Tomlin on Steelers-Browns fight: I don’t know that we did anything to cause it

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After Thursday night’s loss to the Browns, Steelers coach Mike Tomlin declined to discuss the melee that broke out late in the fourth quarter but he had a little more to say about it at a Tuesday press conference.

Tomlin called the fight “ugly for the game of football” and that the Steelers “accept responsibility for our actions” during the fracas. Tomlin didn’t detail those actions because “we have some people going through appeals” this week.

Steelers center Maurkice Pouncey was suspended three games for kicking and punching Browns defensive end Myles Garrett after Garrett hit Steelers quarterback Mason Rudolph in the head with the helmet he’d been wearing before Garrett tore it off. Garrett has been suspended for at least the rest of the regular season and Browns defensive end Larry Ogunjobi was suspended for one game for hitting Rudolph from behind during the incident.

All three players are appealing their suspensions and many others are expected to be fined. That group includes Rudolph, who tried to rip Garrett’s helmet off earlier in the fight and who some thought should have been suspended for sparking the melee. Tomlin didn’t specifically respond to that, but it didn’t sound like he agrees with that stance when asked what the Steelers might learn from what went on last Thursday.

“I don’t know that we did anything to make it happen anyway in the first place. That’s why I said we didn’t have anything to learn from it,” Tomlin said.

The Steelers will learn whether Pouncey’s penalty is altered at all at some point this week, but it is a good bet that he’s not going to have the penalty entirely wiped out so the Steelers will need other plans in Cincinnati this weekend.

126 responses to “Tomlin on Steelers-Browns fight: I don’t know that we did anything to cause it

  1. Mason started it (trying to rip off his helmet and kick him in the groin) and should get the same punishment Myles gets.

  2. Garrett was absolutely wrong for what he did, but it’s ludicrous for Tomlin to say “I don’t know that we did anything to make it happen anyway in the first place”. He has no idea what was said on the field.

  3. The shallow end of the gene pool will soon be emptying their thoughts on here about those terrible Steelers…..yawn. Tomlin is correct after all two players got concussed with only one expected…….Steelers got cheap spotted.

  4. So by Tomlin’s logic Garrett had planned all along to rip Rudoph’s helmet off and smash him with it? No one believes what Garrett did is acceptable, but please stop with victim bit.

  5. How about some accountability? Next sack have Mason attempt to tear off a D-lineman’s helmet. It worked once see if it works again.

  6. I guess Tomlin didn’t know that the whole thing was aired on a relatively new invention called television. And along with that invention came the ability to record images which showed his QB trying to rip Garrett’s helmet off, reach into his facemask and poke him in the eyes, and kick him at least twice in the groin.

  7. You are to blame Tomlin. Why are you still putting your only QB in jeopardy, 3 and 23, 22 seconds left, down 14 points, no timeouts, from your 10 yard line? How about take a knee, shake hands and we’ll see you in 17 days. NO reason to run a play there except ego. Losing by 7 looks better than 14?

  8. Here Mike, let me fix this for you: “We were frustrated at the end of a tough game where we were outsmarted and outmuscled. Mason shouldn’t have tussled with Myles Garrett, but Garrett’s retaliation was far beyond anything we can tolerate on the field. Moving forward we’ll focus on managing our composure and being professional.”

    But he’s not gonna say that because he’s a guy who literally tried to trip an opposing player running down the sideline

  9. Mason did try to rip off Myles helmet first. No excuse for what Myles did at all, but it isn’t a coincidence that the Steelers seem to be involved in this stuff as much or more than any other team.

  10. Everyone saying Mason started it…

    First of all, that’s an excuse that second graders make. And if you really want to make that argument, it was Miles who dragged Mason to the ground and landed on top of him well after the play (and the game itself) was more than over.

  11. For those who say Rudolph “started it”, ask yourselves this: Browns are up 14 with under 10 seconds left in the game… the Steelers can’t even tie the game, even if the last throw becomes a touchdown… so why did Garrett feel the need to blast Rudolph on the play? It was a completely unnecessary hit on the QB, when most D-linemen would just smack the QB on the butt and say “Nice game, bro”. If that happens, Rudolph probably pats Garrett on the shoulder pads and says “See ya in 2 weeks!” and they both chuckle. Rudolph was mad because of the way Garrett hit him. THAT is what started it – and that’s why Tomlin said the Steelers did nothing to cause it.

