PFT’s Week Nine power rankings

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1. Patriots (8-0; last week No. 1): Tommy vs. Jimmy G. is the Super Bowl matchup America needs.

2. 49ers (7-0; No. 2): How can the best offense in the NFL get even better? Give Nick Bosa some reps at tight end.

3. Saints (7-1; No. 3): The perfect way to celebrate the 10-year anniversary of a Super Bowl win in Miami would be to win the Super Bowl in Miami.

4. Packers (7-1; No. 4): Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.

5. Ravens (5-2; No. 5): The Ravens can go from playoff contender to Super Bowl contender on Sunday night.

6. Seahawks (6-2; No. 7): Even with a Week 10 Monday night showdown against the 49ers looming, they can’t afford to peek past a Week Nine return engagement with Bruce Arians.

7. Vikings (6-2; No. 8): The difference between a special season and a wild-card scramble hinges on the next two games.

8. Bills (5-2; No. 6): The five seed is still better than no seed.

9. Colts (5-2; No. 11): They’re good enough to beat any good team. But they’re not good enough to not lose to any bad team.

10. Rams (5-3; No. 12): They’ll need to play better than they did against the Bengals in London if they hope to beat the Steelers in Pittsburgh.

11. Chiefs (5-3; No. 9): Lose to the Vikings, and the Chiefs may be saying farewell to a bye.

12. Texans (5-3; No. 14): The gap between Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson is far narrower than most would admit.

13. Cowboys (4-3; No. 13): They return to the scene of a loss to a bad New York team, hopeful to not lose to a bad New York team.

14. Eagles (4-4; No. 15): If the Eagles would play as well as they do with their backs against the wall when their backs aren’t against the wall, their backs would never be against the wall.

15. Panthers (4-3; No. 10): The team the Panthers lost to on Sunday at Levi’s Stadium is even better than the team that beat the Panthers in the Super Bowl played there.

16. Jaguars (4-4; No. 17): Nick Foles may soon be back to being a highly competent backup quarterback.

17. Steelers (3-4; No. 18): The Steelers are 3-1 in night games, 0-4 in day games. With only one night game left on the docket, they’ll need to boost that ratio.

18. Lions (3-3-1; No. 19): The Lions could still cobble together a playoff run.

19. Titans (4-4; No. 20): The consistently inconsistent Titans are slowly becoming more consistent.

20. Raiders (3-4; No. 16): Just when it looks like they’re in, they pull them back out.

21. Chargers (3-5; No. 27): “Hey, guys! Let’s go out and celebrate our big win! . . . Right after I fire the offensive coordinator.”

22. Browns (2-5; No. 21): By the time the schedule softens, the season may as a practical matter be over.

23. Bears (3-4; No. 22): The worst thing that could have happened to Matt Nagy was winning 12 games last year.

24. Cardinals (3-4-1; No. 23): The reward for giving the Saints a closer game than the final score suggests is a short-week showdown against a team that is capable of blowing the Cardinals out of their own stadium.

25. Broncos (2-6; No. 24): The Joe Flacco era is over. There was one?

26. Buccaneers (2-5; No. 26): If Bruce Arians didn’t already drink, this season would definitely drive him to.

27. Giants (2-6; No. 28): This season is making Giants fans nostalgic for oversized suits and Brylcreem.

28. Jets (1-6; No. 25): Like Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense, the Jets’ season has been dead all along.

29. Falcons (1-7; No. 29): Maybe making Dan Quinn finish the season is more of a punishment than firing him would be.

30. Washington (1-7; No. 31): The sooner they give Dwayne Haskins live reps, the sooner he’ll reach his ceiling — whatever it may be.

31. Bengals (0-8; No. 30): Maybe they should have kept Marvin Lewis.

32. Dolphins (0-7; No. 32): The best tank job is the tank job that doesn’t always look like a tank job.

125 responses to “PFT’s Week Nine power rankings

  1. 17. Steelers (3-4; No. 18): The Steelers are 3-0 in night games, 0-4 in day games. With only one night game left on the docket, they’ll need to boost that ratio.

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    As much as I would want to forgot the SNF Patriots / Steelers match-up, pretty sure they lost that one by just a smidge.

  2. “14. Eagles (4-4; No. 15): If the Eagles would play as well as they do with their backs against the wall when their backs aren’t against the wall, they’re backs would never be against the wall.”

    As a Philly fan, I completely agree with this take.

  3. The Vikings sure showed how dominant they were over the worst NFC team last week. Washington has notable weapons on offense and defense, and wound up playing Dwayne “I never should have been drafted” Haskins. Wait… on not one of those statements is true.

  4. Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.

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    LOL This was hilarious, well done sir, well done.

  5. The Almighty Cabbage says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:22 pm
    EVERYBODY is too high!

    Now nobody else has to bother.

    You’re welcome.

    **********

    Human Resources would like to have a conversation with you.

  6. About the Titans consistency, I’m reminded of an old hockey player interview about his consistency where he seriously said, ‘Last season my consistency came in streaks’. I still chuckle whenever I hear that word.

