Bill Belichick claims no knowledge of, no involvement in Spygate 2

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick reiterated on Tuesday morning that he has nothing to do with the incident at Sunday’s Bengals game in which a Patriots videographer was caught filming the field from the press box in violation of league rules.

“Yeah I’m really focused on getting ready for the Bengals here,” Belichick said on Tuesday morning, via NFL.com. “I just think all that’s being handled internally or however it’s being handled. I don’t know. Again, I have no involvement in this and no knowledge of it. I really don’t have any idea what exactly is going on. I can tell you that we’ve never, as a coaching staff, and I’ve personally have never used any video footage at all of anything that those production people have done, other than what’s shown on public television or something like that. We don’t have anything to do with what they do so I really don’t have much knowledge of the situation at all.”

The Patriots admit that the video crew they sent to Sunday’s Bengals game violated league rules, but they say it was unintentional and that the video crew was filming content for the team’s website, not anything related to the football operations or coaching staff.

In 2007, the Patriots were caught filming the Jets in violation of league rules, and they were docked a first-round draft pick. Belichick has said that since that incident, the Patriots have always been very mindful of the league’s rules about what is allowed when taping at games. But someone didn’t get the memo at the Bengals game, and if the report that the Patriots’ videographer was focused on the Bengals’ sideline for eight minutes proves true, that sounds suspiciously like what the Patriots were already punished for in Spygate.

Belichick insists this is not the same thing. If the NFL doesn’t buy that, a stiff punishment for the Patriots is likely.

214 responses to “Bill Belichick claims no knowledge of, no involvement in Spygate 2

  1. I’m sure BB has nothing to do with what the Patriots put on there website

    And yes there is an entire series called Do your Job
    On the website

    The last episode followed an athletic trainer

  2. They don’t use hand signals anymore.

    What advantage would taping a sideline have these days? I’m curious to what people think they are filming to get an advantage?

  3. My goodness, this is the dumbest alleged controversy. What exactly did the Patriots supposedly gain by this taping? Watching the Cincinnati coaches with binoculars would yield any necessary information.

  4. belicheat and Tom Lady are so last year. Harbaugh has surpassed him as greatest coach in the NFL this year as has Lamar. And they DON”T CHEAT!

  5. Typical of Goodell. Pats robbed by horrendous officiating in huge game in front of the entire nation… now the NFL concocts this nonsense.

  6. Take away all super bowl victories and all other regular season and playoff wins during belichick’s tenure as head coach. Also impose a forfeiture of all their draft picks in this year’s draft. Send a message that cheating by this organization will no longer be tolerated. It’s gone on long enough.

  7. For an organization that’s supposedly so buttoned-down and on top of everything, seems a little odd that they have this “rogue” in-house film crew running wild.

  8. FootbalFanz says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:19 am
    LOL, just like tom had NO IDEA about deflated balllls
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    And Rodger had no idea about science or why his driver always has to inflate the tires on the car after that first cold winter night.

  9. Interested in fanning the flames much PFT? Spygate 2? This is completely unlike what happened before but don’t fall over yourselves trying to generate clicks.

  10. Belichick knows more about what’s going on than Santa.
    If a flea burps, he knows it.
    And yet, he has no knowledge of this?… Oh sure.
    Ya know, I was born at night, but not last night.

  11. Yes, he said this last night. Not sure why you would post the same quote twice.

    If Mike Tomlin can trip a player during a game for a 100K fine, and BB thumbs his nose at Manboobs/Woody Johsnon/the Jets and Goodell in Week 1 of 2007, all we’re asking for is to see this supposed damning tape instead of us needing to trust Goodell again.

    He’s lied numerous times and been called a liar by 3 different federal judges.

    Again, release the tape so we can see. It’s been 48 hours.

    Looking for fairness and transparency.

  12. That was the exact same excuse they used when caught 12 years ago so i don’t see it being accepted this time around.

    The videographers were just doing their job. It’s a bad look considering who the opposing team was but regardless of how helpful or not the video was, the Pats are repeat offenders and got caught doing the exact same thing and used the exact same excuse.

    This needs to be it for the Pats.

  13. If the crew is there filming a documentary being taped about a Patriot scout, why are they filming 8 minutes of the Bengals sideline?! Did he spend some time on their sideline during the game??!! I think not… The Flying Elvis notify the Browns but inadvertently FORGET to notify the League or the Bengals??!! Hahahahaha… Wouldn’t you do that at the same time you notify the Browns?! Something isn’t right despite the claim of ignorance we always hear:))

  14. chuckshontaspads says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:30 am
    Typical of Goodell. Pats robbed by horrendous officiating in huge game in front of the entire nation… now the NFL concocts this nonsense.
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    Ding ding ding. we have the most delusional homer comment of the day here.

  15. collectordude says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:28 am
    Anyone actually believe Belichick?
    He knows everything that goers on there.

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    Sure, with the team. Kraft controls Kraft Productions. Period.

    I would imagine BB would prefer none of what they do is filmed.

    Owners are very jealous of Kraft, which is why this is even a story. Anyone can go watch any one of these behind the scenes productions at the Pats site. As mentioned, they’ve already filmed the filming team on the road as well and we heard nothing about it.

    Cincy seems a little sensitive here and over-reacted. The report is a Bengals employee was sitting right there. The Browns as well. It’s literally right there in the open.

    $100 they chose the 1-11 Bungles to do this documentary session with to avoid this kind of potential backlash. If it was any of the AFC playoff teams, it would look worse. They probably thought they went above and beyond.

    Has NE briefed the NFL on other Kraft Productions films on the road? Doubtful, as this has been a series that has been going on now for a few years.

    No team employee was doing any filming. Period.

  16. PLEASE don’t call this “Spygate 2”. It just dumbs things down and feed the trolls.

    This, to all indications, was some PR lackeys doing something detached from the football operations of the team. They did it out in the open, with approval, and clearly it’s not something they do all the time.

    I don’t know the full story behind this, but I’ve worked with enough video people to know they always shoot more than they need and always try to get lots of “b-roll” to have extra footage in case some of it can’t be used and to have more available to use later. Also, they shoot everything they’re allowed to shoot.

    So from a PR standpoint, all of this sounds very pedestrian to me. The “spygate” accusation is far more of a stretch than the defense of it, and I don’t think using that loaded term is fair or useful at this time.

  17. Either A If he is guilty Ban Billecheck from the NFL or B If not guilty just a stupid mistake that looks really Bad just move on but the NFL to address this ASAP before the Media spins this out of control.Dont wait 6 months for an investigation it’s either A or B.Superbowl is around the corner and I dont want this to be the main topic

  18. I’ve read two books one the Patriots. One focused exclusively on Bill. NO ONE knows the rule book better then he does. If they Pats ever break the rules it’s with his say so.

  19. factschecker says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:27 am
    They don’t use hand signals anymore.

    What advantage would taping a sideline have these days? I’m curious to what people think they are filming to get an advantage?

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    Of course. But, people want to believe paranoia and rhetoric instead.

    Nothing adds up, but they want it to add up.

  20. tylawspick6 says:

    No team employee was doing any filming. Period.

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    So what?
    Could be it was an “off the books, money under the table” type of deal.

  21. All of you Patriots defenders got to be scratching your heads and wondering what you are going to come up with now to defend the Pats on yet another scandal.

  22. Quite pitiful to read comments from deranged fans of perpetual loser teams crying for a ban of the Patriots and other crazy punishments because they can’t match their level of success. Have some self-respect.

  23. “Isn’t it weird how this kind of thing doesn’t happen to other organizations?” – NFL fans outside the East coast

    “It’s a conspiracy! Goodell hates us!” – Pats fans

  24. It’s all run like the mafia.

    The higher-ups don’t get their hanbs dirty, or touch the product.

    So Bill doesn’t watch the tape to maintain plausible deniability.

    But Ernie does.

