Packers overcome nine-point fourth quarter deficit for 23-22 win over Lions

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The Green Bay Packers turned the ball over three times, fell behind 13-0 and still ended up with a victory over the Detroit Lions with the aid of some highly questionable penalty calls Monday night.

A pair of seemingly errant illegal hands to the face penalties against Lions defensive end Trey Flowers helped the Packers score 10 points in the final 10 minutes to give the Packers a 23-22 win over Detroit.

While the Lions didn’t make the most of the opportunities they had early in the game, the two penalty calls against Flowers will be an obvious focal point of this result. Flowers was twice called for illegal hands to the face against Packers left tackle David Bakhtiari. However, Flowers’ hands never got into the facemask of Bakhtiari on either occasion as he had a hold of Bakhtiari’s shoulder pads instead.

The first call came on a third-and-10 sack by Kevin Strong that would have forced a Packers punt. Instead, the drive continued and would result in points for the Packers. Three plays after the penalty on Flowers, Rodgers delivered a strike to Allen Lazard for a 35-yard touchdown that trimmed the Detroit lead to 22-20 with 9:03 remaining.

Then as the Lions burned their timeouts to preserve a final offensive chance for themselves ahead of a Mason Crosby field goal try to take the lead, Flowers was called for the same penalty again, and once again it came on third down to give Green Bay a fresh set of downs. After Jamaal Williams sat down shy of the goal line as Detroit tried to let him score, the Packers kneeled out the clock until Crosby could kick the game-winning 23-yard field goal as time expired to gave the Packers a 23-22 win.

The Lions certainly could have done more to make those plays not matter as much as they did, but the calls were unquestionably devastating to Detroit. And that doesn’t include a potential pass interference call by Green Bay that should have been called as well.

Each of the Lions’ first three possessions resulted in drives inside the Green Bay 10-yard line, but only one drive ended with a touchdown. Kerryon Johnson‘s 1-yard touchdown run and Matt Prater‘s two field goals from 26 and 22 yards out gave the Lions a 13-0 lead early in the second quarter.

Williams would score on a 5-yard pass from Rodgers and Crosby would field goals of 37 and 48 yards to even the game at 13-13 at the break.

Prater would keep three second half field goals from 41, 51 and 54 yards as the Lions lead grew to 22-13. Then the Flowers’ penalties helped the Packers rally from 11 points down over the final 12 minutes to steal a victory away from Detroit.

Williams rushed for 104 yards on 14 carries for Green Bay as the Packers found themselves short-handed at receiver.

Kenny Golladay caught five passes for 121 yards for the Lions.

Detroit could have done more with their chances near the Green Bay goal line to put the game away. They had to settle for five field goals instead of touchdowns, but the calls in the fourth quarter will certainly be debated moving forward.

208 responses to “Packers overcome nine-point fourth quarter deficit for 23-22 win over Lions

  1. I better not see a Packers fan commenting about other teams getting favorable calls, ever. My God, that screwjob was worse than the Montreal one and the WWE is supposed to be the scripted sport here.

  2. Rodgers is good….but he has been partially created and propped up by the NFL. They do everything possible to keep the ball in his hands.

    The game is not called fair.

  3. First imaginary hands to the face gifts packers a TD. Second imaginary hands to the face gifts them the game. Not to mention the third down PI no call and Tracy walker getting a personal foul for trying to catch the ball. How can the NFL tolerate those. Credit booger on ESPN for calling it out. Refs deciding the game is an embarrassment.

  4. As I said.

    This is unacceptable .

    Patricia needs to head to the podium – let it rip – and eat the fine.

    Head to the podium and say “ this is incompetence ,
    Gross incompetence, Plain and simple. this officiating is unacceptable in a billion dollar organization. My team and the fans of Michigan were robbed on multiple plays . I will not tolerate this any longer. The fans of Detroit and my team deserve better .”

    And walk off

  5. This was some of the worst officiating I’ve ever seen in a Lions vs. Packers game. Two hands to the face penalties on Trey Flowers when he was just touching the shoulder pads? Those two penalties gifted the Packers ten extra points.

  6. Another win gifted to the Packers by incompetent/biased refs. The last Packers TD and FG (10 points) were the direct result of bad calls against Trey Flowers for hands to the facemask of Bahktiari. The Packers ALWAYS get those calls at home. Complete BS.

  7. I don’t root for the Lions or Packers, but it should be common knowledge to any die hard NFL fan at this point that when you go into Lambeau you can expect to be going up against the Zebras along with the Packers.

  8. I wish I could feel great about this win as a Packer fan. But if I’m honest, I can’t deny that the Packers benefited greatly (as in a win) from the 2 bogus hands to the face calls against Flowers. I wish I could spend this space speaking further about the gritty effort of Green Bay, but I can’t because of those bad calls by the refs and that makes me sick.

  9. It’s a shame that this was marred by poor officiating.

    I would have preferred to have Crosby kick it instead of that penalty, then watch the defense try to save the game.

    It wasn’t as lobsided as the Vikings refs this week, but it was really bad.

  10. So that’s what home field advantage is. The league doesn’t care about Detroit, just Rodgers and the Pack. Refs ruined a really good game. Would have loved to see Stafford get another chance against that Packers D with 1 minute left.

  11. The zebras gifted this one to the Packers, no question about it. Bogus hands to the face calls, when Lions defenders were being held, along with obvious Green Bay PI’s that weren’t called! These refs are the worst! SMH big time!!! And I’m not even a Lion’s fan.

    By the way, my favorite team is the Hamilton Tiger-Cats! None of this NFL nonsense for me. BTW I only saw the “highlights” of this game.

  12. They steal a win then brag about being superior. We’ll see as the season progresses. Have a competent crew call the game next time.

  13. Bad call, but there were bad calls on both sides, its just that this last one meant more. No apologies for the terrible play of the Pack, but we will takes the win. If you folks don’t like it, complain to the league, only they can clean things up, but why should they, they are awash in cash.