  7. The only gap between Mahomes and Watson was their offensive lines. Those lines are nearly equal now.

  8. I hate the Eagles as much as the next guy, but didn’t they beat the Bills 31-13 this week? How can they move up only one spot while the Bills only drop to 8? Either the Bills are good so the Eagles should get credit for beating them or the Bills are bad so they shouldn’t be in the top 8.

    So far, the Bills have beaten the Jets, Giants, Bengals, Titans, and Dolphins. Their next four games are against the Redskins, Browns, Dolphins, and Broncos. This team is going to be 9-2 but I don’t think they should be in the top 10.

  9. Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.
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    Well, no. Brady gets championships, Rodgers dos not.

  10. That’s as close as most ever come to calling Aaron a “gunslinger.” Some may think Florio was kind of cutting on Aaron, but he actually is giving him a huge compliment which is rare here. I would say Aaron is a combo of both gunslinger and master surgeon. Aaron is one member of a very good TEAM in Green Bay. It will be fun to see how this season plays out.

    Packers focus is on the Chargers.

    One game at a time!

    #GoPackGo!🏈

  11. How many teams in the NFL would be 7-1 right now without their starting quarterback, running back AND tight end? Other than the Saints I mean…;)

  12. Don’t those proclaim a Browns Bears Super Bowl look foolish. Maybe not as foolish as Mitch for MVP though.

  13. A Frisco fan’s power ranking

    1. 49ers 2. Patriots 3. Packers 4. Saints 5. Vikings 6. LAmbs 7. Ravens 8. Texans 9. Colts 10. Sea Dorks 11. Cowboys 12. Chiefs 13. Bills 14. Panthers 15. Lions 16. Eagles 17. Jaguars 18. Bears 19. Raiders 20. Cardinals 21.Titans 22. Steelers 23. Bucs. 2. Chargers, 25. Browns . 26. Giants 27. Broncos 28. Jets 29. Falcons 30. Redskins 31. Dolphins 32. Bengals

  14. SaintsGotRobbed says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:45 pm

    How many teams in the NFL would be 7-1 right now without their starting quarterback, running back AND tight end? Other than the Saints I mean…;)
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    They could very well be the NFC rep in the Super Bowl and I’m a Vikings fan!

  15. tokyosandblaster says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    The Vikings sure showed how dominant they were over the worst NFC team last week. Washington has notable weapons on offense and defense, and wound up playing Dwayne “I never should have been drafted” Haskins. Wait… on not one of those statements is true.

    ÷÷÷÷÷÷

    And yet your precious team needed the officials to gift wrap a win against the Vikings. At home nonetheless.

  16. Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.
    ,………………………………………………………………………………
    Sorry, did I missed Rodgers 8 other SB appearances? Did I miss his 5 other rings he won along the way….Rodgers in no way deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as TB12…oh and your boy is 500 on the road, legend stats right there…

  17. dsigrey says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:39 pm
    Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.
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    Well, no. Brady gets championships, Rodgers dos not.
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    The Patriots can win with anyone at QB and have, the Packers are nothing without Rodgers. Swap Brady and Rodgers over there careers and the Pats wouldn’t lose a Superbowl and the Packers would get maybe 1.

    It is a team game and Rodgers has had 1 solid team around him where he hasn’t had to do it all. Brady has benefitted from Belicheck and his greatness.

    Rodgers>Brady

    Brady is a system QB.

  18. It took a fake “horse collar” this week and a fake touchdown-negating “in the grasp” last week just to get the Colts a couple of wins! So yes “They’re good enough to beat any good team” assuming they get some help from the refs.

  19. “Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.”

    You tell me which one you would want to be your surgeon. Lol.

  20. joshgordonsbong says:
    October 29, 2019 at 1:03 pm
    Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.
    ,………………………………………………………………………………
    Sorry, did I missed Rodgers 8 other SB appearances? Did I miss his 5 other rings he won along the way….Rodgers in no way deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as TB12…oh and your boy is 500 on the road, legend stats right there…
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    Since it is the Week 9 Power Rankings of the 2019 Season, logic would dictate that it is referring to the games played THIS year, not their whole careers. Relax.

  21. Do we need power rankings of ALL 32 teams? Really? Only the top 12 teams are worth glancing because I only care who will make it to the playoff. Do we really need to rank the Dolphins and Bengals? Seriously?

  22. “14. Eagles (4-4; No. 15): If the Eagles would play as well as they do with their backs against the wall when their backs aren’t against the wall, they’re backs would never be against the wall.”

    As a Philly fan, I completely agree with this take.
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    Eagles get real lucky when “their backs are against the wall” to keep finding bad quarterbacks to play against…or, get a Thursday night game which are usually beneficial to the inferior team. Their backs will be against the wall after bye facing the Patriots. Let’s see how that turns out.

  23. Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.
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    Uhh- Brady’s 8 more SB appearances, and 5 more SB rings might not exactly count as getting “the same results”!

  24. For the first time ever, I agree completely with these rankings at this point in the season. It will be determined over the next several weeks if teams ranked 5-15 are in the hunt or pretenders. The NFC has a much more competitive race.

