Troy Aikman: Doesn’t make sense to compare Patrick Mahomes to me

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Troy Aikman is closing in on 30,000 retweets and 200,000 likes for his tweet this week scoffing at a comparison between himself and Patrick Mahomes.

Aikman, the three-time Super Bowl winner with the Cowboys, responded to a tweet noting that Mahomes already has 36 percent of Aikman’s career touchdowns, in 8 percent of the games by writing, “Talk to me when he has 33% of my Super Bowl titles.”

In an interview with KTCK, Aikman said he wasn’t taking a shot at Mahomes but was taking a shot at comparisons between eras that he doesn’t think are apt.

“You can’t compare anything that’s happening in today’s game to any other era,” Aikman said, via the Dallas Morning News. “[Pat Mahomes]’s been phenomenal. Great kid, love everything about him. I just don’t like when we start trying to look at numbers and saying ‘this is why this guy’s greater than this particular player, this former player,’ whatever it is. It just doesn’t make any sense.”

The league average passer rating when Aikman entered the league in 1989 was 75.6; last year when Mahomes was league MVP, the league average passer rating was 92.9. So the passing game has changed significantly since Aikman’s days, and he’d like to make sure anyone making comparisons knows that.

129 responses to “Troy Aikman: Doesn’t make sense to compare Patrick Mahomes to me

  1. He’s right about that. It’s a different game now. Current rules protect the quarterback much better now, and also the receivers. Of course he played in the pre-cap era, when a dominant team could be assembled and kept together for a number of years. So it was easier to win multiple Super Bowls back then compared to now (unless you’re the Patriots). We should just sit back and enjoy watching Mahomes. No need to make comparisons.

  2. Dallas did not win 3 Super Bowls because of Troy Aikman. Aikman had zero Super Bowl title before Dallas traded for Charles Haley and he had no ring after Charles Haley left the team. Aikman handed the ball off to Emmitt Smith over 30 times a game on average. When he had to throw on third down, he has hall of famers and pro bowl players Jay Novacek and Michael Irvin to throw the ball to. With the kind of defense that Kansas City had in 2018, Aikman would not have been able to lead his team to the conference championship game, because Aikman also had a dominating defense on his Super Bowl teams. Mahomes on the other hand guided his team to the conference championship his first year as starter and he was league MVP. Mahomes may never have a good enough defense to win the Super Bowl, but it is not Mahomes fault if he fails to win a SB ring.

  3. Charles Haley has more Super Bowl rings than Troy Aikman. Haley has 2 with Frisco and 3 with Dallas.

  4. Not just the passer ratings have changed. The rules have. Illegal contact didn’t exist. And anybody within three steps of aikman when he threw the ball could level him. Hit him in the head, hit him low, didn’t matter. Those things were all ok. No reasonable person can compare numbers across eras, and I’m sure it must pain troy to point that out to people who likely weren’t even following football when he played.

  5. Troy is right, it doesn’t make sense to compare eras. It also doesn’t make sense that Joe Namath is in the HoF.

  6. Aikman is spot on here. This is in the same vain as referring to active players as “Hall of Famers.” Extremely disrespectful to the men that have actual earned the jacket. I’m sure if a 25 year old Aikman could throw on a set of pads, drop back 50 times a game without the fear of getting his head knocked off, and was throwing to a gaggle of 4.4 40 receivers that aren’t allowed getting touched by the defensive backs, he would put up some Mahomes-esque numbers.

  7. The game is totally different today. Today’s numbers are skewed. Cannot compare statistics. So much easier to play quarterback today. I would not look at the numbers when considering hall of fame. People ask if Rivers should be in. NO. Stafford? NO.

  8. He’s right. If Mahomes played in Aikman’s era, he would have been successful, but he wouldn’t put up these #s. This era of NFL football is very diluted with all of the QB protections and defensive penalties, which is way overdone. Let them play!

  9. You could also beat the hell out of quarterbacks in Aikman’s era…and they did. Aikman’s last year he was sacked mercilessly by Philadelphia amongst others. Considering that offense primary ran the ball with Emmitt and when you did pass you were taking a few deep shots to Irvin or Harper it’s no surprise the numbers are radically different.

  10. It’s a typical response from a former player being compared to a new one. Stats are great, but those guys were judged by how many rings they got. I would expect to hear similar sentiments from most any hall of famer.