  14. Dear Lions Fans… you got screwed over big time. You know when the announcer on ESPN is going off about the two terrible hands to the face calls something is wrong. Unbiased and he could even see it.

  15. A terrible personal foul call, blatant interference, and the two hands to the face calls. Yes had Detroit scored one more TD in the first quarter they could have won .
    ?the only good thing is the Packers have to play the Lions, Bears and Vikings on the road.

  16. I don’t believe in the integrity of the league. When games are swayed this much and it’s so obvious, I no longer can believe the product on the field.

  17. Packers got jobbed in Lambeau against Philly. The refs gave Dallas every opportunity to come back against Green Bay. Refs are horrible but you guys act like it never happens to anyone else. Rice fumbled, fail mary. Refs cost the Packers a trip to the Super Bowl with an inadverant whistle. Cry somewhere else.

  18. At what point will the NFL remove human beings as referees and go to robots?

    I am so tired of these pathetic old men ruining good games with devastatingly bad calls

  19. Detroit is legit but so are the Packers. Down 13-0, down by 11 in the 4th, minus 3 in turnovers, no Adams, they fought through it all. I know Aaron’s game-winning drive thrilled a lot of people. First place, 3-0 in the division. Pretty darned good.

  20. I’m no fan of bad officiating. But what is an official supposed to do? Flowers hand was within a centimeter of Bakhtiari’s facemask pushing straight up into his neck, and on the first call his hand actually slid up into the corner of his facemask. There’s no chance that play doesn’t get called. If his hands “weren’t anywhere near” the facemask like the announcer mentioned, chances are the flag doesn’t get thrown.

  21. How do Goodell, Riveron and the league continue to allow this to happen? Concussions and head injuries will not be the end of the NFL as we know it, the officiating will. It’s becoming unwatchable and completely embarrassing. It’s as fake and pre-determined as the WWE.

  22. Despite replay, despite 6 officials on the field the officiating continues to get worse year on year. I am not a Lions fan but man I am so annoyed at that game in essence the officials dictated who won. Do I think it was deliberately so? No, I dont, I wish it was that would explain it. Sadly it is just garbage officiating.

    Tough loss Lions you deserved better

  23. I agree those were bad calls. Green Bay was very lucky tonite. Only thing I’ll say is Detroit had chances to score tds and had to settle for field goals.

  24. Thank you refs for giving us this game. Please help us win the Super Bowl and we’ll feed you all the cheese curds you want, for FREE.

  25. One day, and it may come this decade, we may see the Packers actually win a game.

    ___________

    So their other 4 wins they had this season mean nothing? Okay, I see where you’re coming from

  26. “They had to settle for five field goals instead of touchdowns”

    Correction: They *chose* to kick five field goals instead of going for touchdowns. The football gods did not approve.

  27. Refs should start either being suspended or fined for game changing calls like that. They straight up stole a win from Detroit tonight.

  28. madtowndan says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:37 pm

    Cue the angry Barneys
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    I reckon “Barneys” must mean every person that just wants to see a fair game called.

  29. As bad as the officiating was, settling for 5 field goals would anger me more if I were a Lions fan. Stafford was on fire and seemed like week 1 all over again for them.

  30. Aaron Rogers is like the wizard of OZ….his magic comes from the refs behind the curtain

  31. vavikingfan says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:40 pm
    A terrible personal foul call, blatant interference, and the two hands to the face calls. Yes had Detroit scored one more TD in the first quarter they could have won .
    ?the only good thing is the Packers have to play the Lions, Bears and Vikings on the road.

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    Not true. Green Bay already played in Chicago and won. It was opening night.

  32. The worst thing about the two calls against Flowers and the non-PI call against the Packers in the 4th quarter was how long the ref waited to throw the 1st flag on Flowers. He waited for the sack before throwing the flag.

    I watched both replays of the Flowers calls and on one it was clear the Packers left tackle had his hand on Flowers face mask. He also had a hold of Flowers on one call.

  33. vavikingfan says:

    October 14, 2019 at 11:40 pm

    A terrible personal foul call, blatant interference, and the two hands to the face calls. Yes had Detroit scored one more TD in the first quarter they could have won .
    ?the only good thing is the Packers have to play the Lions, Bears and Vikings on the road.

    _____________

    And if the Packers didn’t drop 3 touchdown passes, turn the ball over on a horrible fumble early in the game deep in Detroit territory, didn’t fumble a punt return that had no business being live-caught, and didn’t drop a pass on the one yard line that turned into a 60 yard interception return we’d have a completely different ball game too. But those all happened, and all Detroit could do was kick field goals. Blame Detroit’s offense. 200+ yards in the first quarter and what after?

  34. NFL is the WWE all the outcomes are already scripted!!! I might as well wait for the XFL it will be more entertaining!!!

  35. It looked like they blew the call on the Lions TD too. Never saw the ball cross the goal line from the ref that gave the signal.

  36. I’ve never seen a game so one sided in my life in the 4th quarter to spur the packer come back. No PI on Jones and 2 phantom hands to the face. The NFL is the WWE and the Lions are the Washington Generals

  37. Baktiari is the most over-rated LT in football. He held Flowers on the second hands to-face call.

    I cannot bring myself to gamble on NFL games. The officiating with the whole football world watching was discount rate.

    Nobody should ever say again that Brady/Pats get the most calls. It’s not even close while Rodgers is still playing. This is not a new development.

  38. Lion fans, now you know what the Raiders go through.
    Packer fans, now you know how it feels to be the Pats

  39. Lions fans, you got royally hosed by those two incorrect hands to the face calls. The first one was a bit hard to see until the replay, but the second one was clearly not hands to the face, and if anything, Bahktiari should’ve been called for that very thing–he initially grabbed his face mask. Really a terrible call that enabled the Packers to take it down to 2 seconds and kick a winning field goal. As a Packers fan, I’d be lying if I said I hated that the Packers get another win, but I truthfully hate when terrible calls by the refs determining the outcome. But you have a much improved team and it should go down to the wire for NFC North division.

