David Bakhtiari was lobbying ref before decisive calls

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One can only imagine what was going through umpire Jeff Rice’s head when he made a pair of phantom calls which decided Monday’s game.

But it’s possible that Packers left tackle David Bakhtiari‘s words were still ringing in his ears.

Via Ryan Wood of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, Bakhtiari admitted lobbying Rice prior to the calls, frustrated with Lions defensive end Trey Flowers pushing him in the greater head-and-neck region.

“I went over to the ref,” Bakhtiari said. “I said, ‘Hey, are we not calling hands to the face again? Because the past three plays, I’ve been staring at the sky.’ And he’s like, you know, he’s not looking at my side, but I at least made him aware.”

He clearly was, as Flowers was called for a pair of illegal-hands-to-the-face penalties that helped the Packers come back for the win. There might have been contact at some point in the night, if not on those particular plays.

“I can definitely tell you,” Bakhtiari said, “for a good portion of the game, I was getting my throat punched in, and I was looking up at the sky a fair amount. If you think about it, if your hand is in my throat, you’re probably hitting my facemask, which is pushing my head up in the sky.”

As expected, Flowers had a different read on the situation, though maybe he should have spent more time pleading with officials in advance.

86 responses to “David Bakhtiari was lobbying ref before decisive calls

  1. The Packers have been awarded 501 yards from opposing penalties in the first six weeks of the 2019 season. That’s the most in the league by 45 yards.

    At the other end of the hose, err, spectrum sits the Detroit Lions. The Lions are 32nd of 32 in penalty beneficiary yards at just 234

  2. Can’t blame him. When I played OL in high school I would tell the ref number whatever is doing this. Sure enough the next play number whatever got flagged for it. I figured that is what happened here. Problem is there’s millions of people watching this ref.

  3. Yes, and getting your “throat punched in” is part of the neck area which is a penalty. The officials didn’t call it a lot during the game, eventhough it was happening. If they called it once when maybe it wasn’t the most egregious penalty of the night then so be it.

    The stalker stated that the Packers are so bad that help from the officials couldn’t help them win anyhow. Yeah the Pack sucks. Don’t strain your neck looking up at them in first place.

    Focus is on Oakland. Get over us please.👌

    #GoPackGo!🏈

  4. Replays show otherwise tho… You got manhandled, cried, and the refs came to your rescue. More proof that these refs aren’t doing their jobs well.

  5. Here’s a thought. If you get called for an illegal act during the game … don’t do it again.
    Surprise, it was called again. It’s not rocket science.

  6. He’s lying if he says the umpire told him he wasn’t looking at his side. Either that or the umpire didn’t know his keys. Yes, players and coaches lobby for calls all of the time, however the umpire was wrong, twice! Baktiari was being manhandled by Flowers and cried to the umpire.

  7. Fortunately Baktiari didn’t feel the need to cry to the official during the butt whipping administered to them by Philly.

  8. Not smart for Bakhtiari to make a public announcement like this that is embarrassing to the refs. He won’t get another call all season. I’d go ahead and grab this guy all year because the refs aren’t going to protect him anymore.

  9. Sweet.
    More proof that when the Packers speak, the refs listen.

    We have pictures of Bakhtiari holding a facemask. No call.

    Go Raiders Go !!
    But unfortunately, teams play the packers and the refs.
    And it’s at Lambert, so if the pack is losing in the 4th qtr, get ready for another set up.

  10. margoadams says:
    October 16, 2019 at 6:57 am
    Take the Lions this week. NFL needs to make up for last weeks debacle by their refs
    ——
    Absolutely. If there was a wager on which team will be penalized the most this week, I would take Minnesota.

  11. In regard to a part of leroyquimby’s post that stated:

    “Problem is there’s millions of people watching this ref.”

    A million minus one…Alberto Riveron.

    There is a reason why Riveron was never assigned to work a Super Bowl.
    He was made an alternate for one Super Bowl only because he was headed to the league office and they just wanted to shut him up.

