Belichick exploited “loophole” in NFL rules to run extra time off the clock

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With the Patriots leading 33-0 in the fourth quarter on Monday night, they took a delay of game penalty with their punt team on the field. After the Jets declined the penalty, the clock started again, and the Patriots’ punt team waited until they were about to get another delay of game, then false started. The Jets declined the false start penalty, too, the clock started again, and then the Patriots finally punted.

When the Patriots’ third-down play ended, 11:05 remained in the fourth quarter. By the time the Patriots actually punted on fourth down, 9:43 remained. The whole point of the play clock is that teams can’t take more than 40 seconds between plays, but the Patriots, thanks to that running clock after their penalties, took 1 minute, 22 seconds.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick was shown on television smirking on the sideline after that series of penalties, and he acknowledged after the game that the penalties allowed him to take plenty of extra time off the clock. He added that league rules probably shouldn’t allow that.

“No, it was just the way the rules are set up. We were able to run quite a bit of time off the clock without really having to do anything. That’s probably a loophole that will be closed and probably should be closed but right now it’s open,” Belichick said.

The Patriots were so far ahead in the fourth quarter that it really didn’t matter, but Belichick is right that this loophole should be closed. Teams shouldn’t be able to take more than 40 seconds off the clock between plays. Perhaps this is a rule Belichick wants to see changed, and he was waiting until just the right time to demonstrate that it needs to change.

192 responses to “Belichick exploited “loophole” in NFL rules to run extra time off the clock

  1. The man has mercy within him despite rumors to the contrary. No reason to prolong that game, only bad could come from it with players getting hurt.

  2. Trying it out to use in a game when he might actually need to run time off the clock to secure a victory? I have often wondered why teams didn’t take repeated delay of game penalties when the clock is runnin, especially when the opposing team refuses the penalty.

    I loathe the Pats while still admiring their success. BB does not miss much.

  3. If he was really that smart, he would have saved it for a big game when he needed it, instead of just telling all his future opponents what he just did.

  4. Then they should also close the loophole that allows an intentional delay of game on fourth down to give the punter room. Intentional penalties should never benefit flagged team. BB is not the only clever dick in the room.

  5. Belichick doing Belichick things.

    It’s this level of attention to detail and awareness of the rules of the game and how the game flows, when the clock stops, when it restarts etc., etc., etc.

    The man is next level.

  6. Yup. Best coach ever, though they will just end up giving the coach of the year award to Arians or Rivera.

  7. The brilliance of this is not that he found it; he wants to call attention to it so that the league addresses it before others can use it Say the Saints are leading the Pats by 2 in the Super Bowl with 90 seconds left and have to punt. Payton is sharp enough to have figured this out too. BB wants to prevent this from being used against his team in a really critical situation. Hats off to the man, he is one of the top three coaches of all time.

  8. Smart yes…

    Genius no.

    A genius would have saved this for a game that was in doubt…

    This is like going “all in” in poker…. and there is $1.75 in the pot.

  9. Smart yes but why use that in a game you’ve already won and not save it for a game that’s close? They will now certainly look at this and change the rule in the offseason.

  10. Does every other Coach not have access to the Rule Book or did they just not bother to fully understand it like Coach BB? Even against the terrible Jets he does all he can WITHIN the Rules to win.

  11. You make it sound like BB was gaining advantage – but the only team to benefit from taking time off that clock in Q4 were the Jets. Gase should write him a thanks for that small mercy.

  12. Can’t be something he wants to stay that way, he used it in a totally over game with nothing much to preserver except maybe the shutout. The fact that he commented it needs to be fixed makes me doubly sure he wants it fixed.

  13. BB punted from inside FG range twice and ran the clock as much as he could with these plays, so let’s complain about it. That way he can go back to running up the score.

  14. What is within the rules is within the rules. It’s likely Belichick just used last night to demonstrate to the league it has a potential problem by doing this in a game where it ultimately wouldn’t matter.

  15. Watching the game, it sure looked like they wanted a 5 yard penalty to give the punter more room to pin it. I think Bill was an accidental genius on this one. I don’t think I have ever seen a team false start on purpose before.

  16. How many teams are at a point where the next thing they need to work on is their technique for running time off the clock when they have a big lead.

  17. I thought it was hilarious.

    Then again, Gase shoudn’t have declined the delay of game. I don’t think I have ever seen the opponent decline a delay of game, full well knowing the punter is trying to get more room.

    Classic Jets.

  18. Laughing but crying imagining BB going again my dim wit Kitchens this weekend. Coach+QB+Defense. We might lose by 40.

  19. I’m guessing Bielema had something to do with this…he did something similar as the Wisconsin head coach against Penn State. It really pissed off Joe Paterno, who also had his leg broken in that game.

