NFL needs someone who can explain, defend, apologize for questionable calls

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When it comes to mistakes routinely made by game officials, the NFL is less transparent than construction paper. Fearful of the potential negative impact of admitting what is often obvious, the NFL unreasonably protects officials by never acknowledging their blunders publicly.

This refusal to be candid regarding bad calls hurts the league in various ways. Among other things, it invites the tin-foil hat crowd to think that the league wants certain teams to win, and other teams to lose. Although I’ll never believe that happens (indeed, it would be nearly impossible to pull it off seamlessly and even harder to keep someone from blabbing about it in off-the-record discussions, a tell-all book, and/or a deathbed confession), people who are wired to presume the worst will, in the absence of a reasonable, clear, and cogent explanation to the contrary.

So here’s the solution: The NFL needs to hire someone who will serve capably as a spokesperson for officiating matters, available to radio shows, TV, podcasts, etc. and willing to face tough questions and to answer them in a way that inspires confidence in the game.

When, for example, officials throw a flag for an illegal hit to the head of a defenseless receiver and broadcasters mistakenly rail against the fact that the defender was simply trying to catch the ball, the officiating spokesperson needs to be able to say, calmly and persuasively, that intent doesn’t matter when a defenseless receiver is struck in the head or neck area. When, for example, the officials make a mistake, the officiating spokesperson needs to admit that a mistake was made, explain how and why it happened, and move on.

The league used to have something like an officiating spokesperson when Mike Pereira and, after Carl Johnson, Dean Blandino served as the V.P. of officiating. Pereira and Blandino routinely appeared on NFL Network, and often elsewhere, to discuss candidly the calls that drive fan and media discussion in various formats. Al Riveron isn’t available nearly as frequently; instead, he produces periodic, broad-brush social-media videos to explain specific calls of interest, along with a weekly officiating video for the media that rarely addresses the most controversial decisions, highlighting instead examples of proper rules application that involved no mistakes and created no uproar.

The current uproar in the aftermath of Lions-Packers demonstrates how important it is for the league to have someone who can quickly mobilize for day-after interviews, not to spin but to embrace the kind of candid truth that allows fans to realize that, yes, mistakes happen and that, no, it doesn’t mean that the league office instructed the officials that it would be preferred for Green Bay to win the game.

204 responses to “NFL needs someone who can explain, defend, apologize for questionable calls

  1. Officiating and rules became a joke in week 1 last year with Clay Matthews was flagged for roughing the passer and it cost GB the game. Been a joke ever since

  2. Riveron isn’t good at this job, which shouldn’t be a surprise because he wasn’t a good referee, either.

  3. I think having a person serve in this role is an overreaction and is not at all necessary.

    -Packer fan.

  4. Listen – last night was TERRIBLE for the refs but let’s not act like the Packers are getting all these calls though. Anyone remember the Philly DB literally wrapping up GMo on the GL leading to a game ending INT? Clay hitting Cousins in the chest that brought back a game ending INT last year? Every team is going to get hosed at one point or another.

    Maybe Detroit shouldn’t have settled for 5 FG’s…

    Go Pack! 5-1 babaaayyyyyyyy! 3-0 in the division! #ThePackIsBack

  5. If intent doesn’t matter when there is a helmet to helmet collision, how do you determine who to throw the flag on? If two players dive for the ball at the same time and collide, why is it automatically a penalty on the defender? Wouldn’t it make more sense to not throw the flag in these situations?

  6. I mean… if you are going to cheat and
    you have disinformation specialists (like mike pereira)
    strengthening the lies… you have chosen your path.

  7. After the game in the tunnel… Aaron Rogers: “Thanks guys, how much we owe you?” Officials: “Awe shoot, Aaron, we’ve never charged ya before!”

  8. NFL is going to lose more fans if something doesn’t change now. The fans are the ones paying your bills. Fix it!

  9. anyone feel free to respond. but lets have a calm rational discussion. what exactly did walker do wrong that justifies a penalty? and what was he supposed to do? he was going to catch a ball, and their helmets collided. couldnt allison be at fault for hitting walker’s helmet too? does he not accept a little onus for his position on a football field?

  10. “people who are wired to presume the worst will, in the absence of a reasonable, clear, and cogent explanation to the contrary.”

    The tinfoil hat people will always presume that the games are fixed, regardless of whether the smartest person in the world provides the perfect explanation. These nutcases lack the intellect and education to understand anything.

  11. No mention of the screenshot all over Facebook showing the first hands to the face call is 100% legit? I’d post it if I could.

  12. The only place the pack is back, is back in the locker room paying off refs – lions should be in 1st today, shake on the nfl

  13. I don’t always agree with Mike Florio, and sometimes I vehemently disagree, but he’s dead on point with both of these ideas:

    1) equal member of the officiating crew in the booth who can overrule calls on the field;
    2) NFL officiating spokes person.

    The Browns game was seriously compromised by bad calls as well. A 7-point game where the Browns were robbed of a touchdown by a missed call. There was also a phantom PI that set Seattle up with 1st and goal at the 1-yard line.

    At what point are we allowed to start “blaming the refs”? The Cleveland game and the Detroit game were obviously dramatically altered by obviously wrong calls.

    Legalizing sports gambling was a mistake. Already it’s popping up into people’s minds that the fix is/would be fairly easy to accomplish in modern America.

  14. “NFL needs someone who can explain, defend, apologize for questionable calls”

    I cannot ever agree with this line of logic.
    IMO the NFL needs to reset its absurd annual Point of Emphasis BS, make slower changes to rules which also require NFLPA support (yes, I really just said that). Oh yeah, and fire Goodell.

  15. I know PFT has said this many times already but the headline to this story should be “Al Riveron needs to be replaced” end of story.

  16. We have have that already from the NFL Mike. Calvin Johnson “didn’t complete the catch” bs. The NFL needs to greatly improve the quality of it’s officials. Set age limits you have 70 year old men trying to keep up with 20’s professional athletes.
    Secondly they need to fire guys that get it so wrong. Review officials included, those guys are worse they don’t have to run to get in position. It has been 10 years or longer where it is really a problem and the NFL doesn’t seem to do anything but add more stupid rules for the refs to screw up. They are very close to seeing people leave in mass because it looks fixed especially when it involves the packers too darn often. Their linemen hold on every play and the DB do too. Their advantage over other teams is too much and calls like last night looks like WWE. When the average fan with no horse in the race can witness it and say the Lions got hosed bad.Your product has a problem. The college game doesn’t seem to have half the problems the NFL does. They know what a catch is. They know what interference is and so on. NFL needs to make it right soon.

  17. Apologize? This is the NFL…they won’t even release the psi data from 2015..you will be waiting a very very long time to get Goodell to ever say they were wrong.

  18. It was a great night for NFL conspiracy theorists. Trey Flowers was never once flagged for illegal hands when he played for New England. And, of course, every game is rigged for Green Bay.

    Seriously though, that was lame. I have a feeling this will affect playoff seeding significantly. Detroit should have gotten the ball with a minute to play and a chance to win. At least there would have been closure if Stafford threw a pick to seal the game.

