Troy Vincent on second Trey Flowers penalty: Foul wasn’t there

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The Lions were incensed by a pair of penalties on defensive lineman Trey Flowers for illegal hands to the face late in Monday night’s loss to the Packers and a high-ranking NFL executive agrees that they were right to be furious about one of them.

NFL vice president of operations Troy Vincent is at this week’s owners meetings in Florida and he addressed the calls during a session with reporters on Tuesday. Vincent said the “foul wasn’t there” after reviewing tape of the second illegal hands to the face penalty and that it is not the kind of call you want to see officials make.

Vincent said that he would reach out to Lions owner Martha Ford and General Manager Bob Quinn to relay that message.

Vincent’s response won’t change the outcome of Monday night’s game. It is also unlikely to put a halt to conversations about ideas like adding a sky judge to officiating crews in order to correct such calls before they wind up having an outsize impact on results.

84 responses to “Troy Vincent on second Trey Flowers penalty: Foul wasn’t there

  1. You could add the space shuttle to aid the refs but the out come will still be the same……NFL……Not For Lions!

  2. Bad calls are costing teams games. It’s something they can fix. Not 100% but that shouldn’t stop them for trying. Correcting 50% would be better. I try to be impartial and even my Vikes got a few bad calls go their way last week vs Philly. It stinks. They weren’t as game changing as these, but you never know how it shakes out. Now this week we get the Lions. Im sure the make up calls are coming for the Lions as the NFL feels bad they blew a game. Now it’s just officials trying to “balance” out the calls week to week. I’ll be shocked if the Vikes have less penalties called than the Lions. I can just see some borderline holds and PI calls already going the Lions way. Thanks refs!! Lions got hosed last night. I’m not even a packer hater either. Last year the game we tied vs the Pack they got major league hosed on roughing the passer calls which kept the game going. I just want things on the level. Fix this as best you can NFL. Even if you can’t perfect it, take steps to fix it.

  3. The NFL has zero credibility where officiating is concerns. The majority of diehard and casual fans believe their product is tainted. How does any decent corporate officer find that acceptable?

    As a Lions fan, I expected us to get hosed. Lions fans are dead inside at this point.

  4. Im more concerned with the Lions touchdown that never crossed the goal line and was never reviewed than a single hands to the face oversight.

  5. The NFL says there are not enough experienced officials to man a “Sky Judge” position. 50% of the current officials have been hired in the last five years so there are at least 50 experienced officials who could fill the position. In addition the NFL indicated on October 4, 2019, that it was offering 22 officials – each with more than twenty years experience – early retirement! The NFL has the resources – it’s just too CHEAP! The NFL also does not have a mentoring program which could be combined with the Sky Judge program, but it does not value the officials very highly (just as Dean Blandino said). Al Riveron is a bad joke and Troy Vincent an apologist. The NFL needs to reach out to the officials it is trying to retire to see if they would take a Sky Judge position; the NFL needs to address the problem it created by under valuing officials or the game will suffer.

  6. As a Packers fan I understand the Lions’ gripe, it was a borderline call. But I also understand why the refs called it in real time- his hands were on the cusp between the OL’s shoulder pads and neck. Both hands to the face penalties were honestly 50-50 calls that could’ve gone either way.

  7. Left unsaid by Vincent (and unreported by PFT) is the fact that the first one was 100% legit. There are pics everywhere… except here, of course.

    The second one allowed the Pack to bleed time off the clock and nothing more. If they kicked that field goal with 1:40 or whatever left on the clock there’s no guarantee Detroit would have scored. Other than two really long pass plays early on, their offense didn’t do a whole lot… even after 3 turnovers.

  8. NFL got exposed last night. I think a solid percentage of fans now believe there are narratives the league is orchestrating.

    The Refs went too far last night and it’s getting pretty obvious.

  9. WITH GAMBLING
    -comes a responsibility to get it right
    this referee who made both those calls, one cannot help but think
    does he have money on the outcome of this game

  10. The first calls was legitimate. There was a foul and the call was correct. Whether a person likes it or not depends on how much they hate Rodgers and the Packers. The second should not have been called. A good acting job by Bakhtiari was what caused the flag. The second call on flowers didn’t make any difference to the outcome of the game. All it would have done is make the FG a few yards further. There seems to be a lot of overreaction to the calls. It happens every week in every game. Unless every play is scrutinized by video review, there is no way to be right 100% of the time. If it comes to the NFL having replay officials for every play and every game, people will lose interest. There is no bad press as far as the nfl is concerned. And they are right in thinking that.