  20. Always looking for a way to cheat the rules. That is way everyone hates the Patriots, except for their fans, who lose integrity they have to be a fan.

  21. Kolo Jezdec says:
    October 22, 2019 at 5:44 am
    Trying it out to use in a game when he might actually need to run time off the clock to secure a victory? I have often wondered why teams didn’t take repeated delay of game penalties when the clock is runnin, especially when the opposing team refuses the penalty.

    I loathe the Pats while still admiring their success. BB does not miss much.

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    More likely showing the Hole so he can save clock in the future.

  22. I know everybody is giving him credit for being a genius, and in some ways, he is, but this tactic doesn’t work if the Jets accept the penalty. They simply wanted to get out of there.

  23. Both punts were in field goal position. Does he not trust Nugent or did he want to make a point to extra embarrass the Jets? We’ll never know. Gase was clueless.

  24. I gotta say, I’m surprised.
    4 comments already and not a single one accusing BB or the Pats of cheating.

  25. Trying it out to use in a game when he might actually need to run time off the clock to secure a victory?
    +++++++++
    Why would he have to try it Out? He already knows the rules. Now he’s revealed it for the entire world to know. Sorta squandered any future advantage. That’s more the point, expose it to get it fixed.

    I have often wondered why teams didn’t take repeated delay of game penalties when the clock is runnin, especially when the opposing team refuses the penalty.
    +++++++
    Wow, aren’t you smart.
    Oh, wait, see above.

  26. wished he saved that little trinkette of knowledge for a more “important” time in a bigger game…. he wasted that loophole on a junk game

  27. More coaches should do this, as well as tell their players to run the play clock down when they have the lead. But most do not. They leave 5-15 seconds on the clock when they snap the ball. College coaches are even worse at time management.

  28. I thought the NFL was trying to speed up the game.
    Teams shouldn’t be able to take more than 25 seconds off the clock between plays.

  29. If its not illegal he can do so. The league is free once again to change the rules so the Pats can’t use something to their advantage no other coach has used. Or they can leave it in place and eventually another team will use it against the Pats, turnabout is fair play after all.

  30. People who give negative rating on this are so jealous that they don’t have someone as smart as BB. I laugh to see it.

  31. I see teams do this every other week including college games….taking a delay penalty to run time off the clock is nothing new….except in chowd land…

  32. This is just Belichick criticizing the NFL in a way that he can’t be fined for. It is brilliant, of course. But it has nothing to do with running out the clock. He’s just illustrating what we all already know: The people in the league offices have no idea what they’re doing.

  33. So what you’re saying is that BB is also a very Compassionate person trying to make the pain go away for the Jets as quickly as possible.

  34. I feel like I knew this COULD happen, because I’ve noticed it before (never with back-to-back penalties). I turned the game off before this…but why did the Jets DECLINE?

  35. He didn’t need to run Off clock here, he was testing the waters for the playoffs or Super-bowl.

  36. This is not a secret loophole, been a flaw for years. Shame on NFL that someone had to expose this before potential action to fix. Kudos to PFT for covering this, the flaw needed attention!

  37. If he was really smart, he should’ve done that maneuver in a close game that mattered. In a blow out like last night , it was just Belichick being a “Richard,”.

  38. Imagine a situation where a team is on their own one yard line with a 17 point lead and 8 minutes remaining. They could take six inch penalties until there is 5 minutes remaining and unlike last night this would be an enormous tactical advantage.

  39. Bill Belichick is the most innovative, successful and important person in the history of Pro Football. I’m serious. I mean every year he does something new that at this point shouldn’t, but still amazes me. And I’m not a pats fan. But it’s clear that BB is about 5 levels ahead of everyone else. I love TB12 and I believe he is the GOAT, but if I had to pick which of those two is more responsible for the Pats dynasty, it’s BB by a light year.

  40. I love the fact Bill mentioned it because he knows that ONCE AGAIN he’s so far ahead of everybody else that it’s simply not fair….Just like when he was filming the opposing coaches THAT WASN’T ILLEGAL!! But since nobody had ever done it before the league didn’t know what to do, and then when it came out that the Patriots were actually doing it the league did what it does best – PANICKED!!

  41. During the 2011 Super Bowl between NE and the Giants (Part II in Indy) The giants kept putting 12/13/14 guys on the field to prevent a Hail Mary. The Giants happily accepted their penalty because time is not put back on the clock. Why stop at 12/13/14? Why not just put all 48 dressed players on the field?

    That rule still has not been changed either. The NFL won’t until they have to react to public outcry. Instead they should get out in front of problems to prevent them from happening in the first place.