  19. “Riveron isn’t good at this job, which shouldn’t be a surprise because he wasn’t a good referee, either.”

    You did not know that Riveron had been a referee until long after he assumed his current position. You have no idea whether Riveron was a good official on the field.

  20. In that situation you let borderline infractions go. You don’t throw the flag unless it’s obvious and or blatant. Detroit got hosed. Packers got a free one. Hopefully karma will get them. Oh they’ll bring up the Mathews play from last year…

  21. Referees need to treat game rules like cops treat speeding. They don’t write tickets for 55 in a 50. They do for 70 in a 50. Otherwise, it’s a warning.

    Flag flagrant stuff. let the player play otherwise.

    This isn’t hard.

  22. tritz32 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:34 am

    Maybe Detroit shouldn’t have settled for 5 FG’s…
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    Those five field goals were plenty enough to win the game if not for the egregious calls against them. Maybe Green Bay should learn how to convert third downs without the benefit of insanely ridiculous calls in their favor?

  23. Rudy Guiliani is available. People won’t even remember the original scandal because he will invent 5 more before the end of the interview.

  24. No, we need a new commissioner and owners who are not wiling to cheat the fans and the sport.

    These are not one-off situations where you see bad calls happen in every sport.

    This is a concerted manipulation of the outcome of games. There is a difference.

    Give every ref truth syrum and just ask if they are told by Goodell’s office to officiate in favor of one team over another.

  25. Hey, if you’re honestly looking for someone to do some serious Tuesday morning apologizing, the league should tap Kirk Cousins for the job.
    I hear he’s good at it.

  26. Bill Belichick likes to say “never put the game in the hands of the refs” by which he means win convincingly. But last night’s game was not about a single bad call like the NFCCG Embarrassment. This was a pattern of poor judgements that invites speculation of favoritism. We are in uncharted waters here. I don’t believe we’ve seen this before. Not a lot is left to interpretation.

  27. I don’t see how hiring someone to “explain, defend or apologize” for questionable and/or bad calls is going to help inspire confidence in the officials. Just need better officials (who probably need to be working full time at being officials) and/or to use the available technology to fix their clear mistakes.

    We have all heard the NFL’s explanations, defenses, and (in rare occasions) apologies for bad calls for years now and it never makes anyone feel better or inspires confidence when the mistakes just keep happening each week and affecting games.

  28. tried to watch the cowboys/jets game sun. felt like there was a flag every other play. at least. then the last drive there was a flag every play.

    i would be disgusted except for the fact i already accepted this league is one step above pro wrestling nowadays. getting harder to watch w/ each flag.

  29. Fabio is a dirty, stupid, selfish player don’t try to defend him. He head hunts in a time when they call it. How m any times does he have to get called for it before he lowers his target? His helmet hits the QB’s helemt on every call. Is it devastating hit no and because of that it looks ticky tack but come on stupid stop hitting the QB’s helmet with yours.

  30. Officiating calls happen every game – some good, some not so good. Its whining like this that keeps getting more reviews and replays involved. Game on – suck it up and move on.

  31. The tinfoil hat crowd has grown due to:

    1. Increasingly bad calls made at critical point in games that are often deciding the
    outcomes.

    2. The inconsistency of the bad calls/non-calls (flagged for 12 men for the lions but not
    13 for the pack?).

    3. The league”s “Emperor has no clothes” mentality about admitting the refs are routinely
    making bad calls/non-calls.

    4. The uselessness of the challenge/review process, when even my golden retriever can see
    the foul on replay.

    5. The incessant barrage of penalty flags in any given game this year. It seems like every
    other play is a penalty this season.

  32. It’s a lot of fun seeing a 99% agreement on all these posts that the green bay packers continue to be the beneficiaries of poor officiating. I’ve been saying for years that the packers are the leagues protected franchise and this is the most outrage I’ve seen for a single game’s outcome.

    congrats, packer fans. everybody now knows your franchise is a giant fraud. you can continue to try to troll away on Viking, lion, and bears posts like you always, but now the other fanbases know the truth.

    I’m almost glad this happened so the other fanbases can see how blatantly obvious it is the packers have the refs in their back pockets. the only reason Rodgers has had a good career is because of bogus penalties and non-calls on his offensive line for holding that allows his drives to continue.

    Green Bay Packers = FRAUD organization.

  33. What good will that do? How about getting the calls right in the first place? Then you won’t need an apologist

    Use the technology that’s available. It takes 2 seconds to see a horrible call on TV, why can’t there be an official in the booth watching replays and correcting calls? It’s not rocket science

  34. erinrodgersreachednirvana says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:45 am
    why do people act like bad calls are a new phenomenon?

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    Oh no they aren’t new. However, the gregariousness and volume of these calls that directly impact the game are going up. It’s been happening all season but last night took the cake on national TV. It’s either bias, ineptitude, or straight up fixing games. Pick one.

    Anyone defending last nights calls are either a Packers fan, don’t like the Lions, or a contrarian. It’s defending the indefensible. In the 4th quarter alone, there were 4 plays that contributed to point swings and essentially gifted the game to Rogers. Not to mention the awful call on Walker who was trying to intercept the ball and was near ground level. Or the fact GB had 13 guys on the field (no call) or that Zadrius Smith was offsides on his sack of Stafford. I could go on. One thing is clear the NFL is becoming almost unwatchable this year.

  35. “no, it doesn’t mean that the league office instructed the officials that it would be preferred for Green Bay to win the game.

    Bears, Lions and Vikings fans laugh uncontrollably at that statement.”
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    And here we the perfect example of someone whose tinfoil is wrapped too tightly around her/his head. Anyone who thinks that the league office issues such directives also believes that Bigfoots are wandering around the forest.

  36. zoellner25 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:31 am
    Officiating and rules became a joke in week 1 last year with Clay Matthews was flagged for roughing the passer and it cost GB the game. Been a joke ever since
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    Actually, it all started when Rodgers got hurt the year before when the Gumby’s complained and the NFL gave us the new roughing the passer rules. Until Matthews got called. Then they didn’t call them as much.

  37. Totally ridiculous, more and more every week it seems to be rigged. Why don’t they just get on Madden and simulate the season, it sure would save a lot of time.

  38. Me after Wrestlemania in the 3rd grade: Oh wow, Hulk Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant l

    My Mom: You know that wrestling is fake. It’s a scripted show

    Packers fan after last nights game: Oh wow, did you just see that miracle comeback by Aaron Rodgers and the Pack.

    The rest of us: You now that football in 2019 is fake. It’s a scripted show

  39. They need to do much more than that. These officials need to be fired, the NFL and probably the FBI need to investigate their gambling ties, and the game result should be thrown out.

  40. The packers are the worst team in the division but the nFL has them in 1st place at 5-1. Their real record is more like 3-3.

  41. Last night America witnessed indisputable evidence on National TV that ‘Fake News’ is deadly.
    Just as the Refs fixed the game to favor Green Bay for the outcome the NFL wanted so also are the News Media, Universities and the Left controlling the outcome of news/history that is being pumped into the gullible minds of the TV watching world.