  25. watchyobehindinharmcity says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:26 am

    ********** I think that’s enough asterisks to represent each KNOWN instance of cheating.

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    Actually, zero are enough. The first “spygate” was doing something that was legal up until recently before that, and the only violation was taping from one location rather than another. After that, nothing has ever been proven, and in fact, there have been just as many or more suggestions of impropriety by other teams that have arisen in each case the Patriots were called out for (see: the ludicrous PSI saga, which the league quickly buried once the basis for its case was exposed as fraudulent).

    Losers always resent winners; the less smart always resent the smarter. If you can’t beat them, make them look bad.

  26. Yee Gods PFT posted late last week tix for the game were going for something like 10 bucks.

    If the Pats really wanted sideline video they could have easily bought a ticket and had someone shoot cell phone video the whole game from right behind the Bengals bench.

    But even giving the Pats a pass on that, whoever was in charge of this should have known the league and other teams would be extremely sensitive about the Pats and video cameras.

  27. phinsfan66 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:36 am
    If the crew is there filming a documentary being taped about a Patriot scout, why are they filming 8 minutes of the Bengals sideline?! Did he spend some time on their sideline during the game??!! I think not… The Flying Elvis notify the Browns but inadvertently FORGET to notify the League or the Bengals??!! Hahahahaha… Wouldn’t you do that at the same time you notify the Browns?! Something isn’t right despite the claim of ignorance we always hear:))

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    Of course you would have to film at least a portion of what the scout is doing or looking for as part of his job.

    Again, the footage is not for team use.

    There’s no way this would have happened with NE knowing how sensitive Goodell is about his cheating.

    NE calls into the NFL regularly to check on this stuff, but that is the TEAM, not some separate entity.

    The rules apply to the TEAM not some production company that has nothing to do with the actual scouting by the team itself.

    Very simple, people.

  28. Fire the crew or the people who failed to tell the crew what the rules were. Someone is guilty and it aint bellycheck. I mean who needs to film the bungels unless your sending the video to the top QB’s in college and saying, you may want to play one more year. LOL

  29. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:47 am
    tylawspick6 says:

    No team employee was doing any filming. Period.

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    So what?
    Could be it was an “off the books, money under the table” type of deal.

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    For the 1-11 Bungles and a coach who will be fired in 2 years?

    Again, any NFL team could literally buy a ticket to a game and ask that spy person to sit in the stands every week with a cell phone from one of the bottom rows and just shoot that kind of footage.

    Why would you do it right in front of their own people in the press box?

    Lastly, there are so few things to be garnered from any signals today anyway. Everything is done over a headset, save for maybe a couple of gestures, which are also captured on our tv screens.

    This all comes from lying and a paranoia enabled by Goodell.

    He did it.

    Every single NFL team has 22 film, which is end zone film which shows the sidelines during a game.

    This is a fact, not an opinion. You can these same kind of gyrations in the panning of a camera frame on that footage.

    You people are certified. Absolutely certified.

  30. Looking for fairness and transparency.

    You can start by looking at the tape of Tomlin not tripping anyone….no contact was made. So stop lying for once and while you are at it stop whining it’s embarrassing to see a grown boy cry.

    BB playing dumb here folks…….if a shadow farts Bill knows so wake up ladies he is lying like a fine Persian Rug.

  31. Bill put more words together in that denial than he’s said in the past two years combined. If he’s not careful he’s going to
    get mandibular tunnel syndrome – the coach doth protest too much, methinks.

  32. Goodell needs to strip the patriots of all 6 super bowl trophys and award them to St. Louis rams,Carolina panthers,Philadelphia eagles Seattle seahawks Atlanta falcons and los Angeles rams like lance Armstrong was stripped of his 7 tour de France titles.

  33. tylawspick6 says:

    Why wasn’t this flagged by the Skins when they filmed this segment there?

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    Maybe nobody noticed.
    Cincy is more alert for chicanery.
    “See something, say something.”

  34. sfgamblers says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:45 am
    Stay classy pats fans.

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    We’re actually very classy because we know the sports, the rules and like facts.

    We don’t beg our owner to run around slandering other teams due to jealousy or whatever else.

    Wake us when Goodell is transparent and fair, because he’s the one who enabled this kind of childish and embarrassing environment.

    Not in 1 billion years would BB dream of stepping out of line in ANY way humanly possible after his treatment in Framegate I.

    The entire franchise knew it had a target on its back, which is why many of us knew immediately Deflategate was made up.

    Your perspective is the one Goodell and ESPN and other media haters who are also very jealous of NE’s success, grants to you.

    Goodell is a liar. A proven liar. Over and over and over. He needs to release the footage NOW so we can at least somewhat believe his position.

    If he doesn’t, and yet again uses this as a platform to further cheat NE by stealing draft picks or using it to deflect away from how the refs just bagged that game for KC OR possibly as he tries to bag the game for Buffalo next week, then that’s Goodell doing what Goodell does.

    The Pats are very much aware teams are seeking to try to cheat them and weaken them, and there’s nothing they can do about it with Mr. Article 46 himself, the real cheater.

  35. movike says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:03 pm
    Bill put more words together in that denial than he’s said in the past two years combined. If he’s not careful he’s going to
    get mandibular tunnel syndrome – the coach doth protest too much, methinks.

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    Yes, BB is well known for rambling on and on about his opinion of horrible decision making by Goodell and NFL management.

    lol

  36. windowthrow says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:02 pm
    “We’re on to Cincinnati” .. looks like you were already there.

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    This means you think 31 other NFL teams don’t employ scouts to scout a team they’re about to play in a box around other humans.

    Congrats on embarrassing yourself.

  37. cardinealsfan20 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:28 am
    My goodness, this is the dumbest alleged controversy. What exactly did the Patriots supposedly gain by this taping?
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    And yet, they did it.

  38. granadafan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:01 pm
    “tylawspick6 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:44 am
    How embarrassing to able to boot up a computer and be that dumb.“
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    Yet you do the same every day on this site. Pot, Kettle. Black

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    Hilarious.

    Then why am I right? a large portion of the time? I come with facts and logic. You come with dreams and whims for hating on the most succcesful franchise in NFL history due to a jealousy that permeates the league.

    This proves what I’ve always said since Goodell took over: One set of rules for 31 NFL teams, one special set for the Pats.

    It’s the truth. They’re held to a different standard due to jealousy.

  39. Didn’t the last investigation reveal that employees were instructed to say that they were filming some independent project if caught? Doesn’t this denial fest fit exactly into those parameters? The Pats have lost the right to deserve the benefit of the doubt.

  40. johnnycantread says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:07 pm
    tylawspick6 says:

    Why wasn’t this flagged by the Skins when they filmed this segment there?

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    Maybe nobody noticed.
    Cincy is more alert for chicanery.
    “See something, say something.”

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    Nobody noticed humans are being followed around and filmed to show what they do behind the scenes in broad daylight?

    LOL!

  41. After what happened last time, being docked a 1st round pick, you would think the Patriots would have put the strictest guidelines in place. Obviously they didn’t. Dock them again, but take 2 1st round picks this time. Maybe then it will start to sink in.

  42. bcjs0108 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:48 am
    All of you Patriots defenders got to be scratching your heads and wondering what you are going to come up with now to defend the Pats on yet another scandal.

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    Nope. Actually lovin it. More insignificant stuff that just adds fuel to the fire. Apparently Deflategate didn’t teach any lessons as we know what happened after that. But we could actually use the motivation now, especially the offense. Perfect timing. In fact if Brady can somehow get tied into it then even better. Please……keep kicking the sleeping pit bull.

  43. This goes back to their first stolen Super Bowl vs. the Rams in 2001. At that point, Goodell said publicly that he destroyed the blatant cheating evidence because he felt it was in the best interest of the league. (i.e.; owners’ profits)

    McDaniels got caught filming the 49ers during his pathetically brief tenure as head coach of the Broncos.
    Then he was caught again the following week, in London where he foolishly assumed nobody over there would know any better — classy and arrogant!

    Next up, 2008 and Jets catching them yet again, in addition to The Deflator and his co-worker(whom Brady obviously treated like crap while they helped him unfairly win games) altering his tiny-hands flat footballs; next illegal formations; and now caught again spying.