    The league, in its infinite wisdom, felt it was best to take him off the field since he was a bad official….now he is simply ruining that game from within.

    Think Roger Goodell! Think!

  12. Great fake head moves by Fabio Bakhtiari, i feel he should win an oscar for that brilliant performance that the refs were dumb enough to fall for it.

  13. Dumbest thing about this is that Flowers DID IT AGAIN.

    After the ref called it the first time, the point is to not be in position to be called for it again. Flowers should have known better to keep his hands lower by the chest.

  14. I mean they have the so called best qb in the league, so why the hell do they need help from the refs as well?

    ironically, BB was right ( even though this applies to his team too ) but make all plays reviewable, under the same rules as current challenges ie: you only get so many and if your challenge is lost then that 1 less challenge for you

  15. The Lions feel bad about those calls? They don’t feel bad about kissing away at least five opportunities to win the game decisively? Oh, I sure feel sorry for them, sure do. Poor fellas.

  16. GP Lee says: “Naa you was just getting owned and needed the refs assistance.”
    ———————–

    You have a funny definition of “getting owned”. Flowers has only 3 tackles (giving up 13 yards), no sacks, no QBHits, no QBHurries, no TFL (tackle for loss), no FF or FR, etc. Seriously, pretty much ZEROES across the board…

  17. Nobody has answered my simple questions.

    Can a defensive lineman clutch-grab the shoulder pad neckline of the offensive lineman, never let go, and steer the players head and shoulders in whatever direction he wants? I ask because that’s what he did all-day.

    Anyone?

  18. Its easy to say that the Lions had 5 FG’s and should have had at least a couple of TD’s instead, but the thing is they did enough to win that match without them.

    Between the two bogus hands to the face calls, the non opi call and the missed 13 ( not 12 that the lions were caught for ) men on the field, all told that cost the Lions 10 points.

    If it were a packers blowout then it maybe not as important, although still a disgrace, but this cost them the game, of that there can be no doubt.

  19. Had it been a Sunday game it would have happened and nobody would care. The Pack has been getting help from the officials for years against the Lions. The hail mary that the NFL likes to show happened after another phantom call.

  20. screamingyellowzonkers says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:02 am
    Absolutely. If there was a wager on which team will be penalized the most this week, I would take Minnesota.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    I hope you’re right. I love poetic justice.

  21. There should at least get ONE attribution for my post yesterday: Bakhtiari most overrated LT, Academy Award performance, holding Flowers constantly.

  22. Just because he says it, doesn’t mean it’s true. You’d also be looking at the sky all day when a dude truck rolls over you all game long and you have to grab his face mask to hang on.

  23. Well you got the officials attention now. What’s the over/under on number of holding calls against him the rest of the season? Because nobody likes being told they aren’t doing their job well, and they will be watching him.

  24. “Fortunately Baktiari didn’t feel the need to cry to the official during the butt whipping administered to them by Philly”

    He wasnt crying at all, he was simply using his brain in trying to gain an advantage in a game where any advantage will aide you when going up against a powerful opponent and it worked to a tee.players complain to the refs all the time in the nfl.sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt but its never crying when they do it,its seeking the advantage.

  25. The NFL has been protecting Green Bay for years . We have all seen Rodgers whining to the refs every game and then get rewarded with bogus calls . Now add a broken down OL who asked and received assistance from the official because he couldn’t handle Flowers any other way .

  26. “There should at least get ONE attribution for my post yesterday: Bakhtiari most overrated LT, Academy Award performance, holding Flowers constantly.”

    overrated?? he got the job done,again.jow many sacks did Flowers have again?oh thats right 0.

  27. @stellarperformance.