  11. The Lions still did not take advantage of all the Packer turnovers and dropped balls. If they did that or generated more than 58 yards in second half offense they would have won the game. If they don’t let it go and start to focus on the Vikings they’re gonna get ripped Sunday…

  12. Want to watch horrible officiating? Watch what the Patriots DB’s do to WR’s… Holding and interference all the time, but what’s called on one team is never called on the Pats.

    What’s even better is when people say their DB’s are good. We’ll sure, they get to play a way no other DB’s get to play.

    Why?

  13. Hilarious that the stalker spends his whole life here on PFT(this is literally all he does in his life) trying to create negative narratives about the Packers and all his efforts accomplish nothing.

    Poor Barney

  14. As a Packers fan I understand the Lions’ gripe, it was a borderline call. But I also understand why the refs called it in real time- his hands were on the cusp between the OL’s shoulder pads and neck. Both hands to the face penalties were honestly 50-50 calls that could’ve gone either way.

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    Well you must have been watching a different game than everyone else, it most certainly was not borderline, and had the referees got together to review a replay it would have been overturned. Or overturned immediately with very little delay if the NFL had a sky judge. But we all know the NFL is barely squeaking by and can’t afford a sky judge, smh

  15. As a Lions fan, I expected us to get hosed. Lions fans are dead inside at this point.

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    Truer words have never been spoken LOL I fully do not expect fairness anymore

  16. HagemeisterPark says:
    October 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm

    Im more concerned with the Lions touchdown that never crossed the goal line and was never reviewed than a single hands to the face oversight.
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    All scoring plays are reviewed.

  17. ibillwt says:
    October 15, 2019 at 3:57 pm
    league goal is to have rogers / mahomes super bowl

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    If that’s true they have their work cut out for them. If they pull it off it’ll be a miracle!

  18. I’ve watched both plays multiple times. At no time does Flowers’ hand actually touch Bahktiari’s neck or face. What’s really interesting is that Bahktiari puts his hand on Flowers’ facemask both times, before Flowers hand even gets near Bahktiari’s upper chest! On the second one, Bahktiari has a hold of Flowers’ facemask for quite a while and then his hand moves down to the upper chest area, exactly where Flowers had his hand.

    Now you tell me why one guy gets called for exactly what the other guy was doing. If you want to call it on Flowers, you at least have to make it offsetting penalties.

  19. even if you have a sky box, what makes you think they are going to overturn anything. just look at PI this year. coaches are challenging legit PI and they still aren’t overturning them. just giving another excuse and safety net for these blind refs to blow call after call and never being wrong.

  20. Absolutely the refs bet on games you got 20 grand on the game and one bad call changes the whole outcome of the game ..as a diehard Raider fan the zebra men have been porking us for years and it happens always on 3rd downs .LOL
    Paranoid or not its obvious when your on the receiving end of a drunk ref call when the announcers chime in its usually true.

  21. Bad calls in every game. Packers got hosed when they played Philly on 2 PI calls that were missed. If the Lions scored TD’s instead of FG’s…. moot point.

  22. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:22 pm
    I’ve watched both plays multiple times. At no time does Flowers’ hand actually touch Bahktiari’s neck or face. What’s really interesting is that Bahktiari puts his hand on Flowers’ facemask both times, before Flowers hand even gets near Bahktiari’s upper chest! On the second one, Bahktiari has a hold of Flowers’ facemask for quite a while and then his hand moves down to the upper chest area, exactly where Flowers had his hand.

    Now you tell me why one guy gets called for exactly what the other guy was doing. If you want to call it on Flowers, you at least have to make it offsetting penalties.

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    There are stills everywhere that show the first one… and it was egregious. He was all up in Bakhtiari’s face mask. It was absolutely the right call.

    The second one looks like a bad call but the first one being so egregious likely played into it. You go ahead and purple it up however you need to, though… we’re used to that. And it’s delicious.

  23. Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:

    All scoring plays are reviewed.
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    Exactly my point – this one was not reviewed. Even though the jumbotron at Lambeau clearly showed the ball not crossing the plane. They missed the review on this play. A botched TB review is way more important than a hands to the face or missed holding call. Holding, hands to the face, etc happen every play. Missing one of those always happens. Always has, always will.