    Everyone saying why the Bengals; do you really think this is the only time they’ve pulled their slimy crap?

  44. As a Steelers fan, this whole thing makes no sense. The Bengals played 12 regular season games this year and I am sure that the Patriots have all the legal footage of those games to study. What possibly could they need to gain by doing this? They have to be punished because of what happened but I highly doubt that this was a franchise-wide conspiracy to tape the Bengals.

  45. crush22 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:14 pm
    cardinealsfan20 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:28 am
    My goodness, this is the dumbest alleged controversy. What exactly did the Patriots supposedly gain by this taping?
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    And yet, they did it.

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    No, the team did not do anything. Kraft’s production house did the filming like they have in other portions of the series.

    You people are so dumb it’s scary.

    “Also kinda professionally ridiculous for this business:

    Not knowing the difference between the the team video department (practice & game tape) and the .com/films media operations for all the teams. These aren’t the same thing, ding-dongs. They have nothing to do w/ one another.”

    – Matt Chatham (A Primary Source)

  46. pioniere says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:16 pm
    After what happened last time, being docked a 1st round pick, you would think the Patriots would have put the strictest guidelines in place. Obviously they didn’t. Dock them again, but take 2 1st round picks this time. Maybe then it will start to sink in.

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    So, Kraft Productions is not the team.

    Any NFL team that has production work done, better be ok with ALSO having picks stolen then.

    This is what you don’t get. The team wasn’t doing the production on this piece.

  47. You have to be 50+ to understand this comment.

    Was Bill Belichick secretly Sargent Schultze in the late 60’s?

    They used to have a Hogan. Just sayin

  48. Congrats on embarrassing yourself.

    Now that is something you really know a lot about. The Pats are like Trump everybody else is lying about them and only they are truthful…..come on not everybody is fooled as easily as you.

  49. enoughofthatalready says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:22 pm
    As a Steelers fan, this whole thing makes no sense. The Bengals played 12 regular season games this year and I am sure that the Patriots have all the legal footage of those games to study. What possibly could they need to gain by doing this? They have to be punished because of what happened but I highly doubt that this was a franchise-wide conspiracy to tape the Bengals.

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    Nope.

    The team., the scouts, the ones in charge of team scouting, etc, are not responsible here. The rules apply to those people, not some outside entity like a production company.

    The people on the staff out-sourced to do this series are not Pats empkoyees of any kind.

    Also, they’ve been doing this series for 2-3 years now and focusing on different elements of what goes on behind the scenes.

    Smells like 1-11 Cincy got a little sensitive here and that’s all it is. No way on earth Kraft or BB would issue any kind of funny business after all they’ve been through with the systematic framejobs out of 345 Park Ave.

    If Goodell tries to cheat again, he has to release this tape so the fans can see WHY he’d be doing any punishing.

  50. tylawspick6 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:14 pm
    granadafan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:01 pm
    “tylawspick6 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:44 am
    How embarrassing to able to boot up a computer and be that dumb.“
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    Yet you do the same every day on this site. Pot, Kettle. Black

    0 2 Rate This

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    Hilarious.

    Then why am I right? a large portion of the time? I come with facts and logic. You come with dreams and whims for hating on the most succcesful franchise in NFL history due to a jealousy that permeates the league.

    This proves what I’ve always said since Goodell took over: One set of rules for 31 NFL teams, one special set for the Pats.

    It’s the truth. They’re held to a different standard due to jealousy.
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    Is there just like, carnival music playing in your head constantly?

  51. enoughofthatalready says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:22 pm
    As a Steelers fan, this whole thing makes no sense. The Bengals played 12 regular season games this year and I am sure that the Patriots have all the legal footage of those games to study. What possibly could they need to gain by doing this? They have to be punished because of what happened but I highly doubt that this was a franchise-wide conspiracy to tape the Bengals.

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    When a jealous team or teams want to frame NE, it never makes sense.

    That’s the whole point. The hyenas who want Goodell to act, never look at the facts.

  52. Vasteelerfan says:

    “stop whining it’s embarrassing to see a grown boy cry.”
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    You cry on every single Pats article When are you going to take your own advice wise one? It’s embarrassing watching a retiree cry about the Pats constantly.

  53. tylawspicksix
    I have to hand it to you you win the award for the most delusional Patriot fan ever. You fail to realize they don’t deserve the benefit of any doubt. They have gone down this road many many times so they don’t deserve any benefit of Doubt. And they certainly don’t owe YOU anything..to view the tape..

  54. I’ve been a Pats fan since 1975. I’ve suffered thru a lot, and I’ve celebrated many wins and 6 Superbowls, but my second favorite team has always been the Raiders. Today my favorite team is now the Raiders, and the Patriots are dead to me. You can’t defend this, and you can’t explain it away. After everything this franchise has been thru to even put yourself in that spot is unthinkable. Therefore I’m done… my Patriots flag is burnt and buried in the backyard it’s over… Go Raiders

  55. Tylawpick6 has the best comment on so far:

    “Again, any NFL team could literally buy a ticket to a game and ask that spy person to sit in the stands every week with a cell phone from one of the bottom rows and just shoot that kind of footage. Why would you do it right in front of their own people in the press box?”

    People want to believe the Pats are cheating so they look for any material to support that narrative. If the Pats were really trying to cheat they certianly wouldn’t have tried to do it the way it went down. They wouldn’t have notified the Browns for one thing. This is some clueless video production guy doing his own thing. Does anyone honestly believe Belechick would be so concerned about the 1-12 Bengals that he’d resort to this to beat them?

    Try to take the hatred out of it and focus on the facts.

  56. Being a Patriots fan is such a double-edged sword. The Super Bowls have been great but the constant soap opera and media obsession about EVERYTHING is exhausting. The Patriots are certainly guilty of being extremely stupid and breaking a league rule. Why even put yourself in this position? Eight minutes of video is nothing considering most calls are sent in through headsets but they broke a league rule. Period. I will say that the lack of consistency is what irritates me. The Jets got caught with a camera pointed at the Patriots sideline a few years ago and suffered no penalties. The Vikings and another team got caught heating balls on the sideline to increase PSI and no penalties. The NFL studies PSI for an entire season but never releases the results and no one cares. The Patriots are arrogant, they bend and skirt the rules, but most of the league does the same and everyone turns a blind eye. Consistency is all I’m asking for.

  57. I am a Pats fan so obviously I am biased. But if you are really that stupid to make the same mistake again then please punish them. It just doesn’t seem to make sense as BB would never risk getting “caught” for the same thing again.

  58. Belichick once told me, “If there were 100 things to do to get ready for a game, that stuff was about 99 on the list. It wasn’t a priority.”

    “The idea that Belichick would stand at a podium, more than seven years removed from the day the Patriots had a videographer pinched on the Jets sideline and be that adamant, then four years later give the OK to have a guy in a Patriots shirt stand in a press box and film the sideline for team consumption?

    Like nobody would notice? Like nobody would care? He’s smarter than that. I’m smarter than that. You’re smarter than that.

    People will believe what they want to believe. The vast majority of football-watching America will believe the Patriots were cheating because that’s the narrative they’ve been FED for a decade and a half.

    Anything requiring people with their minds made up to think critically about an allegation is going to be dismissed out of hand. That’s why this is swallowed whole and pooped out as truth the same way Mike Tomlin’s intimations the Patriots were jamming their headsets in early 2015 was accepted as truth and — after it was debunked by the NFL — left a dent.

    What’s funny about this is the frothing at the mouth by the mouthbreathers who actually believe anything is said.”

    So, now, undermining Kraft Productions and Bob Kraft’s own employees outside the team, IS a priority for the 1-11 Bungles?

    LOL!

    You people are so dumb. So, so dumb.

  59. Jesus Christ

    Not a Pats fan but there are a lot of jealous people in these comments. Teams don’t even use hand signals any more so what is the point of filming the sidelines? And I saw one person on this thread say “take away all of BB’s championships and playoff wins.” Like… No? That is taking it way too far. Your team must really suck.