    Grabbing literally inside the pads is technically a defensive hold that is never enforced.

    where as the throat punches are considered part of the illegal hands to the face in CFB and HS football and many over the years thought they should be treated as targeting if done on more than one occasion as Flowers was doing all night.
    Finally Flower first punch on one of those illegal hands to the face was the chin strap which is illegal hands to the face by definition.

  28. Nope… sorry dude.. if his hands are quicker than yours, which was obvious, he got into your breast plate and walked you right back while his arm extension afforded his hand to slide up th jersey to your throat. No replays showed him on your facemask… get used to it and improve your anchor…and stop cryin to refs your better than that…

  29. I rewatched the game and what Bakhtiari is saying is true. I actually took a screenshot of the first hands to the face because it was hands to the face. Trey Flowers grabs Bakhtiari inside collar and by the end of the play his hand is inside his facemask about 2 inches above his chin. He is still hanging on to his collar but it’s just shoved up in his face. The second hands to the face wasn’t the right call but Trey Flowers was consistently grabbing the collar and shoving it up into
    Bakhtiari face. Watch the game again.

  30. Look the problem isn’t DB lobbying for a call, I bet lots of players do that. Heck It goes on in high school. The problem is still the refs giving the game away calling phantom fouls. These guys are experienced and I am sure they know to expect an acting job after a conversation like this. No, the problem is the refs and the question is what motivated them to give the game away. That last part could be a very big deal.

  31. He complained to a ref? Players never do that! How did they ever uncover this smoking gun?

  32. stellarperformance says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:22 am
    Nobody has answered my simple questions.

    Can a defensive lineman clutch-grab the shoulder pad neckline of the offensive lineman, never let go, and steer the players head and shoulders in whatever direction he wants? I ask because that’s what he did all-day.

    Anyone?
    ——-
    Have you ever heard a ref throw a flag and say,
    “Defensive clutch and grab along the neck line”

    Yeah. I didn’t think so.

  33. If you think the NFL is rigging games you are flat out delusional and need to grow up. The NFL and the refs are not TRYING to help a single team win. They just make bad calls. The only time I see genuine bias is calling roughing the passer on star quarterbacks. There’s something going on there but if you think the NFL is telling the refs to help certain teams win you’re just out of your mind.

  34. I will say this. When Jim Nance made a terrible call that cost a pitcher a perfect game, the next day the pitcher called him out on the field and the umpire was crying, overcome with emotion over how sorry he was for missing the call.

    What does the NFL do? They release a statement where they simply state what penalty was called and what the rule is in the rulebook. Despite the rule not matching up with the play where the penalty was called, they leave the statement at that and refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing whatsoever. That’s bogus.

    Still, the lions settled for FIVE field goals. They score ONE of those and they win the game. If they made ONE more play the blown calls wouldn’t have had any effect. The fans are going nuts but I guarantee that the coach and the players are really struggling with the fact that they had five opportunities to win the game and they failed. The Packers defense deserves a lot of credit for the win by holding the lions to field goals all game.

  35. Naa you was just getting owned and needed the refs assistance.
    ____________________________
    Really?…because Detroit shouldn’t have even been winning. They didn’t even score on their phantom “TD”. The official with the best view of the ball marked Johnson short on 4th and Goal before the other line judge came running in declaring TD. Calls go both ways!

    Go Pack! On to Oakland.

  36. Getting owned?? Flowers still never got close to the QB despite the throat punching. Bakhtiari is a smart player for bringing it to the ref’s attention and an elite pass protector

  37. And Bakhtiara had Flowers by the face mask and held him all game
    ——
    And they threw multiple flags on him…

  38. So today’s trend is “Bahk’s the most over-rated tackle in the league”. Forget that he’s an all-pro that didn’t give up a sack, the dirty coward asked a ref to stop the guy from punching him in the throat. For shame.

  39. Packers fans now own the title of most delusional fanbase in the NFL which will go nicely with their title of the most underacheiving team in the NFL .