    Unless people wake up and demand TRUTH & INTEGRITY the freedoms of our entire nation will soon expire.

  42. The NBA releases a play-by-play report for the final 2 minutes of every game going over all calls including what was missed, etc. Debatable if it actually improves officiating (NBA has their own officiating issues, after all) but it does acknowledge that mistakes are made, provides details on why calls were right or wrong and shows somebody from the league is critiquing officials every game. The NFL has never had anything remotely like this and when they do comment on controversial calls it’s almost always a rubberstamp approval of the refs. You can’t fix anything until you admit it’s broken.

  43. Me after Wrestlemania in the 3rd grade: Oh wow, Hulk Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant

    My Mom: You know that wrestling is fake. It’s a scripted show

    Packers fan after last nights game: Oh wow, did you just see that miracle comeback by Aaron Rodgers and the Pack.

    The rest of us: You now that football in 2019 is fake. It’s a scripted show

  44. The NFL continues to become more and more of a laughing stock due to the nonsense taking place on and off the field. And that can only mean one thing. It’s almost time to give Goodell another raise.

  45. It’s a (sad) statement when former competent officials give up their 6-figure salary with the NFL and take a 7-figure gig with one of the TV networks criticizing the officiating. Can you imagine baseball with former umps in the booth?

  46. pkrlvr says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:38 am
    No mention of the screenshot all over Facebook showing the first hands to the face call is 100% legit? I’d post it if I could.
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    You admitted that you had to review the play, from many angles to determine that, Yep ! It’s a penalty.

    If you have to review, replay, slow mow, review and replay to prove a penalty, it likely wasn’t a penalty. If you have review it to prove, how in the hell can a 50 year old man see it at real time?

  47. Can we go back to the 90’s NFL, where quarterbacks could get tackled, refs weren’t trying to predict intention, where a catch was a catch not a football move/process, and replay didn’t exist?

  48. There’s definitely money being made by someone who has access to these refs, if not the refs themselves. Blatant miscalls in crucial points of the game would raise suspicion to anyone. It’s something that should be investigated, but of course the NFL isn’t going to investigate the NFL.

  49. Apologies mean nothing, would only further antagonize. The NFL has gone too far down this road. Imagine the months of prep, game planning and 100% effort to fall short because of some person’s poor judgment, bad eyesight, inherit bias or worse. That is what is happening. It is now fully out of control. We dont talk about the great plays, the unsung heroes, we talk about this. Because it is ruining the game. Period. I doubt I will still be watching my own team before season ends. This is the beginning of the end, because those running the NFL are way too stupid to get it and they are all making huge money, so who cares? They don’t. “It’s just part of the game, we may not like it, but it is.”

  50. endtimesparty says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:52 am
    Bill Belichick likes to say “never put the game in the hands of the refs” by which he means win convincingly. But last night’s game was not about a single bad call like the NFCCG Embarrassment. This was a pattern of poor judgements that invites speculation of favoritism. We are in uncharted waters here. I don’t believe we’ve seen this before. Not a lot is left to interpretation.

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    That’s true, except it doesn’t excuse what we’re talking about here. Pats fans have seen this for years when NE goes way up on an opponent and how the opponent gets back into the game comes from phantom flags.

    Ironic that Trey Flowers, a former Patriot, was involved in this last night.

    Just because Pats Haters or other fans don’t see every single snap of a Pats season, doesn’t mean NE has not seen this as an automatic now for over a decade. It’s becauae of Goodell and how they want ratings to be higher and higher due to falling ratings and untapped revenue the league expected to have by now.

    It’s GREED.

  51. Funny, They can call back a Viking touchdown against the Packers because the NFL saw what they THINK is a penalty in the background of the score. I see the real blocking before the ball is caught every week in every game I watch and its never called. But they only call it when the Packers are losing?? Now the Packers win on more fake calls?? You can’t make this stuff up! The fix is in and the NFL had better clean up their act quickly.

  52. Please, the NFL knew they were wrong during framegate, but rather than admit it, they doubled down trying to justify suspending the GOAT, until they had to admit to Federal Judge Berman they had no evidence.
    Now , you expect them to actually admit they were wrong regarding penalties ?? If they didn’t do it during framegate, why would they suddenly do it now???

  53. What a drive. Ate up the last six minutes of the game with their top two receivers out and won on the last play. Great job. This being done despite 3 turnovers and numerous dropped passes throughout the night. If the Lions don’t focus on these facts the Vikings will shred them on Sunday.

  54. You forgot the Lying, cheating, payoffs and completely bias officials that celebrate win their team after the game. As evidenced in last nights game at a dump by a lake green baby.

  55. They need someone who can give us alternative facts about bad calls? I doubt it. It will just make things worse. Just admit that a mistake was made and come up with possible solutions to try to reduce mistakes in the future instead. There is no question that the league fixes games through officiating. In 2013, they decided not to call defensive holding for an entire season, and that allowed the Sea Dorks to win their first and only Super Bowl. No doubt in my mind that someone played kingmaker that season.

  56. What is really incredible is that the Packers actually RAN THE EXACT SAME PLAY The Saints ran in the NFC Championship that resulted in the “No-Call” debacle!
    THat is some kind of Karma right there!

  57. Ok Detroit Lions yearly victim (fan) here. On the Walker play I think the league has made pretty clear that any contact like that will be a penalty on the defense. The hands to the face were terrible blown calls that the OL did a great job selling. The league wants its stars to look good so if Detroit wants to beat GB they better do better than 5 field goals. The play I hate in all of football is the QB running around 10 yards behind the line and throwing it away just before he gets sacked. They have all but eliminated hitting the QB so get rid of that play if your not throwing it away to avoid a loss it is a sack

  58. accept it, the nfl is fixed…welcome to the new era of the NFL brought to you by Jerry, and Robert, aka Frick and Frack.

  59. The lions had fifty eight yards in the second half. You think that if the Lions had the ball with 80 seconds left down one they’d have scored?

    We’re you watching the game? Take away the lone TD by the Lions which wasn’t really a TD, and they’re truly down 8 with 80 seconds left.

    The refs sucked the whole game. The last flowers play was a bad call. It’s just because it was at the end that people are complaining.

    The Refs have taken so many games away from the Packers; most recently last year with the Vikings. It happens to every team. This time it went the Packers way.

  60. I told my kid last night that the Lions were going to get some phantom flag called on them on 3rd down to help bail out the Packers on that last drive. Several plays later the flag was thrown.

  61. dabears7190 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:38 am
    Just let me know when it’s a Packers team whining about the officiating not going their way. Because it never happens.

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    You mean like the Seattle Hail Mary TD that was clearly intercepted by Green Bay but ruled a Seahawks touchdown? There was plenty of Packers whining on that joke of a call.

  62. 1. Refs should have to give post game conferences like players and coaches. 2. Where has been the outrage the last decade when Patriots win due to the refs?