  11. If Troy did not want to misunderstood he should have been clear regarding his feelings about Mahomes in his tweet. Troy had 280 characters to express that he loves everything about Mahomes.

  12. I don’t agree with a lot of what Mr. Aikman has to say, but in this case I do. The game has changed greatly since he played. Most QB’s would love to play in this era where rules are slanted for the offense and the quarterback can barely be breathed on without a flag.

  13. Aikman played in the best era of football. 2/3 of all yards gained were on the ground, now its 3/4 passing. The comparison is ridiculous. Mahomes is an excellent QB in his era, just as Aikmen was in his.

  14. Based on pure qb ability, Aikman is supremely inferior to mahomes. At the same stage in their careers, mahomes is far more accomplished than Aikman.

  15. But he is right, I’m on 50% completion percentage was good.

    It’s a totally different game now.

  16. PM doesn’t have a star offensive line, best RB in the game or a great receiver like Irvan either. PM makes the supporting cast around him better. Can’t really say the same for Troy. Troy is a hall of famer but I don’t think he would have been successful with out that great team behind him. Just saying….

  17. No it doesn’t. Aikman was surrounded by HOFers and threw less than 20 TDs per season every season but 1992 when he threw his career high of 23. No clue way Aikman is in the HOF as a QB. He was a true game manager.

  18. The media likes big numbers, incredible flashy plays and they like slathering hot young QB’s with anointing oil. In New England, we like Lombardi trophies. When Pat has 33% of Troy’s titles, he will have 16.6666% of Tom’s.

  19. Aikman is an average to pretty good QB on a great team and has those titles. He should have just not said anything. He just looks petty here.

  20. Oh please. OF COURSE Aikman was takng a shot at Mahomes! Aikman’s been snippy since the day he realized that Romo is both a better analyst and much better liked.

    One day we’ll wake up and the #1 team for Fox will be somebody other than Buck and Aikman.

  21. The corrupt nfl pro-offense/anti-defense officiating
    that penalizes players who make plays (that in previous generations
    would warrant a vhs tape dedicated to their skill/ and aggression)
    has created a juiced offensive game playing against hesitant, castrated defenses.

  22. I think Mahomes may already be a better QB than Aikman, but three things: First, Mahomes is clearly not as accomplished…Three Super Bowls speak for themselves. Second, it certainly is a different era, and thus any comparisons are pointless. Third, no matter whether Aikman is better, or not, he did what he had to do to win; and that is the most important thing. He was always a winner, and you cannot take that away from him, or tarnish his accomplishments. He is in the Hall for good reasons.

  23. Aikman would be like a lesser, “whinier” Phillip Rivers in today’s game. Safe, but not great. That said, if Mahomes played in the 90’s, and had the offensive line like the Cowboys had… He’d have 7-8 Super Bowl rings.

    Mahomes > Aikman

  24. Aikman is only half right. He’s 100% right when he says it’s wrong to compare stats from one generation to another. But then he makes the mistake of comparing QB’s based on super bowl wins. That’s just flat out wrong. There are a lot of people involved in winning super bowls, not just the QB. Eli Manning has two super bowl rings. Is Aikman going to say that Eli was a better QB than all the great QB’s that have fewer rings? I’ll bet Troy might have had a sip or two before he made those comments, and he’s probably embarrassed when he reads them. Those are the kinds of thing that are better left for others to debate. Not classy. Aikman was a great QB, and very underrated because of the lack of glowing stats, so I understand how that could get under his skin a little. Mahomes already looks like a HOFer, and Andy Reid’s offense allows a great QB to shine brighter than he would under most coaches. Aikman could have 50 TD’s in Andy’s offense too, and Mahomes could win super bowls on those old Cowboys’ teams.

  25. davedsone says:

    Aikman is an average to pretty good QB on a great team and has those titles. He should have just not said anything. He just looks petty here.
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    “average to pretty good QB”?…..give me a break!, he was one of the most accurate passers this game has ever seen, he sacrificed personal stats for team stats & has 3 rings on his fingers now because of that.

  26. Current athletes are significantly more developed and physiologically superior to atheletes in Aikman’s day through better science, nutrition and training. He is right that they shouldn’t be compared to each other. He’s wrong that SB rings in the ultimate team sport are how you should compare the two. Marino would have won more rings on that Cowboys team.