  42. “If he was really that smart, he would have saved it for a big game when he needed it, instead of just telling all his future opponents what he just did.”

    The “opponents” can’t do a darned thing about it. Don’t worry, the rules committee will fix it on their annual Ant-Patriots pogrom.

  43. Bill Mechefske says:
    October 22, 2019 at 6:05 am

    Yup. Best coach ever, though they will just end up giving the coach of the year award to Arians or Rivera.
    ______________________________

    Prolly the best in any team sport, ever.

    He exposes a hidden truth of the NFL – most coaches suck. In his illlustrious run this century, only once before (and this year) were the Pats considered the best team in the NFL. Nope, instead they maintain their supremacy by just doing their jobs. they don’t miss assignments, take uneccessary Personal Foul penalties.

    In the league only 1 team consistently does their job and that alone is enough for them to rule the roost.

    Maybe coaches should be hired based on their skill set and not who their brother, father, etc. is.

  44. nords14 says:
    October 22, 2019 at 6:31 am

    Smart yes but why use that in a game you’ve already won and not save it for a game that’s close? They will now certainly look at this and change the rule in the offseason.

    _—

    He was pointing out a flaw in the rulebook. If the Jets didn’t want time to run off, they could have just accepted the first penalty

  45. vikesr4reel says:
    October 22, 2019 at 8:37 am
    Another way to cheat the folks paying big bucks to watch a game.
    Sure it is within the rules but he is screwing the fans.
    #cheaterscheat
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    Stop cheating your brain of rational thought.

  46. Once again the evil emperor has shown the rebels how powerful he is, and now the crying will begin…..Get the tissues ready Martha it’s gonna be a long week for the haters

  47. LeGarrett Blount is a “player,” and a threat out of the backfield. How is he not better than what they have had trying to play fullback? Bring back Blount and have Develin teach him to play fullback. It fits under the salary cap. Do it!

  48. The media just makes things up to give Belichick credit for things coaches and fans have known for years. So your telling me Belichick told his players to commit penalities on purpose?

  49. Of course Belichick is playing chess,
    Totally different game with a totally different set of rules.
    I wonder what else that shady organization is getting away with behind the scenes. It takes a certain kind of cheater mindset to constantly come up with things that are blatantly used against the spirit of the game.

  50. Remember when Belichick decided to defer to the Jets in OT a few seasons ago resulting in a Patriots loss? Remember when Belichick goes for it on 4th and 2 against the Colts back in 2009 resulting in a loss? Genius…..I think not. LMAO

  51. vaphinfan says:
    October 22, 2019 at 9:27 am
    The media just makes things up to give Belichick credit for things coaches and fans have known for years. So your telling me Belichick told his players to commit penalities on purpose?
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    It works both ways. If the Pats do anything questionable that others teams have done before you will be the first one on here crying about the unprecedented cheating. Everything the Pats do good or bad is magnified x100. One thing we all know is you will be on here crying about it.

  52. pauldeba says:
    October 22, 2019 at 9:04 am
    The Falcons did it at the end of the 3rd Quarter in the Super Bowl, maybe not intentionally, though.
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    Was just about to say this

  53. The patriot who went in motion on the pre snap was laughing is can off and so was I. It was very funny. Heck even the refs were laughing too.

  54. icecake12 says: “This has been going on for years. Such an easy fix too.”
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    Please explain your “easy fix.” What, stop the gameclock after a penalty? Then every losing team will intentionally commit a foul on any 4th-and-6 (and longer) to stop the clock without needing to call a timeout.

    Unintended consequences, people.

  55. Queue the investigation and the cheating claims. Letting air out of footballs? No! This is far worse, BB is stealing time! Quick, a million dollar fine, 8 game suspension for BB and take their 2020 first round pick! LOL!

  56. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 9:38 am
    Remember when Belichick decided to defer to the Jets in OT a few seasons ago resulting in a Patriots loss? Remember when Belichick goes for it on 4th and 2 against the Colts back in 2009 resulting in a loss? Genius…..I think not. LMAO
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    Remember when BB held up that SB trophy for a 6th time as a HC last year? LMAO at the jealousy your provide daily. Its beautiful.

  57. ravenschick says:
    October 22, 2019 at 7:52 am
    Always looking for a way to cheat the rules. That is way everyone hates the Patriots, except for their fans, who lose integrity they have to be a fan.

    *************
    Is it cheating when it’s within the rules?

    To borrow a line from Stripes, “Lighten up Francis!”

  58. marima07 says:
    October 22, 2019 at 8:53 am
    Half expected to see John Harbaugh run off the sideline with his hands in the air…

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    LOL!