  25. diveleft says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:56 pm
    tokyosandblaster says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    The Vikings sure showed how dominant they were over the worst NFC team last week. Washington has notable weapons on offense and defense, and wound up playing Dwayne “I never should have been drafted” Haskins. Wait… on not one of those statements is true.

    ÷÷÷÷÷÷

    And yet your precious team needed the officials to gift wrap a win against the Vikings. At home nonetheless.
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    And also gift wrapped a one-point win against the LIONS who were cheated out of a win, even the League admitted that.

  26. “ Saints vs Niners will be the real Superbowl”

    Unless you know, whoever the NFC champ is loses in the Super Bowl

  27. Who cares where someone ranks any team? What would concern me is if the team I follow was ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league in either offense or defense at this point of the season. That’s really telling of exactly who teams for this season.

  28. Niners D was a big surprise this year, and solely responsible for all 7 wins. Jimmy G is a 2nd round pick throwing interceptions and making terrible errors every week. This won’t work against front line teams who are every bit as good on D, but actually have a legit offence. Niners = Raiders at best.

  29. Uhh- Brady’s 8 more SB appearances, and 5 more SB rings might not exactly count as getting “the same results”!
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    Uh accept, Rodgers success is legit…oops….minor detail eh?

  30. Rogers studied at Brett Favre Academy in Green Bay. Brett was another well-known master of “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.”

  31. Don’t get me wrong – I’m a huge Brady fan …attended the same high school as did Bonds (ironically). So the reality is not about being a fan of any particular team…nothing in it for us other than making those guys more cash. No, it’s about enjoying the sport without it being blackened by the stench of cheating, and worse.. denying it. RG could have nipped this in the butt back in ’07, but thought he was doing the right thing for the league itself by destroying the evidence. He instead ended up rewarding bad behavior and this is what it came to. Very sad. Mr. Kraft’s behavior as of late pretty much reveals the lack of integrity from the top down.

  32. How are the Bills 8th after getting destroyed by the Eagles and showed how overrated their defense is that faced a bunch of cakewalk teams? Their wins are vs teams with a combined 7-32 record and lost to teams with combined 12-4 record. Also consider that 3 of the QB they have faced (Dalton, Manning, Mariota) have been benched and Fitzpatrick was benched once already, got his job back.

    Wins:
    Barely beat 0-8 Bengals 21-17
    Struggled with 0-8 Dolphins, winning 31-21
    Barely beat the 1-6 Jets 17-16
    Beat the 2-6 Giants w/ Eli 28-14
    Barely beat the 4-4 Titans 14-7

    Destroyed by 4-4 Eagles 31-13
    Lost to 8-0 Patriots

  33. > Uhh- Brady’s 8 more SB appearances, and 5 more SB rings might not exactly count as getting “the same results”!

    Check out the defensive rankings of those teams. Pats almost always top 10, usually top 5. Packers were top 10 once with Rodgers, and won it all. Rodgers has been better in the playoffs and the Super Bowl than Brady, as well as regular season.

    If you chart wins/losses by pts their defense has given up in individual games over their careers, their winning pcts are almost exactly the same, with Rodgers slightly better.

    It’s great that you love Brady. We are happy to have Rodgers. Win win.

  34. There go those delusional Patriot fans again my God you people live in a world that nobody else can understand. This guy’s comment anyone could play quarterback for the Patriots and they would win is about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in fact the Patriots will never ever win anything again once Brady leaves what a joke what an absolute joke you people are. Just absolutely completely in a dream world, put the Patriots in the NFC this year and they might have 4 wins.. it’s a shame Patriot fans will never admit that they have the cushiest schedule every year that have for the past 20 years. I’m out

  35. directdriver says:
    October 29, 2019 at 1:23 pm

    Do we need power rankings of ALL 32 teams? Really? Only the top 12 teams are worth glancing because I only care who will make it to the playoff. Do we really need to rank the Dolphins and Bengals? Seriously?
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    If you think the top 12 teams at midseason are the ones that will make the playoffs, you haven’t been watching football very long.

  36. I wish I could count on Seattle throttling the Bucs before the huge Monday Night matchup with Clara but…..every week is a game with the Seahawks. They make sure all 4 quarters matter.

  37. 4. Packers (7-1; No. 4): Tom Brady is a master surgeon who plans out every procedure in meticulous detail. Aaron Rodgers says, “Let’s cut this bastard open and see what we’ve got.” They both get the same results.

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    Umm 6 rings vs. 1? No they most certainly do not get the same results.

  38. observantfan says:
    October 29, 2019 at 1:52 pm
    There go those delusional Patriot fans again my God you people live in a world that nobody else can understand. This guy’s comment anyone could play quarterback for the Patriots and they would win is about the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard in fact the Patriots will never ever win anything again once Brady leaves what a joke what an absolute joke you people are. Just absolutely completely in a dream world, put the Patriots in the NFC this year and they might have 4 wins.. it’s a shame Patriot fans will never admit that they have the cushiest schedule every year that have for the past 20 years. I’m out

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    Why don’t you take a look at the Patriots winning percentage against the four NFC divisions over the past 20 years and get back to us. Let me help you:

    NFC North .850
    NFC East .812
    AFC North .806
    AFC East .794
    AFC South 787
    NFC South .750
    AFC West .647
    NFC West .667

  39. 14. Eagles (4-4; No. 15): If the Eagles would play as well as they do with their backs against the wall when their backs aren’t against the wall, their backs would never be against the wall.