  40. What’s funny is that certain people (purples mainly) read this headline and think that this is somehow unusual….that players don’t talk to the refs all the time and ask them to look out for things. That’s commonplace in the NFL, but because a Packer did it, and because they’re a low IQ fanbase, this is somehow a huge deal.

  41. From the NFL rulebook:

    It is a foul if a defensive player thrusts his hands or arms forward above the frame of an opponent to forcibly contact him on the neck, face, or head.

    Note: Contact in close-line play is not a foul, unless it is direct and forcible, or prolonged.
    ——–
    I have watched the video of both calls.
    What I see mostly is Bakhtiara looking up at the sky with Flowers hand on his shoulder pad. Do all you packer fans want to run a physics test on whether the force is direct and prolonged?

    Based on this definition from the NFL, the ref called the flags because Bakhtiara cried about it. It was not even close to being clear and obvious on replay, let alone at full speed.

    Normally, illegal hands to the face by a defense is called when grabbing the facemask or pushing up on the chin strap.

  42. screamingyellowzonkers says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:00 am
    Sweet.
    More proof that when the Packers speak, the refs listen.
    ______________

    So let’s say you work some place… and someone points out hey you missed this the last time…. whether it’s something off with paper work or a piece of equipment didnt get shut down properly do you pay closer attention to it ext time ? Or just say forget it….

  43. Dude, get real. Rodgers is always complaining when he fails to convert or throws an INT on 3rd down in close games. He also always gets the call. Lions, Bears and Vikings fans all agree on this among many other teams. Maybe climb out from your recycling/g@rbage can color team jersey and just admit it for once. The Packers are one of the top three most favored teams in the NFL by the “UN” Officials!

    The strange thing is about all this, is if Rodgers is so good why do the majority of the Packers wins involve controversial calls? Packer fans live a fantasy world.

  44. Pathetic and the stats show Packers benefit more than any team with cheap penalty yards. The game was over without the first phantom call. 4th and 15 with the Lions up two scores and less than 9 minutes left. Game over. What a sham. Whole league is rigged. They need their overrated golden boys to be in the playoffs for the 100 year anniversary. 🙄

  45. Pathetic and the stats show Packers benefit more than any team with cheap penalty yards. The game was over without the first phantom call. 4th and 15 with the Lions up two scores and less than 9 minutes left. Game over. What a sham. Whole league is rigged. They need their overrated golden boys to be in the playoffs for the 100 year anniversary. 🙄

  46. Really?…because Detroit shouldn’t have even been winning. They didn’t even score on their phantom “TD”. The official with the best view of the ball marked Johnson short on 4th and Goal
    —–
    Shhhh….don’t ruin the narrative. The Lions are victims that had a sure victory stolen from them by the most evilist franchise in the league lol

    The refs do suck though. Haven’t watched a game this year where there weren’t multiple bad calls. Not good.

  47. The strange thing is about all this, is if Rodgers is so good why do the majority of the close game Packers wins involve controversial calls? Packer fans live a fantasy world.

  48. Football used to be a man’s game. Trhe good old days of Bart Starr, Jim Brown, etc. Gameday used to be, ‘May the best team win.’ Now it’s whichever players or team the league favors, wins. It’s getting to be a sport of divas, cry babies, and whiners. The NFL and refs are to blame for coddling the players it favors. So I for one, am done watching football until the NFL does something to change that.

  49. I’ve tried to hold off before posting until much of the purple hysteria died down, but in usual fashion I can see there’s no chance of that.

    Let me preface this by saying the Lions got hosed Monday night, they should have been allowed a minute or so to win this game as the 2nd, Hands to the Face, call clearly wasn’t.
    As for the rest of this nonsense about scripted games, franchise favoritism, or fixed games, I believe some of you’ve been rolling the tinfoil a little too tight.