  60. LOL @ TyLaw responding to EVERY comment on this article. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. Get a life dude. Seriously. It’s painful to witness your online tactics from mommy’s basement. Sheesh.

  61. Just speculating here but I would guess the violation isn’t filming the field from the press box. I believe that’s allowed (the press box or the coaches box is the designated area for doing so). The issue is in the notification of both teams (not just one).

  62. The sign stealing accusations are stupid. In 40 seconds, the offense huddles, the QB gets the play call from the OC, he ALSO gets information of the stolen, translated defensive sign from someone else(?) regarding what the defense might be playing, comes to the line, scans the defense, reconciles the look with the play and the stolen defensive sign information, sets pass protection, calls the cadence, gets a man in motion, checks that the DBs adjust with the motion to confirm the coverage, also noting potential blitzers, confirms the defense is IN FACT running the defense that the OC sent in using the stolen sign. Runs play, dodges blitzers, scrambles a little, scores TD by throwing to correct receiver.
    Yeah – like that really happens.

  63. Going to be interesting to see whether the NFL rules that there was no qualified winner in Super Bowls XXXVI, XXXVIII, XXXIX, XLVIX, LI, and LIII or whether St. Louis should get three wins, Philadelphia and Seattle two wins and a win to both Atlanta and Carolina.

  64. enoughofthatalready says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:22 pm
    As a Steelers fan, this whole thing makes no sense. The Bengals played 12 regular season games this year and I am sure that the Patriots have all the legal footage of those games to study. What possibly could they need to gain by doing this? They have to be punished because of what happened but I highly doubt that this was a franchise-wide conspiracy to tape the Bengals.

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    When a jealous team or teams want to frame NE, it never makes sense.

    That’s the whole point. The hyenas who want Goodell to act, never look at the facts.

    So are you saying that the Bengals are jealous of the Patriots and reported this in an effort to try and frame the Patriots? They saw this guy pointing a camera at their sideline and reported it to the league. Again I think this is being blown up out of proportion but there is no need for a conspiracy to bring the Patriots down. It will happen naturally eventually, perhaps sooner than you think.

  65. FootbalFanz says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:19 am
    LOL, just like tom had NO IDEA about deflated balllls
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    To be fair neither did Andrew Luck. 🙂

  66. You cry on every single Pats article When are you going to take your own advice wise one? It’s embarrassing watching a retiree cry about the Pats constantly.

    Telling a truth you may not like is hardly crying but you complaint is. Pats fans feel their team is never wrong and is only wronged by the Evil Forces….please Francis grow up your dreams of eternal glory are coming to an end.

  67. jamaltimore says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:30 am
    belicheat and Tom Lady are so last year. Harbaugh has surpassed him as greatest coach in the NFL this year as has Lamar. And they DON’T CHEAT!
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    You mean the same coach that everyone in Baltimore wanted fired almost this time last year?

    https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2018/11/04/ravens-lose-to-steelers-23-16-fans-want-harbaugh-fired/

    You caught lightening in a bottle. Let’s see if you can finish the job. Don’t lie to us on my watch. I live in BMore and I know what time it is.

  68. Of course Belicheat says that, even though everyone knows that nothing happens in the Patriot camp without his knowledge. It’s just like Traitor Trump says he knows nothing about any payments to hookers, or Russian interference in our election on his behalf, or any shady dealings with the Ukraine in exchange for defense funding–well, you get the picture. Belicheat and Trump are two of a kind: they lie and cheat, loudly proclaim their innocence, and usually get away with it. Remarkable, isn’t it?

  69. jackedupboonie says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:35 am
    And you think it was by chance they knew exactly what play Seattle was calling at the 1 yard line?
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    This train of thought is utterly mind boggling.

    So basically what you are saying is that the Pats didn’t know what play SEA was going to use at the 3 when Baldwin scored. Or the 3 plays at the NE 10 that led to the SEA FG. Or the 3 plays at the NE 10 that led to the other SEA TD. But somehow they pulled out their “bag of tricks” and knew that play was coming despite 3 other trips to the red zone that resulted in scores.

    I mean wow. Just wow.

  70. phinsfan66 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:36 am
    If the crew is there filming a documentary being taped about a Patriot scout, why are they filming 8 minutes of the Bengals sideline?! Did he spend some time on their sideline during the game??!! I think not… The Flying Elvis notify the Browns but inadvertently FORGET to notify the League or the Bengals??!! Hahahahaha… Wouldn’t you do that at the same time you notify the Browns?! Something isn’t right despite the claim of ignorance we always hear:))
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    Wouldn’t the Browns sideline be just as susceptible?

  71. Arrogant Bill is starting to loose games and Tommy Boy is fading so it would be terrifying for him to loose to the one win Bengals so he had to cheat.

  72. foodiefoodnerd says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm
    WestCoastPats, your “pitbull” is snoring instead of practicing and studying; no wonder you’ve had to cheat for 19 years.

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    Yeah you’re right. No talent at all. All cheating. So please refresh my memory. What were the specific cheating allegations the past 3 Superbowls? Oh wait, just assumptions? How about this. I’ll make it easy for you then. Please tell me how they cheated on that first Superbowl in 2001 in beating the Rams. If you can answer that one then you win. I await your intelligent answer……..

  73. “You’re acting like a mob. And a mob doesn’t have any brains.”
    – Twilight Zone episode, “The Shelter”

  74. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:03 pm
    Looking for fairness and transparency.

    You can start by looking at the tape of Tomlin not tripping anyone….no contact was made. So stop lying for once and while you are at it stop whining it’s embarrassing to see a grown boy cry.

    BB playing dumb here folks…….if a shadow farts Bill knows so wake up ladies he is lying like a fine Persian Rug.
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    This effectively removes your right to complain about Pats fans. Ugh

    Tomlin didn’t trip anybody. You’re right he did nothing to warrant that fine. What. So. Ever. 🙂

  75. very simple.

    Suspend Belichick for the remainder of the 2019 season and the entire 2020 season.

    Forfeiture of all 2020 Draft Picks.

    Forfeiture of any compensatory draft picks until 2024.

    Done!

  76. purpleguy says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:14 pm
    Didn’t the last investigation reveal that employees were instructed to say that they were filming some independent project if caught? Doesn’t this denial fest fit exactly into those parameters? The Pats have lost the right to deserve the benefit of the doubt.
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    I suspect if you look the Pats never denied taping during Spygate. They always positioned it as being “legal”.

  77. foodiefoodnerd says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:20 pm
    This goes back to their first stolen Super Bowl vs. the Rams in 2001. At that point, Goodell said publicly that he destroyed the blatant cheating evidence because he felt it was in the best interest of the league. (i.e.; owners’ profits)

    McDaniels got caught filming the 49ers during his pathetically brief tenure as head coach of the Broncos.
    Then he was caught again the following week, in London where he foolishly assumed nobody over there would know any better — classy and arrogant!

    Next up, 2008 and Jets catching them yet again, in addition to The Deflator and his co-worker(whom Brady obviously treated like crap while they helped him unfairly win games) altering his tiny-hands flat footballs; next illegal formations; and now caught again spying.

    Everyone saying why the Bengals; do you really think this is the only time they’ve pulled their slimy crap?
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    To recap, it’s the Pats fault the Broncos cheated?

  78. I can’t wait for Bill Bilichick to be a part of NFL Network’s 100 Best Surveillance Videos.

    I already have my personal favorite, the Rams WalkthroughGate™ but there are rumors of a Dark Horse candidate that may even involve Epstein blackmail tapes.

  79. camstinks says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:36 pm
    I’ve been a Pats fan since 1975. I’ve suffered thru a lot, and I’ve celebrated many wins and 6 Superbowls, but my second favorite team has always been the Raiders. Today my favorite team is now the Raiders, and the Patriots are dead to me. You can’t defend this, and you can’t explain it away. After everything this franchise has been thru to even put yourself in that spot is unthinkable. Therefore I’m done… my Patriots flag is burnt and buried in the backyard it’s over… Go Raiders
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    I mean really. C ya? Hmmm how do you defend this …. Why would a team ask for permission to cheat? Why would a team grant permission to a team known for doing so? Sure, stupidity could be the answer to both. I suspect that there was a whole lot more covert ways to accomplish this if they really wanted to. None of which would include notifying either team.