  63. I accept that the obviously inappropriate personal foul flag on the play where the Detroit defender was actually diving at ball was understandable human error as in real time I do not fault officials for flagging what their eyes told them they saw. But after seeing replay for the nfl official to stand behind the call being correct is pure stupidity, shameful, and embarrassing. How does a player, offensive or defensive dive at a ball and leave his head behind him? And didn’t the receiver do exactly what the db did when diving at the same ball? Yeesh.

  64. When it comes to mistakes routinely made by game officials, the NFL is less transparent than construction paper.

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    Construction paper is usually thicker than other materials so I think this is a bad analogy. Maybe tissue paper or saran wrap?

    Anyway, I don’t the NFL needs to hire anyone. Why not just make the VP of officiating do all the talking? He should be held accountable for the product he puts on the field. It’s like a HC needing to hire someone to speak for him after losses so he doesn’t have to answer the tough questions himself.

    Instead of a scripted response anyway by this newly hired person, I’d rather have some sort of explanation from the refs themselves why or why not a flag wasn’t thrown. Answer could be as simple as “I didn’t see it. I was looking at somewhere else.” Or, maybe the ref will say “From my angle, I saw the hand near the face mask and the lineman’s head was arched back so I called hands to the face”.

  65. radrntn says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:11 am
    accept it, the nfl is fixed…welcome to the new era of the NFL brought to you by Jerry, and Robert, aka Frick and Frack.

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    Please stop claiming Kraft is in bed with Goodell. It’s ridiculous. The NFL has been caught twice going out of its way to frame the Pats to steal draft picks and embarrass them, while trying to distract them during a SB.

    This has actually been authorized for 25 years now with NY offices wanting more money for the NY market and encouraging the Jets to sneak behind NE’s back to try to hire Parcells away without NE’s permission.

    If you follow the money, clearly more money comes out of NY than NE, even with NE’s longstanding successes.

    It’s the tv revenue that matters now with the gambling and fantasy leagues.

    It’s preposterous to think that after all of this evidence of NY trying to stop NE from pulling money away from their biggest market with the Giants/Jets, that somehow NE is favored or has this power.

    If anything the Pats have had to fight through being cheated, with mixed results.

  66. The NFL rules committee needs a complete clean out. They need to focus more on this type of BS, and inconsistent officiating than making new rules, and then changing the application of said rules after the season starts. Early on, the new PI challenge rule was used to change non-call PI to ticky-tack PI calls and vice versa. I don’t mean to say this is why the Steelers lost to Seattle (there have been the same type of calls against other teams), but a reversed non PI call to PI was a factor with 8:54 in the 4th quarter. The throw was behind Lockett and he spun around on his own to attempt a catch. Had the call been left alone, it would have been 3rd and 20, instead it was a 38 yard penalty and 1st down. As stated, maybe Seattle wins anyway, but that’s not the point. The point is, they have blatantly changed the application of the new rule midstream because they see what a Pandora’s box they have opened up. Now you can mug a guy all the way down the field, and they will not reverse the non-call. I watch a lot of football, and what goes on in most of these games if beyond ridiculous. Again, I don’t care who you root for, they are ruining the game with inconsistent calls, and it’s easy to see why more and more people feel that some games are rigged. Maybe not a league mandated rigging, but remember the NBA ref??

  67. “The NFL needs to hire someone who will serve capably as a spokesperson for officiating matters,…..” What is Roger Goodell getting paid for?

  68. Intent doesn’t matter? Moronic if it’s true. If both players have right to the ball, then why not call Allsion for a hit to the head? If both of their intents were to catch the ball, why was Detroit flagged?

  69. Watching the replay. The wr’s helmet hit the side if the defenders helmet. So who contacted who. If a flag was thrown, should of been on wr

  70. Totally agree Florio, I think what you have proposed is a great solution to this problem, particularly the in-stadium official who is upstairs.

    I don’t know why the NFL has such a hard time getting this right, but they seem to screw it up every step of the way.

    Now we need to figure out how to get Booger MacFarland off of the Monday Night Football broadcasts. Easily the worst commentator on any of the networks right now.

  71. westcoastnowbaby says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:32 am
    Is Bozo the Clown available
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    Unfortunately he is unavailable. He’s currently acting as the commissioner of the NFL.

  72. edukator44 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:37 am
    anyone feel free to respond. but lets have a calm rational discussion. what exactly did walker do wrong that justifies a penalty? and what was he supposed to do? he was going to catch a ball, and their helmets collided. couldnt allison be at fault for hitting walker’s helmet too? does he not accept a little onus for his position on a football field?
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    I agree both guys were diving for the ball, and both players have the right to try and catch the ball. Why is it the defenders fault when both players were diving to the same spot?

  73. Its mandatory that players and coaches make themselves available right after games. Why are the official allowed to scurry like rats into the night without being questioned?

    After all, theyre being paid just like coaches and players. Zero accountability.

  74. oldtrix says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:53 am
    The tinfoil hat crowd has grown due to:

    1. Increasingly bad calls made at critical point in games that are often deciding the
    outcomes.

    2. The inconsistency of the bad calls/non-calls (flagged for 12 men for the lions but not
    13 for the pack?).

    3. The league”s “Emperor has no clothes” mentality about admitting the refs are routinely
    making bad calls/non-calls.

    4. The uselessness of the challenge/review process, when even my golden retriever can see
    the foul on replay.

    5. The incessant barrage of penalty flags in any given game this year. It seems like every
    other play is a penalty this season.

    7 4 Rate This

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    Umm, yeah, I don’t think greed and stop at nothing for the greed, while being caught cheating from NY offices, has anything to do with tin foil hats. It has to do with the NFL owners’ main focal point which is money over anything else.

    Yep.

    Greed and the quest for greed has nothing to do with wearing a tin foil hat.

    If anyone is off on this, it’s people like you who are so naive and gullible about how the world works.

    Get out of that basement and check it out sometime.

  75. That game was a travesty. Let’s see what they say today. Remember the NFL has never offered an explanation for how two refs looking right at the infamous “non call” in the Saints vs. Rams NFC Championship chose to miss three penalties on the same play — pass interference, hitting a defenseless receiver and unnecessary roughness.

    While the league changed the pass interference rules, it still has the negligent refs working games and has never discussed or provided fans or the betting public what, if any action it took toward the people who made the huge mistake.

    Bottomline, it doesn’t evoke confidence in the integrity of the product !!

  76. A better ref talking head isn’t the answer, the answer is refs that are better trained and in better shape. I just can’t believe these games are intentionally rigged — if so, it would ruin everything about the NFL for me, and that would be the worst.

  77. You forgot the Lying, cheating, payoffs and completely bias officials that celebrate win their team after the game. As evidenced in last nights game at a dump by a lake green baby.

    You must be a product of the quality Minnesota public school system. Either that or English isn’t your first language.

  78. Nice thought, will never happen. Question the NFL? That’s exactly the opposite they want. How dare to impugn their authority! What will get their attention is when people start tuning out which is what I did after that one penalty on Flowers. I just could not watch it anymore thanks to the terrible calls. It was nice an MLB playoff game was on so I could watch but if this is the way the NFL is going to call games I just won’t tune in. Every game is impacted now, just a matter when the flags will start dropping. Let the players play the darn games, that’s what viewers want.