    All right, officiating, it’s been bad, but then again, no worse then several years ago, or the decades before that.
    Football is a sport of chaotic violence, played by giants, 22, at any given time, who can move at speeds you and I can barely fathom.
    And it’s officiated by humans doing the best jobs they can.
    This game is watched by fans and the media on their 60″ HDTV screens with Zapruder-like slow motion replays and judgmental attitudes.
    In most situations when factoring in the human element there will always be errors. Deal with it.
    There is no way in real time where you can be sure where Flowers hands are as a referee watches Bakhtiari’s head snap backwards.
    On the first one the hand does get in the neck/face area, the second one isn’t even close and was just simply a blown call, my apologies to Lion fans everywhere. (There, that’s my Kirk Cousins impersonation for the day.)

    The PI and 13 men non-calls are inconsequential to me.
    I see those PI non-calls in every single game I watch, and the 13 men on the field non-call has been explained over and over again.
    We should all understand why it wasn’t a penalty. Moving on.

    Finishing up with overall officiating, it is what it is.
    In fact, it is as it’s always been, our game day technology has grown beyond what the game has always been.
    If someone has a better solution that’s just short of replaying every play in the game, please, let us all know.

    As for the conspiracy theorists, give it a rest.
    Seriously, you’re embarrassing yourselves.
    Bad calls happen, and Green Bay has had their share of getting hosed over the years so I’m not going to lose any sleep over a single game we get back. (Cue the Barney outrage.)

    Just two weeks ago, the media was up in arms over the way the officials handled a PI non-call involving the Eagle and Packers, a call Matt LaFleur couldn’t get overturned despite the use of the new replay rule.
    There was also another obvious one on GB’s last offensive play that resulted in a tipped ball int.

    My reaction? Though I acknowledged what happened, I blamed the loss on GB’s inability to punch the ball in from the one on 4 tries.
    In reality, you have to play better in the 100+ plays each team gets every game to make sure one of those plays or a couple of bad calls don’t effect the outcome.

    The one thing I have truly enjoyed over the last couple of days is the downright purple hysteria.
    Their stupid and naive narrative that the NFL wants to elevate one of the nation’s smallest tv markets with a corrupt officiating system that involves over 120 referees and umpires that make up as many as 16 different teams is laughable at best.
    Especially since they are part time employees, that suffer turnover every year, and not one of them has ever came forward with such an explosive story.
    As I said, laughable.

    Moving on, with our focus on the Raiders, with a 5-1 record (3-0 NFC North) I tink it’s safe to say that GB has navigated the early part of the schedule quite well, especially while breaking in a rookie coach.
    Difficult waters on the horizon, but I like where we sit currently.

  50. Q: How can a person grab the collar of an opposing players shoulder pads and push without causing contact to the neck?

    A: He cannot. The simple act of grabbing the opposing player at that spot and pushing makes it a contact to the head/neck foul.

    It should have been called many more times than just twice. And that Flowers kept doing it after the first call just reinforces the fact that he isn’t Norman Einstein.

  51. packsupersoldier says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:09 am

    Gamesmanship.
    ___________

    Another word for cheating.

  52. stellarperformance says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:22 am

    Nobody has answered my simple questions.

    Can a defensive lineman clutch-grab the shoulder pad neckline of the offensive lineman, never let go, and steer the players head and shoulders in whatever direction he wants? I ask because that’s what he did all-day.

    Anyone?
    ___________

    I answered your question the first time you asked it but I guess you didn’t like the answer. The answer is that has been legal for the first 100 years of NFL football, until the fourth quarter Monday night.

  53. I just think it’s funny that Bahktiari was complaining was complaining about hands to the face but on both plays where Flowers was called for it, Bahktiari was the one with a handful of facemask. You’d think what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, but I guess not. So you people who are saying the call was legitimate, you need to explain why it wasn’t offsetting penalties.

  54. Liberalsruineverything says:
    October 16, 2019 at 9:28 am
    Even Clay Matthews said those calls were BS. Congratulations on the referees victory. Must have been a good payout in Vegas for them.
    ……………………………………………………………………………..
    Funny isn`t it? Now that Clay Matthews plays for someone other than the Packers you are giving credence to what he has to say.