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    they’re back were against the wall vs Dallas a couple of Sundays ago and they got flat out bullied.

  40. Chiefs only lose when PM is injured….nothing else to debate about that…easily undefeated with a healthy Mahomes.

  41. rankings shmankings, the guy doing the rankings does football gossip well, doesn’t know football though, he’s just fan, nowhere near an expert.

  42. The Patriots can win with anyone at QB and have, the Packers are nothing without Rodgers. Swap Brady and Rodgers over there careers and the Pats wouldn’t lose a Superbowl and the Packers would get maybe 1.

    It is a team game and Rodgers has had 1 solid team around him where he hasn’t had to do it all. Brady has benefitted from Belicheck and his greatness.

    Rodgers>Brady

    Brady is a system QB.

    So by that stupid logic Drew Brees is just a “system QB”
    They just went undefeated without him.

    BB has NOTHING to do with the offense
    If BB retired today the offense would look EXACTLY the same.
    BB has recently said the Offense game plan and play calling is ALL jJosh McDaniels.

    The Brady is a “system QB” is an ignorant comment

  43. The Patriots can win with anyone at QB and have, the Packers are nothing without Rodgers. Swap Brady and Rodgers over there careers and the Pats wouldn’t lose a Superbowl and the Packers would get maybe 1.

    It is a team game and Rodgers has had 1 solid team around him where he hasn’t had to do it all. Brady has benefitted from Belicheck and his greatness.

    Rodgers>Brady

    Brady is a system QB.
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    Actually they haven’t won a Super Bowl with any other QB

    And it’s nice to know Aaron Rodgers doesn’t play in a system but Brady does. What does he do, draw plays up in the dirt?

  44. packmad1 says:
    October 29, 2019 at 1:12 pm

    The Patriots can win with anyone at QB and have, the Packers are nothing without Rodgers. Swap Brady and Rodgers over there careers and the Pats wouldn’t lose a Superbowl and the Packers would get maybe 1.

    It is a team game and Rodgers has had 1 solid team around him where he hasn’t had to do it all. Brady has benefitted from Belicheck and his greatness.

    Rodgers>Brady

    Brady is a system QB.

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    The Patriots cannot win with any quarterback. How do you think Brady was named the starter over Drew Bledsoe in 2001? Jason Stidham threw a pick-6 against the Jets in only three pass attempts a few weeks ago. Is Rodgers overrated for Matt Flynn throwing 6 touchdown passes and passing for about 480 yards in a single game when Rodgers was injured? He threw 4 touchdowns against the Cowboys as well. No backup quarterback in New England has ever had a game like that when Brady was injured, and Brady had Randy Moss back in 2007.

    Rodgers has thrown 4 touchdowns to 3 interceptions in career NFC championship games, has as many game-winning drives as Alex Smith and Joe Theismann, and has as many 4th quarter comebacks as Cam Newton and Jim Harbaugh. Is Drew Brees an overrated system quarterback for the Saints going 5-0 without him? Rodgers eats up the salary cap, and he’s constantly getting injured. Heck, Brady is the 5th most sacked quarterback of all time. There is no way the Patriots would have made it to nearly as many super bowls with Rodgers.

  45. wap Brady and Rodgers over there careers and the Pats wouldn’t lose a Superbowl and the Packers would get maybe 1.


    That’s right the Patriots wouldn’t lose a Super Bowl with Rodgers because they probably wouldn’t even get to one.

  46. Ravens (5-2; No. 5): The Ravens can go from playoff contender to Super Bowl contender on Sunday night.

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    They already are a Super Bowl contender because they are leading their division and are tracking for a 2nd seed. The outcome of Sunday night doesn’t really change that much.

    If the Ravens win the narrative will be how the Patriots haven’t played anyone and the Ravens are the best team in the AFC. If the Patriots lose the narrative will be that the Patriots still haven’t played anyone as the Ravens lost to the Browns and they must not be that good.

    The reality is that the season is still young in either case. Long way to go. Since 1972 no team has gone undefeated, so a few losses are inevitable.

  47. nflhofcounts says:
    October 29, 2019 at 2:25 pm
    Chiefs only lose when PM is injured….nothing else to debate about that…easily undefeated with a healthy Mahomes.


    Mahomes is still 0-2 in games that matter. 🙂

    Maybe he should try not to get shut out in the first half at home in a conference championship game and he’ll have better luck getting that elusive first such win. 😀

  48. Patriots dominate all other divisions like they do the AFC East. Put them in another division and it would be no different.