  79. I’ll say this: Nelson Agholor got *mauled* on a deep ball and color commentator Charles Davis did about as good a job as anyone possibly could do at explaining why that wasn’t DPI. I didn’t buy it, but at least he made some sense.

    The NFL should really take a look at his commentary and get him on board. He really knows his stuff.

  80. Sarah Huckabee Sanders could use a job. And she has extensive experience explaining, defending, apologizing.

  81. thinredline69 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:13 am
    dabears7190 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:38 am
    Just let me know when it’s a Packers team whining about the officiating not going their way. Because it never happens.

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    You mean like the Seattle Hail Mary TD that was clearly intercepted by Green Bay but ruled a Seahawks touchdown? There was plenty of Packers whining on that joke of a call.

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    It’s funny that’s the most recent example you can come up with being that happened 10 years ago. Those were replacement refs, they weren’t on the take. Seems like the Packers have quite the streak going

  82. If Roger’s job is to “take the heat” and deflect the blame from his 32 bosses, maybe Riveron’s job is to be inept and therefore “take the heat” and deflect the blame from Roger.

    Seriously, Riveron is so bad that I rarely hear anyone blame Roger.

  83. pioniere says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:22 am

    . . .Now we need to figure out how to get Booger MacFarland off of the Monday Night Football broadcasts. Easily the worst commentator on any of the networks right now. . .

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    Only one man stands in the way of me agreeing with you wholeheartedly. . . and that man’s name is Dan Fouts.
    Mr. MuteButton, is what he is known as in my household.

  84. The NFL is like wrestling. they need story lines. They need the bad guy. They need the come back game. They need the close game to the last minute. Refs cannot win games but they can influence it. How else do u get the non pass interference in the rams saints game they needed L.A. to go far to put fans in the seats.

  85. Ron Jull says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:26 am

    Its mandatory that players and coaches make themselves available right after games. Why are the official allowed to scurry like rats into the night without being questioned?

    After all, theyre being paid just like coaches and players. Zero accountability.

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    Officials have accountability — to the league; not to the press, not to the media, not to you.

  86. Come on – GB had the MN win in MN last year if not for a phantom roughing the passer call on Mathews.

    It happens to everyone – so Florio and Detroit get over it.

    The most intelligent comment I ever heard on officiating came from Jason Garrett after the Dez catch/no catch vs GB – Garret said that there were 200 other plays in the game and one questionable penalty DID NOT beat the Cowboys.

    I will agree that the pass interference situation is a joke. There was a clear PI not called on Detroit last night and LaFluer did not bother to review – he knew it was a lost cause. That’s maturity.

    What is imature is Florio’s moral righteousness and Detroits indignation.

    Florio, why so indignant now?

  87. vanmorrissey says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:30 am
    Nice thought, will never happen. Question the NFL? That’s exactly the opposite they want. How dare to impugn their authority! What will get their attention is when people start tuning out which is what I did after that one penalty on Flowers. I just could not watch it anymore thanks to the terrible calls. It was nice an MLB playoff game was on so I could watch but if this is the way the NFL is going to call games I just won’t tune in. Every game is impacted now, just a matter when the flags will start dropping. Let the players play the darn games, that’s what viewers want.

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    Exactly. These aren’t accidents. These are orders given by Goodell before games.

    They’re not going to apologize for things that they want in the first place.

  88. I wish everyone would just shut up and stop whining. It’s a fast game and the refs are human. Bad calls are part of the random factor, just like the weather and turnovers. If your team lost, it almost certainly wasn’t because of a bad call, or an OT coin flip. If it comes down to that, they probably just didn’t make enough plays. Enough! The games aren’t fixed and there’s no conspiracy theory by the NFL. I, for one, think every new rule change cheapens the game. Does it really matter if the league comes out and says they whiffed a couple calls? Help ya sleep better?

  89. Anyone who thinks that the NFL is purposely trying to impact the outcome of games via referees is delusional. As are those who believe “fans will turn away from the NFL in droves”.

    There’s no doubt a few of the calls in last night’s game were errant, and officiating is inconsistent. But over the course of time, they all even out. The Lions have benefited from errant calls over time as often as they have been damaged. The same is true for all teams. There were missed/errant calls that went against the Packers last night too. It happens.

    If bad officiating has turned you off so badly, or you honestly believe that the NFL is rigged, then join those “droves” of fans who have stopped watching, and stop posting your drivel in online forums. Just walk away. Life is too short to stress over a game.

  90. I am certainly not a Lions fan, but simply saying intent is irrelevant to a helmet to helmet matter is only half of the equation. IN this case, the ball was in the air and both players have the right to try and catch it. That is the only reason why “intent” may matter. The defender was clearly trying to catch the ball as was the WR. IN that regard, both players are guilty of helmet to helmet – or no one is. If he was trying to decapitate the WR to stop him from catching the ball, that is a different story altogether.

  91. after listening to the media who twists and turns things to their liking, I now realize the calls must have been correct….

  92. Goodell and the NFL need to get their heads out of their asses when it comes to the poor officiating this year. Officials need to be fined or suspended for poor and incorrect calls just like when players make the wrong hit or say the wrong thing. Remember NFL what happen to the NBA on their crooked referee and how it can affect the betting in gambling.

  93. Nice spin, Mike. Wrong, in your entirety, but, nice spin. I usually ignore these irritating videos that accompany such articles, but I listened to this one. Guy on the right is correct. It’s a simple credo to referee by: LET. THEM. PLAY. If it’s close, let it go. If it’s obvious, call it.
    Two identical calls between the same two players by the same umpire late in the game, both wrong? Darn right it looks like this game was fixed. That, is the perceptive reality. Umpire can’t stand in concrete, he’s got to move around with the players and get different angles. On film, this ump never moved. This isn’t about Detroit’s sputtering offense boiling down to field goals. This is about fairness and doing one’s job correctly. Last night was a league travesty, and the real problem is, it’s not the first time, by far.

  94. Refs should be practicing 8 hours a day, year round. Watching play after play and practicing making calls. Like a video game. Best grades get them on the field. On top of that, every play should be reviewable as Belichick said.

  95. Wasn’t just this game. Anybody watch the Browns game? I could literally walk onto the field tomorrow in a zebra uniform and make more educated calls.

    This is the most important part in all of this. These guys are PAID to be refs. If I don’t do my job well, regardless of how hard I tried, I wouldn’t have that job anymore. There needs to be accountability. I want that red that blew those calls to miss a game, and miss a check. Then, maybe, we’ll get some better officiating.

  96. Is Florio saying the officials need a Sarah Huckabee Sanders? I don’t think we need someone to get in front of a mic and lie to us about what we just saw

  97. tedmurph says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:49 am
    I wish everyone would just shut up and stop whining. It’s a fast game and the refs are human. Bad calls are part of the random factor, just like the weather and turnovers. If your team lost, it almost certainly wasn’t because of a bad call, or an OT coin flip. If it comes down to that, they probably just didn’t make enough plays. Enough! The games aren’t fixed and there’s no conspiracy theory by the NFL. I, for one, think every new rule change cheapens the game. Does it really matter if the league comes out and says they whiffed a couple calls? Help ya sleep better?

