beat them that way.
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    17-5 against the Bears
    13-5 against the Lions
    13-8-1 against the Vikes

    4 of those games he was knocked out of due to injuries.

    43-14-1… not that far behind Brady.. against better competition, with a lesser defense, and with Hack McCarthy calling the shots.
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    Better competition? It’s the EXACT SAME competition. Brady is 14-1 vs the Vikings, Lions and Bears which is a .933 winning %. Rodgers is 43-14-1 which is a .741 winning %. And you call that “not that far behind” and then gives us a bunch of excuses as to why it doesn’t matter anyway. Facts are facts, actual results are actual results. You can choose to ignore all of them if you want, but it just sounds ridiculous.

  59. So Brady has had a Top 5 D every year he played? Maybe if Brady took every little $$ to be the highest paid QB the Pats would not be able to afford quality players. While you tout Rogers you should also be upset with him. Its funny that you wax poetic how great Rogers is yet you are always comparing him to Brady. I will say Rogers does throw a great hail mary. I am sure that is a stat of importance in the record books.
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    I respect the Patriots and the fact that they are the best organization in the League, and in recent memory.

    That does not apply to my Packers, however much I’d like it to. To blame Rodgers for that is asinine.

  60. Better competition? It’s the EXACT SAME competition. Brady is 14-1 vs the Vikings, Lions and Bears which is a .933 winning %. Rodgers is 43-14-1 which is a .741 winning %. And you call that “not that far behind” and then gives us a bunch of excuses as to why it doesn’t matter anyway.
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    Yep. My bad.

    I was talking about their records vs their divsions.

    .798 vs .741…. not that wide a margin.

  61. “Apparently you forget he was also platooning for the starting job half the year as a senior, specifically because his arm strength was terrible and Henson was considered by basically everyone as having way more talent. So no, not crazy that everyone looked over him. He was seen as a smart kid, that could probably be a decent backup in the NFL. His combine pics are shown constantly for a reason, he didn’t look like a pro prospect to anyone. Not even New England seriously thought he’d be more than Bledsoe’s backup. Stop pretending he was always great, and everyone was stupid. Everyone made an assessment based on his body of work, and his body. Everyone was wrong, end of story.”

    —–

    Brady was platooning in the first half because he was sitting behind Drew Henson who was supposed to be a would-be NFL star. But by the second half of his senior year, after Brady had been brought in to pull the game out, Brady was the starter.

  62. aarons444 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 1:07 pm
    So Brady has had a Top 5 D every year he played? Maybe if Brady took every little $$ to be the highest paid QB the Pats would not be able to afford quality players. While you tout Rogers you should also be upset with him. Its funny that you wax poetic how great Rogers is yet you are always comparing him to Brady. I will say Rogers does throw a great hail mary. I am sure that is a stat of importance in the record books.
    ======

    I respect the Patriots and the fact that they are the best organization in the League, and in recent memory.

    That does not apply to my Packers, however much I’d like it to. To blame Rodgers for that is asinine.
    ————————————

    The next three years look pretty tough with the cap # Rogers has – ’20 $32.6 ’21 $33.5 and ’22 $37. Of course this all can be re-worked somehow.

  63. “That does not apply to my Packers”

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    Ok, Vikings fan👌

    Are you really still trying this?

  64. Laces Out with another inane TB12 jealously post concerning the Pats. The Pats can never have a better system, it has to be “lucky” Guys like Edelman and Brady and a host of other late round picks or street Free Agents are all lucky signings or picks. It can never be the system is the best ever in the NFL. Its always luck.

    The most ridiculous statement is the Pats gave up on Brady because they drafted him late… haha, jealous jane… Laces Out!

  65. Everyone got it wrong when it came to Brady, even the Patriots. At that point in the draft you are just throwing darts and if anyone thought he would turn out to be half the player he was they would have taken him in the 1st.

  66. Riddle me this cheap talking Pats’ fans, if the Pats had a crystal ball back then why did THEY wait to use a throwaway 6th round pick to draft the god? Talk like this is stupid when everybody passed on Brady for the better of six rounds.

    In much the same way that Rodgers’ stock dropped to 24th overall before the Pack had a shot at him…and pulled the trigger right there, the Pats KNEW he’d be a Hall of Famer in advance but chose to sit on their hands while slobbering to get him in the 6th? Baloney! They got lucky because they had NO idea of what they were getting. MAYBE camp meat.

    Sleep well Ron Wolf. You’re Hall of Fame brother.

  67. aarons444 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 1:18 pm

    I was talking about their records vs their divsions.

    .798 vs .741…. not that wide a margin.
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    Brady is winning at .993 vs the Vikings, Lions and Bears, Rodgers is .741. Massive difference which tells you that the competition in the NFC North is clearly inferior, exactly the opposite of your initial argument.

  68. Dick Rehbein was the man who saw brady had what it takes to be a legend rip your legacy lives on in the goat!

  69. Everyone got it wrong when it came to Brady, even the Patriots. At that point in the draft you are just throwing darts and if anyone thought he would turn out to be half the player he was they would have taken him in the 1st. Wrong the pats were the only team who contacted carr about brady. they sent rehbein to scout him but remember the pats had bledsoe who just signed a 10 year 100mil deal but they drafted him as the 7th qb taken in the 6th rd.

  70. BB’s draft in 2000: (Round, name, position, games started for NE)

    2, Adrian Klemm, T, 10
    3, JR Redmond, RB, 5
    4, Greg Randall, T, 23
    5, Dave Stachelsk, TE, 0
    5, Jeff Marriott, ?, never played in NFL
    6, Antwan Harris, DB, 42 starts
    6, Tom Brady
    6, David Nugent, DT, 3
    7, Casey Tisdale, ? never played
    7, Patrick Pass, RB, 11 starts

    If he had not taken a flyer on Brady, 2000 would have been a pretty forgettable draft.

    Still GOAT coach…

  71. The next three years look pretty tough with the cap # Rogers has – ’20 $32.6 ’21 $33.5 and ’22 $37. Of course this all can be re-worked somehow.
    =====

    3-0 and the D hasnt looked like this since 2010.

    Lets revisit this down the road.

  72. Brady is winning at .993 vs the Vikings, Lions and Bears, Rodgers is .741. Massive difference which tells you that the competition in the NFC North is clearly inferior, exactly the opposite of your initial argument.
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    Wrong

    Brady is 1-1 against Rodgers

  73. Brady was just put in the right system. If he had been drafted by any other team he’d be out of the league and probably selling car insurance right now. He’s a system QB. See Matt Cassel.

  74. There’s really nothing to admit. When a HOF QB goes in the 6th round, everyone missed. Dick Rehbein, the Patriots’ QB’s coach at the time, is the only person that liked Brady, and he loved him. They had Bledsoe, so they were looking for a backup in the later rounds. Had the Patriots not drafted Tom, there’s a real good chance he would have gone undrafted. He might have never played in the NFL if it weren’t for Rehbein, who died at age 45 and never saw Tom win a super bowl. Ron Wolf is wrong to blame his scouts. I can understand a guy like Kurt Warner who played at Northern Iowa, but Brady was a starting QB for Michigan. That’s 100% on the G.M. But I don’t blame Wolf either. I’d rather just give the credit to Dick Rehbein.

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