  27. Are people really this stupid? Comparing the bloated QB statistics of today’s NFL to the glory days of the NFL when Defenses could play Defense,OL could not legally hold, QBs could be manhandled and stud RB ruled the world to the dink and dunk basketball game of today is silly and stupid. Simple fact is the game itself is not nearly as good,and much of the time is downright crappy,despite the fact the players are bigger,stronger faster.In the end, it is the game they play,not how fast they run, how far or often they throw it.Changed Rules have detrimentally distorted the game. Mahomes is a special talent, but using his numbers against HoF QB is inane.

  28. The play overerall was better on both sides of the ball then too. Rule changes and the spread offense are turning the nfl into the nba

  29. Troy’s sort of right. Mahomes is a beast passer who could eventually lead Chiefs to a title or three, but has yet to do so. But though great Troy got his titles at least partly due to Jerrah in the era just before the salary cap simply coming in and throwing his billions at coaching & roster. Indeed, it was Jerrah’s buying of titles that lead to the league introducing a salary cap.

  30. Exactly, Patrick Mahomes is already the greatest QB of all time. Just ask the Chiefs’ fans! They’ll tell you!

  31. This is why we can’t have nice things. It started out funny, with Aikman throwing some funny shade at some comments comparing the two QBs. Of course, instead of just chuckling and moving on, everyone has to seize on it, analyze, dwell on it, comment on it, etc. Now it’s just another stupid controversy that means absolutely nothing.

    Oh well, it was fun for five minutes.

  32. PM doesn’t have a star offensive line, best RB in the game or a great receiver like Irvan either. PM makes the supporting cast around him better. Can’t really say the same for Troy. Troy is a hall of famer but I don’t think he would have been successful with out that great team behind him. Just saying….

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    I know right .. it kinda sounds like Dak’s current situation is a lot like Troy’s

  33. I agree. The game is different. Mahomes is a unique talent, but I remember Aikman being pretty dominant in his time.

  34. conormacleod says:
    September 26, 2019 at 7:00 am

    That was definitely taking a shot by someone with an ego. 3 SB’s is definitely great, but Mahomes is clearly a much better QB than Aikman ever was.
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    I really didn’t see it as taking a shot at Mahomes, more of a shot at the current “annointing” Twitter trend.

    Is the goal of an NFL QB to be “much better”, or to win SB’s?

    Mahomes is definitly a generational talent- but the narrative is they lost the AFC Championship because of Dee Ford- maybe Mahomes not scoring a single point in the first half have something to do with it too?

  35. Aikman is right. Generally, when I hear a former player make a statement like this, my mind immediately goes “diva.” Aikman, however, seems to not only be one of the most balanced, but one of the former players at the booth who talks about himself the least.

  36. Why did that team have so many hall of fame players? Why did the steelers? why do the patriots have so many rings?

    Because it isn’t about one guy, it is about leadership. Look at all those guys who had great stats, ask them if they would trade it all in for a team of guy who work together and win or for headlines?

  37. Let them no troy hes done absolutely nothing in the leauge stats are great but the only one thay matters is sb wins!

  38. collectordude says:
    September 26, 2019 at 8:19 am
    Still the most IMPORTANT stat for a QB is championships.

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    Yes, because we all know that Doug Williams is better than Dan Marino, and Joe Flacco is far superior to Phillip Rivers.

  39. Maybe Mahomes can get the best OL ever in front of him, no salary cap and one of the greatest RBs behind him, too?

    haha

    Aikman is funny. Nice QB and everything, but wildly overrated in the HOF discussion.

  40. For the Cowboy lovers and view Aikman through busted glasses…he was not a HOF QB
    Year/TDs
    89/9
    90/11
    91/11
    92/23
    93/15
    94/13
    95/16
    96/12
    97/19
    98/12
    99/17
    00/7

    Throw out 89 & 00 stats and he was still limited an a team surrounded by talent. Not HOF numbers. He should thank Emmitt and Jimmy Johnson every day for his good fortune to even play on that team. What would have Warren Moon done on that team?

  41. As the biggest Patrick Mahomes fan you’ll find, I have to say I completely agree with Troy.

    Mahomes’ talent would have made him great in any era, but it was a completely different game back then as far as stats go. Insert Pat in that Cowboy offense that Aikman was leading in the mid-90’s, and you probably get similar numbers.