  40. TWO horrendous game changing calls against Trey Flowers that were non-existent.
    Football is becoming unwatchable with all these calls and it’s even worst when I find myself agreeing with Booger on both calls. SMH

  41. The 1st call on Flowers was earlier in the play when the OL’s back was turned to the camera and the penalty was harder to see, but it was there. And the booth explained that one to us- you can’t have your hand in the opponent’s face or neck area. The 2nd one barely mattered, the Packers were moving the ball at will on that last drive. What about the uncalled hold that kept a Lions FG drive going in the 1st half? Congrats for a great game by both teams.

  42. Let’s just be abundantly clear here. 9-point lead for the Lions. They get a sack on third down, and a late flag comes in for illegal use of hands to the face. Completely bogus call. Packers score TD. Then Lions throw deep and Packers commit interference, but it’s not called. Then Packers drive and are stopped on third down, but another bogus flag comes in for illegal use of hands to the face. This allows Packers to run out the clock and kick a field goal to win as time expires. The refs took control of and changed the outcome of the final three drives of the game, directly causing an illegitimate Packers win.

  43. They say usually a few plays impact the game. Well the Lions didn’t get an obvious PI on Jones called, having to punt to GB. The refs decide to give them 2 gifts on what would have been 4th down. unbelievable …if you don’t think it’s wwe than you must not be watching

  44. I’ve been watching the NFL for almost 40 years, can’t do it anymore. The officiating is so bad it has taken the joy out of the game. This Lions/Packers game should have an asterisk next to the score. Dear NFL, until you seriously overhaul your officiating system, you have lost my business.

  45. Not a fan of either team, so it didn’t matter to me who won.  But, I am wondering why they bothered playing the game?  I get a missed call here or there, it happens.  However, manufacturing penalties to keep one team in the game is another matter.  Those illegal hands to the face calls on Flowers rank right up there with the worst calls so far this year. Those are not subjective calls like PI, the man either has his hand in the illegal area, or not. Both times his hand is on the shoulder pad.  The NFL, the Refs, or both need to be investigated.  I know it sounds farfetched, but in today’s world, who knows.

  46. “Dear Lions Fans… you got screwed over big time. You know when the announcer on ESPN is going off about the two terrible hands to the face calls something is wrong. Unbiased and he could even see it.”

    They will fire or suspend the announcer for being honest and saying it on TV.

  47. aa1829 says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:39 pm

    Bad call, but there were bad calls on both sides, its just that this last one meant more. No apologies for the terrible play of the Pack, but we will takes the win. If you folks don’t like it, complain to the league, only they can clean things up, but why should they, they are awash in cash.

    ____________________________________________

    The bad calls went almost entirely one way.

    The two hands to the face calls, the personal foul on the injury on the incomplete pass and the missed PI on Detroit’s 3rd down play were all bad, bad misses.

  48. What an inaccurate headline. The refs stole the game from Detroit via the personal foul, the no call on the obvious interference, and the two ghost hands to the face. Just awful!

  49. I get the “the Lions shouldn’t have settled for 5 FGs” argument, but they’re sorta shallow in this instance. Detroit did more than enough to win tonight against a good defense. They just got hosed on the other side of the ball.

  50. The NFL is the WWE!!! The outcomes are already scripted!! I’d rather watch the XFL at least you would suspect that from them!!

  51. BS calls tonight. Lions got hosed. Not sure they would’ve won but to have the opportunity to try denied because of an idiotic call like that is just sad. Not as sad as the whiney Viking fans in here, but pretty close. Detroit fans, tough loss…sucks to go like that.

  52. You know it’s bad when Booger has to call out the refs changing the game with bad calls. 3 of them in one quarter.

  53. The Lions lone TD was stopped short, and shouldn’t have been any points. The first hands to the face he actually did catch the face mask at the end of the play. The Packers should have been called for pass interference, but the Lions pushed Aaron Jones to the ground 10 yards into his wheel route.

    The refs sucked. But the only two egregious calls were the TD and that late bogus hands to the face call.

  54. In a tight game refs matter, and tonight it didn’t matter as the refs wanted to ensure GB a vicotry

  55. The officiating has become as demoralizing as Roger Goodell’s continued employment. The ratings are going to start going back down again.

  56. I don’t find myself agreeing with Booger all that often, but the officiating in the final 10 minutes of that game was inexcusable. There are way too many instances where a botched call influences the outcome of a game and I am getting sick of seeing it. I am not going to attribute motive to it and say it is “fixed”or anything like that, it is just incompetence.

    The NFL is a multi billion dollar industry, they need to hire Refs full time and do whatever it is that can be done to fix this. Technology has made it possible for us as fans to see every angle possible on the field of play….maybe the answer is an independent group, not in the same union as the refs to review officiating in real time and when a mistake is made call it down immediately. This would potentially lead to some additional game stoppages, but not as much as review or Coach’s challenge.

    **Not a Lions or Packers fan (or Vikings fan) just someone who doesn’t like investing over 3 hours of his time watching a game where some idiot in a zebra’s outfit can randomly dictate the outcome….and often does.

  57. This kind of biased officiating will be the sport’s demise. It’s also why the NFL hasn’t gotten a single cent from me for over a decade, and never will again.

  58. TWO horrendous game changing calls against Trey Flowers that were non-existent.
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    Sorry but that’s incorrect. The first call was correct. You maybe were listening to booger (he missed it) but one, and only one of the replays showed Flowers’ hand slide up Bahk’s throat and hook the earpiece of his helmet. I paused and rewound that one shot several times and it was clear. Nitpicky but by definition a penalty. Too bad it only showed it on the one replay. The second call was absolute hot garbage.