    Don’t worry, Cheatbaugh, Cheatsay, Grigcheat and others are huddle on a conference call with Woody Johnson right now brainstorming some ideas to frame NE again for something that really isn’t quite true.

    Stay tuned!

    ESPN has flown in Chris Mortensen on a private jet into Foxborough.

  59. I honestly didn’t even know it was within the rule book to decline those penalties.

    The Jets forced the Patriots into this loop hole cause they wanted the game over more than the Pats did.

  60. This is likely part of the NFL’s stupid goal of shortening games. Surprised there wasn’t a run-off. I could never understand why their goal is to shorten the games. I hate the new time rules. Player goes out of bounds and the clock starts once the ball is set? You’re tackled out of bounds but not making forward progress the clock keeps running. All stupid in my opinion.

  61. “Genius” or not, that smug smile on his face, not to mention he exploitation of the rules while game in hand, makes me want to slap him.

  62. firstdownbrowns says:
    October 22, 2019 at 5:41 am
    the NFL needs a 10 run rule when these games get out of hand .

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Good idea, might as well give out participation trophy’s too. oops sorry The Colts already get those and then hang the flags up.

  63. “A genius would have saved this for a game that was in doubt…”

    Lolz at all you people saying this. Unless the league changes the rules to prevent this during the current season, he can certainly use the same strategy again.

  64. Now the league has to change the rules so people with no integrity can’t figure out a way to abuse and use them in a way they weren’t intended. To cheat the game for which they have no respect. They is their legacy in a nutshell, and how they will always be remembered.

  65. Should the storyline on this be “Bill Belichick: Genius” or “Adam Gase: Moron”? I guess you can have a bit of both on this one.

  66. Great! Now every team with a lead is gonna be doing that. That’s what you love to see as a football fan, exploiting loopholes over game action.

  67. “They could take six inch penalties until there is 5 minutes remaining and unlike last night this would be an enormous tactical advantage.”
    ________________

    You’re misunderstanding the rule. It would only result in extra time being run off if the other team (stupidly) kept declining the penalties like what Gase did last night. (Something they’d have absolutely no reason to do in the situation you describe.) If they simply accept the first penalty the clock is stopped and no extra time runs off.

  68. Why is this being presented as genius? This has been something I’ve noticed before and wondered why the league rules make this possible, but nobody seemed bothered by it so I didn’t give it more thought. Football really isn’t all that complicated.

  69. It’s a horrible loophole and I’m surprised it lasted this long. If you’re up big with 10 minutes left, you could literally just stand there at the line of scrimmage taking delay of game penalties. The clock wouldn’t stop til you get to 5 minutes.

  70. “I feel like I knew this COULD happen, because I’ve noticed it before (never with back-to-back penalties). I turned the game off before this…but why did the Jets DECLINE?”
    _______________

    Because, unlike Belichick, Gase didn’t know the rules and/or he was bound and determined to “win” that one by not letting Belichick get those extra 5 yards to help out his punter. This is classic Adam Gase: Not nearly as smart as he thinks he is and focused on all the wrong things.

  71. torgow says:
    October 22, 2019 at 10:49 am
    It’s a horrible loophole and I’m surprised it lasted this long. If you’re up big with 10 minutes left, you could literally just stand there at the line of scrimmage taking delay of game penalties. The clock wouldn’t stop til you get to 5 minutes.

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    Or the defense could simply accept the penalty and stop the clock

  72. NOT a Pats fan. But I’ve read a lot of comments saying he should have saved it for when it mattered. Just shows he has more integrity than a lot of you. Saw a gap, didnt exploit it, pointed it out. Many of you should take a good look in the mirror.

  73. nflhofcounts says:
    October 22, 2019 at 10:21 am

    Now the league has to change the rules so people with no integrity can’t figure out a way to abuse and use them in a way they weren’t intended. To cheat the game for which they have no respect. They is their legacy in a nutshell, and how they will always be remembered.
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    you’re saying these are the rules and yet it’s cheating?

  74. If you don’t think he did it for the sole purpose of highlighting a loop hole then you’re nuts. If he was as sneaky as many of you have indicated he would have waited and used it when it mattered. His post game comments all but solidify that position. This was good for the league.

  75. ravenschick says:
    October 22, 2019 at 7:52 am
    Always looking for a way to cheat the rules. That is way everyone hates the Patriots, except for their fans, who lose integrity they have to be a fan.
    ===================
    So when your team is watching the SB from home you can rest comfortable in knowing at least you have your integrity. 🙂

    The Pats may arguably be the best at finding the grey space in the rules but they most definitely are not the only or the first team to ever do so. It’s patently ridiculous to even suggest otherwise. In the end, this isn’t so much about cheating but being beat (usually repeatedly) for being unprepared. Ascribing it to cheating is simply the mechanism fans use to make them feel better about their waning loyalty.