    Put Aikman in BB’s system in New England in the modern era, and his numbers would probably be as good as Brady’s are. It really is like comparing apples to oranges at this point.

    I remember a game when I was a kid, Dallas against the Packers. Aikman was getting pile driven to ground after every passing play, and the Packers were mauling Michael Irvin and all the Cowboy’s receivers the whole time. It’s just a totally different game now.

  42. stucats says:
    September 26, 2019 at 8:03 am
    “average to pretty good QB”?…..give me a break!, he was one of the most accurate passers this game has ever seen, he sacrificed personal stats for team stats & has 3 rings on his fingers now because of that.
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    I would be accurate too if I had that great O-line and I could throw it to Irvin or checkdown to Emmitt
    Smith.

  43. nflfan12blog says: “I really didn’t see it as taking a shot at Mahomes, more of a shot at the current “annointing” Twitter trend.”
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    “Annointing” trend has been going on for DECADES. Maybe a different medium now, but don’t kid yourself that it didn’t happen back in Aikman’s days either.

  44. In his first NFCCG Aikman beat the dynasty of the era, the 49’ers.

    Talk to me about Mahomes when he beats NE. Until then, I don’t care about his stats.

  45. Not a shot a Mahomes at all. A shot at the media trend of saying anything to generate some clicks. How bout letting a young QB play a few years before worrying about their legacy. A couple months ago Daniel Jones was disparaged by basically everyone in the media. Now after one good game and win he has become a franchise savior. What’s the rush?

  46. Aikman shouldn’t be in the HOF. It was Emmitt Smith, the OL, and the defense. KC relies on Mahomes to carry the team. Yeah there is no comparison.

  47. Play Style, there’s no comparison.
    Mahomes is a much better comparison to Romo.

    Aikman was a pinpoint accuracy guy, and perfect for Norv Turner’s offense.
    Mahomes is a creative-out-of-the-pocket guy and perfect for Reid’s offense.

  48. I agree with Troy. QB and WR protection rules make it much easier on QBs than it was just a few years ago, esp with the defenseless receiver rules. Previously, the QB was supposed to protect defenseless receivers. Now its no problem, throw it right to them and the DB has to back off.

  49. Yeah it doesn’t make sense. Mahomes is actually good – Aikman was a “game manager” at best. Immobile statue that handed the ball off 40 times a game.

  50. Aikman is being ridiculous. First he is the most overrated HOF QB maybe ever. The guy had an incredible O-Line, fantastic receivers, TEs, Fullback, a HOF RB, and was by far the least talented part of the offense. Mahomes is already a WAY better QB than Troy was at his apex. Troy is a good announcer, but he needs to remember that his team and Defense carried him to 3 SBs and not the other way around. I have no idea who compared them to each other. Mahomes is way better QB now than Troy at his peak.

  51. I think you could easily say about 90% of these players in the NFL today…couldn’t survive in the 80’s and 90’s….just as you could say the players in the 80s and 90s couldn’t survive playing in the 60s and 70s…different games really. Athletes back then didn’t take all these supplements so today people are much bigger and stronger then in the earlier decades. Tyreek Hill doesn’t have to worry about getting leveled at the line…or worry about going across the middle like Michael Irvin or Jerry Rice had to. DBs didn’t have to worry about touching a wide receivers shoulder and getting a illegal contact penalty and a new set of downs for the other team…so its stupid to compare.

  52. Looks to me like Mahomes would have been great in any era. Love everything about the kid, and I’m not a Chiefs fan.

    But if you believe the best QB’s of today would be averaging passer ratings in the 90’s playing in the same time period as Unitas, Montana, Marino, Elway, and yes – Aikman – you’re delusional.

    It was a different game.

  53. You really can only compare Patrick Mahomes only to Pat Mahomes, I’ll wager their DNA is nearly the same. Betting their heritage is nearly the same. Imagine their values are nearly the same. They probably share the same Thanksgiving favorites. The two biggest differences, I think are their haircuts and taste in music. They’re both happy the Twins won their division. But Troy Aikman and Patrick, it is silly.