  24. I am a Packer fan and I don’t like calls like these either. I believe that if it looks like a foul, whether or not it is, it is likely to get called. Our tackles head went back, making it look like he had a hand in his face, so that is what gets called. I also believe that the refs have a mandate to give one team a lift over the other if possible. It only takes on flag, problem is, the play they pick is a bad one and exposes what they are doing. Late in game, oh no, the wrong team might win, so we have a pass play and we make the wrong call, only it is obviuos. LIke the NO game. Classic example.

  25. Been a Lions fan for 40 years. Lions had plenty of opportunity to win the MNF game. That’s not the point. The point is, the officiating was pathetic. The 2 non-hands to the face on Trey Flowers, the personal foul on TW for playing the BALL, and the obvious close line to Marvin Jones on the deep throw. I would expect disgruntlement on the 50/50 calls such as KJ goal line touchdown and the no-catch/fumble. But the obvious ones that can be clearly seen in real time and did have an effect on the outcome. C’Mon Man….

  26. HagemeisterPark says:
    October 15, 2019 at 3:32 pm
    Im more concerned with the Lions touchdown that never crossed the goal line and was never reviewed than a single hands to the face oversight

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@

    ALL scoring plays are reviewed Einstein

  27. This game no longer has any integrity. It’s entertainment. It’s not a legitimate athletic competition any longer. As long as there is gambling involved there will always be the question of legitimacy. Now NFL players can flop like soccer players and NBA players. The actual result of the game isn’t nearly as important when weighed against the integrity of the league, which at this point, appears to have none. Trace it back to the non PI call against the Saints, and see the progress made since in correcting officiating. It has gotten worse.

  28. Okay, okay, even if as some biased fans want to claim it was 50/50. The 2 steps after the catch before the fumble wasn’t 50/50. By the way, neither was the packer db putting his arm across the lion wr while the ball was in the air. Get real, the packers get a very unfair benefit of bad calls. The call against Matthews last year is because the packers & rodgers complained about tbr Barr hit.

  29. The officiating was worse in the Vikings Eagles game. Three times Wayne’s was there early, hitting hands away, etc, and it was never called. Then Douglas looked at the receiver and didn’t touch him, and it got called PI.

    That was a 21 point swing. The Eagles got screwed out of a win.

    The Lions? Maybe. But if the game was called perfectly, the Packers are up 8 after that last TD, and the Lions need a TD and 2 point conversion—with 80 seconds left—, when they hadn’t really scored a TD all night.

  30. not only was the foul against Trey Flowers was wrong but the offensive lineman had his hand in Trey’s face. Someone need to check Clete Blakeman bank account to see if he is being paid off. This is too coincidental that bad and obvious no calls are coming from this official

  31. deneb1973 says:
    October 15, 2019 at 3:48 pm

    The NFL says there are not enough experienced officials to man a “Sky Judge” position. 50% of the current officials have been hired in the last five years so there are at least 50 experienced officials who could fill the position. In addition the NFL indicated on October 4, 2019, that it was offering 22 officials – each with more than twenty years experience – early retirement! The NFL has the resources – it’s just too CHEAP! The NFL also does not have a mentoring program which could be combined with the Sky Judge program, but it does not value the officials very highly (just as Dean Blandino said). Al Riveron is a bad joke and Troy Vincent an apologist. The NFL needs to reach out to the officials it is trying to retire to see if they would take a Sky Judge position; the NFL needs to address the problem it created by under valuing officials or the game will suffer.

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    This is funny considering each network has an old official sitting there during it’s telecast waiting to chime in for what 1-2 calls a game. The NFL is cheap when it comes to their refs and we as fans and teams pay for it. I have been on the bitter end of many bad calls over the years for the Pack. Seattle, Arizona a couple times. We have gotten some too. They have a way of evening out but at the time each fan or player is left with big tears.

  32. It’s time for the NFL to come clean and just admit the NFL is just like WWE, they know exactly how these game will play out and who is going to win and lose. They are controled by Vegas. Green Bay RB slides down at the one yard line so the Pack don’t cover the 3.5. Disgusting watching the refs control these game like this. We would all accept that this is sports entertainment.

  33. “There was one that was clear, that we support,” NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent told reporters, referring to a prior penalty (The first illegal use of hands/hands to the face).

    Why is that being reported everywhere BUT here… ?

  34. Just heard a report saying that the Packers lead the league in yards gained from penalties by the opposition. It’s just the opposite for the Lions.

  35. What about the first one? The first call was more egregious than the second.
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    Absolutely incorrect, you just didn’t see it. Search my friend. There are plenty of screenshots out there showing the first call to be 100% correct. It’s not getting any traction anywhere but the pictures are all over FB. First call was absolutely legit.