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    I knew as a fellow Pats fan, you simply don’t watch the rest of the NFL like I do.

    This is why your analysis is always skewed and why you have no barometer on how the rest of the NFL plays and the quality of it.

    If Trey Flowers got those calls as a Patriot, there’d be an uproar over it, and for very good reason.

    The fact this happens in other games besides when Goodell wants NE to lose late in a game to affect seeding for another AFC team to host the conf. title game, means it’s all over the league now.

    See last year’s NFC title game as more proof.

  98. I know, don’t give the officials union an new contract when it is up for negotiations. Oh wait, they just agreed to a new contract with the league. A new seven year contract.

  99. The good news is the Lions still covered the spread, so hopefully the umpire who was on the take will still get kneecapped. lol

  100. Expanding and high profile North American sports league seeks an articulate, apologetic, genuine and succinct spokesperson to represent the organization in increasingly difficult situations regarding its deteriorating on-field officiating. Interested candidates should send complete resumes and cover letters to our department of seewhathadhappenedwas.

  101. It is obvious from the video why the ref threw the flag.

    It is also obvious that he did not have a good view of the play.

    This is simple…if you did not clearly see the infraction, do not react to players.

    I think this mentality from the refs is due to them being told to throw flags based on collisions involving the head where to many players were being knocked out with no flag being thrown…now the refs are reacting rather than judging based on sight.

  102. I laugh at posters that try to condescend to me, call me a millenial and try to explain how much more they know. Especially the ones that are almost universally reviled as tin foil hat conspiracy theorists. Bad calls are part of the game. In EVERY sport. Always have, always will. No matter how much they try to tweak it. Period.

  103. NFL is going to lose more fans if something doesn’t change now
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    Doubtful since half of NFL fans are anti-conspiracy…they don’t want to believe the fix is in cause they don’t want it to be true. Last year’s NFCChamp game proved them all wrong.

  104. Saints fans have shown the rest of the NFL fandom how to get the owners attention, boycott a game. If fans pulled together in protest of officiating by not watching a game that is supposed to get great ratings, that might do it. Of course, that would mean people might have to work with fans of their rivals. On second thought, that’s unlikely.

  105. Everyone wants to blame the officials but that isn’t the root of the problem. The problem is the fans. They are asking for the impossible. Football has been and always will be a sport of chaotic violence that happens quickly. There are infractions on every play as you have 22 people out there trying to bury each other in the ground. Since the sport has gotten more popular on TV and bringing in casual fans with fantasy they want the game called cleanly like it is golf. They keep adding to the rule book making it impossible to call correctly. The rule book is so bloated that even the most elementary calls are becoming impossible.

    These causal fans that never strapped on a helmet need to understand that this isn’t a clean sport where everything is called perfectly. I would rather see the ref swallow his whistle and let a foul go then make a questionable call 100 times out of a 100, even if that means my Packers lose last night. One bad call and they have to change how the refs operate instead of just living with it. Now the rules change so often the refs can’t even operate. Imagine if your job changed this often form week to week with new demands coming in from people who never experienced your field. It is the fans that got us to this point, not the officials.

  106. I pretty sure all 3 plays were explained rather reasonably — the head to head hit was explained that yes, the DB can go for the ball, but he holds the liability, and besides it’s really hard to go for the ball when you lower your head and look at the ground when contact is made.

    The other 2 plays for illegal hands to the face, was explained as you can’t “prolong” the hold, so what if he grabs the shoulder pad collar, his balled fist was in the OT’s neck, his arm fully extended for leverage, classic penalty every time.

    …and Booger is the worst commentator ever…

  107. Forget someone to explain the bad calls after the game outcome is affected by the bad call. How about one person at each game who can communicate with the refs when they are blowing such obvious calls.

    Patricia complained to the ref near him about the first bad call on Trey Flowers. You’d think that ref would tell the first ref that he’d blown the call so that he wouldn’t blow it a second time.

  108. Whine, whine, whine, whine. People who don’t realize so many rules are subjective wanted everything replayed now that’s not good enough they still whine, whine, whine, whine. Get rid of replay and play the game. Let the gamblers gamble on something else.

  109. Get rid of that compeitition committee. They have to justify their pay so every year they keep changing dumb rules for no reason. Leave it as simple as it use to be. I bet all the coaches don’t even know all the rules. Officials also, it’s not their fault.

  110. The problem with the NFL’s explanation of the helmet to helmet contact is that the defender was playing receiver and the offensive player impacted the defensive player’s helmet. Both were going for the ball. Intent had nothing to do with this at all. Both were effectively playing offense and defense in order to prevent the other guy from catching the ball. Either both are called for the helmet to helmet contact or none should be since they were effectively playing EXACTLY the same position!

    Or course the Lions shot themselves in the foot by not scoring touchdowns – but the NFL has some real ‘splaining to do on the mythical calls of hands to the face which could not be supported by this reality or any other alternative universe’s reality playback.

    The ref in this game is the first winner of the the Jerome Booger’s fabrication excellence in officiating award and has the most entries into this award since Jerome himself contrived several penalties against Washington during the Carolina Paper Tiger game in the year that the miscreants made the Fumble Bowl. Washington was handling the Paper Tigers until Jerome fabricated two straight calls that even had the announcers baffled.

  111. its not just the calls, its Rodgers’ smirking smugness about the calls that gifted the Packers the game and its the Packer fans defending the calls as good calls. Or as fans of other NFC North teams refer to it, just another week in the NFC North.

  112. Great post badger. Almost every team victimized by a bad call or 2 had other chances to win the game. Raiders had their chances after the Tuck Rule, which was a bad rule, but was called correctly. Chiefs coulda stopped the Pats on one of the 3rd and 10s after losing the coin flip. They couldn’t. The Saints/Rams call was horrendous, but the Saints had their chances too. Now, the new rule change has created more controversy. Agree with protecting players health, but otherwise, let them play FB.

  113. I don’t think the referees want a team to win.
    But it is obvious the calls tend to favor some sides over others.
    That is probably because it is harder to throw a flag against the Patriots in New England, the Packers in Lambeau or the Steelers in Pittsburgh than to throw a flag against the Lions, the Bengals or the Browns anywhere they are playing.
    As it is harder to call a strike against the Yankees at home.
    The jersey has weight. And the sooner the NFL realizes that fact and tries to train the zebras to recognize that within themselves, the better.

  114. It is easy to diminish the folks griping about “fixed” games by calling them the tin foil hat crowd but there are things that require explanation beyond the typical BS the author chooses to believe. How can 2 identical plays receive opposite determinations after being reviewed by the same person? It can’t be rules based in that situation so it must have other factors influencing the decision such as teams/players involved, score, time remaining, impact on records/seeding, etc. That scenario has played out multiple times each year and used to get an explanation from Blandino. It was funny reading the opposite explanations side-by-side and that is likely whey they do NOT do that much anymore.