  54. Nevertheless I believe that Mahomes has a real chance to be in conversation for the greatest QB of all times. Not now. 15 years from now, if he is still playing in the league.
    I mean, I’m a Patriots fan, but I’m sure that if Brady would’ve played as a contemporary of Aikman or Montana and Marino he for sure wouldn’t be able to plan to play until 45. He would be retired since 5 years by now.

    So to be in GOAT discussion you need more than talent & Lombardis, you need durability too.

  55. When Mahomes actually wins a SB then they can compare him to Trent Dilfer or Doug Williams. Win 3 and they can compare him to Troy. Win 6 and……well that will never happen…..

  56. Troy Aikman doing his worse GET OFF MY LAWN at Mahomes on Social Media came across like a guy who just woke up from a Coma back in 1996 their last Superbowl. Someone needed to tell Troy that Mahomes wasn’t the one who posted the Stuff so why is he being a WEIRDO throwing a tantrum at the kid.

  57. Troy is right. Different era. You can’t even touch QB’s or WR anymore. Aikman was taking huge shots back in the day. Mahomes, you lay a finger and you’re getting a flag, plus back when Aikman played, holding was illegal!!!!!

  58. I get the ring argument – and it is relevant and important to a degree. It is a part of a player’s – especially a QB’s – resume that paints the complete picture. But it is not the end-all be-all of the picture.

    Marino was a better QB than Aikman. (any argument there? really? do you like losing arguments?) No rings.

    Aikman had the benefit of playing on much better teams (top to bottom) than Marino. Three rings.

    This does not mean Aikman wasn’t a great QB. But he was no Marino, was he?

    Rings are not an individual metric. No QB wins a ring on his own. And I wish they’d stop being treated as such.

  59. unkleruckus says:
    September 26, 2019 at 8:44

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    Yes, because we all know that Doug Williams is better than Dan Marino, and Joe Flacco is far superior to Phillip Rivers.
    ———————————-

    Silly narrative- you are comparing, QB’s with 1 SB win to QB’s with 1 appearance or none- When you start getting into MULTIPLE SB’s things change. Flaco’s 1 doesn’t carry the same weight as Brady’s 6.

    And even so, as weird as it may sound Flacco IS better than Rivers considering his Championship, his playoff performances, the multiple HOF Offensive players Rivers had, and the overall Division strength he played in and the outdoor rain and winter element games he has had to play in.

  60. Joe Gibbs , 3 Super Bowls with 3 different QBs not Franchise guys … greatest coach ever. Let me know when someone else does it in a 10 year time frame. You have to have a great oline and defense to do that.

  61. He’s right, and he’s earned the right to talk through his play. Winning three SBs is no accident, and extremely rarefied company. And he was a big part of why those teams were successful.

    In this day, where stunted man-children obsess about fantasy points, we get addled with stats. But it’s not so long ago that winning was what everyone cared about, and the point of the whole thing was aspiring to Super Bowl wins.

    Now it’s just about huge piles of money and stats. Little wonder it’s become as dreary as it is.

  62. Yes, because we all know that Doug Williams is better than Dan Marino, and Joe Flacco is far superior to Phillip Rivers. Id take doug Williams and flacco over marino and rivers any day twice on sunday.

  63. akira1971 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 9:02 am

    Hmm, Aikman didn’t have a problem being compared to Roger Staubach. In fact, he encouraged it in an interview right before the 1989 draft.

    ========================

    Aikman was a slightly above average QB who benefited from the great o-line and offensive weapons assembled by Jimmy Johnson.

    Aikman as a QB on his own merits wasn’t even close to Roger Staubach. Staubach was a player who could will victories on his own and like Ken Stabler was a master of the 2 minute drill.

  64. It’s not that it “doesn’t make sense” to compare them. More accurately, it doesn’t make him look good that he doesn’t want to be compared. It’s OK Troy…we get it. Patrick Mahomes is going to make many QB’s look anemic in comparison as he continues to to great things. The kid is great and it’ll be fun to watch. My biggest question is: Can the Chiefs / Mahomes / Andy Reid put together a run of sustained success that will rival what the Pats / Brady / Belichick continue to do? The kid is a phenom…but what Brady and the Pats have done is already legendary and still in progress.

  65. It makes no sense to compare them… except for SB wins, right Troy?

    When I want an opinion about you and Patrick, I’ll get it from your pal Skip, ok?