  36. The most memorable thing in this game is depth at wide receiver for the Packers. It won the game.

  37. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:37 pm

    Rob Brzezinski is a Magician says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:22 pm
    I’ve watched both plays multiple times. At no time does Flowers’ hand actually touch Bahktiari’s neck or face. What’s really interesting is that Bahktiari puts his hand on Flowers’ facemask both times, before Flowers hand even gets near Bahktiari’s upper chest! On the second one, Bahktiari has a hold of Flowers’ facemask for quite a while and then his hand moves down to the upper chest area, exactly where Flowers had his hand.

    Now you tell me why one guy gets called for exactly what the other guy was doing. If you want to call it on Flowers, you at least have to make it offsetting penalties.

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    There are stills everywhere that show the first one… and it was egregious. He was all up in Bakhtiari’s face mask. It was absolutely the right call.
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    I’ve looked everywhere for these miraculous stills you keep referring to and I can’t find them. Odd. Even if there is some angle showing Flowers with his hands on Bahktiari’s facemask, why was Flowers called for it and Bahktiari wasn’t? At worst, it should have been offsetting penalties. And why wasn’t the flag thrown when the supposed infraction occurred? The ref waited to see what would happen and then threw the flag after the sack.

  38. tokyosandblaster says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:51 pm

    The officiating was worse in the Vikings Eagles game. Three times Wayne’s was there early, hitting hands away, etc, and it was never called. Then Douglas looked at the receiver and didn’t touch him, and it got called PI.

    That was a 21 point swing. The Eagles got screwed out of a win.

    The Lions? Maybe. But if the game was called perfectly, the Packers are up 8 after that last TD, and the Lions need a TD and 2 point conversion—with 80 seconds left—, when they hadn’t really scored a TD all night.
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    Do you realize how delusional you are? Not only are you saying the Packers didn’t benefit from poor officiating, but you’re complaining about the officiating in the Vikings-Eagles game, when no one else on earth had any problem with that game. Why aren’t the Eagles raising a stink about all those terrible PI calls and non-calls? The entire sports world is talking about your tainted victory and all you can say is, “nothing to see here, but look over there at how the Vikings should have lost that 38-20 game!”

  39. It’s all perspective. I’m trying to give you some, cheesyRob! The commentators said something about the PI inconsistencies during your game. Perhaps you just didn’t care to listen.

    The ONLY reasons people are focusing on last nights bad calls are:

    1. they happened at the end of the game
    2. It was Monday night and everyone watches the Packers (while nobody cares about the irrelevant Vikings).

    The Vikings game looked like a blowout but it shouldn’t have. The Packers game looked close, but again, if it had been called correctly, the Packers would have been up by 8 on that last TD, or at least up 4 if you want to count that as a field goal. The Lions didn’t score a genuine TD all night, and you’re so delusional to think that they’d do it with 80 seconds to go after accumulating 58 yards in the second half?

    Grow up.

  40. I wish I knew how to post pics here, but I don’t. Below, in bold text, is what Troy Vincent ACTUALLY said. But again, you just keep purpling it up however you need to. Why let silly little things like the actual facts get in your way now?

    “There was one that was clear, that we support,” NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent told reporters, referring to a prior penalty. “But there was another that when you look at it and you review the play, it’s not something that you want to see called in that particular pass rush. One you can support, but the other one, when you review it and you have seen some slow-mos, the foul wasn’t there.”

  41. OK… you people have nothing else to except allow these guys to whip you into a frenzy … So what the heck…

    Yeah Loins fans and your new best buddy Viking trolls … even though your guys would have won if the could cross a goal line, instead of losing a 4th qtr lead for the 4th time this year … Maybe your guys got screwed, maybe not, probably not…if they got screwed, too fricken bad. Tell em to play good enough to win.

    You can’t always bank on Aaron Rodgers being hurt to beat Green Bay – and when he does play, albeit hurt, Mason shanks 4 of 5 field goal attempts. Lions win under those circumstances.

    I’d say the football gods gave you enough gifts over the last two years. Now shut up anf take it like men…you’re sounding like Madden gamers

  42. Aaron Rodgers being smug and smirking about the bad calls. Packer fans insisting the overwhelmingly bad calls were correct. The entire sports world watching. Isn’t this great?!!!!!