  59. I don’t care who won. It looked like point shaving for Detroit. The spread was 4 and the pack gave it up by sitting. It just looks bad. I don’t care for their reason.

  60. 3 bad calls/no call on 3 successive drives all favoring the Packers. Surprise surprise. Refs steal another one for Green Bay.

  61. Rodgers get’s by with a little help from his friends .. in the striped shirts.

    4th and 20 to 1st down .. whatever perks the refs get under the table it is money well spent.

  62. Still waiting for an angle that shows the ball crossing the plane for the lions only td of the game.
    That said, if you don’t execute when it matters then you allow the officials to determine the outcome. 5 field goals…. if you kick 4 and add one more TD this never happens

  63. I TOLD YA.

    I have been talking about corrupt nfl officiating for years.

    Small market and/or not popular teams have been getting jobbed for years.

  64. The packers get so many calls they think that is normal and that they deserve it. The NFL needs to stop propping this franchise up. At the most they should be 3-3. The offensive linemen get to hold on every play. The DB’s get to hold as well it must be nice. DB knocks an arm away while Jeffry is trying to catch a ball, they review it an they still get away with it. You could go on and on pointing out the gifts they get it is sickening.

  65. Pathetic excuses. While I agree that the hands to the face penalties was wrong call, you can’t blame the refs for the loss. Last I checked the Lions only scored 3 field goals in 2nd half. Also the refs didn’t throw the TD pass or kick the 2 fgs that ultimately won the game. There were uncalled pass inferences on BOTH sides. I recalled an uncalled offensive pass interference on the Lions that wasn’t called. Stop with pathetic excuses.

  66. Refs made a few bad calls (I don’t think that was PI) but the Lions had 4 chances to win and had to kick field goals. How about the ref calling lions short on 4th and goal. Plus 3 Packers turnovers. Lions need to look at themselves.

  67. Results should be erased from the record book. If they need to play a game that has bearing on the playoffs in Dec, match them up again, with a totally different ref crew.

    That, was some disgusting refereeing. Just, really bad. Blatantly obvious bad calls/no calls.

    Why bother watching rigged games anymore?

  68. Steelers fan here. That was horse s***. Detroit was robbed. I’d be pissed it I was a Lions fan. In fact, I was for watching that load of garbage. Seems the NFL was determined to help the Packers come back on live TV. If you’re a packers fan, hide your face in shame.

  69. The first hands to the face he actually did catch the face mask at the end of the play
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    Thank you! Obviously doesn’t fit the narrative tonight but dvr’s don’t lie and if it were possible, I’d post a screenshot proving it…Flowers got the helmet for a second at the end of the play on that first one and while I’ve seen worse not called, it was a penalty by definition.

  70. I also don’t see anyone complaining about the Lions first and only touchdown in the game, considering he was down at the 1 yard line, but let’s focus on the two calls at the end that forced the Lions hand. Not the 5 field goals and stagnant offense in-between. Or the three terrible turnovers that could’ve resulted, at the very least, being 6 points and ended up being +9 for Detroit.

  71. I have always said “Never let the Refs decide the game.” Unfortunately the game was decided by the refs at the end of the 3rd quarter. The NFL just lost a lot of fan base. Now they need to figure it out because 3 Hrs can be spent much more wisely than supporting a league that’s broken.

  72. Seems to me the lambeau leap by Crosby was a little misplaced…. should have been ref that flagged trey flowers 2x for hands to the face that never happened that leaped into the crowd.

  73. Alan Light says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:36 pm
    Detroit 22
    Packers 13
    REFS 10

    typical packer game, esp vs Lions
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    Typical? You do know the Lions have beaten the Packers 4 straight prior to tonight?

  74. Yes those calls were bad against the Lions. But I’d like to make two points. First of all the last call did not win the game for the Packers. They would of still kicked the field goal and left little time on the clock for the Lions. Secondly, the Lions were GIVEN a TD in the 1st Quarter on a TD that wasn’t a TD. It wasn’t that officials call to make. The official on the side of the line where the ball was run came charging in, saw it wasn’t a TD and confirmed it with the Referee. So….. Both teams were screwed tonight. Enough with the “Packers always get the calls” crap.

  75. In the 90s the Packers got jobbed in Dallas every year, game after game I watch Reggie White spend the entire game looking out of the roof of texas stadium because the zebras wouldnt call Erik Williams for hands to the face. Watch one of those games. Some of you guys can learn alot from Stafford.

  76. So, again I see horrific calls at the end of the game. These blind refs see nothing even though right in front of their deer in the head light looks. I am basically done with lame sport. Even worse watching a LA Charger team dominated by lame transplants. I always thought how are you a fan bailing your city for San Diego

  77. Questionable calls are a part of both professional and high-profile amateur sports, but if you honestly believe the game is rigged in favor of the Packers or any other NFL team, then there’s no reason to continue to watch or pay any attention to the league going forward. Just quit cold turkey. If you really think the NFL is crooked, then walk away and organize with like-minded fans to apply pressure to the league to effect meaningful change. And stay away and keep the pressure up until you honestly believe the fraud has been both exposed and removed.

  78. sphincterorleaveher says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:41 pm
    You play the Pack, you also have to play the refs.

    It is known
    ————————
    Yup. All that help the Packers got the last two years and couldn’t even make the playoffs. I’d demand a refund if I was the Packers. Good lord. The whining is rampant tonight. The refs suck in every damn game against every damn team. It’s a fact. Just watch. Ask Cleveland about their last game. it’s awful. But the NFL does not care. However, we’ll all get to suffer through adding hands to the facemask calls next year as reviewable. The NFL is a damn joke.