  66. QB greatness is about team leadership in the biggest moments of sudden death title contention. Aikman has 3 rings which would make a great career for Mahomes and maybe he has the guts to do it, but right now he’s sitting on zero.

  67. waitstop says:
    September 26, 2019 at 8:07 am
    Current athletes are significantly more developed and physiologically superior to atheletes in Aikman’s day through better science, nutrition and training.
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    A blanket statement that doesn’t hold up in this case. Aikman was a physical specimen in his day, a guy who could give Brady Quinn a run for his money. In comparison, Mahomes looks a little flabby around the middle to me.

  68. Different era, different game.

    Yeah, Aikman had lots of good players around him, but there have been QBs with loaded teams that still lost.

    Mahomes is a different type of player, in a much different scheme, playing in a different era in pretty much every way possible.

    Let Pat be Pat and Troy be Troy. Comparisons across generations is just click bait.

  69. cardinealsfan20 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 6:55 am
    If Troy did not want to misunderstood he should have been clear regarding his feelings about Mahomes in his tweet. Troy had 280 characters to express that he loves everything about Mahomes.
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    Why do you feel Aikman has to has to write a thesis on his feelings? I thought he was pretty clear about how he feels about Mahomes. I guess I don’t fit in anymore – I take a man for his word and instead of having to be convinced. Such is today’s world.

  70. Comparing Troy Aikman and terry bradshaw…

    … Aikman has better statistics.

    So… who deserves the hof?!?

  71. I don’t understand why everyone is so obsessed with rankings and figuring out if “x better than y”. Van Brocklin, Tittle, Graham, Starr, Unitas, Dawson, Namath, Jurgensen, Staubach, Bradshaw, Fouts, Stabler, Montana, Elway, Marino, Favre, Manning, Brady, etc, etc. Why do we need to compare? Let’s celebrate all these great QBs because they dominated the game during the respective times they played in. They sure don’t want to be ranked against each other, so why do we?

  72. I agree with Troy. This is an unfair comparison. Afterall, Mahomes is still green and learning and still figuring things out.

  73. Aikman didn’t win a single game his rookie year. The Cowboys’ lone victory that fretful season came with Walsh under center. Aikman took a terrible beating and rose above it to lead the team to championships. That, to me, is the mark of a leader.

    Mahomes is a phenomenal talent in this or any other era. But he hasn’t been through the grindstone. When he suffers a terrible beating and rises above it to lead the team to victory, then he will be worthy of greatness. Nick Foles has more Super Bowl wins than him.

  74. No, because you’re probably the biggest farce in the Hall of Fame. People always bring up the 70s guys whose numbers are skewed because you could tackle receivers back then, but what’s Aikman’s excuse for his pedestrian numbers. The guy threw for 25 TDs once in his career with Michael Irvin, Jay Novacek, and one of the greatest offensive lines in front of him as well as the all time rushing leader behind him. It’s a joke he’s in. He had three great Super Bowl runs. Well, so did Jim Plunkett.

  75. If anything Mahomes reminds me of Brett Favre, with more patients. Favre played the exact same way, but was more erratic.

  76. Troy also cannot be compared to Roger Staubach either. Or Unitas, Hadl, Namath, Bradshaw or any of the ‘legends’ who had already retired a decade before Aikman ever entered high school.

    So, Mr Aikman is absolutely correct.

  77. How many mvps does troy have? And patrick?

    Whoops.

    But, troy has super bowl rings.

    The old penalize a player because his organization hasn’t cut it. Makes sense.

  78. Do an internet search on “worst nfl hall of famers.”

    I guess eli manning is MUCH better than dan marino.

    In the ultimate team game, championships determine the level of greatness for one player? Man, that marino fellow really stinks.

    I guess phil simms was a better quarterback than marino.

    jim kelly stinks, too.

  79. It is silly that sports analysts feel the need to compare who’s better. However, get over it, Troy. He’s obviously threatened by Mahomes judging by the tweet. Comparing SB victories IS a comparison.

  80. cafetero1075 says:
    September 26, 2019 at 11:31 am

    Steve Walsh could of won SB’s with those Cowboys teams.
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    But he didn’t. And had Jimmy hung around, it could’ve been 4-5 SB’s in a row.