  43. The NFL has a billion dollar cash reserve. They were going to loan Spanos $500m to build a new stadium in San Diego. The stadium deal didn’t go through because the people of San Diego weren’t willing to foot the remainder of the bill. Yet here we are watching part time old referees monitoring every play with no accountability. Take some of that reserve, and start paying REAL referees to work NFL games. Use the college ranks to promote the best of the best to be NFL referees. College is where the player (and most coaches) get their start. Make the NFL referee earn their stripes! And pay them to want to be good at their job because they want to keep their job for cryin’ out loud. This is just non stop nonsense. FIX IT!

  44. I’ve looked everywhere for these miraculous stills you keep referring to and I can’t find them.
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    Looking at a clear picture of Flower’s hand on Bahk’s helmet right now on my phone. Search FB, it’s in all the Packer groups. I’ve emailed it to Florio and would be glad to post it here if there was a way. The second call was horrible and I’m not making any excuses, but the first call was good, and apparently if that got out it would seriously derail the narrative that all media outlets have pushed today. Can’t think of any other reason for the screenshot that I’m looking at not being on any of the big sites.

  45. I hope someone from the League appologizes to Detroit. To have the same mistake performed twice by the same official, and both at very crucial time, is criminal.

  46. What is interesting to think about is this: if ESPN had covered that first illegal hands call properly, ie they show the replay where it’s visible and booger says good call instead of having an embolism before the replays are even over, what would the narrative be today? If the whole nation saw the first one and felt it was legit, would all this hoopla be going on today over ONE terrible call?

  47. It was obvious that the first flag was bogus too. need to ask him why the ref reach for the flag the second after Roger was sacked not during what he claim see a foul. Clete Blakeman is being paid off or these games or rigged

  48. Aaron Rodgers being smug and smirking about the bad calls. Packer fans insisting the overwhelmingly bad calls were correct. The entire sports world watching. Isn’t this great?!!!!!
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    Yes, it is great. Being 5-1 at the top of the division with a 3-0 record in the division is better than I could have ever imagined. The triggered Barney’s who’ve lost their mind over one bad call makes it all that much better. Keep up the good work….it’s so great knowing you’ve thought about the Packers all day and no one is even talking about the Viking game.

  49. ibillwt says:
    October 15, 2019 at 3:57 pm
    league goal is to have rogers / mahomes super bowl.————————————————————————————————————————————-That would make their TV agent very happy….LOL

  50. Vikings fans don’t care if their team wins or loses. They care more if the Packers win or lose.

    Can you even call these guys fans anymore?

    5-1. 21-6. However you look at things, the Packers are better than the Vikings.

    The end.

  51. All this garbage because the multi billionaire owners are afraid of lawsuits and don’t want any contact from the players. It’s so disgusting – the game often times is literally unwatchable. There is no consistent flow to the game because of the flag happy refs who are in compliance with the owners and Goodell in eliminating all physicality from the game.The players themselves are sick and tired (Disgusted) with being handcuffed by not being able to tackle or block because they know a flag is coming.The game itself – sad to say is going by way of the Dodo. This is the greatest game in the world, and billionaire owners are destroying this beautiful sport.I haven’t even begun to scratch the surface on the changes this game has made over the years – all to the detriment of the game. The game itself has been slowly but surely regressing into the lingerie league, which by now probably are allowed to tackle harder than the so called NFL. If it ever gets to flag football, I can just about guarantee the owners would find fault with the game being to physical and would consider two hand touch instead. What a disgrace – the owners, Roger Goodell and the refs have become.

  52. Why do people keep bringing up the first foul as if it somehow validates the second? Fact- Flowers got flagged for a phantom call on a 3rd down incompletion. Fact- this allowed GB to kick a FG with no time left. Fact- this robbed the lions of any chance to drive into FG range to attempt their own game winning kick. I don’t think anybody is arguing that the Lions has other opportunities to put the Packers away(albeit with some more help from the officials it seems), its the FACT they were robbed the opportunity to do so. If GB kicks the FG after the completion and the Lions fail to win it on their ensuing possession, this is a non-story. But, since an official pulled the trigger for whatever reason, the Lions were, in fact, robbed in that game. This instance is even worse than the Saints game because this penalty ended the game. There was no OT, there was no next possession. So, put your homer hats away and shut up. Not a lions fan. A fan of football.

  53. cheeseisfattening says:
    October 15, 2019 at 5:34 pm
    Aaron Rodgers being smug and smirking about the bad calls. Packer fans insisting the overwhelmingly bad calls were correct. The entire sports world watching. Isn’t this great?!!!!!
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    You have no idea! Since 1961……..you’ve had no idea.