  79. Does Goodell and Riveron just have a blank apology form letter ready to send out on a regular basis?
    Dear (fill in the blank) team owner, GM & coach,
    After reviewing the film, we acknowledge that our officials made the wrong call on the (fill in the blank) play(s) in your most recent game.
    Please accept our deepest apologies.
    Sincerely,
    Roger and Alberto

  80. Another thing the NFL should consider is younger officals maybe guys that might have actually played the game. Expecting old guys to see things that happen that fast and be athletic enough to get in position to see what they are suppose to be watching for is lacking.

  81. Everyone claims refs yet Lions kicked 5 FGs. These are why the Lions are the Lions. Anyone notice that the Lions kicked 5 FGs yet or are you too busy worrying about the refs? Sounds pathetic. Worry about ending teams when you can.

  82. Let’s also not forget the lions receiver fumbling out of bounds for a first down in packer territory. Oh wait, let’s review that, says the refs….I guess it was incomplete although the receiver took 3 steps before the ball came out….4th down Lions.

    Exact same play two weeks ago in Chicago, receiver Diggs catches a pass, takes 2 steps, ball comes out, called incomplete. Reviewed, called a fumble. Bears ball.

    Officiating is bias and decides games. Plain and simple. Tonight it was made perfectly clear, again.

  83. I didnt care who won, but to blatantly miss calls in crucial situations is unacceptable as a fan of the NFL! WHERE ARE THEIR FINES? THEIR SUSPENSIONS? Granted, the Packers were down several players, however the Lions had every opportunity to win the game as well. A division game like this and two penalties really decided the game, 3 if ya count the no call on the PI that should have been on Green Bay.

    It comes down to money folks, see Detriot is in a bigger market but Green Bay has this small town vibe.Like the game of football was invented there. Who sells more jerseys online or in the mall? Nope it’s not the Lions, catch my drift? I’ve said it for years the NFL wants a Brady vs Rodgers Superbowl.

    If the officiating has to give it a little nudge in the right way, it will. Same old song and dance, Lions will complain to the NFL, NFL will see refutable evidence of no hands to the face, Lions get an apologetic letter from the NFL. TIME IS RUNNING OUT! Bradys getting close to retiring right?

  84. First off the officiating was bad, as a Packer fan I will admit that. My question is, on the obvious PI on Redmond why didn’t Patricia throw a challenge flag?

  85. The bad calls tonight were particularly bad and favored Green Bay tonight, definitely. Not guaranteed the Lions would have won with the correct calls being made, but they should have had a better chance.
    But this stuff about being the NFL’s favored team…the NFL conspiracy to push the Packers is so effective that they are coming off of two straight losing seasons, and haven’t won the Championship since 2010 despite having a HOF QB, as is so often pointed out here. Every team gets robbed. Every team’s OL holds a little on every drive. Every team gets away with PI now and then. If you selectively remember only the ones that hurt your team, then it looks like a conspiracy, I guess, but it makes no sense. What’s in it for the NFL? To keep the huge southeastern Wisconsin market happy?

  86. The Lions definitely got screwed tonight, but the conspiracy theory stuff is moronic. The Packers played Philadelphia and came up on the short end of a couple of PI non-calls. If there were a grand conspiracy to have GB win, wouldn’t the Packers have gotten those calls? There’s no doubt that some franchises, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Chicago, NY Giants, New England, and Dallas, are more important to the league than others…Detroit and Minnesota are a couple that don’t really matter…but for there to be a great conspiracy to make sure those teams win, those teams would always have to win. Of those teams only NE has won recently.

  87. An Analogy to understand how people react on this forum.

    A guy is running late for work (5 field goals). He knows he’s running late, but knows if he just speeds he’ll make up his time (5 field goals). On the way to work he runs into two separate traffic jams (REFS). Now these traffic jams are out of his control. Who fault is it that he is late for work?

    Of course it’s the traffic jams!

  88. What about the punt fumble when the replay showed the Packers recovering the Packers recovering the ball? That led to a Lions FG.

  89. Packers got away with one. Rodgers made plays with third string receivers and the defense made Stafford one dimensional. There were objectively some bad calls and Matt Patricia handled it with class. The Lions’ arrow is pointing up.

  90. I don’t see anyone complaining about the 4th and 1 that the Packers stop yet the Lions were awarded a TD.

  91. The refs…but it s not only the refs, some rules are just bad.

    A player catching the ball with two hands, then choosing to keep it with only one hand, and then fumbling the ball in this process, is not ruled to have completed a reception because he made 2 steps instead of 3 before fumbling the ball…

    When you catch with 2 hands and you choose to drop one, you have control of the ball… if you fumble when you try to tuck the ball with 1 hand against your body , it’s a ball handling issue, it has nothing to do with the prior reception with 2 hands.

    The steps, making a football move, that s bullsh..

  92. The first Lions TD was weak- two different refs signaled differently

    Trey’s first foul his hand slips up to the face at the end

    The Pass Inference on The Lions last drive was most likely PI and it wasnt called but this year you can challenge those, so blame Matty P for not throwing the Red laundry

    The 2nd Trey Foul was BS and would have made the field goal tougher and given The Lions a chance to get into Field Goal range with about 1:30 left, if crosby made his.

    But thats how the games go now-a-days. Im sure with so many calls made now, we can go through all them and find bad ones and go through all the plays and find missed ones. Teams just have to put more into their opportunities when they get them..ie: maybe electing to go for it more on fourth down when you have chip shot field goals..I dont know..but every single team has benefited or been hurt by a bad call(s) before and that wont change.

  93. I’m a Packers fan and can’t enjoy that tainted win. I was worried when Williams went down on the 3 to keep the clock running that Karma would come into play and Crosby would miss the field goal, would’ve served them right. It wasn’t the Packers fault the ref’s were terrible but I sure can’t celebrate their greatness either.

  94. Christmas came early for the Packers this year!
    The NFL is getting to hard to watch now, what with all the flags literally on every play! There is no continuity to the game anymore.