  76. tatupu2collins says:
    October 22, 2019 at 10:21 am
    Imagine the screaming from the Pats haters if he had done this in a meaningful game.

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    And imagine how they would call it pure genius if their team had done it!

  77. The rest of us play tic-tac-toe. Most coaches play checkers, like Pete Carroll. Paul Brown was playing chess, and gave us modern football strategy. Bill Belichick plays GO, and apparently is a moneyball expert. Does more with less, than any other current coach. And apparently he will still be able do it with a “George Blanda” at QB.

    I’m no fan of the Patriots, but anyone who loves that game must respect what Belicheck has done. First round HOF. He and Brown, GOAT.

    Next coach that tries to run the clock in a competitive situation will get an penalty for unsportsmanlike conduct. Belichick took a page from the playbook of Marshawn Lynch — “Don’t Get, Find”

  78. Here are the QBs they’ve played:

    Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to

    Week 2 : Fitzpatrick/Rosen

    Week 3: Luke Falk

    Week 4: Josh Allen

    Week 5: Colt McCoy

    Week 6: Daniel Jones (no Barkley, no TE, no top WR)

    Week 7: Sam Darnold

  79. Too much credit being given. The realy question is why the Jets declined 2 penalties that would have presumably given them better field position.

  80. lscottman3 says:
    October 22, 2019 at 6:04 am
    Why isn’t he still no the competition committee?

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    I think the reaction would be much more negative if Bill was on the competition committee while exploiting little loopholes to his advantage. Most non-Patriot fans would probably accuse him of “cheating”.

  81. Any other coach, the refs wouldn’t have run out the clock and they would have interpreted it differently.

  82. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 11:26 am
    I would be a genius too if I played 6 teams in 7 games with a combined wins of 6 and won them.
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    First – you should stop using the word genius because you really do not know the definition. Second – how about those three playoff teams the Pats beat last year with a combined record of 37-11 to win another SB?

    You are neglecting your duties to posting on the Colts articles. Oh wait, its your duty to post only about the Pats. Why does the Patriots success get your britches in a twist? Man you are so sensitive to their success.

  83. vikesr4reel says:
    October 22, 2019 at 8:37 am
    Another way to cheat the folks paying big bucks to watch a game.
    Sure it is within the rules but he is screwing the fans.
    #cheaterscheat
    ===============
    #solongasthefansarehappy

  84. avenschick says:
    October 22, 2019 at 7:52 am
    Always looking for a way to cheat the rules. That is way everyone hates the Patriots, except for their fans, who lose integrity they have to be a fan.

    And this is why people like you are just dumb
    Enjoy watching the Sb from your couch like the Ravens players will be doing.

  85. vaphinfan says:
    October 22, 2019 at 9:27 am
    The media just makes things up to give Belichick credit for things coaches and fans have known for years. So your telling me Belichick told his players to commit penalities on purpose?
    ================
    In this case, yes. You can clearly see Bolden committing the penalty with a smile on his face afterwards. Maybe we’re supposed to believe the crowd noise in a blow out game contributed to the player signaling for the snap to false start with a rear mule kick?

  86. Always looking for a way to cheat the rules. That is way everyone hates the Patriots, except for their fans, who lose integrity they have to be a fan.
    ********************

    Hey sweetie, BB showed a lot of integrity for pointing this loophole out rather than keeping it in his pocket for future use, yet everyone here (including you) are calling him out for cheating. Honestly, I’m not sure you know what that word means, because it’s not cheating if it’s in the rules…

  87. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 9:38 am
    Remember when Belichick decided to defer to the Jets in OT a few seasons ago resulting in a Patriots loss? Remember when Belichick goes for it on 4th and 2 against the Colts back in 2009 resulting in a loss? Genius…..I think not. LMAO
    ===================
    It always amazes me when people legitimately “think” that genius and infallibility are the same thing.

  88. Not much of a loophole. When are in the lead and need to run out the clock I hve always wondered why teams dont commit multiple infractions to run out the clock some

  89. cletuspstillwaterjr says:
    October 22, 2019 at 6:09 am
    tb12greatest says:

    Absolute genius

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    If he was a genius he would have saved that stunt for a time when he really needed to run down the clock.
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    It’s not a trick play. Every single team can do it every single week until the competition committee fixes the rule.