  12. I’m not getting into the whole who started or didn’t start it discussion again. However, if Tomlin actually made that statement, and in that context, it ranks high on my list as one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever heard. How could anyone say they learned nothing from the incident? SMH

  13. No one in life wants to take personal responsibility for their actions anymore. The video only tells me 75% of the story, and it’s the other 25% that I honestly have no clue about. But I’ve listened to enough talk from current and former pros to think that this isn’t a one sided affair. I mean, was Rudolph trash talking when barking out signals on every play during the game? Was he doing something to egg on the Cleveland defense all game, that Garrett figured that this was his chance to end this thing, and not in a good way. I mean, what causes Garrett to go nuts with 8 seconds left in a game that was already decided. And for that matter, why is Mike Tomlin still throwing meaningless screen passes on this play? You’ve lost the game; why not just run the ball up the middle and end the game and accept defeat like a man?

    Maybe that’s it – Pittsburgh just being Pittsburgh and constantly needling the opponent in 1,001 little ways that are outside of the norm for most teams.

    But own it Tomlin. If your players made mistakes, own it. Sure, Myles Garrett should never play another game in the NFL, but I think Mason Rudolph surely has some explaining to do beyond speaking that BS through his agent/lawyer.

  14. I guess Tomlin didn’t know that the whole thing was aired on a relatively new invention called television. And along with that invention came the ability to record images which showed his QB trying to rip Garrett’s helmet off, reach into his facemask and poke him in the eyes, and kick him at least twice in the groin.

    You seem to have forgotten how Ben had his nose broken in a game against the Ravens with no penalty called. You need to stop with the hypocritical trolling.

    Tomlin is indirectly saying Garrett is getting what he deserved and not get in trouble because he feels that Garrett’s deserves a good beating.

  15. Give him a break. He probably stopped watching the Steelers offense around the 3rd quarter when everyone else did so He probably found out about the fight during the post game press conference. I mean the Steelers did leave the field before the game was even over and had to be brought back out.

  16. Drooly is nothing but a copy and paste jerk that lives to insult people. If an original thought ever entered his head it would die of loneliness

  17. Seeing all the people here saying Rudolph started it and therefore should get the same punishment as Garrett reminds of the people who blame the victim for dressing in revealing clothes before she was raped.

  18. riggo08 says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:24 pm
    Garrett was absolutely wrong for what he did, but it’s ludicrous for Tomlin to say “I don’t know that we did anything to make it happen anyway in the first place”. He has no idea what was said on the field.
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    Think about that for a minute. You admit Tomlin “has no idea what was said on the field” but in the sentence before you take him to task for not knowing, smdh. I’m no Tomlin fan but between his no comment after the game and and this statement with appeals pending I think he’s handled this about as well as he could short of saying “We’re on to…”

  19. People saying Rudolph started in are idiots. He was hit 2 seconds after ball was thrown and Garrett would not get off. I guess these same people want a 275lb man on top of them also!

  20. Really? Ok then after the initial confrontation happened, twisting Garrett’s helmet side-to-side, kicking him in the groin, why didn’t someone from the Steelers or refs walk Rudolph towards the sidelines? You had two OL dealing with Garrett. Rudolph was allowed to get back in the fray, and where it was 3 on 1.

  21. Let’s see what you do when a 300 lb man hits you late and lands on top of you. You do whatever you can to get him off of you and he would deserve it.

  22. All u people need to go see an eye doctor .bunch of blind bats watching football games. The player who started it was the criminal Myles Garrett who was roughing the passer. Hit the qb after he released the ball, bear hugged Rudolph to the ground and wouldn’t get up when he was on top of Rudolph. If Rudolph gets fined, it should be a very minimal amount less than $9000.

  23. Good grief, don’t people have eyes?
    Rudolph didn’t grab Garrett’s face mask for no reason. Like Chunk Life said above, Garrett held onto Rudolph long after the ball was released and dropped his full weight on Rudolph and continued to hold on. THAT is why Rudolph grabbed his face mask, and further mayhem ensued.

    Recent rule changes re landing with the full body weight on the QB could have justified a flag on Garrett just for that. Rudolph grabbed the helmet for a reason.

  24. I really could care less about both teams but the initial action of Garrett throwing the QB to the ground about 3 seconds after he had already threw the ball seems to be the catalyst that sparked the brawl. If Garrett doesn’t cheap shot the QB then Rudolph doesn’t try anything and then there is no brawl. Simple root cause analysis folks.