  95. Reminds of a Seinfeld episode in which his girlfriend saw him scratch the side of the nose, but thought that she saw him pick his nose instead.

  96. Florio’s idea for a booth ref to review all flags before they’re announced on the field makes more and more sense. Why shouldn’t refs have as good a view of this as fans at home.

  97. Watching those horrible calls that gave the Packers the “win” made me physically ill. Now reading the comments from most Packer fans trying to claim this was anything other than an illegitimate victory makes me sick again. Have you no shame?

  98. Steelers fan here. That was horse s***. Detroit was robbed. I’d be pissed it I was a Lions fan. In fact, I was for watching that load of garbage. Seems the NFL was determined to help the Packers come back on live TV. If you’re a packers fan, hide your face in shame.
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    Okay, I’ll humor you and assume that the calls were bad. Even then why should the fans hide their face in shame? What about the refs who actually made the calls?

  99. May as well just go all in and put some folding metal chairs on the sideline to be used at the appropriate moment by the pre-determined winner. “there is no foul on the play, the receiver accidentally collided with the metal chair when the defensive back was arranging it to his comfort”.

  100. Packers got jobbed in Lambeau against Philly. The refs gave Dallas every opportunity to come back against Green Bay. Refs are horrible but you guys act like it never happens to anyone else. Rice fumbled, fail mary. Refs cost the Packers a trip to the Super Bowl with an inadverant whistle. Cry somewhere else.
    Let’s not forget the Clay Matthews calls
    Gave Vikings a win

  101. I’m watching the game. The failed 3rd down play happens. But a flag comes in to keep the drive alive for Rodgers. I shut off the tv and went to bed knowing full well Rodgers would keep getting chances to win. It was 22-13 at the time.

    It’s pretty sad when you can predict the outcome and how it will end.

  102. As a Packers fan, I’ll take that win. The Zebras took 2 wins from us last year against the Rams and Vikings with bogus roughing the passer penalties against Clay Matthews. And I’ll never forget the failmary. Suck a lemon!

  103. Pkrlvr.
    …,replays showed Flowers’ hand slide up Bahk’s throat and hook the earpiece of his helmet. I paused and rewound that one shot several times and it was clear. Nitpicky but by definition a penalty.
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    You had to pause and rewind it several times to determine if it was a penalty?

    Normally, a penalty is called because it’s obvious and no rewind and review is even necessary.

  104. hodaghunter says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:54 pm
    Still waiting for an angle that shows the ball crossing the plane for the lions only td of the game.
    That said, if you don’t execute when it matters then you allow the officials to determine the outcome. 5 field goals…. if you kick 4 and add one more TD this never happens
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    In most cases you are probably right.
    But when it involves the Packers, at Lambert, and the 100th season, I’m not convinced the outcome changes.

  105. Wow. That is a lot of whining. Practically every comment was written by someone e with tears in their eyes.

    Reality is that Detroit lost the game. Not because of 1 apparent bad call either. Detroit couldn’t turn turnovers into enough points. 3 turnovers and only 6 points? There is why Detroit lost.

    This officiating hysteria is getting real old. People act like it is something new where officials make mistakes. They get to see it
    one time, live and at game speed. We get to see it 10 or 20 times, in slow motion. I would like to see somee of you who aregwhining go try to officiate a game

  106. Lousy officiating but if Matt Prater is your main horse you ain’t going that far anyway. Don’t know how the refs missed that pass interference call the last time the Lions had the ball.

  107. jackyaj says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:57 pm
    I wouldn’t want to be the Vikings Sunday. Lions are heated! Refs going to reward back them. LOL
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    And this is why the NFL is becoming unwatchable. Ref’s admit a mistake that screwed one team. Then the following week they reward that team, while screwing the next team.

    And I agree, I think the Vikings will likely be penalized a lot this week.

  108. Now, just for a minute close your eyes and imagine… imagine it was the NFC championship game and not week 6. But saints fans are such whiners, right. NFL has a serious problem. LionsGotRobbedToo.

  109. Answer this question HONESTLY for me. If Trey Flowers hand had a grip on David Bakhtiari’s should pad instead of being in his face and is pulling Bakhtiari with that hand, and on the first call it looked like it on the replay, shouldn’t it be defensive holding? If so, it would also have resulted in a Green Bay first down.

    On the Lions’ touchdown, one official ruled the ball carrier short of the goal line and one ruled a touchdown. There was no definitive replay showing the ball crossing the goal line. The refs “gifted” the Lions a touchdown on that 4th down play.

    The uncalled pass interference contact was far less egregious than the non call at the end of the Patriot – Giant game that wasn’t called even after being reviewed. I agree there was some contact but it was minimal and didn’t appear to impede the Lions receiver. Aaron Jones was knocked to the ground but no PI called against Detroit.

    Do the officials stink? Yes, but bad calls go against all teams.

  110. The game almost looked rigged….. I’m starting to wonder if now that gambling is legal if certain people aren’t getting a little something in their bank accounts for making sure things go as PLANNED!!!

  111. I can’t add anything more to what 90% of the posters on here said, other than it’s funny how this happens to The Lions so often.

    I do hope this is a rallying cry for the rest of the season, and they take all of their frustration out on the Vikings and absolutely DESTROY them on Sunday!!

    ROAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #ONEPRIDE

  112. Let’s face it, the refs have been awful across the league all year long! The kitty cats had plenty of chances to put us away and did not! The calls were wrong but a team should never put themselves in a position where two bad calls cost you the game!

  113. Rule 12, Section1, Article 7: ILLEGAL USE OF HANDS BY DEFENSE Edit
    It is a foul if a defensive player thrusts his hands or arms forward above the frame of an opponent to contact him on the neck, face, or head. Note: Contact in close-line play that is not direct and forcible is not a foul. Penalty: For Illegal Use of Hands by the Defense: Loss of five yards and an automatic first down

  114. Hey all you whiney babies! My name on here has always been refssuck444 for a reason. Packers have had tons of horrible calls and lost games…even lost playoff games because of officiating over the years. Refs helped us lose a game this year! Go cry to someone else because we dont care. When we finally catch a break, I’m not going to feel too bad about it.
    They were bad calls and as a Packer fan, Lions have a right to be angry, but as a Packers fan that’s had the same issues, that’s what happens and it evens out.