    The league tries to emphasize certain calls each year which by definition means that the league is directing officials to throw the flag or swallow the whistle more than normal. They add vague standards of enforcing black/white rules. If a DB holds a WR’s arm down to where they cannot raise it to try and catch the ball, that is a textbook example of DPI…unless it is under video review. In that case the determining factor seems to be whether or not a coach challenged. We do not need some flunky feeding us a line of BS as to why they made a decision. That does not SOLVE the problem. It simply provides an excuse to redirect attention. What we need is true integrity. The on-field officials have a tough job and mistakes are expected but there is no excuse for incorrect calls made after review. If THAT guy is consistently screwing up and keeps the job then what are we supposed to believe?

  115. Obviously, the Lions got screwed on many bogus calls and non-calls, but the saddest thing about this is the refs literally ended the game.
    Packers have the ball. They need to score. Lions need a stop. Lions have no time outs left. They used them to stop the clock so they can try to stop the Packers.
    It’s 3rd down. If the Packers get a first down they can run out the clock. Try a kick to either win or lose. Not allowing the Lions to have a chance to come back if the field goal is made.
    If the Lions get a stop they force a long field goal. If the Packers miss they loss. If they make it the Lions have enough time to try to either get into field goal range or get a touch down.
    This is typical football. We’ve seen this a million times.
    Maybe the refs made a mistake on the first Flowers hands to face call. I’m sure they knew they were wrong. I’m sure they saw the replay. I’m sure they talk. It happens.
    But when you call the exact same bogus penalty that allows the Packers to run out the clock, how can you not think it was rigged?
    Sure, the Lions got screwed by all the other bogus calls and non-calls, but this one guaranteed a Packers win. Again, how can you not think the game was rigged?

  116. Bakhtiari is going to be on the next State Farm commercial because he did a great job acting and selling the throat punch.

    Be careful what you ask for, they are going to make every play reviewable next season.

  117. The best thing to do is to send them the video and ask the question fumble or no fumble, catch or not catch…without telling them what the call on the field was.

  118. “Its mandatory that players and coaches make themselves available right after games. Why are the official allowed to scurry like rats into the night without being questioned?

    After all, theyre being paid just like coaches and players. Zero accountability.”
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    No one is “scurry[ing] like rats”. Anyone reading such drivel instantly knows that you have some weird agenda.

    The officials are neutral arbiters of the rules. It would be unseemly to have the entire crew questioned about every aspect of the game.

  119. Mighty funny how when the refs cheated the SAINTS out of a chance to go to the superbowl every other teams said “get over it”. Now that it seems to be happening to a bunch of other teams now they are all in an uproar!

  120. Quit whining
    All you people have nothing in your life more relevant?
    Do you think the players care at all?
    This is entertainment and you are just adding to talk the NFL loves.
    Get back to work if you have a job for crying out loud

  121. The NFL has been caught twice going out of its way to frame the Pats to steal draft picks and embarrass them, while trying to distract them during an SB.
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    This isn’t just tin foil, this is tightly wrapped tin foil. The New England Patriots cheated, they got caught, they were penalized.

  122. The league needs to accept that the officials constitute a third adverse team on the field. The standings need to reflect +/- on bad call yardage for/against — which becomes a tie-breaker at end of season.

  123. they don’t – they just need to get the calls right. Have someone in New York watching each game. They buzz referee. Forget challenge flags and all that. If you want it correct, dedicated person to review all. There’s no 3-5 minute stoppage. It’s stopped, corrected, move on.

  124. They need to give the guys calling the game 3 challenges, to challenge any call on the field. However if you have any ties to the team you cant call their game unless the other two agree

  125. The league would never do that, and have someone available to discuss calls from the weekend, like every Tuesday at 5pm EST (for example)

    It would be never ending with 28-32 teams playing every weekend. Who judges what calls are ‘controversial’ enough to be discussed? Is a reporter that covers the say, Dolphins, going to get shot down by this NFL rep because he already asked about 3 other calls, or the call he’s asking about didn’t get national buzz so the rep feels like he doesn’t have to discuss?

    It would be a zoo. Every game has calls, note calls not a call, that are wrong/borderline/indeterminable

  126. They like all the attention those bad calls receive. We’re all sitting here talking about the NFL, and ignoring the MLB playoffs. Maybe that’s the plan. The people running the league aren’t stupid, and they’re raking in record amounts of money. Some people might slow down on their wagering habits, but that doesn’t necessarily cost the NFL money.

  127. Knowing the NFL, they’ll appoint a spokesperson who will act haughty and dismissive towards the press during the briefings.

    I wonder if Sarah Huckabee Sanders is available.

  128. I think there are to many ” judgement ” calls in the NFL, instead of clear cut rules that anybody can call watching from home. every single game i see things get called that arnt called the game right before.

    plus i think there is way to much star power influencing the calls. its becoming more about who did what to who instead of thats just a flag because its the rule. and its not fair to the game.

    each week it gets closer to NBA status which will be the ruin of the NFL.

  129. “It is easy to diminish the folks griping about “fixed” games by calling them the tin foil hat crowd but there are things that require explanation beyond the typical BS the author chooses to believe.”
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    Yes, it is easy not only to diminish you but also to say that you are typical of the tinfoil hat crowd. All of the things that you claim “require explanation” are nothing more than wacko conspiracy theories harbored by nutcases.

  130. I understand bad calls are part of the game, that’s the human element that makes games exciting. But, these calls are ridiculous. I would much rather the officials swallow their whistles in the 4th than try and micro manage. I referenced the Sea-Cle game, but how about the Dallas game and their last drive? You should be talking about the plays at the end of a tight game, or the penalties. A game that is so popular for displays of talent and game planning is totally wrecked by a referee with an itchy trigger finger.

  131. “Obviously, the Lions got screwed on many bogus calls and non-calls, but the saddest thing about this is the refs literally ended the game.
    Packers have the ball. They need to score. Lions need a stop. Lions have no time outs left. They used them to stop the clock so they can try to stop the Packers.
    It’s 3rd down. If the Packers get a first down they can run out the clock. Try a kick to either win or lose. Not allowing the Lions to have a chance to come back if the field goal is made.
    If the Lions get a stop they force a long field goal. If the Packers miss they loss. If they make it the Lions have enough time to try to either get into field goal range or get a touch down.
    This is typical football. We’ve seen this a million times.
    Maybe the refs made a mistake on the first Flowers hands to face call. I’m sure they knew they were wrong. I’m sure they saw the replay. I’m sure they talk. It happens.
    But when you call the exact same bogus penalty that allows the Packers to run out the clock, how can you not think it was rigged?
    Sure, the Lions got screwed by all the other bogus calls and non-calls, but this one guaranteed a Packers win. Again, how can you not think the game was rigged?”
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    Thank you for your painfully long recitation of the game situation which everyone saw or has already read or heard about. Unfortunately, regurgitating the story did nothing to support your conclusion.

  132. The weird scenerio in kc/ texans game should be investigated no way thst should at least go from PI to defensive holding

  133. If i were the teams as a whole and NFLPA i would have a massive walk out until clear explenations and partial officiating are agreed upon, fans dont need to be put through this crap!