  25. So Garrett started it by making a play that happens a LOT in football…and a LOT for Mason Rudolph with no flag being thrown in a league where they throw flags if you breathe on a QB too hard.

    So Rudolph was justified in his multiple attempts to engage Garrett.

    Garrett is rightfully suspended for the year. But Rudolph should be. Then again, maybe he AND the Steelers are getting punished by allowing Rudolph to play.

    But keep playing the “steelers are the victim card” when you all cheered for YEARS James Harrison and Hines Ward cheap shotting their way through the NFL season.

  26. Steelers and Patriots are neck and neck as far as the most cheating franchises in the NFL. The Steelers have been doing it longer than NE.

  27. I don’t have a dog in this fight, not a fan of either team, but watching it on tv I felt that Garrett instigated the fight by hitting Rudolph late and driving him to the ground. With all the confusion, I’m not sure he was called for that, but should have been.

  28. cadreamer1969 says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:57 pm
    Tomlin has less integrity than a WWE ref.
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    Not a big Tomlin fan but he has acted professionally in this matter.

  29. How come no one, including newscasters make any mention of DeCastro spitting on Garrett’s face when he was holding him down? You can see a huge loogey on his face when he finally gets up.

  30. Maybe the NFL’s future will be like “The Jetsons”…
    2 human coaches each running a team full of robots.

  31. Mason started it (trying to rip off his helmet and kick him in the groin) and should get the same punishment Myles gets
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    I agree that Mason started it and should be punished, but it shouldn’t be as severe as Garret’s punishment. Garret could face jail time for attempted murder down the road.

  32. meadowlandssports says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    For those who say Rudolph “started it”, ask yourselves this: Browns are up 14 with under 10 seconds left in the game… the Steelers can’t even tie the game, even if the last throw becomes a touchdown… so why did Garrett feel the need to blast Rudolph on the play? It was a completely unnecessary hit on the QB
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    Have you every watched the Steelers play the Browns and Bengals before? There are about 2 decades worth of “completely unnecessary” hit on QBs by Steeler players. I don’t blame the Browns for wanting payback and taking a shot at a Steeler QB when possible and driving him into the ground.

    Having said that, what happened after the play was of course completely unacceptable.

  33. Everyone saying Mason started it…

    First of all, that’s an excuse that second graders make. And if you really want to make that argument, it was Miles who dragged Mason to the ground and landed on top of him well after the play (and the game itself) was more than over.
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    Self defense.

  34. Maybe Tomlin wasn’t in a good position to see what happened? Of course, had Cleveland been returning a kick, you can bet he’d be on the field.

  35. dirtydawg44 says:
    November 19, 2019 at 3:04 pm

    Steelers and Patriots are neck and neck as far as the most cheating franchises in the NFL. The Steelers have been doing it longer than NE.
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    Oh the drama! One of Al Davis’ mantras was “cheating is encouraged”. You just hate the Steelers and Patriots because they have a history of winning. Cheating when it’s a team you hate and gamesmanship when it’s a team you love. Phil was accused of piping in music last Sunday.

  36. OMG I feel for the Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, especially now that the video is out and you can see Mason starting the whole incident, then trying to jump punch Garret when he is being held up by his teammates!

  37. For those who say Rudolph “started it”, ask yourselves this: Browns are up 14 with under 10 seconds left in the game… the Steelers can’t even tie the game, even if the last throw becomes a touchdown… so why did Garrett feel the need to blast Rudolph on the play? It was a completely unnecessary hit on the QB, when most D-linemen would just smack the QB on the butt and say “Nice game, bro”. If that happens, Rudolph probably pats Garrett on the shoulder pads and says “See ya in 2 weeks!” and they both chuckle. Rudolph was mad because of the way Garrett hit him. THAT is what started it – and that’s why Tomlin said the Steelers did nothing to cause it.
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    As a browns fan, I agree. Garret was clearly mad about something and threw Mason to the ground well after he had thrown the ball. I was actually surprised roughing the passer was not called, especially with how often that penalty has been called this season.

  38. jerruhjones says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:21 pm

    Mason started it (trying to rip off his helmet and kick him in the groin) and should get the same punishment Myles gets.
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    Some guy 40lbs heavier than you has got you pinned to the ground and won’t let you up, when he wasn’t supposed to tackle you in the first place. You’re not going to do everything in your power to get him off of you? Really? The same punishment as a DL who rips off a helmet (not attempts to, actually does it) then smacks a QB on the head, with said helmet. The same punishment for those 2 offenses? Really? I can’t help you. No one can.