    #FactsAreFacts
    #TruthIsTruth
    #TruthHurts
    #PatriotHaterCantHandleTheTruth

  49. Ravens (5-2; No. 5): The Ravens can go from playoff contender to Super Bowl contender on Sunday night.


    Even if they win on Sunday they’re not a Super Bowl contender. They’re the best of a putrid AFC North division but not much more than that. Don’t have the defense or the QB to get out of the AFC.

  50. There is no way the Patriots would have made it to nearly as many super bowls with Rodgers.
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    I’d put my money on zero.

  51. nflhofcounts says:
    October 29, 2019 at 2:25 pm
    Chiefs only lose when PM is injured….nothing else to debate about that…easily undefeated with a healthy Mahomes.

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    Then how is Mahommes already 0-2 versus the Patriots?

  52. Some people like to talk about Rodgers not having a defense. However, this is greatly exaggerated. His defense forced five turnovers against the Seahawks in the 2014 NFC championship game, but the offense failed to score more points. Russell Wilson threw four interceptions in that game. He also threw 0 touchdowns to 2 interceptions against the Bears in the 2010 NFC championship game. In that season, his team was winning or losing games 10-3, 16-13, 21-16, 21-14, 9-0, 7-3, and 20-17. That’s called having a defense.

    His scoring defense was ranked second that season with A.J. Hawk, Clay Matthews, Nick Collins, Tramon Williams, Charles Woodson, and other players. Brady has never lost a game after his defense forced five turnovers. Not one. In 2012, Rodgers’ scoring defense was ranked 11th right behind the Patriots’ defense. In 2009, his scoring defense ranked 7th, while the Patriots’ ranked 5th. It’s not like he has never had good defenses and talented players.

  53. Difference between the Saints and 49ers. Look what happened to the 49ers last season when Goropollo went down. Now compare that to what happened to the Saints when they lost Brees, Kamara AND Cook.

    WHO DAT

  54. I’d rank the Seahawks below the Rams. They are the Boise St. of the NFL. Seattle absolutely stinks against good teams and they can’t even play a full game against tankers.

  55. Flash1287 says:
    October 29, 2019 at 2:43 pm

    The Patriots can win with anyone at QB and have, the Packers are nothing without Rodgers. Swap Brady and Rodgers over there careers and the Pats wouldn’t lose a Superbowl and the Packers would get maybe 1.

    It is a team game and Rodgers has had 1 solid team around him where he hasn’t had to do it all. Brady has benefitted from Belicheck and his greatness.

    Rodgers>Brady

    Brady is a system QB.
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    All anyone has to do is lookup Belichick’s record before Brady & after having Brady as a starter. There is no comparison. Before Brady, Belichick was a losing head coach & after he has been a multiple time super bowl winning head coach.

  56. My favorite teams are the Vikings and whoever plays the Packers and Patriots. (By the way, and just to be fair, I think Aaron Rodgers is the best QB I ever saw. I wish my Vikings had him.)

  57. ==
    All anyone has to do is lookup Belichick’s record before Brady & after having Brady as a starter. There is no comparison. Before Brady, Belichick was a losing head coach & after he has been a multiple time super bowl winning head coach.
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    Eh… his Cleveland stint isn’t really on him. He built a team that was ready to contend before Modell pulled the plug.

  58. ==============================
    All anyone has to do is lookup Belichick’s record before Brady & after having Brady as a starter. There is no comparison. Before Brady, Belichick was a losing head coach & after he has been a multiple time super bowl winning head coach.

    Not only that but his record in NE WITHOUT Brady is
    19-19 zero playoffs
    Zero SB

    That’s not to discredit BB. He’s still the best coach in the NFL

    Bill Walsh was 8-24 before he had Montana

    But you need both

  59. SaintsGotRobbed says:
    October 29, 2019 at 3:29 pm
    Difference between the Saints and 49ers. Look what happened to the 49ers last season when Goropollo went down. Now compare that to what happened to the Saints when they lost Brees, Kamara AND Cook.

    WHO DAT

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    Props to the Saints for being a great team and still killing it after Brees went down but what you’re saying really makes no sense. You’re comparing LAST year’s Niners to THIS year’s Saints. Between then and now, the Niners have drastically improved. Got healthy, FA pickups, good drafting, etc etc. So, not really sure what you’re saying here.

  60. diveleft says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:56 pm
    tokyosandblaster says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    The Vikings sure showed how dominant they were over the worst NFC team last week. Washington has notable weapons on offense and defense, and wound up playing Dwayne “I never should have been drafted” Haskins. Wait… on not one of those statements is true.

    ÷÷÷÷÷÷

    And yet your precious team needed the officials to gift wrap a win against the Vikings. At home nonetheless.

    +++++++

    And not one, but 2 phantom hands-to-the-face penalties to keep drives alive vs. the Lions AT Lamebeau, and GB barely squeaked out a win.

    And of course the Cheesers are all pounding their chests after beating a MVP/Mahomes-less Chiefs team.

  61. Saints are so deep everywhere that most of their 2nd and 3rd string skill positions are better than 70% of the league’s starters.