  90. nflhofcounts says:
    October 22, 2019 at 10:21 am
    Now the league has to change the rules so people with no integrity can’t figure out a way to abuse and use them in a way they weren’t intended. To cheat the game for which they have no respect. They is their legacy in a nutshell, and how they will always be remembered.
    =========================
    The Patriots …

    The only team in NFL history to film a team in the wrong location.
    The only team to every play with deflated balls ( be it naturally or not).
    The only team to ever have wireless communication issues.
    The only team to ever to disguise eligible receivers.
    The only team to ever finesse injury reports.

    ^
    |

    Legacy ladies and gentlemen ………….

  91. If he was a genius he would have saved that stunt for a time when he really needed to run down the clock.

    *****************************

    It wouldn’t work in a real situation that he needs, because the other team would accept the penalty…it only works when both teams are ready for the game to end

  92. Belichick cannot match the Giants’ clock management skills with their brilliant use of the 3-and-out strategy that takes minutes off the clock without advancing the ball or scoring any points.

  93. Gase needed to respect the delay of game penalty like every other coach and team has ever done when wanting more punting room.

    Good on BB for pointing out that Gase broke the code like arrogant turd he is.

    What has this weirdo ever done besides luck into working with Manning?

  94. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 11:29 am
    Here are the QBs they’ve played:

    Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to
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    You hate to see it but the great Roger here needs to lie again to try to make a point. Do you ever get tired of the abuse you take? You do realize the Pats played the Steelers the FIRST GAME of the season, right?

    “Roethlisberger injured the arm late in the second quarter of Sunday’s 28-26 loss to Seattle.” But the Patriots caused the injury naturally. #makestuffuptofeelbetteraboutmyself

  95. patsarticlemustpost says:
    October 22, 2019 at 1:28 pm
    rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 11:29 am
    Here are the QBs they’ve played:

    Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to
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    You hate to see it but the great Roger here needs to lie again to try to make a point. Do you ever get tired of the abuse you take? You do realize the Pats played the Steelers the FIRST GAME of the season, right?

    “Roethlisberger injured the arm late in the second quarter of Sunday’s 28-26 loss to Seattle.” But the Patriots caused the injury naturally. #makestuffuptofeelbetteraboutmyself
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    What lie did I make? How does Ben just hurt his elbow throwing? He must have been playing hurt previously.
    #ihavetodefendthepatriotssomuchbecausemylifeisemptyandpointless

    LMAO

  96. patsarticlemustpost says:
    October 22, 2019 at 11:53 am
    rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 11:26 am
    I would be a genius too if I played 6 teams in 7 games with a combined wins of 6 and won them.
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    First – you should stop using the word genius because you really do not know the definition. Second – how about those three playoff teams the Pats beat last year with a combined record of 37-11 to win another SB?

    You are neglecting your duties to posting on the Colts articles. Oh wait, its your duty to post only about the Pats. Why does the Patriots success get your britches in a twist? Man you are so sensitive to their success.
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    First you should stop using the word genius for Belichick because he is not. He exploits rules and gets away with them due to Kraft’s money.

    How am I a Colts fan? You must be dumber than you sound. Oh wait, it’s your duty to wrongly accuse someone of something they are not because that’s the Patriot way. Why does the Patriots success give you the illusion that you are successful yourself? Did you manage to move out of mom’s basement for a few hours because you had to pick up the hot pockets yourself?

    Say mad and triggered.

  97. patsarticlemustpost says:
    October 22, 2019 at 1:28 pm
    rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 11:29 am
    Here are the QBs they’ve played:

    Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to
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    You hate to see it but the great Roger here needs to lie again to try to make a point. Do you ever get tired of the abuse you take? You do realize the Pats played the Steelers the FIRST GAME of the season, right?

    “Roethlisberger injured the arm late in the second quarter of Sunday’s 28-26 loss to Seattle.” But the Patriots caused the injury naturally. #makestuffuptofeelbetteraboutmyself

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    If you were half as smart as you think you are you would have realized he injured it last year and it just kept getting worse but that theory doesn’t fit your homer biased agenda. But I know your self love is boundless so have a good day anyway

    As to Grumpy Old Cheating Bill only nerdy types get satisfaction gaming the game that pays them so handsomely. And of course just simple jerks.

  98. Any team that plays a string of bad teams the Patriots fanboys be like

    “Hurr durr you haven’t played anyone good”

    Meanwhile the Patriots have played 6 teams in 7 games with a combined wins of 6….

    “We don’t make the schedule, you’re a hater! Yeah I got him, high five!”

  99. giov41 says:

    October 22, 2019 at 5:26 am
    The man plays chess while the rest of the league is reading the rules on how to play checkers.

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    Try to be a little more clever. Saying is played out

  100. Bill has upstairs what most like to brag about having downstairs.

    He wants everything reviewable, so he tweaks the league now and then with its own rulebook.