  39. Mason Garret should have been called for roughing the passer. He was still tackling Rudolph 4 seconds after the ball was out. Garret was frustrated that he didn’t get a sack in the game and probably knew TJ Watt passed him in sack totals.

  40. bobbydogood says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:56 pm

    Let’s see what you do when a 300 lb man hits you late and lands on top of you. You do whatever you can to get him off of you and he would deserve it.
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    Please watch the video and tell me at what point did Garrett land on top of Rudolph. I’ll be here waiting…

  41. meadowlandssports says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm

    … so why did Garrett feel the need to blast Rudolph on the play?
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    So the Steelers run a play and the Browns should be lining up to shake hands? Take a knee if you intend to surrender the play. Also don’t forget that taking a knee doesn’t mean the opposing team can’t try to defend. Just ask your boy Polamalu.

  42. Totally began with unnecessary play by Garrett. First reaction was Rudolph who was rightfully po’d about a crappy bush league tackle.

    Now Mr Tap Dance Pouncey deserves as much as Garrett. Kicking a player on the ground is as low as it gets.

  43. Totally began with unnecessary play by Garrett. First reaction was Rudolph who was rightfully po’d about a crappy bush league tackle.

    Now Mr Tap Dance Pouncey deserves as much as Garrett. Kicking a player on the ground is as low as it gets.

  44. Here is one thing you can learn from it: if an opposing player has ripped your helmet off your head, don’t chase after him; he may smack you in the head with your own helmet!

  45. It’s ingrained in me to despise the steelers but the comments that Rudolph attempted to “rip” or “tear” off Garretts helmet are laughable. Its not even possible the way he was laying on his back with Garret lying on top of him.
    As a Raven fan I was absolutely thrilled with the outcome of that game. I was hoping for a way for both teams to lose, and miraculously they were able to pull it off. Thank you!

  46. Drooly is nothing but a copy and paste jerk that lives to insult people. If an original thought ever entered his head it would die of loneliness

    And what exactly are you doing Teddy? Besides being stupid that is. So who wrote that little retort for ya because I know that little quip is way beyond your creativity level……must have been your mortician.

  47. its the same old thing on here . which ever team u root for u are on there side and the other team is to blame . i will give the Browns FO and HC credit for taking the high road . the same cant be said for the Pitt HC.

  48. And Colin Kaepernick does not believe he did anything to cause his unemployment.
    And Antonio Brown does not believe that he is a pain in the a$$
    And Vontaze Burfict does not believe he did anything to get suspended.
    And, so on and so on……..

  49. beckhamshoewatcher says:
    November 19, 2019 at 3:10 pm
    How come no one, including newscasters make any mention of DeCastro spitting on Garrett’s face ………
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    Uh, probably because it didn’t happen?? Had you watched Garrett’s locker room interview, he actually thanked DeCastro for trying to calm the situation down. So, I’m fairly certain had DeCastro spit in his face, he would have mentioned.

  50. Watch the video people. Garrett pulls Rudolph down on TOP of Garrett. They then roll over with Garrett on top and Rudolph’s right hand either holding or under Garretts face mask. That’s when Rudolph tries and pulls Garretts helmet off with his left hand. Garrett then grabs Rudolphs face mask and while attempting to stand up is kicked in the groin/upper thigh by Rudolph. Castro pulls Garrett away who now has Rudolph’s helmet in his hand after yanking it off his head while getting off the ground. The situation defused? NO because here comes boy wonder Rudolph racing over to try and reengage Garrett who is being corralled by an offensive lineman. That’s when Garrett swings the helmet popping wonder boy Rudolph in the head.

    Garrett absolutely deserves a suspension for hitting Rudolph with the helmet, however, for those (apparently Tomlin) who think Rudolph did nothing and was just a victim being picked on by a mean bully your only fooling yourself.

    As for the ridiculous tweets by James Harrisson calling this a crime, Rudolph would still be in the hospital on life support if he had pulled that crap with Harrisson. James Harrisson — quite the hypocrite

  51. That comment exemplifies the arrogance that tomlin and the 5-5 steelers culture. It’s never there fault, always somebody else. They have coaches running on the field to get into fights, hitting players on the sideline and the head coach ACTUALLY TRIED TO TRIP Jacoby Jones running for a PR touchdown. They are Trash but since the RAVENS are the KINGS OF THE NORTH, for now and probably until Tomlin is run out of Pittsburgh along with PIG BEN. We Ravens fans can just sit back and enjoy watching the train wreck! LAMARVALEOUS

  52. Drooly is nothing but a copy and paste jerk that lives to insult people. If an original thought ever entered his head it would die of loneliness

    A little late their Lying Teddy to win the irony award for today. After all aren’t you the guy who comes on Steeler threads to insult Pittsburg its fans and the Steelers…..? Think about that a second…….now go sit at the bar with your friend…..the empty glass placed next to you by the bartender so you wont feel alone.