  62. Flash1287 says:
    October 29, 2019 at 4:42 pm

    ==============================
    All anyone has to do is lookup Belichick’s record before Brady & after having Brady as a starter. There is no comparison. Before Brady, Belichick was a losing head coach & after he has been a multiple time super bowl winning head coach.

    Not only that but his record in NE WITHOUT Brady is
    19-19 zero playoffs
    Zero SB

    That’s not to discredit BB. He’s still the best coach in the NFL

    Bill Walsh was 8-24 before he had Montana

    But you need both
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    Bill Walsh took over the worst team in football at the time, Belichick didn’t.
    How do you actually know Belichick is the best though? Everything he has done as a head coach is tied to one player. Was Erick Spoelstra the best head coach in the NBA or did he go to 4 straight finals because he had Lebron? Same goes for Phil Jackson, was he the best coach of all-time or is it because he had the best 2 players in the entire NBA for 2 different teams? The answer should be obvious.

  63. Don’t know how the Patriots and 49ers are 1 and 2. Ridiculous. The combined record of the teams NE has played thru week 8 is 14-42. SF opponents are a combined 16-35. They’ve played CREAMPUFFS all year and that makes them the best two teams? They haven’t played anyone that’s barely any good.

    Next up on the schedule for NE and SF: Girl Scout Troop 471.

    When either of those two teams face an ACTUAL, PROFESSIONAL team they’re going to lose big.

  64. SaintsGotRobbed says:
    October 29, 2019 at 3:29 pm
    Difference between the Saints and 49ers. Look what happened to the 49ers last season when Goropollo went down. Now compare that to what happened to the Saints when they lost Brees, Kamara AND Cook.

    WHO DAT

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    Props to the Saints for being a great team and still killing it after Brees went down but what you’re saying really makes no sense. You’re comparing LAST year’s Niners to THIS year’s Saints. Between then and now, the Niners have drastically improved. Got healthy, FA pickups, good drafting, etc etc. So, not really sure what you’re saying here.

    So you’re saying that if Goropollo had gone down again in week 2 of this season, you’d still be 7-0? Is that what you’re saying? What about Goropollo, Breida and the tight end? What I’m saying is few teams, if any, are as deep as the Saints. Their 3rd string QB is better than many starting QBs in the league. They have the best defensive line in the league. The best kicking game in the league, etc. I guess we’ll find out soon enough…December in the superdome will tell the tale.

  65. The Bills might get lucky and sneak into the playoff because of a really easy schedule so far.

    The teams the Bills have beat are a combined 7-31 so far this year. If you take out the 4-4 Titans the Bills have beat teams with a combined record of 3-27 on the season. Their strength of victory is the lowest in the AFC at .189

  66. I see another delusional Patriot fan is chimed in on my take ..again you just don’t get it. The entire point is if the Patriots were in the NFC in a tough division let’s say NFC North and had to play those teams two times every year not once every four years. Get it. Understand what I’m talkin about yet? No of course you don’t because you’re delusional and you never will

  67. bservantfan says:
    October 29, 2019 at 5:12 pm
    I see another delusional Patriot fan is chimed in on my take ..again you just don’t get it. The entire point is if the Patriots were in the NFC in a tough division let’s say NFC North and had to play those teams two times every year not once every four years. Get it. Understand what I’m talkin about yet? No of course you don’t because you’re delusional and you never will

    OMG It doesn’t matter!!

    They aren’t in another division
    All you’re
    doing is making excuses

    And you don’t know if what you say is right.
    BB builds his roster each year based on the opponents
    So to say IF they were in this division they would be whatever
    Is DUMB

  68. —-
    Bill Walsh took over the worst team in football at the time, Belichick didn’t.
    How do you actually know Belichick is the best though? Everything he has done as a head coach is tied to one player. Was Erick Spoelstra the best head coach in the NBA or did he go to 4 straight finals because he had Lebron? Same goes for Phil Jackson, was he the best coach of all-time or is it because he had the best 2 players in the entire NBA for 2 different teams? The answer should be obvious.

    BB took over. Patriots team that went 5-11 his first year and started the next season 0-2

    Insert Brady they go 11-3 and win the SB

  69. > the 2010 NFC championship game. In that season, his team was winning or losing games 10-3, 16-13, 21-16, 21-14, 9-0, 7-3, and 20-17. That’s called having a defense.

    And like I stated earlier, that is the one year they had a top 10 defense, and they won the Super Bowl.

    Did you know that Rodgers has only 4 INTs since the 2017 season ended, and all 4 were passes that hit his intended receiver first?

    I know Pats fans are sensitive about Brady, and he is great, but we’ll stick with Rodgers.

  70. Bill Walsh took over the worst team in football at the time, Belichick didn’t.
    How do you actually know Belichick is the best though? Everything he has done as a head coach is tied to one player. Was Erick Spoelstra the best head coach in the NBA or did he go to 4 straight finals because he had Lebron? Same goes for Phil Jackson, was he the best coach of all-time or is it because he had the best 2 players in the entire NBA for 2 different teams? The answer should be obvious.

    ___

    The best comparisons you can give are from a completely different sport? Horrible comparison. Find some football references, not basketball. The two don’t correlate.