  54. shlort says:
    October 15, 2019 at 4:01 pm

    The first calls was legitimate. There was a foul and the call was correct.

    Except, the Offensive Lineman had to the face first, which the ref conveniently missed.
    Watch the tape.

  55. Packers player was embellishing, throwing his head back like it was being pushed. He should be fined and should have drawn the flag for that instead of the one that went to Flowers

  56. tokyosandblaster says:
    October 15, 2019 at 6:10 pm
    Vikings fans don’t care if their team wins or loses. They care more if the Packers win or lose.

    Can you even call these guys fans anymore?

    5-1. 21-6. However you look at things, the Packers are better than the Vikings.

    The end.

    ——————–z

    Dude your sqaud couldnt even beat the Eagles with all your WRs healthy……. AT HOME! Guess who has more TD passes, better completion percentage and higher QBR, yep its that Cousins guy, who is average at best. But media (PFT) wants to put A A Ron in the MVP conversation? Stop rationalizing the bad calls and just say it……The officiating helped the Packers win the game!

    Could you imagine Packer fans if the shoe was on the other foot today? Remember, Packas are only a game up even though you beat the Vikes once. Rationalize it @ 2 games all you want, your squad looks like a mash unit right now, you will fall to Raider Nation on Sunday.

    The End

  57. Once a penalty is called, they review it like lawyers and say it’s possibly a penalty. Same with the Seahawk SteAler bowl in 05…all the penalties called on Seattle were justified in the days after by there not being obvious evidence that it didn’t happen. A joke way of splanin away massive mistakes.

  58. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    October 15, 2019 at 5:28 pm

    I wish I knew how to post pics here, but I don’t. Below, in bold text, is what Troy Vincent ACTUALLY said. But again, you just keep purpling it up however you need to. Why let silly little things like the actual facts get in your way now?

    “There was one that was clear, that we support,” NFL executive vice president of football operations Troy Vincent told reporters, referring to a prior penalty. “But there was another that when you look at it and you review the play, it’s not something that you want to see called in that particular pass rush. One you can support, but the other one, when you review it and you have seen some slow-mos, the foul wasn’t there.”
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    So now we’re supposed to believe what the NFL says when they’re in CYA mode? They always do whatever they can to prop up the officials after they screw up. Do you think they want people to think the games are fixed? I’ll ask again: If Flowers really had his hand in the facemask, why didn’t they make the same call on Bahktiari for having his hand in Flowers’ facemask? Quit cheesing it up and answer the question.

  59. So now we’re supposed to believe what the NFL says when they’re in CYA mode
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    No, you’re supposed to believe indisputable visual evidence that the first call was correct. Will you? Of course not, but it’s out there should you choose to look. I’ve tried posting it and a link to it but nada.

  60. If the Packers are the team that the NFL has always rigged games for like the little irrelevant purple stalker says, then why have the Lions beat the Packers 4 of the last 5 games the two have played eachother?

    They took 2 years off of rigging games for the Pack because of why? Make up a good lie for that one clown boy.👌

  61. What really bothers me is that apparently refs that make bad calls, obviously bad calls, are NEVER held to account. In that Saints/Rams game last year that ref that said the ball was tipped needs to be terminated. And the ref that made that call last night needs to be suspended. I’m still waiting for a ref to throw a flag for illegal grounding on a running play and then we can start this conversation all over again.

  62. freefromwhatyouare says:
    October 15, 2019 at 7:43 pm
    If the Packers are the team that the NFL has always rigged games for like the little irrelevant purple stalker says, then why have the Lions beat the Packers 4 of the last 5 games the two have played eachother?

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Maybe the packers are that bad, even with help they still can’t win.

  63. pkrlvr says:
    October 15, 2019 at 5:45 pm
    What is interesting to think about is this: if ESPN had covered that first illegal hands call properly, ie they show the replay where it’s visible and booger says good call instead of having an embolism before the replays are even over, what would the narrative be today? If the whole nation saw the first one and felt it was legit, would all this hoopla be going on today over ONE terrible call

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@

    This must be one magic replay only available to the green and yellows

  64. flviking says:
    October 15, 2019 at 7:58 pm
    Maybe the packers are that bad, even with help they still can’t win.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    First place in NFCN. 5-1. 3-0 in the division.

    Check the scoreboard.

  65. skcrooged says:
    October 15, 2019 at 5:12 pm

    I want to be a Sky Judge. I know how to watch a TV, and I’ll always side in favor of Aaron. Sign me up!//////

    That job is already taken didn’t you see the game?

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