  53. The funny thing is, you will never hear a Cleveland Browns fan say that Myles Garrett should not be suspended. However seems to me that every Steeler fan “front runner” i’ll say that Rudolph did nothing wrong. It’s unreal.

  54. Over the last few days, there have been some truly LOL comments regarding the fight. I’m surprised no one has mentioned Bigfoot and the Abominable Snowman getting in on the action. They were there, I saw it, “it’s all on tape.”

  55. Some of you who keep saying “Mason started it” “Got what he deserved” “Dishes it out, cant take it” and so forth need to check yourselves, big time. Players, push, shove, curse, grab each others facemask–you have all seen this before. This whole “poke the bear, get what you get” is just sorry upbringing. Garrett is not a horrible person, but what he did was as horrible as anything I have ever seen in 40 plus years of watching football, there is no defense, it had nothing to do with either players race and Rudolph could not have done anything to “deserve” that. Take your pathetic little street justice and keep it in the streets where cowards and babies pretend they are something they will never be–honorable, decent humans.

  56. Some people need to look at the replay again without fan glasses on. I just did, several times, in slow motion and I’m a fan of neither team. Garrett initiates contact with Rudolph as he’s releasing the ball. Garrett’s head is in Rudolph’s chest while Rudolph throws the ball side-arm around Garrett to his RB. Garrett, seemingly not knowing the ball is gone, takes the QB all the way to the ground, pulling Rudolph down and on top of himself. Garret tries to get up, causing the two to roll over so that Garret is on top, but can’t because Rudolph has a hold of his helmet and is pulling at it. Say what you want about what occurs after that, but those saying it was a late hit, that Garrett threw Rudolph to the ground, that Garrett landed on Rudolph with all of his body weight – all of which would elicit a penalty and there was none – are only seeing what they want to see, not what actually happened.

  57. Those equating what Rudolph did to what Garrett did are idiots. The two things were not even close. Had Garrett done NOTHING, Rudolph would still have earned nothing more than a fine. But, Garrett had to be a douche and use a helmet to hit Rudolph. I’m glad Pouncey did what he did to Garrett and wish he WASN’T wearing his helmet while on the receiving end of Pouncey’s kicks (which, admittedly are deserving of a suspension).

    Was Rudolph stupid going after Garrett? No. Garrett’s initial hit on the Rudolph should have been penalized. It was uncalled for at that juncture of the game. I would have no issue with Garrett using his own hands to hit Garrett if he felt the need to defend himself, but to swing a helmet and hit someone in the head with it is criminal.

    For the record, I’m a Bengals fan and hate both of these teams. But the Browns are wrong here.

    Also, Ogunjobi is a coward too. Way to sneak up behind a freaking quarterback who wasn’t looking at you and hit him. Real tough, fatty.

  58. People need to watch the video, actually watch it, maybe several times. Garrett did bring Rudolph down a few ticks after the ball was thrown. It was not a violent takedown and Garrett did not land on Rudolph. Rudolph did grab Garrett around the head, though little or no effort was made to remove the helmet. If there is a kick at the groin, it is not evident in the video. Garrett pulled Rudolph up by his helmet, the helmet came off. Garrett is pushed away by two Steelers. Rudolph heads for Garrett…if Garrett throws away the helmet at that point, both players are looking at a fine, slight chance of a suspension. I doubt either gets suspended because they do not have a history of violent altercations. Then Garrett loses his mind and hits Rudolph with the helmet.

    As with most fights, they both had their own part in starting it.

    As for Pouncey, he should be suspended, but if you watch the video, his punches landed squarely on Garrett’s helmet, and the only thing be kicked was the backside of a Browns player’s leg

    Time to move on and focus on football.

  59. I really believe Tomlin views it this way. A team like the Patriots that is in no way involved talks more about the events with their players than Tomlin does with his team. You want a great example of why the Steelers have been awful at situational football since Tomlin took over, here is an example.

  60. What started it was Rudolph still being mugged by Garrett while the QB was on the ground and way after the play was over. If Myles Garrett smartly saved/invested his NFL/endorsement money he’s financially secure for life. He’s now a pariah in the NFL and rightfully so.