  115. The title of this article should be “Lions can’t overcome bad officiating”. Packers didn’t overcome anything, they were gifted yet another win. Ever wonder why all the marqee national TV games are played in Lambeau and why the Packers never have an away game in primetime? NFL wants to market them. Just like they want to market Rogers.

    I should call Vegas now. NFL wants Rogers to win another title.

  116. tokyosandblaster says:
    October 14, 2019 at 11:39 pm
    It’s a shame that this was marred by poor officiating.

    I would have preferred to have Crosby kick it instead of that penalty, then watch the defense try to save the game.

    It wasn’t as lobsided as the Vikings refs this week, but it was really bad.

    You just cant help yourself can you. Your referring to a blowout win by the Vikings in which there were a total of 79 penalty yards between the two teams. Yep that was some horrible officiating that handed the Vikings a win.

  117. When we finally catch a break, I’m not going to feel too bad about it.
    ——————
    “Finally catch a break?”
    Bwahahahaha!!!!
    You’re kidding right?
    You cant even see how the field is tilted in favor of AR and the Packers every year. It should be investigated.

  118. theyearofthecat1 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 8:23 am
    I can’t add anything more to what 90% of the posters on here said, other than it’s funny how this happens to The Lions so often.

    I do hope this is a rallying cry for the rest of the season, and they take all of their frustration out on the Vikings and absolutely DESTROY them on Sunday!!

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Sorry kitten about the calls. But destroying the Vikings ain’t going to happen. lions drop to 500 last in the NFCN next week.

  119. Laughable the posts when the Packers win by whatever means. Also laughable the posts when the Packers lose by any means. Just plain laughable any way you look at it.

  120. I typically defend officials since I am one. But, this season has been a poor one on the officiating front. Across the board it’s been so poor.

  121. tinye67 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 9:00 am
    When we finally catch a break, I’m not going to feel too bad about it.
    ——————
    “Finally catch a break?”
    Bwahahahaha!!!!
    You’re kidding right?
    You cant even see how the field is tilted in favor of AR and the Packers every year. It should be investigated.
    ——————————
    Every year? Do you even pay attention to football? As a Packer fan I want a rebate on buying off the refs for the last two years for missing the playoffs.

    Here’s a question for all you conspiracy theorists out there? Why do you continue to watch? It makes no sense. We all have two choices. Quit watching or quit whining. The refs have sucked for many many years and it is only getting worse. As long as we keep watching, nothing will change.

  122. Let me get this outta the way – Lions should have won that game, they had plenty of opportunities. Okay we all know that. But to see some of the comments by the Cheezers is hilarious this one especially…….

    blocker1958 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 9:28 am
    Every year? Do you even pay attention to football? As a Packer fan I want a rebate on buying off the refs for the last two years for missing the playoffs.

    ——————————————————-

    You didn’t make the play-offs because Rodgers was hurt, there was no money to be made….lol. Its the 100th NFL season and wouldn’t it be great if the NFL’s Golden child and team make it to the Super Bowl? There was professional football way before the the 60’s Packers. I have never gotten the “mystic” about Lambeau and Packers nation. There are other teams with just as strong fan base like Pittsburgh, Oakland, Dallas etc. In fact the first ever NFL football game ever played was right across the river from me in Rock Island Illinois. But yet Sconnies and the media always find a way to glorify the Packers. Packers fans won’t ADMIT THE PENALITIES SKEWED THE GAME AND THE OUTCOME!.

  123. Let me get this outta the way – Lions should have won that game, they had plenty of opportunities. Okay we all know that. But to see some of the comments by the Cheezers is hilarious this one especially…….

    blocker1958 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 9:28 am
    Every year? Do you even pay attention to football? As a Packer fan I want a rebate on buying off the refs for the last two years for missing the playoffs.

    ——————————————————-

    You didn’t make the play-offs because Rodgers was hurt, there was no money to be made….lol. Its the 100th NFL season and wouldn’t it be great if the NFL’s Golden child and team make it to the Super Bowl? There was professional football way before the the 60’s Packers. I have never gotten the “mystic” about Lambeau and Packers nation. There are other teams with just as strong fan base like Pittsburgh, Oakland, Dallas etc. In fact the first ever NFL football game ever played was right across the river from me in Rock Island Illinois. But yet Sconnies and the media always find a way to glorify the Packers. Packers fans won’t ADMIT THE PENALITIES SKEWED THE GAME AND THE OUTCOME!.

    There is money to be made here folks and the NFL has been wanting a Brady vs Rodgers matchup for years in the NFL and what would be a better time then the 100th anniversary of the NFL!

  124. Time the NFL fine the refs, call them on the carpet, suspend them for X games and quit blowing off all the fans by ignoring this. Its ruining the game.

    The NFL is so worried that their image would be tarnished if they punished refs for being lousy. The refs are lousy because they know their bad calls can get reversed by replay so no harm no foul. We’ve trained them well to just make a call and it will be fixed if wrong. No problemo

  125. Why not let every call be reviewable? Last time I checked it doesn’t change the number of challenges a team gets so how does it really slow down the game? I didn’t watch the whole game so I don’t know if the Lions even had challanges left but I’m sure if they did they would have used them on those Flowers calls. Those were pretty bad calls that would have easily been overturned on replay. In all honesty on the last one it appeared in one replay the Packers lineman put his hand on Flowers’ facemask at one point…

    It doesn’t get much worse than that

  126. Everyone is talking about the NFL today. Goodell must be laughing all the way to the bank and preparing next week’s “outrageous errors” for us to talk about all day long.