  71. californianewton says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:52 pm
    A Frisco fan’s power ranking

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    Clearly you don’t qualify as a Niner fan because you obviously don’t understand that the term “Frisco” is hated by anyone that is from the San Francisco Bay Area. So thank you for jumping on the Niner bandwagon this year but please go away.

  72. SaintsGotRobbed says:
    October 29, 2019 at 5:05 pm
    SaintsGotRobbed says:
    October 29, 2019 at 3:29 pm
    Difference between the Saints and 49ers. Look what happened to the 49ers last season when Goropollo went down. Now compare that to what happened to the Saints when they lost Brees, Kamara AND Cook.

    WHO DAT

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    Props to the Saints for being a great team and still killing it after Brees went down but what you’re saying really makes no sense. You’re comparing LAST year’s Niners to THIS year’s Saints. Between then and now, the Niners have drastically improved. Got healthy, FA pickups, good drafting, etc etc. So, not really sure what you’re saying here.

    So you’re saying that if Goropollo had gone down again in week 2 of this season, you’d still be 7-0? Is that what you’re saying? What about Goropollo, Breida and the tight end? What I’m saying is few teams, if any, are as deep as the Saints. Their 3rd string QB is better than many starting QBs in the league. They have the best defensive line in the league. The best kicking game in the league, etc. I guess we’ll find out soon enough…December in the superdome will tell the tale.

    —–

    The answer is I don’t know. It’s a purely hypothetical situation. Hopefully it won’t happen. And I’m sorry Brees and crew had to deal with it. We’ve dealt with (and are still dealing with) our own injuries. Our #1 and #2 OTs have been out for a month or so, yet our O line has been playing great with our #4 and 5. We’ve still been rushing an average of 170+ yards. Breida was out the majority of Sunday’s game and they still rushed around 225 yds. As for the Saints having the best D line, I just don’t agree. The niners and saints defenses are pretty close but the niners have the edge currently. Look at the numbers. At the end of the day, you don’t have to denigrate the niners for the saints to be good. Both are great teams. Either way, that’ll be a great game for sure.

  73. San Fran and NE are top teams. Yeah they played mediocre comp, but have walked through them. That’s what good teams do.

  74. djvh2 says:
    October 29, 2019 at 5:54 pm
    > the 2010 NFC championship game. In that season, his team was winning or losing games 10-3, 16-13, 21-16, 21-14, 9-0, 7-3, and 20-17. That’s called having a defense.

    And like I stated earlier, that is the one year they had a top 10 defense, and they won the Super Bowl.

    Did you know that Rodgers has only 4 INTs since the 2017 season ended, and all 4 were passes that hit his intended receiver first?

    I know Pats fans are sensitive about Brady, and he is great, but we’ll stick with Rodgers

    Can’t we just say they are Both GREAT??

  75. I’m proud of my team but enough of a fan to appreciate what the Niners have accomplished this year thus far. Kudos to John Lynch – he was getting fried (ignoring the obvious pun) but he is clearly building a talented team on both sides of the ball. I’m skeptical as to how Garoppolo will fare the rest of the season, but tbh I haven’t watched enough of their games to predict. Come to NOLA, have a great time, and let’s have a great game!

    PS – I remember when Coach Payton was the whiz kid. He’s learned a lot, taken a few lumps, and is better at 56 then at 43 when he started here. I wonder if some of these kid coaches will have the same staying power and long term success…

  76. nflhofcounts says:
    October 29, 2019 at 1:43 pm
    Niners D was a big surprise this year, and solely responsible for all 7 wins. Jimmy G is a 2nd round pick throwing interceptions and making terrible errors every week. This won’t work against front line teams who are every bit as good on D, but actually have a legit offence. Niners = Raiders at best.
    ==================================
    Tell that to every single team that they’ve owned so far this year. Only reason Pittsburgh was within 4 was 5 SF turnovers.

    Raiders at best are a 3 win team. See: their record

  77. war27 says:

    The Bills might get lucky and sneak into the playoff because of a really easy schedule so far.

    The teams the Bills have beat are a combined 7-31 so far this year. If you take out the 4-4 Titans the Bills have beat teams with a combined record of 3-27 on the season. Their strength of victory is the lowest in the AFC at .189
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    I didn’t know the NFL “took out” teams when playoff seedings are calculated. Taking out teams is part of the tie breaker formula? Who knew. If we “take out” the Chiefs, Vikings, Packers and Texans from the Raiders schedule they’re 3-0. So what.

    The Bills beat NFL teams that were on their schedule, which is what the game is all about. Tired of fans complaining about a teams strength of schedule. Teams don’t get preferential treatment from the league when schedules come out b/c they’re based on a divisional formula that repeats year after year after year.

  78. So, from what I keep reading here: Rodgers is better than Brady, but its just that the rest of Packers have held him back? Team, coaching, defense? They are just no good. If they had been up to snuff, Rodgers would have won multiple SB’s? Is that correct?

  79. It does matter it does matter you just missed the point so will respectfully disagree because Patriots fans never! See any other perspective believe me I live 50 miles from Gillette Stadium

  80. The point being the Bills haven’t beat anyone and could be terribly over rated. They might even make the playoffs because of it.