  61. For those who say Rudolph “started it”, ask yourselves this: Browns are up 14 with under 10 seconds left in the game… the Steelers can’t even tie the game, even if the last throw becomes a touchdown… so why did Garrett feel the need to blast Rudolph on the play? It was a completely unnecessary hit on the QB, when most D-linemen would just smack the QB on the butt and say “Nice game, bro”. If that happens, Rudolph probably pats Garrett on the shoulder pads and says “See ya in 2 weeks!” and they both chuckle. Rudolph was mad because of the way Garrett hit him. THAT is what started it – and that’s why Tomlin said the Steelers did nothing to cause it.

    Did you even WATCH the last play? Everything you wrote here is just garbage. First, MG did not “hit” Rudolph. He wrapped him up and took him down. It was a 100% legal SACK. Then Rudolph, whose team is ALWAYS expected to beat the Browns, had ALL of the frustrations flood out from the FOUR sacks and FOUR INT’s and ONE TD scored the entire game by his team. It culminated in him try to forcibly RIP Garrett’s helmet off of his head while the chin strap was still attached. I keep saying this: Been watching football nearly FORTY years and have NEVER seen a QB try to rip the helmet off the head of somebody that just finished sacking him. And YET? Rudolph gets a pass….. a slap on the wrist. That is 100% wrong.

  62. Go and watch the video in slow motion (easily done on the internet)

    1. Myles had his face in Rudolph’s chest during the play, so there was no way he could see/know that the ball was released.

    2. The tackle was soft, which is why the ref who was standing right there didn’t flag it; he actually pulled Rudolph down onto his own body.

    3. Rudolph immediately went for Garrett’s face and tried to remove his helmet.

    4. DeCastro is standing right there with a clear view of it; he moves in, but doesn’t go after Myles — he simply tries to separate them — why? Because he can see clearly that Rudolph was the aggressor.

    5. Garrett returns and escalates the favor by actually removing Rudolph’s helmet.

    6. Rudolph kicks Garrett in the groin during that process.

    7. Once the helmet is in hand, Garrett allows himself to be restrained by DeCastro and begins backing away. The fracas is over right there, BUT FOR Rudolph dipping his shoulder and charging Garrett.

    8. Garrett is backing up when Rudolph charges him.

    9. Garrett loses his mind and swings the helmet, hitting Rudolph with the padded part. It is my opinion in that he did this intentionally — deep in his brain, he knew not to hit Rudolph with the crown of the helmet. He wasn’t actually trying to murder the guy, just pop him.

    10. Rudolph walks away uninjured.

    11. The optics are disastrous for Garrett, Rudolph, the Browns, the Steelers and the NFL.

    These are the facts, plus one of my opinions, as noted.

    Go review the tape.

  63. For once Pittsburgh was on the receiving end of “hardnosed Steelers football” and they didn’t seem to enjoy it very much.

  64. What film are people watching? I saw a legal QB hit with Garrett laying next to not on top of Rudolph. Then Rudolph starts trying to pry Garrett’s helmet off. I guess people see what they want to see. Fact of the matter is the normally bullying Steelers were manhandled the whole game, and it appears they can dish it out but can’t take it.

  65. You mean aside from the fact that Mason Rudolph started it by attempting to pull off Garrett’s helmet ?

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    Not entirely true, the play was long over and garret kept continuing the tackle, driving the QB into the ground more

  66. steelcurtainn says:
    November 19, 2019 at 5:02 pm
    You can blame Garrett for all this for trying to slam Mason into the ground. End of story!

    OK. It’s Garrett’s fault for “trying”. Lol!

  67. The NFL should add Tomlin’s name to the list of people to receive fines after saying something so ridiculous. Apparently he has informed his players that it is fine to kick opposing players in the groin and in the helmet if at any point in time Tomlin’s players may think that an opposing player might have done something wrong.

  68. afcnorth54 says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:31 pm
    How about some accountability? Next sack have Mason attempt to tear off a D-lineman’s helmet. It worked once see if it works again.
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    If that had been a legit sack by Garrett none of this happens. Pass was thrown and Garrett continued trying to pull Mason down to the ground.