    “Let’s see, everyone in New England thinks I hate Brady and the rest of the country thinks I love him – I’ll go with a phantom pass interference in the 4th quarter if the Jets are somehow close. If not, we can always get someone for a fake roughing the passer on a 3rd down incompletion.”

  127. The Lions kicked 5 field goals hockenson needs to catch the ball in the end zone that’s the second time he has dropped a ball and it’s not completed the process (I mean the real process)… you’re not at Iowa anymore they’re going to compete harder and hit you harder. I used to laugh at my brother talking about how the NFL is rigged… I’m not going to lie I’m not laughing anymore and the comparisons to WWE don’t seem so silly anymore the game was a joke… and the guy on here who says well “what’s the ref supposed to do his hand was so close to the face mask …close isn’t on the facemask hands to the shoulder is not the same as hands to the face… anybody who sticks up for Green Bay today did not watch the game despite the fact they kicked five field goals they still got screwed …I don’t know what else to do except have a guy up in the booth and when he see something that’s called immediately Buzz down and say pick the flag up move on….that’s about the only thing you can do if these guys want to have their game regain any of its credibility they need to go to something like that I am out

  128. mrdarkness13 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:07 am

    You didn’t make the play-offs because Rodgers was hurt, there was no money to be made….lol. Its the 100th NFL season and wouldn’t it be great if the NFL’s Golden child and team make it to the Super Bowl? There was professional football way before the the 60’s Packers. I have never gotten the “mystic” about Lambeau and Packers nation. There are other teams with just as strong fan base like Pittsburgh, Oakland, Dallas etc. In fact the first ever NFL football game ever played was right across the river from me in Rock Island Illinois. But yet Sconnies and the media always find a way to glorify the Packers. Packers fans won’t ADMIT THE PENALITIES SKEWED THE GAME AND THE OUTCOME!.

    There is money to be made here folks and the NFL has been wanting a Brady vs Rodgers matchup for years in the NFL and what would be a better time then the 100th anniversary of the NFL!

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    I’ll say this one more time. If you truly believe the NFL is rigged, then just stop watching. If you’re going to continue to watch, then just stop the whining. There is no frickin conspiracy. good lord, people sometimes just don’t think.

  129. I cannot bring myself to gamble on NFL games. The officiating with the whole football world watching was discount rate.
    **********************************

    Then you’re missing out on free money. Here’s my advice – take the money line on all Pats games, GB games at home, and whoever’s playing the Dolphins and Redskins. Also, take the underdog in the London games and the home team on Thursday night. You’re welcome.

  130. This reminds me of the niners seahawks nfc championship where the Seahawks got 4 extra possessions in the fourth quarter because of refs and one infamous 15 second play clock on 3rd and 1.

  131. Pathetic excuses. While I agree that the hands to the face penalties was wrong call, you can’t blame the refs for the loss. Last I checked the Lions only scored 3 field goals in 2nd half. Also the refs didn’t throw the TD pass or kick the 2 fgs that ultimately won the game. There were uncalled pass inferences on BOTH sides. I recalled an uncalled offensive pass interference on the Lions that wasn’t called. Stop with pathetic excuses….

    The Lions had 22 points, ahead by 9 when the refs took over. It didnt matter if they kicked field goals or scored touchdowns. The refs gifted the Packers 10 points. What a debacle

  132. This can’t be true.

    I’ve been told more times than I can count that Rodgers doesn’t win when he’s trailing against winning teams.

    I demand an inquiry!!

  133. blocker1958 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:10 am

    mrdarkness13 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:07 am

    You didn’t make the play-offs because Rodgers was hurt, there was no money to be made….lol. Its the 100th NFL season and wouldn’t it be great if the NFL’s Golden child and team make it to the Super Bowl? There was professional football way before the the 60’s Packers. I have never gotten the “mystic” about Lambeau and Packers nation. There are other teams with just as strong fan base like Pittsburgh, Oakland, Dallas etc. In fact the first ever NFL football game ever played was right across the river from me in Rock Island Illinois. But yet Sconnies and the media always find a way to glorify the Packers. Packers fans won’t ADMIT THE PENALITIES SKEWED THE GAME AND THE OUTCOME!.

    There is money to be made here folks and the NFL has been wanting a Brady vs Rodgers matchup for years in the NFL and what would be a better time then the 100th anniversary of the NFL!

    —————————————-
    I’ll say this one more time. If you truly believe the NFL is rigged, then just stop watching. If you’re going to continue to watch, then just stop the whining. There is no frickin conspiracy. good lord, people sometimes just don’t think.

    ————————————————————————

    I think, I think it was home cooking, off the top of my head, packers had 13 men out on the field, the PI that wasn’t called, the personal foul that wasn’t personal the defender was going for the ball, hand to the face…….stop rationalizing Packer nation on own up to the fact that your squad got away with one!

    Now PFT talking Rodgers for MVP candidate? Cousins has more TD passes 9 as of right now, better completion percentage (69.7) and higher QB ranking at (108.4) and has only thrown one more interception more than A A Ron. And Cousins is average at best! Get over it Packer nation, you are not entitled, you are not football royalty, you are not title town and you couldn’t even beat the Eagles at home!

    Some people don’t think!

  134. ‘Pack overcomes 9 point deficit…’ ‘Rodgers does it again…’ ‘Detroit could finish…’ please Detroid did enough to win. Give credit where credit is due – don’t make up heroics. The Refs won.

  135. If the 2nd hands call hadn’t been made the Packers still would’ve kicked a short FG and the Lions still would’ve had to drive for the winning score. So there’s really no way to say the refs “definitely” stole this one from the Lions.

  136. The 13 men on the field for the Packers is a false narrative. A time out was called before the ball was snapped… When play resumed there were only 11 players. The refs handled that correctly…

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