  80. Wow, the Pats have gotten that bad that they need to spy on, wait for it, the Bungles? Ouch. Cheaters gonna cheat.

  81. It truly is amazing how Patriot noobs always have a built in excuse to defend these cheating frauds no matter what the evidence. If this exact same story was replaced with the Colts instead of the Patriots, their entire clown fanbase would be blasting the colts and declaring all of this evidence satisfactory beyond a doubt, yet when it’s their cheating fraud patriots, they defend without any regard for the truth. The rest of the world knows you asterisk kings are fake as Tom Brady hair plugs. Biggest fraud team in sports history

  82. It’s not about Cincinnati any more than deflate gate was about the Colts and Spygate 1 etc. Those instances are just when they were finally caught. So the premise of ‘it wouldn’t make sense for the Pats to tape the 1 win Bengals’ is moot. When a liar or cheater gets caught, it’s just the first time they were caught after years of lying and cheating.

    Nothing under BB is legit win or lose …this much is clear. Hopefully the HOF will make this clear as well when the time comes.

  83. Tomlin didn’t trip anybody. You’re right he did nothing to warrant that fine. What. So. Ever. 🙂

    I knew you would come your senses. The fine was the appearance of intent to obstruct. No contact was made…..did you watch the game Skippy? Of course not you are too young for that game.

    I know it hurts to be caught cheating…
    Again but stop acting like Trump supporters and start lying about it.

  84. O.k. well this story is bizarre, as usual, really weird that they would do that right in front of a Bengals rep. So the Raiders defense is really bad right now partly because Burfict was suspended for the entire season for a repeat offense. He was a veteran and had leadership skills in the linebacker position. Yeah, NFL, you gutted the Raiders defense so what are you going to do about this?

  85. phinatic29 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:10 pm
    very simple.
    Suspend Belichick for the remainder of the 2019 season and the entire 2020 season.
    Forfeiture of all 2020 Draft Picks.
    Forfeiture of any compensatory draft picks until 2024.
    Done!
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    You left out: Force Tom Brady to retire, no nationally televised games until 2021, cut their salary cap in half, a million dollar fine, and they must punt on first down!

    The bitterness, jealousy and misguided understanding of these events is palpable and indicative of how badly the Patriots have owned your teams.

  86. Those of you trying to justify this by saying teams dont use hand signals anymore need to stop. Sidelines still use a ton of hand signals to communicate with players on the field, Qbs use the to communicate with WRs pre snap, Dbacks use them to make checks. Hand signals are still very much a big part of the game.

  87. So are you saying that the Bengals are jealous of the Patriots and reported this in an effort to try and frame the Patriots? They saw this guy pointing a camera at their sideline and reported it to the league. Again I think this is being blown up out of proportion but there is no need for a conspiracy to bring the Patriots down. It will happen naturally eventually, perhaps sooner than you think.

    2 3 Rate This

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    I think it’s fine to inquire about what it is, but to leak it out to the press and public to attempt to make yourself feel better about always losing to NE and yes, being so jealous of NE’s titles, after you’ve been to only 2 SBs, yes. Absolutely. It’s what these insecure, paranoid loser franchises do.

    Not even accepting the rational explanation is concerning, IMO. As I said, Goodell enables this behavior when there is clearly nothing even there, while blatantly ignroing the Giants walkie talkie use, Peyton manning’s HGH, and numerous other obvious transgressions that are far more sinister or show intent.

    And, I am not sure BB has a great liking for MIke Brown either.

    His father? Sure.

  88. @tylawpick6

    Have to question your take on the “outside subcontractor” not being required to follow the rules that apply to their employer.

    It would seem Pats subcontractors would be subject to the same rules and regulations as Patriots employees when performing their duties for the Pats, the company that hired them.

    Why would that not be the case? They are there on behalf of the Patriots thereby required to adhere to the same rules and policies as the Pats. Not sure how that would not be the case and I’m even less sure about your knowledge of the inner-workings of the NFL, their policies towards their Teams and it’s subcontractors.

  89. Gotta say…….as a lifelong Patriot follower, wins and losses from their Fenway and Schaffer stadium days, IF this is true I have my take. First show us the tape and give a proper determination if cheating was or wasn’t determined. Secondly if it’s found they were cheating and were backed by BB and Kraft, I say blow up this whole organization. If it’s determined that it’s their second offense in the last 10 yrs or so I say, fire Bill, and force Kraft to sell the team. Blowup the team since Brady is just about done anyway, and start from scratch. As a fan if they cheated then I have no compassion for whoever is involved. They were warned very strongly years ago, and they of all teams should always be walking a fine line to not skirt any NFL rules. Finally I’d be done with this team if the allegations are true!!

  90. If the Pats are taping the worst team in the league just ahead of playing them – then they are weaker this year than anyone outside of BB’s inner circle knows. Pats mache.

  91. As long as drugs aren’t involved no one cares. Cheating is part of the game. Look at how everyone worships a playoff cheat.

  92. thermanmerman99 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:25 pm
    It truly is amazing how Patriot noobs always have a built in excuse to defend these cheating frauds no matter what the evidence. If this exact same story was replaced with the Colts instead of the Patriots, their entire clown fanbase would be blasting the colts and declaring all of this evidence satisfactory beyond a doubt, yet when it’s their cheating fraud patriots, they defend without any regard for the truth. The rest of the world knows you asterisk kings are fake as Tom Brady hair plugs. Biggest fraud team in sports history
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    I would guess the objections from Pats fans is your version of the “truth”. Nobody knows what that really is yet here you are professing otherwise.

  93. Vasteelerfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:26 pm
    I knew you would come your senses. The fine was the appearance of intent to obstruct. No contact was made…..did you watch the game Skippy? Of course not you are too young for that game.

    I know it hurts to be caught cheating…
    Again but stop acting like Trump supporters and start lying about it.
    ==================
    And yet I’m not the one claiming Tomlin did nothing wrong. I mean if you’re entitled to make that claim I’m at a loss as to what exactly you are complaining about re: Pats fans.

  94. patriotwayrules says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:43 pm
    Gotta say…….as a lifelong Patriot follower, wins and losses from their Fenway and Schaffer stadium days, IF this is true I have my take. First show us the tape and give a proper determination if cheating was or wasn’t determined. Secondly if it’s found they were cheating and were backed by BB and Kraft, I say blow up this whole organization. If it’s determined that it’s their second offense in the last 10 yrs or so I say, fire Bill, and force Kraft to sell the team. Blowup the team since Brady is just about done anyway, and start from scratch. As a fan if they cheated then I have no compassion for whoever is involved. They were warned very strongly years ago, and they of all teams should always be walking a fine line to not skirt any NFL rules. Finally I’d be done with this team if the allegations are true!!

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    No way you’re a Pats fan. Pats fans use intelligence, deductive logic and reason to come to a conclusion.

    If NE wanted to get away with hand motioning over a team, they’d buy a ticket for a person or persons every week on the road to use their cellphone to get it. Hence why headsets exists for offense and defense.

    very obviously, you’d have to shoot what the scout is looking at as he’s describing what he is looking for as a scout.

    Otherwise, you don’t have a show.

    LOL

    I mean, how did our country become so dumb?

  95. 13xxposeidonxx13 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:36 pm
    Those of you trying to justify this by saying teams dont use hand signals anymore need to stop. Sidelines still use a ton of hand signals to communicate with players on the field, Qbs use the to communicate with WRs pre snap, Dbacks use them to make checks. Hand signals are still very much a big part of the game.
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    To be fair so is the helmet radio. Maybe the camera has a 3000 foot boom that intercepts audio as well?

  96. Breaking: “Sources say the NFL is leaning toward the Patriots version of these events”

    If true this tells me they have seen the tape and from what they’ve seen this is more likely than not it was a mistake. Hope so but I still want to see it.