  69. meadowlandssports says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm
    For those who say Rudolph “started it”, ask yourselves this: Browns are up 14 with under 10 seconds left in the game… the Steelers can’t even tie the game, even if the last throw becomes a touchdown… so why did Garrett feel the need to blast Rudolph on the play? It was a completely unnecessary hit on the QB, when most D-linemen would just smack the QB on the butt and say “Nice game, bro”. If that happens, Rudolph probably pats Garrett on the shoulder pads and says “See ya in 2 weeks!” and they both chuckle. Rudolph was mad because of the way Garrett hit him. THAT is what started it – and that’s why Tomlin said the Steelers did nothing to cause it.
    ………………………………..
    Good grief. Flip that thought. First, if I’m Garrett and the Browns, I don’t want your garbage losing game to end on some bright passing note before we play again. Why are you going after garbage yards when the game is over? Just take a knee/run a draw, quit screwing around, and take the L. . If Rudolph is going to try to get real yards after that travesty of a performance, I’m making sure that doesn’t happen.

    Rudolph was an absolute idiot in that scene. Garrett was doing what all DEs do in a rivalry game when the other team keeps screwing around trying to gain any momentum possible before next matchup. Rudolph was the yapper dog going after the Rottweiler. You get what you asked for.

  70. i just chuckle at the comments on this site. “But Mason Rudolph tried to pull off Garrets helmet, so he started it! he should get the same punishment!”

    OK! Sure, trying to take a helmet off somebody’s head is THE SAME AS SWINGING A HELMET AS A WEAPON at somebody’s head!

    Good grief. What is this 2nd grade? HE STARTED IT!

  71. Well the Steeler Haters are out tonight. Just look at all the posts. We won’t talk about Smith Schuster being concussed with three simultaneous helmet hits with no flag being called. And we won’t talk about Donte Johnson being knocked out which was called. And we won’t talk about Garrett breaking a quarterback’s leg earlier this year. And we won’t talk about the fact that Rudolph has been sacked twice before the play in question. Both Garrett and Rudolph lost their tempers and when that happens anything can happen. Just be grateful it wasn’t worse. But now do the Steelers have enough healthy players to put on the field to beat the Bengals?! As bad as it gets.

  72. riggo08 says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:24 pm

    Garrett was absolutely wrong for what he did, but it’s ludicrous for Tomlin to say “I don’t know that we did anything to make it happen anyway in the first place”. He has no idea what was said on the field.

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    You say Tomlin doesn’t know what was said on the field so he is correct in saying that he doesn’t know what started it, right?

  73. I was disappointed Rudolph didn’t get a suspension.

    Then I started to think about it and it made sense me. The punishment for Pittsburgh is to keep him on the field.

  74. Didn’t read through every comment so forgive me if this has been said but the first person that should be blamed is Tomlin! Why on earth, down 14 with 14 seconds to play and 3rd and a mile, does he even call a pass?! Run a draw then run to the locker room!

  75. Myles blew up Mason, than landed on him way after the play ( flag was thrown for unnecessary roughness ), but clowns want to blame Mason?

  76. I’d bet that the disproportionate 11-2-1 record Pittsburgh had over Cleveland prior to the game dating since Jimmy Haslam took over the team in October 2012 had a lot to do with it.

  77. As a Browns fan I will say Rodolph started it but completely independent of that (and somthing that is being overlooked) in all of this is the selfish act of Garrett going for the sack record with 5 seconds left. Its clear by his actions that individual stats are his priority. He hurt the team for an entire season and then some. Selfish. A complete opposite of Nick Chubb with his 998 yard season due to a clueless coach and not one mention of it privately or publicly.

  78. meadowlandssports says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:40 pm
    For those who say Rudolph “started it”, ask yourselves this: Browns are up 14 with under 10 seconds left in the game… the Steelers can’t even tie the game, even if the last throw becomes a touchdown… so why did Garrett feel the need to blast Rudolph on the play? It was a completely unnecessary hit on the QB, when most D-linemen would just smack the QB on the butt and say “Nice game, bro”. If that happens, Rudolph probably pats Garrett on the shoulder pads and says “See ya in 2 weeks!” and they both chuckle. Rudolph was mad because of the way Garrett hit him. THAT is what started it – and that’s why Tomlin said the Steelers did nothing to cause it.

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    If it is such a meaningless play. Don’t run it. Don’t drop back to pass. Are u saying the defense should let them gain whatever yards they want because of the score? Sounds like more of a problem with your coach than the play that took place. Any competitive person is going to still play and go after qb. What Myles ended up doing was really wrong but doesn’t excuse Rudolph from any accountability whatsoever.