  55. For those of you who whine about the Packers getting awarded so many yards for opponents’ penalties and the Lions getting so few: You’re saying teams like the Lions need to take a hint from teams like the Packers and play more disciplined football?

  56. Bahktiari was begging because he was getting manhandled by Flowers. Bahktiari holds most every play which is bad enough that he gets away with it. And now he begs for s calls and gets it,disgusting.Where was the call on him for hands to the face? WWE wants packers-Patriots in the SB and are making it happen the packers are a 500 team without the help from the refs.

  57. If the packer fans were honest, they would be calling for an illegal hand to the face ANYTIME the index finger or the pinky touches the offensive players neck. I mean, that is blatant hands to face according to them. That continuous and prolonged force from a finger is clearly illegal to packer fans. Oops. I mean in this instance only.

  58. bunners1 says:
    October 16, 2019 at 7:51 am

    Here’s a thought. If you get called for an illegal act during the game … don’t do it again.
    Surprise, it was called again. It’s not rocket science./////

    offensive holding calls too. Absurd they get away with holding every play so they protect AR12.

  59. usdcoyotesfan says:
    October 16, 2019 at 11:26 am

    For those of you who whine about the Packers getting awarded so many yards for opponents’ penalties and the Lions getting so few: You’re saying teams like the Lions need to take a hint from teams like the Packers and play more disciplined football?
    __________

    How does the way one team plays cause the other team to commit penalties?

  60. darrenkod says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:08 am
    Dumbest thing about this is that Flowers DID IT AGAIN.

    After the ref called it the first time, the point is to not be in position to be called for it again. Flowers should have known better to keep his hands lower by the chest.

    2 6 Rate This

    —————-

    no, he did not

    the shoulder pad is not the face and bahktari facemasked flowers off the snap!

    penalizing one player on the very borderline call is cheating!! absolutely rirdiculous

  61. shaggytoodle says:
    October 16, 2019 at 10:00 am
    screamingyellowzonkers says:
    October 16, 2019 at 8:00 am
    Sweet.
    More proof that when the Packers speak, the refs listen.
    ______________

    So let’s say you work some place… and someone points out hey you missed this the last time…. whether it’s something off with paper work or a piece of equipment didnt get shut down properly do you pay closer attention to it ext time ? Or just say forget it….
    ——
    So let’s say that this new illegal hand to the face interpretation is applied to the Packer’s.
    Do packer fans agree that this should now be called on the packers?
    Should we now start looking at replays of all packer lineman to see if this clear and obvious foul should have been called against the packers?

  62. cheeseisfattening says:
    October 16, 2019 at 12:36 pm
    Packer fans the only ones and still insisting those calls were not bad. Way to act a fool in front of the rest of the NFL.
    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

    That’s not at all what Packer fans are saying. They’re saying; “It’s about time the Packers benefited from a questionable call. Every other team does.”

  63. If rice wasn’t watching that side of the line, what was he watching? That is his job as the umpire. He admitted he wasn’t doing his job. Why does he still have a job. I guess we all know now why Bak doesn’t get called for holding. The defense keeps forgetting to yell the umpires what their job is. That is just plain wrong. I can’t wait until every DE complains early and often about Bak holding.

  64. Can someone please post the video of the ball crossing the goal line, obviously and indisputably, giving the Lions a TD after being stopped on 4th and goal?

    I’d like to see that. In fact, send it to the referees. Obviously, they haven’t seen it either.

  65. Those two calls were wrong, as admitted by the NFL and many former NFL officials, but the Pack still played well enough to be justified as the winner of that game.

    THe stupid thing, however, was Bakhiatari publicly admitting to whining to the ref — they don’t like being embarrassed in the first place, not to mention they were already going to be hesitant to make future calls given the negative publicity.

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