  97. If the tapes were just handed over in the first place waaaaaay back in the day I can see this not being as BIG a deal but still a big deal. Patriots have been in the media getting caught for things here and there a bunch of times under Evil Bills reign. In a league that parity is supposed to be a big deal and the success rate that the Patriots draft picks turn out, I feel like 25% – 50% of their seasons should have ended up short of the AFC Championships GOAT or not at QB. Just based on probability alone. Unless… theres a little mole digging around.

  98. fohgedaboutit says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:46 pm
    Remember when everyone thought Lance Armstrong is just that good?
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    He was and was riding against a level playing field. 20 of the 21 podium finishers in the Tour de France from 1999 through 2005 directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations or exceeding the UCI hematocrit (a blood test to discover EPO use) threshold”. Yes Armstrong was that good. You people need to choose a different sport. That one has always had drugs running rampant through it.

  99. First I don’t believe Belicheck at all that he doesn’t know what the crew that was filming in Cincinnati does. Whether or not they report directly to him, Belichek definitely knows who they are and what they do. Second, it is beyond me why he or the Patriots staff would do this. It isn’t about the Bengals, if they are taping signals to get an advantage, they are always doing it and they just got found out this time. But how does it help to tape hand signals? Coaches read off a call sheet on offense that goes to a radio in the QBs headset in his helmet. Are they getting defensive signals? Marshall Faulk still complains that the Patriots taped the Rams walkthrough, and I get why they would do that, but taping a staff’s hand signals at practice makes less sense.

  100. And yet I’m not the one claiming Tomlin did nothing wrong. I mean if you’re entitled to make that claim I’m at a loss as to what exactly you are complaining about re: Pats fans.

    He didn’t do anything wrong like Brady didn’t direct balls to be deflated……come on Skippy don’t try to be cute. As you should note Tomlins fine was minor…no draft picks or suspension…..or did you forget to remember that.

    Pats and Bb are know as Cheaters…….Tomlin not so much…….sorry about that Francis.

  101. tylawspick6 says:
    “One set of rules for 31 NFL teams, one special set for the Pats.”

    Very true. For years, the Pats have been beneficiaries of non-calls and phantom calls more than any other team. And with the talent they’ve had, they certainly didn’t need the help. Finally one goes against the Pats and the sky is falling in. Teams should value their time outs and challenges. They are valuable commodities.

  102. Vasteelerfan says:

    I know it hurts to be caught cheating…
    _______________________

    So how many times have you been caught cheating? I guess this makes you our article expert.

  103. Haters are idiots always trying to find an excuse or a reason for the Dynasty. How about his maybe they win games because they are GREAT. How is it cheating when you seek permission for the taping prior to actually taping the documentary. Patriots got permission and credentials from Browns officials for taping in Browns facility.

    Of course lets see if Goodell destroys the evidence and charges the Patriots anyway. Just like Spygate. Destroy all the tapes and then make blanket charges that cannot be disproved because the evidence is destroyed. In the NFL rules if the pressure in the football is not by league standards the penalty is 25,000 not a million dollars loss of draft picks and a suspension of star player 4 games. Goodell cannot stand a dynasty in his precious league of parity. (mediocrity)

    Been a Patriots fan since 1970’s and have watched almost all the games and I see wins based on great clutch play in the biggest games with the most pressure. That is why they are great not some stupid conspiracies cooked up by LOSERS and EXCUSE MAKERS. Ok Roger do whatever you are going to do. It will not stop us from winning.

  104. Take away all draft picks for at least two years (including comp picks) – give them the NFL version of the death penalty.

  105. to thermanmerman99

    Yeah idiot……fraud teams come back from 28-3 in 3rd quarter of Super Bowl. Do you even watch the games. Or are your conspiracy theories Just pain relief form your hate of a great dynasty. I bet you were dancing in the 3rd quarter just like the Atlanta players. Tell me did you soil yourself when the GOAT threw lasers all over the field and engineered the greatest comeback of all time under most pressure. Did you believe all the deflatgate Colts hogwash too. With “NFL approved balls” Brady won 3 more Super Bowls AFTER deflategate with supposedly approved balls. Meanwhile the Colts are forever cursed.

    If you cannot handle the Dynasty winning and winning and winning then go watch Oprah cause you cannot handle the NFL. Oprah is for losers and crybabies.

  106. The loudest critics and excuse makers will be Pittsburgh Squealer fans because we are coming for your record chasing a seventh title. Grow a pair or go watch Oprah. Your incessant whining only makes the Squealers appear WEAK.

    Football games are won and lost on the field. Been that way for a 100 years. All your conspiracies and made up charges are a result of the goodell era and whining social media idiots. Get a life loser.

  107. Spygate 2? Now you think the football operation side looks at all the video from Kraft productions? The advance scout was doing his job. The fact Robert Kraft lets some of the worse haters in the building is astonishing.

  108. bcjs0108 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:48 am
    All of you Patriots defenders got to be scratching your heads and wondering what you are going to come up with now to defend the Pats on yet another scandal.
    _____________________________________
    ….scratch my head?

    We Fans of The Greatest Franchise In NFL History know what usually happens after manufactured scandals….

    We go on a Superbowl Run!!!!!!

    #dontmakeusangry

  109. fireroger says:
    December 10, 2019 at 2:02 pm
    Why on earth would anybody think the video will be released?

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    1. It’s Kraft property
    2. Goodell lacks credibility when NE is accused of something.

  110. Finally, an article the Pats fans can comment on! says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:58 pm
    tylawspick6 says:
    “One set of rules for 31 NFL teams, one special set for the Pats.”

    Very true. For years, the Pats have been beneficiaries of non-calls and phantom calls more than any other team. And with the talent they’ve had, they certainly didn’t need the help. Finally one goes against the Pats and the sky is falling in. Teams should value their time outs and challenges. They are valuable commodities.

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    Please get to a community college, at the very least. The comments sections on these pages alone show how NE’s dominance and dismantling of the NFL is awful for business.

    Ratings have fallen because of it.

    Goodell was hired to try to find ways to weaken NE, including manufacturing trumped up charge to, yes, WEAKEN THEM, hence why he lied about Spygate and Deflategate.

    If he just randomly punishes NE for either minor infractions or no real infraction at all (Deflategate), it looks like he is cheating, which of course, we find out AFTER, that he was.

  111. Pretty ironic that patriots fans are saying focus on the facts. That’s what everyone is doing and because you idiots refuse to read the writing on the wall, you automatically go towards patriot jealousy even though THE FACTS YOU SPEAK OF show there’s something amiss here. You mean to tell us the most detail oriented organization in the league, maybe in the history of the league, was ignorant to the optics but doing nothing wrong? Get outta here. Said this before, you people are EXACTLY the same as trump apologists. “Everyone is out to get us, no collusion, nothing to see here, it’s the media’s fault”. Deflect, deflect, deflect. The only people that buy that are patriot cult members, period, everyone else is looking at the FACTS. Sure, the haters will only point to the facts if it supports their narrative (same as you) but there are plenty of non-objective fans/observers who see right through this and think/say “same old patriots” because you fools, your owner, your coach, your QB, your president are all liars & cheaters. But hey, you know the patriots motto “worried you can’t beat em? No worries, cheat em”

    FredLynnFan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:37 pm
    Tylawpick6 has the best comment on so far:

    “Again, any NFL team could literally buy a ticket to a game and ask that spy person to sit in the stands every week with a cell phone from one of the bottom rows and just shoot that kind of footage. Why would you do it right in front of their own people in the press box?”

    People want to believe the Pats are cheating so they look for any material to support that narrative. If the Pats were really trying to cheat they certianly wouldn’t have tried to do it the way it went down. They wouldn’t have notified the Browns for one thing. This is some clueless video production guy doing his own thing. Does anyone honestly believe Belechick would be so concerned about the 1-12 Bengals that he’d resort to this to beat them?

    Try to take the hatred out of it and focus on the facts.