  79. The most violent team wins. This is an attempt to set the stage for the next decade. There was a few years in the mid to late 80s when the Browns owned the Steelers, which just happened to be the same point in time when the Dawgs were invented by Hanford Dixon.

  80. Being down 21-0 throwing 4 interceptions might be the starting point… idk is 🤔🤷🏿‍♂️

  81. Vasteelerfan says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:28 pm
    The shallow end of the gene pool will soon be emptying their thoughts on here about those terrible Steelers…..yawn. Tomlin is correct after all two players got concussed with only one expected…….Steelers got cheap spotted.
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    They should have gotten the more expensive spots.

  82. sbdt says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:33 pm
    Here Mike, let me fix this for you: “We were frustrated at the end of a tough game where we were outsmarted and outmuscled. Mason shouldn’t have tussled with Myles Garrett, but Garrett’s retaliation was far beyond anything we can tolerate on the field. Moving forward we’ll focus on managing our composure and being professional.”

    But he’s not gonna say that because he’s a guy who literally tried to trip an opposing player running down the sideline
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    This was closer to what he should have said. But let me fix it by taking out the hidden dig…

    We were frustrated at the end of a tough game. Mason shouldn’t have tussled with Myles Garrett, but Garrett’s retaliation was far beyond anything we can tolerate on the field. Moving forward we’ll focus on managing our composure and being professional. Thats my final words on the topic. Do we have any questions about our upcoming opponent?”

    I was tempted to end it with “we are on to Cincinnatti” but well, you know..

  83. Did anyone stop to think maybe Garrett took him to the ground and laid on top of him BECAUSE the Steelers were running their hurry up offense, attempting passes, in a hopeless situation? Players do this all the time to slow the other team down when the clock is running out.
    Good luck in 2 weeks, Steelers. Browns had 4 sacks, none of them by Garrett, when you had Pouncey in the lineup.

  84. @Goldsteel-

    Pretty funny to hear a Steeler fan talking about hard / illegal hits. James Harrison was the poster child for that. Guessing you didn’t have any complaints when it was your player applying the hits. Browns just finally hit back.

  85. Boo hoo, he tackled me.. that’s all I am seeing. You don’t get to try and rip his helmet off for that, even if you felt it was late, which it wasn’t. Mason’s fault all the way.

  86. TribeOfOne says:
    November 20, 2019 at 8:50 am
    Boo hoo, he tackled me.. that’s all I am seeing. You don’t get to try and rip his helmet off for that, even if you felt it was late, which it wasn’t. Mason’s fault all the way.

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    What Rudolph did may have led to a skirmish, but c’mon man…..what Garret did was way over the top. He’s lucky he was not arrested for assault or worse.

  87. I guarantee the majority of non-browns fans saying that Rudolph started it did not watch a single second of this game. Browns were targeting players all night (knocked out johnson and ju ju. There was a lot of build up to this, and garrett excessive hit and behavior at the end was the cherry on top.

  88. “I don’t know that we did anything to cause it.” From that statement I can only surmise that you haven’t watch the tape. IT”S WEDNESDAY?!?!?! You have another game this weekend and you haven’t watched the tape yet?

    That does explain your record but it doesn’t explain how you still have a job.

  89. rayfla says:
    November 19, 2019 at 2:32 pm
    You are to blame Tomlin. Why are you still putting your only QB in jeopardy, 3 and 23, 22 seconds left, down 14 points, no timeouts, from your 10 yard line? How about take a knee, shake hands and we’ll see you in 17 days. NO reason to run a play there except ego. Losing by 7 looks better than 14?
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    That’s an underrated factor in the what led to the situation. If Tomlin wasn’t determined to squeeze every last play out of his offense in a game his team was going to lose, this never happens.

    The Steelers used their remaining 2 timeouts when the Browns were trying to run out the clock after the 2 minute warning. Pittsburgh got the ball back with 1:42 left, trailing by 14. It’s not crazy to imagine the Steelers scoring a quick TD, recovering the onside kick and having a chance to tie. They never got that quick score or big play, though. 3 short passes only gained 25 yards to their own 36. 2 straight sacks pushed them back almost 20 yards. At that point, with a running clock, the Steelers had no chance to win. It had been a chippy game, with injuries and ejections. On 3rd and 29, the smart play was to run the ball and let the clock run out. Not Tomlin, though. He calls another short pass where the receiver runs out of bounds and then a brawl breaks out. Garrett deserves his punishment, but if Tomlin wasn’t a sore loser, none of this happens.

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