    But the offensive line spacing and order he ‘pulled’ in the Ravens playoff game will never be exceeded in its mining for situational value. The refs and Harbaugh were so taken aback that the sequence should be curriculum for lawyers

  101. How long is the league going to put up with this scam artist? There are hared and fast rules and there is good sportsmanship. Belicheat doesn’t know how to be a good sport and just dares other coaches to be the same type of creep he is. Is that what fans really want? It’s no badge of honor to win this way.

  102. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 2:11 pm
    What lie did I make? How does Ben just hurt his elbow throwing? He must have been playing hurt previously.
    #ihavetodefendthepatriotssomuchbecausemylifeisemptyandpointless

    LMAO
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    “He must have been playing hurt previously.” How about we play truth or lie? How do you know this to be true? By every account he injured it in the first half of the Seattle game yet here you are claiming otherwise. Since you are so sure it’s the truth how about you prove it?

  103. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 2:17 pm
    Any team that plays a string of bad teams the Patriots fanboys be like

    “Hurr durr you haven’t played anyone good”

    Meanwhile the Patriots have played 6 teams in 7 games with a combined wins of 6….

    “We don’t make the schedule, you’re a hater! Yeah I got him, high five!”
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    First off it’s 7 wins. Second it’s laughable to decry stupidity when purposely omitting the 5 win team solely to make a point. Simply put, all 7 games still proves your point. 😐 Lastly, they could be 22-23 like the Vikings and you’d still be here pounding the same old rhetoric that the Pats haven’t played anybody. How about every Pats fan concedes that point if you concede the point it really doesn’t matter?

  104. vasteelersfan – If you were half as smart as you think you are you would have realized he injured it last year and it just kept getting worse but that theory doesn’t fit your homer biased agenda. But I know your self love is boundless so have a good day anyway

    As to Grumpy Old Cheating Bill only nerdy types get satisfaction gaming the game that pays them so handsomely. And of course just simple jerks.
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    I do like myself. That is why I do not go cry about other teams to make myself feel better. Something you should have learned by now at your age. Your infatuation with BB is epic. Do you have his fathead on the wall? Its funny that you are a Grumpy Old Man and constantly calling BB a Grumpy Old Man.

  105. rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 2:11 pm
    patsarticlemustpost says:
    October 22, 2019 at 1:28 pm
    rogergoodellmyhero says:
    October 22, 2019 at 11:29 am
    Here are the QBs they’ve played:

    Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to
    ————————————

    You hate to see it but the great Roger here needs to lie again to try to make a point. Do you ever get tired of the abuse you take? You do realize the Pats played the Steelers the FIRST GAME of the season, right?

    “Roethlisberger injured the arm late in the second quarter of Sunday’s 28-26 loss to Seattle.” But the Patriots caused the injury naturally. #makestuffuptofeelbetteraboutmyself
    ———————————————-
    What lie did I make? How does Ben just hurt his elbow throwing? He must have been playing hurt previously.
    #ihavetodefendthepatriotssomuchbecausemylifeisemptyandpointless

    LMAO
    ——————–

    Really? That is your best comeback? I just looked at the injury report from last year and did not see any elbow injury. Athletes hurt their elbows all the time throwing. Ever hear of athletes getting Tommy John surgery? I have this sneaky suspicion you have not played too many sports.

    So you use that # yet you are the one who cries about the Pats daily. You need to add “irony” to your vocabulary list. I wish my life was so fulfilling that I would go post on the Colts boards every single day crying about them. You are living the life Roger.

  106. rogergoodellmyhero: Week 1: big Ben with a busted elbow and nobody to throw to
    Everybody else: He hurt his elbow in week 2

    rogergoodellmyhero: Doubles down on it and continues to claim he was hurt prior to week 2 despite zero evidence to suggest that was the case. And than decides it’s infinitely better to continue the Pats homer banter than accept the pwnage.

    You really should be a Pats fan. You’re just as bad.

  107. fireroger says:
    October 22, 2019 at 12:40 pm
    ________________________
    Nothing else matters that occurred SUBSEQUENT to the obvious texts, destruction of evidence and video data already proving guilt. There is nothing therefore to ignore or defend around this premise, and you know there are zero texts referencing the tampering happening only before ref inspection. Myself, along with most others including the NFL and Judge Chin agree with this premise. And the fact that he was still punished based on this premise gives credibility.

  108. I used to hate BB and Brady, but 2-3 years ago I realized that I was fortunate to see the greatest Coach and QB ever to play the game. And I’m not even a Patriots fan.