  112. Wow. The Patriots’ fans are all blowing their gaskets today. Maybe they should read the rules of online civility and figure it out.

  113. Unless there’s direct evidence linking this to Bill, which means Deflategate level proof isn’t good enough, than there’s really not a ton to do here anyway

  114. “Yeah I’m really focused on getting ready for the Bengals here.”

    Absolutely! I am certain that it is much easier to “focus” on today’s HD videos than it is to “focus” on those old VHS tapes with the tracking knob!

  115. 1westcoastfootballfan says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:57 pm
    First I don’t believe Belicheck at all that he doesn’t know what the crew that was filming in Cincinnati does. Whether or not they report directly to him, Belichek definitely knows who they are and what they do. Second, it is beyond me why he or the Patriots staff would do this. It isn’t about the Bengals, if they are taping signals to get an advantage, they are always doing it and they just got found out this time. But how does it help to tape hand signals? Coaches read off a call sheet on offense that goes to a radio in the QBs headset in his helmet. Are they getting defensive signals? Marshall Faulk still complains that the Patriots taped the Rams walkthrough, and I get why they would do that, but taping a staff’s hand signals at practice makes less sense.

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    Good lord….Please read books. Please sharpen your IQ. Do something!

    BB does not produce those episodes. It’s not “his crew”.

    It’s actually FAR MORE UNLIKELY BB did anything wrong based on numerous clues:

    1. Knowing his franchise is looked at differently and held to a different standard for ANY transgression, real or manufactured.

    The bottom line is, the Jets tampered with Manboos in January of 2006 and NE was annoyed by it.

    BB flipping the proverbial bird to the Jets the first chance he could after the 9.6.06 rule change by Goodell per Woody Johsnon’s demands, is nothing more than a conduct detrimental fine of maybe 100K like what Tomlin got.

    Translation? BB and the Pats know the NFL is looking for any excuse, which is how Pats fans knew Deflategate was fak on the heels of Brady himself telling Harbaugh to check the rulebook.

    The fact is, NE called into 345 Park Ave to CHECK TO SEE if it was legal to run those substitution packages, which appears to be preference by the league, but it’s really BB trying to avoid any isssue. Result? Deflategate to go after Brady, because it would be too obvious to go after BB again.

    Get it?

    2. This one here, smells..Smells. NE showed credentials, explained what they were doing, followed protocols, they are witness, showed no intent or deception and offered to get rid of anything they filmed to appease the Bengals.

    3. The film crew are NOT team employees so it’s unlikely they would take orders like what is being suggested AND/OR be willing to lie for their careers in that profession.

    At worst, NE is saying ‘we probably should have said something to avoid you flipping out”….They at least have acknowledged that which is more than enough.

    And now this……..

    Translation? BB or the Krafts would have had to have ordered this and I am just not buying it. BB is on record denying it, which should tell you all you need to know. There is no way BB is ruining his 20 year relationship with Kraft to undermine him over the 1-12 Bungles.

    He’s not going to risk his entire 35 year career in the NFL over something he deems 99th out of 100 in terms of preplanning going into a game.

    Sorry. Born at night, not last night.

    Have a nice day.

    This will be over quickly, with some stupid small fine to show the NFL is at least not aligning with Kraft (which is a crock of crap considering the past framejobs), and hopefully morons will read the facts and check into a clinic asap to treat their PDS (Patriots Derangement Syndrome).

  116. Listen to this moron, tyla. A patriot fan who’s actually using logic & holding on passing judgement until all the facts come out comments and you’re jumping up on your soap box because their logic (which actually makes sense to people with brains, unlike you) refutes what you WANT to believe. News flash, your team is a bunch of cheaters & you’re just as dumb as the people who blindly believe everything trump tells them to believe because you’re a sheep that’s unable to think for yourself and ignores the facts when they don’t support your narrative. Keep crying little baby. Hope you bought DVDs or have the patriots SB wins recorded because that’s the only place you’ll be seeing that happen again anytime soon, loser. Maybe the NFL can’t take away the SB wins from the patriots for cheating (even though they should), you dopey, gullible buffoons can’t take away the ASTERISK that follows Brady, belichick & the patriots franchise from now on. That’s why they’re not the GOATs, the GOATs (whoever they are) don’t cheat to win. Remember, the patriot way: if you’re worried ya can’t beat em, don’t fret, just cheat em

    tylawspick6 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:51 pm
    patriotwayrules says:
    December 10, 2019 at 1:43 pm
    Gotta say…….as a lifelong Patriot follower, wins and losses from their Fenway and Schaffer stadium days, IF this is true I have my take. First show us the tape and give a proper determination if cheating was or wasn’t determined. Secondly if it’s found they were cheating and were backed by BB and Kraft, I say blow up this whole organization. If it’s determined that it’s their second offense in the last 10 yrs or so I say, fire Bill, and force Kraft to sell the team. Blowup the team since Brady is just about done anyway, and start from scratch. As a fan if they cheated then I have no compassion for whoever is involved. They were warned very strongly years ago, and they of all teams should always be walking a fine line to not skirt any NFL rules. Finally I’d be done with this team if the allegations are true!!

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    No way you’re a Pats fan. Pats fans use intelligence, deductive logic and reason to come to a conclusion.

    If NE wanted to get away with hand motioning over a team, they’d buy a ticket for a person or persons every week on the road to use their cellphone to get it. Hence why headsets exists for offense and defense.

    very obviously, you’d have to shoot what the scout is looking at as he’s describing what he is looking for as a scout.

    Otherwise, you don’t have a show.

    LOL

    I mean, how did our country become so dumb?

  117. As someone without a dog in this fight it’s ironic to me that fans of the Steelers have such a strong opinion about this. I get other people being frustrated about the Patriots but you guys have just as many skeletons in your SB closet.

  118. The number of comments is why there will be a Patriots are cheaters story every year. More clicks than any honest reporting. Happened to politics also. Everything is garbage.

  119. Imagine 90% of the commenters here being on a jury. Most of this thread is a wholesale escape from reason, logic, fairness, and rationality.

  120. factschecker says:
    December 10, 2019 at 11:27 am
    They don’t use hand signals anymore.

    What advantage would taping a sideline have these days? I’m curious to what people think they are filming to get an advantage?
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    Plays are radioed in. When the play clock gets to 15 seconds the radio is shut off. Coordinators can make adjustments after that through hand and arm signals. Example, a blitz may be coming, or you wish to give a look of a certain play, but then change it to disguise it.

  121. First, it wasn’t a “Patriots videographer”, it was an outside contractor hired to produce their show entitled “Do Your Job.

    Second, who is the utter moron who thought it would be ok to film an opposing team’s sideline while working for the Patriots?

  122. To all you Patriot apologists saying that the spying doesn’t matter since it is the sorry Bengals they are playing next. Just remember, that excuse didn’t work for Nixon in 1972. Did he really need to break into DNC headquarters Watergate Hotel to beat McGovern? If getting caught was enough to sink Tricky Dick, the same fate should befall Brady and Bellichick. Book em Dano!

  123. A story from BusinessInsider.com written in 2015 said that the Patriots used a method similar to what may have taken place in Cleveland on Sunday in order to spy on teams:

    “Soon, advanced scouts would be sent to the games of upcoming Patriots’ opponents to film the play signals. The scouts would go undercover as media members, with media credentials listed under “Patriots TV” or “Kraft Productions” and were prepared with excuses of what to say they were filming if security asked.”

  124. Sam Von Schamm says:
    December 10, 2019 at 3:11 pm
    “Every now and then I’d get a sheet, one hour before the game, with a list of audibles for our opponent. I don’t know how, but they just showed up.”

    – Patriots LB Ted Johnson, 2005. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-02-21-competition-committee_n.htm

    When your LB admits you cheated, you need to stop pretending.
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    So what you’re saying is there no possible way to steal audibles legally? Ever?

  125. Sam Von Schamm says:
    December 10, 2019 at 3:11 pm
    “Every now and then I’d get a sheet, one hour before the game, with a list of audibles for our opponent. I don’t know how, but they just showed up.”