  81. You can’t compare them because Aikman has three rings and played when football was still football in the NFL. The league gets softer every single decade and we all know it. Now, coaches can challenge pass interference.

  82. First of all. Patrick Mahomes is amazing. Tom Brady is God like. But honestly, I hate comparing today’s QBs with QBs of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. The rules have made it much easier on these QBs today. They don’t have to worry about taking a 7 step drop and having a LB on a blitz come and spear them in the chest 2 secs after releasing the ball. Does that mean they don’t get hit late? No. But it’s much easier on the mind knowing that you have the protection of the stripes. The QB and DB rules were changed because of Brady and Manning. I do know both of them began shattering records once the rules changed. Unless they change the rules back, and I can see Mahomes under that kind of pressure, with his receivers getting mugged all the way down the field, I won’t compare him to the greats of the past. I’ll just say he’s the best of his era. At least Brady and Manning played a little during the Defensive era, and showed they could compete.

  83. Too early to declare mahomes being great.
    ————————————————-
    What!?! Have you seen him play?

  84. Ppl are saying old man troys bitter etc hes being real his team won 3 out of 4 he was a big part of that and thats ehat its all about winning. he has no problem giving credit when its due he said himself that it was more of an accomplishment when the pats and brady won 3 out of 4.

  85. The only stats that are comparable over generations are wins and losses. They all played by the same rules in each of their generations. Wins are a team stat
    ..and troy has alot of them

  86. Madden-Millennials and GenZ-Stat Babies are the only ones triggered by Aikman’s comment.

    Anyone who watched football in the 80’s, 90’s knows that the game has changed so much (in the favor of the passing game) that it’s hardly recognizable. Hell, an NFL team gave Kirk Cousins $85M guaranteed.

  87. He’s right. Don’t Compare him to Mahomes. MAHOMES IS BETTER! Aikman is in because of Charles Haley and Emmitt Smith. By Game 12 Mahomes has better season stats than Aikman ever had.

    Aikman was a winner WITH the Cowboys. Mahomes MAKES the Chiefs a winner.

    Heck even Phil Simms had a better record:
    Aikman 94-71 record and 165-141 TD-INT (plus 9 rushing TD’s)
    Simms 95-64 record and 199-157 TD-INT (plus 6 rushing TD’s)

    So maybe Aikman should just be happy.

  88. “elvoid says:
    September 26, 2019 at 10:26 am
    I get the ring argument – and it is relevant and important to a degree. It is a part of a player’s – especially a QB’s – resume that paints the complete picture. But it is not the end-all be-all of the picture.

    Marino was a better QB than Aikman. (any argument there? really? do you like losing arguments?) No rings.

    Aikman had the benefit of playing on much better teams (top to bottom) than Marino. Three rings.

    This does not mean Aikman wasn’t a great QB. But he was no Marino, was he?

    Rings are not an individual metric. No QB wins a ring on his own. And I wish they’d stop being treated as such.“

    The above is a good point but unfortunately it is used to discredit QBs that win games to prop up those with better stats. Of course what this fails to realize is that no stat in football is an individual stat, since everything, literally everything a QB does depends on his teammates. The line needs to block, the receivers need to run good routes and catch the ball, the right play needs to be called or he has to identify the right play/matchup. Everyone has to do their job for a QB to have a successful statistical outcome. So really if you’re trying to compare QBs you should compare them based on how effective they are in their system and whether that translates consistently into team success. Anything else is just guesswork.

    A QB with great stats is clearly effective in their system, but if it doesn’t translate to wins you have to look at the context those stats were produced in. I think if Matt Ryan as a prime example of someone with good stats that are often produced in low leverage situations.

    A QB who wins a lot also is clearly effective in their system, but if he has bad stats you have to consider what’s driving the successful outcomes. Does he have a great defense? Is the offensive style not conducive to great passing stats? Eli Manning in his few successful seasons is a good example of this. Great defense and down field, low efficiency passing attack produced a lot of wins but maybe shouldn’t be taken as evidence of his personal greatness.

    When you have a QB with great stats that also wins consistently (like Mahomes and Brady), you can figure out that they might be pretty good players and better than most other QBs. Winning consistently with different personnel, which Peyton and Brady did over an extended period, is evidence of individual greatness. Mahomes has yet to prove that but is certainly off to a good start.

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