    I’m just pointing out that a team PFT ranks #8 because of their record and nothing else might not be a real #8 team. 12th-16th maybe at best. Appalachian State is currently #20 in the country at 7-0. They are all the way up to 20th because they are 7-0. They are also way down at #20 because they haven’t beaten anyone worthwhile.

  81. > So, from what I keep reading here: Rodgers is better than Brady, but its just that the rest of Packers have held him back? Team, coaching, defense? They are just no good. If they had been up to snuff, Rodgers would have won multiple SB’s? Is that correct?

    Yes, that is correct. It seems pretty obvious that McCarthy held him and the whole team back. He’s probably still wondering where Aaron Jones came from and muttering to himself that he will commit to the running game some day.

    In case there’s any doubt, Belichick > McCarthy.

  82. observantfan says:
    October 29, 2019 at 6:54 pm
    It does matter it does matter you just missed the point so will respectfully disagree because Patriots fans never! See any other perspective believe me I live 50 miles from Gillette Stadium

    Oh well since you only live 50 miles from the stadium
    Then you MUST know what you’re talking about

    Christ!!!

  83. Nobody has to rank us 1 or admit that they fear playing the Saints…but we are and they do. The fact that cook and kamara will be back should be a concern, but saints fans know that we actually lost a beat at lb when anzalone went to ir…if he gets designated to return, look out, because him and double d in nickel make this defense much more deadly!

  84. Whether the 49ers are better than the Patriots or not, you know the Patriots would prevail head to head. Belichick knows Kyle Shanahan and Jimmy G all too well.

  85. observantfan says:
    October 29, 2019 at 6:54 pm

    It does matter it does matter you just missed the point so will respectfully disagree because Patriots fans never! See any other perspective believe me I live 50 miles from Gillette Stadium
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    If proximity to Gillette equates with knowledge all things football and the Patriots then I know more than you b/c I only live 40 miles away in Worcester. Plus I stayed in a Holiday Inn last night so I know much more than you do, today anyways.

  86. So which teams are the good teams?

    Is it New England, bc from what I hear, they haven’t played anyone good.

    Is it the 49ers, bc I’m told they haven’t played anyone good either.

    Is it Green Bay? LOL. They lost to Philadelphia. They Kansas City without Mahomes. They beat a Dallas team that lost to the Jets to cap a 3 game losing streak. They are in the NC North (enough said) and play the AFC West.

    Is it Indianapolis? Seriously. The team that until this past weekend, when they eked by Denver at home, could not beat a bad team.

    That leaves us with the Saints, Seahawks, and maybe the Vikings. Does anyone truly believe one of these three teams is going to win the Super Bowl?

  87. observantfan says:
    October 29, 2019 at 6:54 pm
    It does matter it does matter you just missed the point so will respectfully disagree because Patriots fans never! See any other perspective believe me I live 50 miles from Gillette Stadium
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    I live over 1500 miles from Gillette Stadium, and I have lived over 1500 miles from Foxborough since this Patriots dynasty started, and my crystal clear perspective is that the Patriots would have been the Greatest NFL Dynasty of All-Time no matter what division they had played in during this millennium.

  88. Minshew better than Nick Foles…what are you smoking! When I was at the HoF I saw 2 displays with Nick Foles. Nick Foles a backup…please!

  89. tokyosandblaster says:
    October 29, 2019 at 12:27 pm
    The Vikings sure showed how dominant they were over the worst NFC team last week. Washington has notable weapons on offense and defense, and wound up playing Dwayne “I never should have been drafted” Haskins. Wait… on not one of those statements is true.

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    Who cares? It’s a Thursday night game. Teams never play at their best on Thursday. Did the Packers play well on theirs, did they win against a injury depleated Eagles team at home? Nope. Also as bad as the Redskins are, Keenum played for the Vikings and know their defense, so that is an advantage regardless of how inferior the opponent is. The game would have been a blow out if Diggs didn’t fumble, and 2 offensive lineman holding penalties didn’t stall red zone drives. A win is a win. You need to spend less time picking on the vikings. They are playing good football weather you like it or not and just one win behind your squad.

  90. > The game would have been a blow out if Diggs didn’t fumble, and 2 offensive lineman holding penalties didn’t stall red zone drives.

    And the Vikings would’ve won a Super Bowl if they didn’t lose all four of them

  91. I love it I love it come on Patriots fans bring it. You know as well as I do when Brady leaves they’re done! He and he alone is the reason why they’re winning and Belichick will be exposed as the phony that he is. Riding Brady’s coattails this whole time. Belichick is not only not the best coach of all time he’s barely in the top five. My goodness you Patriot fans are something

  92. djvh2 says:
    October 30, 2019 at 11:33 am

    > The game would have been a blow out if Diggs didn’t fumble, and 2 offensive lineman holding penalties didn’t stall red zone drives.

    And the Vikings would’ve won a Super Bowl if they didn’t lose all four of them
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    Ancient history dude, try harder next time

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