  134. Wafflestomp says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:51 am
    Hey, if you’re honestly looking for someone to do some serious Tuesday morning apologizing, the league should tap Kirk Cousins for the job.
    I hear he’s good at it.
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    You know? I think here we finally have a job Trump will be good for. The refs get ripped, Trump gives a toxic response that suggests its the questioners fault the call was wrong, everybody goes nuts. Trump doesn’t care. Life goes on.

  135. wreckdeutschland says:
    October 15, 2019 at 12:57 pm

    This isn’t just tin foil, this is tightly wrapped tin foil. The New England Patriots cheated, they got caught, they were penalized.
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    Yup. Thats is definitely some tightly wrapped tin foil.

  136. As the NFL standings are a joke, can someone just publish real standings? Like give Detroit 2 more wins – as a Vikings fan I can easy say they were robbed twice – take a win from both GB and KC – I’m sure the fans out there have other games the NFL has exercised their authority to pick a winner.

  137. As much as the Packers and Brett Favre had been @#@# by bad officiating in the past, I am not sorry one bit for last night. I will say the same thing that has been said to Packer fans in the past when they lost because of bad officiating. Suck it up buttercup.

  138. Referee bias was clearly in question. Watching those plays in real-time a reasonable person would question that. The NFL is missing the boat in not addressing this. Last years nfc championship is on everyone’s mind and then they let this fall through the cracks. Garbage. Home bias. Packer bias, Aaron Rodgers bias. Whatever you want to call it, it wasn’t fair.

  139. screamingyellowzonkers says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:04 am

    If you have to review, replay, slow mow, review and replay to prove a penalty, it likely wasn’t a penalty. If you have review it to prove, how in the hell can a 50 year old man see it at real time?

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    This is where I think all the shouting voices may be getting ahead of themselves.

    We tend to think that because we can slow a few specific camera angles down to bullet time and watch them on a screen, it objectively lets us interpret something better than can someone who is physically there where it is happening and watching it up close and in person.

    Don’t underestimate the difference in seeing something in person. Bullet time reduces all visual information to equal little pieces. Seeing something in real time can sometimes make the most relevant parts stand out. That is, the official sees a hand go somewhere, and only on super-slow replay do we see other things that happened as well.

    We put a lot of faith in technology showing us incredible detail in a very limited set of angles.

  140. Regarding the hired apologist: I’m thinking that with the new emphasis on all things being connected to gambling, an official apology would open the league up to lawsuits by disgruntled gambling money-losers, be they individuals or businesses.

    This devil’s bargain with gambling is going to ruin everything. It’s already started.

  141. evetsyarhcol says:
    October 15, 2019 at 2:41 pm
    Referee bias was clearly in question. Watching those plays in real-time a reasonable person would question that. The NFL is missing the boat in not addressing this. Last years nfc championship is on everyone’s mind and then they let this fall through the cracks. Garbage. Home bias. Packer bias, Aaron Rodgers bias. Whatever you want to call it, it wasn’t fair.

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    Kind of a short memory there, considering that just last year, the refs handed Minnesota a win based on a couple ridiculous calls against Clay Matthews for roughing the passer on what would be described by most as textbook form tackles. I guess that’s Packers bias also. Along with the play that actually got the current labor deal with the refs – fail mary anyone? Again, more clear bias for Green Bay, I know… As much as everyone wants to go off on this, realize Bakhtiari was talking to the refs as he was getting his head jammed up. Either he was making that up all along in hopes of getting a call for something that wasn’t happening, or it was happening, and it just happened to get called when it mattered. Also, Flowers was clearly holding him on both replays – advantage or not, he CLEARLY had his fist clenched on the neck of Bakhtiari’s shoulder pads and the penalty is the exact same as for hands to the face. It’s a fast game. The refs call what they see. Sometimes they get it wrong, but if you could do it better, you’d be out there pulling in that paycheck – trust me on that…

  142. evrybdyhas1 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 1:33 pm
    Maybe Vegas will get involved and handicap games based on the officiating crew.

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    For all we know, the odds-makers in Vegas have been doing that for years. Those guys know all the angles. But when push comes to shove, the only time they set the odds based on what they think the outcome of the game will be are when they set the initial lines. After that the lines change based on how much is wagered on each side. They want the amounts bet on each side to balance – they’re happy to settle for the vig from the losing bets.

  143. The New England Patriots cheated, they got caught, they were penalized.
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    What??? Did you miss the the NFL telling federal court judge Berman they had NO EVIDENCE???? There was no “cheating “, you are showing your lack of education.

  144. I love how were goin after the refs now. Just not two years ago when the same thing that happened to the saints happened to the jags. Is it because were small market??? We could taste that super bowl.

  145. FULL
    TIME
    REFS
    ARE NEEDED

    They need TC and offseason training just like players to ensure they get the calls right, or at least call plays and games as best as possible!
    how can Roger the buffoon not see this?!?!

  146. Who’s Roger betting on next week? That’s all I wanna know right now. Maybe hook a brother up with some under/over intel as well. k thx

  147. tedmurph says:
    October 15, 2019 at 11:49 am
    I wish everyone would just shut up and stop whining. It’s a fast game and the refs are human. Bad calls are part of the random factor, just like the weather and turnovers. If your team lost, it almost certainly wasn’t because of a bad call, or an OT coin flip. If it comes down to that, they probably just didn’t make enough plays. Enough! The games aren’t fixed and there’s no conspiracy theory by the NFL. I, for one, think every new rule change cheapens the game. Does it really matter if the league comes out and says they whiffed a couple calls? Help ya sleep better?

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Says a packer fan

  148. Florios says:
    “When, for example, officials throw a flag for an illegal hit to the head of a defenseless receiver and broadcasters mistakenly rail against the fact that the defender was simply trying to catch the ball, the officiating spokesperson needs to be able to say, calmly and persuasively, that intent doesn’t matter when a defenseless receiver is struck in the head or neck area. When, for example, the officials make a mistake, the officiating spokesperson needs to admit that a mistake was made, explain how and why it happened, and move on.”
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    So a defender making a play for the ball (He has an equal right to it) inadvertently hits an offensive player, or vice versa, that is doing the exact same thing the defender is, the latter is the guilty one? That’s just absurd!

  149. ago0919 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 10:59 am
    Me after Wrestlemania in the 3rd grade: Oh wow, Hulk Hogan body slammed Andre the Giant l

    My Mom: You know that wrestling is fake. It’s a scripted show

    Packers fan after last nights game: Oh wow, did you just see that miracle comeback by Aaron Rodgers and the Pack.

    The rest of us: You now that football in 2019 is fake. It’s a scripted show
    ———————————————

    If you truly believe it’s fixed/scripted then you have two choices:

    1. Do not watch!
    2. If you watch, stop the whining, because you know it’s fixed, so why are you whining?

    This isn’t rocket science here.

  150. The only response to complaints about calls the NFL ever needs: “It’s a tough job. Whatever your opinion of the call is, don’t take it personally. Remember, it’s JUST A GAME!”

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