    – Patriots LB Ted Johnson, 2005. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-02-21-competition-committee_n.htm

    When your LB admits you cheated, you need to stop pretending.

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    That happens, can happen eveywhere in the league.

    In 2006, Miami’s players bought cbs audio from a cbs employee and miami shutout ne 21-0 in december of that year.

    The league said it was legal under Goodell.

    So, which is it? You are proving the point:

    All other teams who can harm NE are backed by Goodell, while Goodell scours the league for excuses to manufacture them.

  126. To those saying why tape the bengals. its because thats who they play this week.

    They have probably been taping their next weeks opponents all season its just this time they got caught.

    but not to worry, Roger will sweep this under the rug just like last spygate when he destroyed all video evidence.

  127. Sam Von Schamm says:
    December 10, 2019 at 3:11 pm
    “Every now and then I’d get a sheet, one hour before the game, with a list of audibles for our opponent. I don’t know how, but they just showed up.”

    – Patriots LB Ted Johnson, 2005. http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/2008-02-21-competition-committee_n.htm

    When your LB admits you cheated, you need to stop pretending.
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    Exactly how is that cheating? That is great freaking scouting. Please remember Spygate was in 2007. This is from 2005. There was not a rule in place where you can film from on the sidelines. Any tape before that is legit just as it is legit to film from certain locations today. I bet you think recording signals is against the rules. So sad.

  128. It’s difficult to not suspect fire being where there’s smoke. But, this is Belichick and the Patriots…been down this road before, so you have to wonder.
    That being said, if the Patriots need to spy on the Bengals to beat them they’re in real trouble. lol.

  129. NFL: How can we stop this Dynasty from ruining our league and precious parity.

    1) Severe fines and stolen draft picks for something not even against the rules at the time Spygate. Oh yeah and Destroy all the evidence as well. Goodell destroyed all Spygate tapes immediately giving Patriots no chance to appeal ruling.

    2) Severe fines and stolen draft picks for deflating footballs which many QB admitted they had done in career. Used different gauges to measure Colts and Patriots footballs. Rule book states 25,000 fine for equipment violations yet Godell stole draft picks and levied suspension of star QB 4 games trying to stop a Dynasty. Brady won 3 more SB after deflategate with so called approved NFL balls.
    Federal judge ruled deflategate a farce and lack of evidence. Goodell appealed change judge and magically the decision is different with same lack of evidence.

    3)Patriots admitted mistake and turned over tape immediately for this newest gate.
    If guilty why did they not try to keep tape or lie about it. If such a competitive advantage and cheating why are they struggling. Why not 13-0

    4) Football games are won and lost on field. After Spygate and supposed reason for winning why did they not lose ? They went 18-1 and almost undefeated season. After deflategate they use NFL approved balls and Brady played best of career and won 3 more super bowls AFTER deflategate.

    5) If not for Goodell the Patriots might have 8 SB titles.

    6) Lets see if another “gate” stops them from winning again. I bet not.

    7) Losers and Excuse makers do not win Super Bowls. Great teams do.

    8) This crap and the hater swill only motivate New England more.

    9) I am confident they will play very hard to win a seventh title.

  130. raiderbeer34 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:01 pm
    To those saying why tape the bengals. its because thats who they play this week.

    They have probably been taping their next weeks opponents all season its just this time they got caught.

    but not to worry, Roger will sweep this under the rug just like last spygate when he destroyed all video evidence.
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    We know this based on deflatesham.

  131. rfkimball says:
    December 10, 2019 at 4:23 pm
    NFL: How can we stop this Dynasty from ruining our league and precious parity.
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    To be fair the league is doing a darn good job without anything the Pats may or may not be doing.

    If it truly was as covert as a lot here would like to pretend do you think the Pats videographer would open allow anybody to view what was taking place? Why would anybody allow anybody to know about it if they truly knew it was illegal?

  132. camstinks says:
    December 10, 2019 at 12:36 pm
    I’ve been a Pats fan since 1975. I’ve suffered thru a lot, and I’ve celebrated many wins and 6 Superbowls, but my second favorite team has always been the Raiders. Today my favorite team is now the Raiders, and the Patriots are dead to me. You can’t defend this, and you can’t explain it away. After everything this franchise has been thru to even put yourself in that spot is unthinkable. Therefore I’m done… my Patriots flag is burnt and buried in the backyard it’s over… Go Raiders
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    Good riddance then. We’ll expect to see you back here multiple times a day whining and crying about the Tuck Rule.

  133. If you feel the need to “defend” the team you support every day , all day …… it’s time to get a life …… stop explaining to them how dumb you believe they are – cuz it’s you
    It’s sports …. that’s it – not that important
    YOU TYLAWSPICKS

  134. fireroger says:

    So what you’re saying is there no possible way to steal audibles legally? Ever?
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    No, I’m saying the Patsies cheated their way to those first three Lombardi’s, and that to everyone outside of NE, they have three legit titles. Congrats.

    We can keep going if you like. The ESPN article from 2015 is just devastating.

  135. tylawspick6 says:
    December 10, 2019 at 2:40 pm
    “Please get to a community college, at the very least”

    Don’t need to, have a Masters degree in computer science. How about you?

    I actually feel sorry in one sense for Pats fans. Pats with TB would be dominant – like the Colts would’ve been with Payton if he’d had a defense – no reason for them to stretch, bend, or break rules. In that sense, BB has done the fans a disservice. Unfortunately, Pats fans don’t have a balanced view of things where the Pats are concerned. Even you denied the Pats would ever bring in a cancer like AB, then your expressions sure did change once they did.

    BTW: No need for personal attacks in the comments sections.

  136. Notorious P.I.G. says:
    December 10, 2019 at 3:24 pm
    “As someone without a dog in this fight…”

    Mike Vick fan I assume?

  137. To all the Pats fans complaining Goodell is out to ruin them,
    He saved your legacy by destroying every shred of evidence found in Spygate 1 before they could be seen by anyone else.
    Whatever was on those tapes went well beyond what was disclosed.

  138. Super Bowl appearances and Record
    1985 lost to Bears
    1996 lost to Packers
    2001 *Film year
    2003 *Film Year
    2004 *Film Year
    2007 Lost to Giants
    2011 Lost to Giants
    2014 Deflate Gate Year
    2016 (Won) or Falcons choked.
    2017 lost to Philly
    2018 *Should have been New Orleans, whom would have scored 35-45 points
    2019 *Film Year

    Overall Wins-losses-Asterisks
    1-5-5 winning percentage .091

  139. What is it that people think was on those tapes? BB admitted to taping defensive signals. Was there something else they could glean. From those tapes that were destroyed. Now the clever types will retort, “ we cant know b/c Roger destroyed them. So I ask, what EXACTLY do the triggers think was on there? What dark magic would have been revealed? Must have been vital since BB already copped to taping, from 30’ out of position. The horror!

  140. Listen the Patriots apologists are paid to show up here or they’re simply not playing with a full deck, or both. The September 2006 memorandum was extremely broad and sparkling clear that the videotaping of opponents’ signals was expressly banned. If this wasn’t clear – if Belichick’s story were actually true – you know darn well both Belichick and Kraft would have fought this tooth and nail through the court system. Instead, Kraft was basically yelling his head off at Belichick and asking how in the world this happened. Because everyone who is not a die-hard Patriots fan understands that Belichick cheated.

  141. Eagles_Nest says:
    December 11, 2019 at 12:31 pm
    Super Bowl appearances and Record
    1985 lost to Bears
    1996 lost to Packers
    2001 *Film year
    2003 *Film Year
    2004 *Film Year
    2007 Lost to Giants
    2011 Lost to Giants
    2014 Deflate Gate Year
    2016 (Won) or Falcons choked.
    2017 lost to Philly
    2018 *Should have been New Orleans, whom would have scored 35-45 points
    2019 *Film Year

    Overall Wins-losses-Asterisks
    1-5-5 winning percentage .091

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    Dead on target! And by the way, go Eagles! I say the Eagles are going to take that division. 🙂

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