  109. nflhofcounts says:
    October 22, 2019 at 8:31 pm
    fireroger says:
    October 22, 2019 at 12:40 pm
    ________________________
    Nothing else matters that occurred SUBSEQUENT to the obvious texts, destruction of evidence and video data already proving guilt. There is nothing therefore to ignore or defend around this premise, and you know there are zero texts referencing the tampering happening only before ref inspection. Myself, along with most others including the NFL and Judge Chin agree with this premise. And the fact that he was still punished based on this premise gives credibility.
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    Deflategate will easily go down as the biggest sham in NFL history. Spygate and Bountygate as close runner ups. The feeble minded NFL fans who continue to hold these issues against these teams only prove their age. If they were older and were not complacent they’d discover there isn’t anything unique about any of those “gates”. All those teams from ages ago are just as culpable.

    And as much as people want to point out the actual “evidence” of deflategate there’s as much if not more that shows the NFL worked overtime to manufacture what it needed to cobble it together. Judge Berman even agreed with that premise. Either way, we can most certainly remove credibility from the entire conversation.

  110. nflhofcounts says:

    Nothing else matters that occurred SUBSEQUENT to the obvious texts, destruction of evidence and video data already proving guilt. There is nothing therefore to ignore or defend around this premise, and you know there are zero texts referencing the tampering happening only before ref inspection. Myself, along with most others including the NFL and Judge Chin agree with this premise. And the fact that he was still punished based on this premise gives credibility.

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    Uh texts literally call out the refs for overinflating the footballs at one point. That is a literal reference to “tampering happening only before ref inspection” and how the referees changed the legal pressure that the equipment guys intended. And that was further shown in the AFCCG when some of the post game footballs were found to be illegally OVER-inflated by the halftime officials. Premise fail.

  111. UH – that really explains the courts and the congressional probes that have taken place with so many other teams….oh wait….that would be ZERO other teams.

    Guilty and punished. RG destroyed evidence to avoid further embarrassment to the league. The sale would have been forced had he not. Get over your Joke of any boilerplate cherry picked explanations. Nothing under BB counts and everyone agrees with that fact.

    And you still haven’t explained away the texts (the deflater …ya that’s a ‘weight’ reference), destruction of evidence and video of equipment guys taking the ball into a room??

    Patrick Leahy
    Arlan Spector
    Judge Chin

    etc etc etc

  112. So you agree, there were texts referring to pre inspection ball pressure setting.

    And there wasn’t a congressional probe. Sen. Arlen Specter “I have been careful not to call for a Congressional hearing because I believe the NFL should step forward and embrace an independent inquiry and Congress is extraordinarily busy on other matters” and also said “I’m not going to call for hearings because the mood is not right and we’ve got too many other bigger problems to deal with” and called it off. And too bad the tapes were shown the media first and it was actually Goodell who got rid of the tapes. And taping was nothing new in the NFL and was only unofficially against the rules from a specific locations after ’06. It actually is still legal from some locations.

    Too bad for you the NFL is currently hiding the evidence you need to actually prove it. Unless…gasp!… the PSI logs they are keeping don’t help their case.

    We’ve all been through this before and no one can show any evidence of a post inspection “scheme” or actual scientific evidence.

  113. Indeed – yes we’ve all been through this disastrous homer (copy & pastes from years of being beat down on these boards) cherry picked arguments that mean nothing. RG destroyed the tapes (evidence) making it pointless to proceed with congressional probe that had started. And you still haven’t explained away the texts (the deflator ..…ya that’s a ‘weight’ reference), destruction of evidence and video of equipment guys taking the ball into a room?? Be realistic.

    This ship has sailed…guilty on all counts and punished regardless of any moot boilerplate homer spin. Sorry this never seems to work out for you.

    We’ve already agreed to disagree

  114. So there were texts referring to pre inspection ball pressure setting and there was no congressional probe. agreed. And you somehow believe Goodell in deflategate but find him shady during Spygate. He’s messed up just about every investigation he touches (ie Rice, Josh Brown, bountygate, concussions, Zeke, etc.) and yet you find him credible and somehow above the laws of physics. You can’t call someone “guilty” when it was proved the bank was never robbed in the first place and especially when its not taking place in a real court. And again, zero texts refer to post inspection ball pressure setting so they don’t help you. And NFL received all cell data and, above and beyond, all emails. Yet the NFL themselves hid evidence and access thus compromised the standard of equal discovery. NFL has no answer for that.

    Strange how you don’t find it problematic the NFL/Goodell hid loads of evidence. Why were certain witnesses not allowed to be called? Where are the psi logs? Why did the NFL repeatedly lie to the public and in open court? Odd actions to take if the “case” was so open and shut. As the judges themselves said, its all about Article 46. That was all.

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